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i feel raph and mona’s relationship was the most appropriate one out of all the turtles.

I think the reason why Raphael and Mona Lisa's relationship works better than the others is that it's requited, they are both equally into each other instead of it being mostly one-sided.

I love how 2012 Shredder becomes more and more insane as the show goes on and even Splinter foreshadowed Shredder's downfall in Season 1 finale by saying: You have nothing but your hatred and if you defeat me you will have nothing. 2012 Shredder is kind of like Emperor Belos from Owl House

It is weird how obsessed this show was with shipping, but I love this season. The Super Shredder arc is my favorite TMNT story of all time.

I'd like to point out that Mona Lisa is voiced by Zelda Williams, and the fact that the daughter of one of the biggest goofballs to do voice work in the 90s was cast in two different Nick shows as the hardest of hardasses is funny to me.

0:12 "Holy crap, this show is a shipper's wonderland!" Star Vs. the Forces of Evil: Hold my Blood Moon.

The shipping is definitely noticeable, but I don't think it ruined the story. In fact, stuff like Raph x Mona does kinda help add depth to certain characters. I feel like compared to shows like SvTFOE, Netflix's Voltron, and She-ra, who's stories who drastically altered for the worst thanks to shipping, I think TMNT 2012 still managed to stick the landing with that amazing season 4 finale without it being affected by which main characters needed to be hooked up together.

That final battle between the turtles and Super Shredder will always be my favorite fight of the whole show. It was awesome seeing how both sides were holding NOTHING back. They were out for blood. And the fight between the turtles and Mozar is definitely my second favorite. That was a pretty intense fight too.

I really wish the TMNT shows would acknowledge the 2003 show in the "visiting previous turtles" episodes. I know the 80's turtles and the comic were important and all that, but I wanna see the one I grew up with get some love the same way the 80's show gets it

At least the Fugitoid is voice by David "The Tenth/Fourteenth Doctor" Tennant. And Mona Lisa in voiced by Zelda Williams. Yes, that Zelda. Stacked cast all around.

I kinda like how they NEVER dwell too much on a much younger version of the Turtles, April, and Casey that just left Earth forever just because

Even watching Splinter's death from the video alone felt emotional. I really like how they handled Splinter's character throughout the show compared to every other TMNT series.

Wish you brought up Leatherhead more, he was pretty important. He drowns Rahzar in the finale, which is one of the more disturbing deaths of a villain in a kid’s show. Also wild that the turtles leave fishface to suffocate to death (even if he did survive)

A few things to note: 1. In the first episode of season 4 you can see Leonardo extremely happy as with the space arc, he gets to live out his Captain Ryan Space Heroes fantasies. 2. One episode brought in the 2012 iteration of Armaggon from Tournament Fighters for the SNES as a hulking shark man with his armor that serves as transport. 3. The Neutrinos in this iteration are severely downgraded as they're essentially hunters that invade people's minds rather than hep cat teenyboppers. 4. Honeycutt did not give April the crystal, that would be the Aeons, a group of aliens that look like angels though without the sunstar crystal they transformed into hideous demonic aliens. 5. Remember Dogpound/Rahzar's former human self Chris Bradford, who was supposed to be a parody of Chuck Norris? Yeah, the producers parodied everything about him, including the foreshadowing cartoon. The late 80's cartoon, if anyone remembers it, was Chuck Norris' Karate Commandos. Nick's take on it was Chris Bradford and his 2 Ruff Krew. Heck in one episode Rahzar was watching the show looking back on his time as a human. 6. In the quarter finale episode the entire thing focuses on Tiger Claw and how he lost his tail, introducing us to the one off character Alopex, who, and I am not kidding on this, CUTS OFF TIGER CLAW'S ARM! 4 seasons down, one to go.

Damn, the shipping is so frequent in this show it overrid J's title for this entire retrospective.

A cool detail is that rahzar ends up dead in one of the final episodes and thats why he is not shown in the final episode alongside all the other mutants.

Making Karai's biological daughter really muddied the waters of the dynamic they were going for with Leo & Karai. Even after watching an interview involving the series creator, Ciro Nieli, which mentioned his reason to do so was to add another layer of drama to the relationship although I really think it could have been done without it. It was already good enough of a start with the opposing clans factor between the two, but instead we got the result of the most polarizing ship of the show. If it wasn't for that one detail I'd say it was a pairing done well.

Fun Fact J: At 16:03 when Splinter falls, hallucinates the Rat King, actually happened in the comics, specifically thr City at War arc. Although, it was much darker because of one moment.

Note: Rahzar was drowned by Leatherhead and died in episode 25

I’ll give TMNT 2012 this much. At least it’s use of shipping didn’t ruin the ending like Star Vs, or make the show a hilarious mess of tropes like Miraculous Ladybug

I really wish they'd done more with Shinigami.

"Well if you're into shipping, JOIN THE NAVY" ~J. Jonah Jameson 2019

I feel you glossed over the fact tha Shredder's beheading it's even more badass when you realize Shredder's helmet fused to his head, so Leo basically scooped it out before tossing it to the ground. _Also Honeycutt was voiced by freaking Doctor Who himself, David Tennant which I hope helped get him casted as Scrooge McDuck on the 2017 reboot.._

I mean considering they're teenage, its weird to me there wasnt shipping in earlier series, a part of being a teenager is romance. Plus 2003 had a lot of shipping with april and casey, which i didn't like. Raph and Mona's relationship definitely had a positive influence between both characters, compared to leo and karai, mike and his love interest and so on

It's an honor and almost surreal to be featured in one of your videos; I'm glad that info helped with your insight. I don't even remember why I chose Squidward as my name haha. Another great entry and I look forward to the last part. I'm curious to see how you'll feel about the actual finale we do get in "Raphael: Mutant Apocalypse." (at least it was intended to be in production order) I remember when it first premiered it was very...divisive in the TMNT fandom, though I'm not sure if the tides have cooled since. There's also a debate if it even is a canon finale, with several crew members having a completely different answer depending who you ask. That's a whole can of worms and headache in its own right.

So Mona Lisa was a reference back to the 87 series. There was a single episode where Raph meets a mutant salamander named, Mona Lisa, and they became friends over that episode. However, they weren't lovers and Mona never showed up after that as Playmates didn't want to make a girl toy as it was assumed little boys wouldn't like her. However she left a big impact as I remember old forums for the 2003 series hoped she would return there.

One thing that HAS to be mentioned is how the episode "The Weird World of Wyrm", is an homage to the 'Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go' episode, "Meet the Wigglenog" (The titular genie making a cameo on Honeycutt's screen). Don't know if you're familiar with that show, but if you know the program block Jetix, it was basically THE block original. Tl;dr, the plots are EXACTLY the same. Not just your bog standard trope episode that you see in every cartoon I mean beat for beat EXACTLY alike.

Splinter's death hit so hard. "And now Hamato Yoshi dies" was so cold

Personally I loved 87 crossovers in the 2012 series, idk I felt the 2012 respected the 87 turtles more than the 2003 series. The remix of the 87 theme was so good. Also Leo slicing Shredder’s Head as the scene turned into a comic book was so badass🔥

I adored the 2012 series when it came out, quickly becoming my favorite version of the TMNT and that was a me in late high school at that point, so I had grown up with the 2003 Turtles and with VHS of the 1987 Turtles. What I came to realize, especially after seeing reveal art for Rise/it's animation, is that each incarnation of the Turtles is going to just be a fun ride no matter which way you slice it. The only way to up it is to take the best pieces of each one and frankstein them together XD

I remember watching The War For Dimension X episode and being amazed as a kid with how much action they were able to fit in over 20 minutes

i think as a turtles fan im in a strange lucky position i saw the goofy 90s version as a child, the darker 2003 version as a teenager and the 2012 version in 2015 with my nephew

.... Wait, Mona Lisa in this version is the same species than the Newtralizer?! Wow.... that's actually kind of a cool piece of World-building. Personally my position regarding romance and shipping is simple: I see it as a tool for the story. It can be great if it helps flesh out characters, but if it doesn't, it can feel unnecessary at best and harmful at worse. In that case, i feel it's a bit more the last one, because Donnie's crush on April tend to become his defining character trait in screentime that'd be better dedicated to fleshing him out. The other shippings feel... well like you put it, gimmicky and not bringing much. In particular the fact that it seems to happen whenever a female character is introduced - again, Shinigami didnd't need Mikey to have a crush on her, he already had a love interest wiht Reinette.

Curious what you'll think about season 5! Despite how it lasted past the intended end, which usually doesn't work, I thought their idea of having basically a bunch of side stories instead of trying to continue the main plot was a good choice. Some of the arcs were better than others, but the overall concept was cool. I love the characters, so I'm happy to watch them do random side quests!

6:43 considering how this was a common theme for kid’s shows made in the early 2010s which coincided with Tumblr’s peak popularity I feel these ships were engineered to boost audience engagement and awareness. Espically given how bad Nickelodeon can be at marketing anything not named Spongebob or iCarly

I love Raph X Mona mostly because it doesn’t have any of the weird hangups from the other ships. Donnie X April is one-sided and tends to get really creepy on Donnie’s side and it’s kinda this weird cat and mouse thing where April may or may not be interested. It also tends to consume Donnie’s character when it arises which isn’t fun. Leo X Karai has the weird thing of them technically being siblings and also has that cat and mouse/ will they won’t they feel. Mikey x Renet/Shinigami are kinda flirty, but that’s it, neither ship really goes anywhere. Raph and Mona don’t really have any of these problems, not only do they both respect each other, but the interest is 100% reciprocated on both sides. I remember in one episode when she and her commander/boss are going to Earth she gets excited at the idea of seeing Raph and kinda fantasizes about him, and I think that was cute. For the whole show we’ve been seeing the boys fantasize about the girls who only show varying levels of interest, so it’s nice to see one of the ladies actually thinking of Raph in that way too.

The thing that is interesting with Season 5 is the plan was to have much more after Shredder’s Death, but Nick ended the show and basically let them do one last set of episodes while preparing for Rise of The TMNT. Thinking that people wouldn’t watch a show once they got too old

Now that I think about it, I never saw season 5 actually. This is probably where there was the Usagi Yojimbo episode. See you next time, J!

Ngl Mona and Raph just works for me. And it's more both ways so it's kinda cute and less groan inducing

Mona Lisa was a character in the 80s cartoon that the 80s Raph also had a crush on, but she was a mutant Earth lizard. At least, as far as I remember. Also, I wish the elaborated on this in the episode, but I think the past versions went on the same adventure their future selves just came back from, creating a time loop.

Season 4 is the best season of the 2012 TMNT imo. The space are was very good, better than 2/3rds of season 3 and 1/3rd of season 2, but the City at War/Battle With Shredder is the best arc from this show and the only flawless arc.

I don't hate shipping But like This show has every single main character have a romance basically And considering even the 1987 which had like 200 episodes didn't have every main character have a romance The 2003 only had like 1 romance which is just odd Just makes the amount of romance insane It doesn't remove from my enjoyment.. but like CHILL The worst part is when you realize it's probably the writers fantasy.... Now I'm not saying it is Just saying it probably is

The past selves do see their families again because of the time travel aspect and they need to go back in time so they can help themselves, it's a paradox.

Fun fact: after the supershedder and splinter fight on the roof in 4x25 splinter falls into a garvage truck and Casey then pulls the lever to squash him and says oops like in the 1990 movie, only it wasn't joyful

It was very cool seeing Lord Dredd and Mona Lisa make it onto this series. I was however disappointed in their version of the neutrinos. I wanted to see a new take on Kala but we got rock soldier looking guys instead.

The whole of the series was my absolute favorite when it come to the reimagine of the TMNT. I don't personally have much of the whole shipping aspects throughout the show for it didn't ruined much of the story and at the time I didn't know what the term 'shipping' really meant, I just thought it was cute and nothing much to go of it like other shows do. The Raph x Mon Lisa ship was something that happened before in the 1987 cartoon when Rapheal & Mona Lisa was a thing in that series so it was (to me at least) was a nice callback to that. As for the rest of the turtles I didn't so much mind it as much, like Donnie & April I thought it to be cute couple but the story with them is kinda cringe and Leo & Karai was also the same but being that Karai could be his sister in a way. Mikey & Renet I feel was more palatable for they have much in common and Renet didn't so much over stay the welcome. Aside from the season 4 in it's entirety was peak with bringing back the 1987 turtles and giving them justice in this than it did in the Turtles forever movie. And as well some episodes where they were intense and have fun scenes with them such as the closing climax with super Shredder & the turtles. Also side note: it's great to see easter egg callbacks from other TMNT properties such as the elevator scene from the Micheal Bay movie and Shredder falling into the garbage truck with Casey pressing the button to crush him from the 1st TMNT movie. Like I said despite some faults with the whole shipping and other aspects about this show, this was to me the best rendition to TMNT ever made. That is of course whenever you decide to do a retrospective on the Rise of TMNT which in my honest opinion blows the 2003 & 1987 series out of the water.

14:07 Yeah, that's a timeloop arc for you. It all just depends on how time travel and parallel worlds work in the settings physics. It seems like a semi-stable enough timeloop, with shredder's death being in the aborted timeline cut off from when the +6mon turtles arrive.

It really bothers me that the turtles never once defeated Shredder in a fight pre-mutation. That should have happened at some point. You have a point about Mona and Raph not being any better than the rest of the shipping but they were cute together.

I have a question for this season of TMNT: How did Splinter survive Shredder stabing him in the back while they were saving New York from the Triceratons?

The shipping in this show is my guilty pleasure. I loved it as a kid, and teens have crushes all the time. Besides I feel like mutants deserve some love, too. Also, I don't think Leo and Karai’s relationship was dropped but that could be my nostalgia talking.

Just heads up if no one told you yet but in the final season with the batch of episodes with the turtles in a madmax apocalyptic world, the ending of that story was actually supposed to final episodes of the final season. Ciro Neil (I think) said he wanted to make sure that no one could touch the 2012 version of the turtles so it couldn't be rebooted or come back with a new season. But when Nickelodeon found out what he was doing they took all the episodes of the season and rearranged all of them and advertised the final season as a "What if" season full of misadventures for the turtles.

For me, the 4th Season of this show was my favorite season. Sure, most of the space episodes did feel like a bit of a drag, but after the 2012 turtles crossover with the 1987 turtles, the show really picks up its game and keeps getting better. I loved almost everything else up to the end when they fight super Shredder. You are doing a great job man with these videos and I can't wait for what you think about season 5

I always like how leatherhead straight up murdered rahzar and its never talked about

Again, a really good video. I remember season 5 been the one with really interesting episodes. Like the creator were allowed to have fun with the story. (mad Max episode comes to mind) can't wait to see your take in this

Imo Season 5 has arcs and not so much an overall plot, although there is a standalone episode of Master Splinter that I think you're going to love. Amazing video

I JUST realized that Rise is the only animated show that didn't get a chance to over stay its welcome.

Would love to see "Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" after this

Don't forget the time travelling robot was played by David Tennant you know 10th doctor from doctor who

Gotta love how the 80s Krang in this show knew that destroying the Prime Universe would destroy every reality, as if he learned that from certain someone

0:07 I think the entire Nickelodeon company has been a Shipper's Wonderland ever since iCarly and Victorious.

Tmnt 2012 season 4 was a wild one but i love that they got the 80s cast back to return for the cameos in trans dimension turtles and lastly during the bebop and Rocksteady movie

I mean the fact that they are teenagers explain why the romance plots. We all know teen's hormones are all over the place so for me I see it as a natural thing for teenage turtles that act like humans (not ignoring that they have humanoid bodies) also act as regular teens with their hormones going crazy and falling in love quite often (or for some just thinking about sex and its implications)

I played Wanted Dead, and it was fun. It had cool, Gun/Sword Gameplay, I liked the Characters and loading screen was a treat. My Biggest Issue with Wanted Dead is that it was SOOOOO Short, I wish it was longer.

14:26 I’m pretty sure that was meant to be a sort of stable time loop. The past turtles basically go off for adventures in space with the Fugitoid still taking them back in time so that they can replicate their adventures that their future selves just went through.

The reason why Raph's relationship with Mona is considered the best of the 4 (and a half) is because it's the only one where they didn't start it off with some load of awkward crap. Donnie and April just kept going and going. Korai (i KNOW i mispelled that) and Leo are siblings, so they dropped it immediately. Mikey ends up falling in love with not one, but two characters he's had maybe 3 interactions with each.

I uh completely forgot about that two sets of characters thing that happened because of the time travel, I can’t believe they got away with just writing them off like that wtf.

Was very surprised to see the sponsor for this video as Wanted Dead was one of my favorite lower key releases this last year so happy to see it being promoted by one of my favorite content creators. Also yet another great look at Turtles media that I let pass me by, gives me a lot of inspiration to finally cut out the time to watch all the post 1987 series. I grew up on the original Turtles; had all the action figures, played all the Konami titles when they were new, and while I did sort of age out of them always kept at least one eye on whatever was going on but never committing. Discovered this channel when you were first doing the 2003 retrospective and were near the tail end of it, was the sickest I had been in years and during the time I took off work suddenly remembered being really interested in the couple of episodes of the show I had caught back when I was in college, and that coupled with all the recent gaming releases definitely rekindled my love for the franchise. Thank you again for reminding me that it's never too late to enjoy childhood passions. (Side note, also got me to give the Sly games a try and absolutely adore them, so yet another win for the channel).

I think you misunderstood the ending of the space arc. When the past selves went with Fugitoid, they’re doing a time loop, where they have to go back six months to save Earth from the Triceratons all over again. Then their past selves will do the same thing, and so on so forth. At least, that’s how I interpreted it.

I always found so ridiculous that the turtles had 6 months of training and still got bodied by characters they shouldn't get bodied by

Hey J's Reviews! Great to see another video from you! :) I guess there's just one more TMNT (2012) video left for you to talk about season 5. Are you also going to review Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, including the Netflix movie? I also wanted to know, do you take suggestions for reviews or is it just things you're interested in?

IDW is the shipper's wonderland So many ships, and they're good 🙏

How could you not speak about tiger claws hand?!!!

I kinda wish Shredder went in a different direction... Shredder was incapacitated by Splinter using a martial arts technique. Shredder would then be transported back to Japan to retrieve treatment. Using ancient herbal healing to undo Splinters technique. Shredder would then send his goons to find a hidden sacred relic. And afterwards, return to new york... Shredder would lay out a trap. And then challenge the Turtles one last time to see who is the better. The Turtles would get the upper hand, forcing Shredder to take a last ditch attempt to win. Standing under a device stockpiled with Mutagen. Shredder would first consume a powder. Then release the device, dropping the Mutagen onto himself. Shredder would then transform into a DRAGON; The Shredder Dragon. The powder with created from the claw of an ancient dragon from mythical times. Shredder Dragon would rampage throughout new york, while the Turtles would fail to stop him and be forced to retreat. Shredder Dragon and Splinter with Kari would face off. Splinter would get the upper hand but Kari would get injured. Shredder would then take more control over his Dragon form, being able to change into a Human Dragon hybrid. This would be called Dragon Shredder or Super Shredder. And allow Shredder to get the upper hand on Splinter. Splinter incapacitated, Super Shredder would change to normal Shredder, then kill Splinter. Saying he does not need his new power to finish off an insignificant sewer rat. When Shredder and the Turtles face off one last time. Shredder, Super Shredder, then full Shredder Dragon. In the end, the Turtles wound Shredder Dragon, causing Shredder Dragon to revert back to normal Shredder. Kari is there, and trying to finish off Shredder using the same insult he gave Splinter. But Shredder changes to Super Shredder and almost kills Kari. But is killed by Leo, saving her life. Leo earns a legendary rank of ninja for killing a Dragon. and the story of TMNT 2012 continues...

If i had a nickle everytime greg cripes and Ashley Johnston voiced love interests i have 4 nickles it isn't a lot but its weird it happened 4 times

14:07 if you really think about it, there's room to tell more stories set in the 2012 universe following this "plot point" of the past versions hoping along Fugitoid's ship. I don't know if the fifth season Tales of the TMNT is really canon or not, but in case it isn't we can get more stories (maybe more multiverse/time travel stories) of the past versions exploring new worlds, maybe still doing their own adaptation of Fast Forward and another run-in with the 1987 Turtles or elsewhere (hopefully the 2003 universe) within that multiverse. The past versions can just stay up in space forever because they don't come back. The show just ignores that. They can get lost into a time vortex or black hole and we can get a completely different sub-timeline of the Turtles April and Casey traveling in space? We can see them grow old and I would love to think April and Casey would interact with different variants of themselves from different dimensions like their 2003, 1987 and prime counterparts. But that's just my fanfic ideas brewing

I’m not joking when I say this everyone of the main characters other than splinter gets shipped

Loving the use of the Phoenix theme from up your arsenal when we're talking about the turtles in space

The shipping is what made me drop 2012 it just got really uncomfortable

I actually pretty recently learned that season 5 is supposed to be more of a "what if" series

I can't believe that tiger claw beats a army

Something that really annoyed me rewatching this show is Leo’s lack of a consistent arc. Throughout the show, he goes in solo missions, (especially season one and two) typically to either meet up with Karai or to try and save her from captivity. Many of these times the other turtles (especially Raph) will complain that Leo shouldn’t be doing that because they’re a team and Leo should put his trust in them to help when he needs it. Then Leo got separated from the group in the season 2 final and, while he put up an admirable fight, got beat within an inch of his life. After that, he was not only focused on being a better fighter to try and recover from his losses, but be a better leader for his brothers. This goes literally nowhere because Leo STILL goes out on solo missions later in the show (only one I can remember off the top of my head is the raid on Shredder’s factory near the end of season 4 with Karai and Shinigami). Even in the finale, it felt kind of bittersweet for Leo to ultimately beat Shredder on his own. The team dynamic doesn’t play a super pivotal role like it does in other iterations of the turtles (even rise did this better, just look at any big fight scene and they all contribute and help each other until the end). I still like Leo, but the fact that he just kinda reverted on a pretty decent arc leaves a sour taste in my mouth. This kind of applies to the other turtles as well, especially after vision quest, where they all learn something crucial to take with them but then just don’t hold onto that going forward. Except Raph, he was told to let go of his temper and be calm and focused when it mattered the most, and he did. He still got mad obviously, because temper can be a useful tool if aimed correctly, but I think going forward he was able to learn when to let his emotions take control and when to control his emotions.

And I thought Star VS the Forces of Evil had more shipping problems, But this show... Forgotten about that one.

Wouldn't the time travel be a infinite progression paradox. Where the turtles that left alway return to the battle, help win, leave with honeycome, go back in time, ect ect? It's honey all the way down.

Oh wow, I could have sworn I saw the entire series because I remember watching the Turtles stop the Triceratons and Splinter surviving. I swore that was the last episode of the series because I didn't see anything else after that and then Nick's next iteration started and I wasn't a fan of it. I guess the show took a hiatus after episode 14 then and I some how missed everything. So imagine my surprise by the end of this video. Kinda wished I wished I did watch the series again. I may just do that for season 5 as I for sure never saw that. Thanks for another great review J

the space part of this season is not easy to sit down and watch

2003 is my favourite, but i love the 2012 series too. And despite it being such a sad scene, when Splinter dies for good, it was a great addition to the story which is also something we havent quite seen in TMNT animated/live action history

I like how he ended the video and it’s about to be 9 p.m eastern time and I’m about to head out to a club 😂 it just fits

you are aware mona Lisa was a classic TMNT character from the 1987 show who was raph's love interest but she was a mutant salamander not an alien salamander

...they gave ice cream kitty a personality because he's voiced by Kevin. Eastman ...also from even the mirage days the turtles have had love interest.there wasnt a turtle to have a love interest with (except that awkward bit with leo and mona lesia in the LA show) because after all the different discussions peter was very much against a 5th turtle..thats why he left the LA show up to kevin and thats where there rift would start ....just a few examples across all the properties, Leonardo had lotus blossom,rapture,and Karai. Miley had trib,renet,kala,and Serilius. Donatello probably has the least with Jhanna both in mirage and in 03 and also april ...haha raphael had ninjara Mona Lisa in 2 separate series, alopex,Mezcaal...I don't think people who watch primarily the different toon series catch just how many things are a callback to all different the comic book runs..

I thought you would also talk about your thoughts on the origins of the Kraang in this vid. Since it's more explained here.

Raph and Mona are at least the only ship in TMNT who looks quite decent, unlike the other turtles

J dropping a vid reviewing my favorite iteration of the turtles, my favorite season of the show, and on my birthday? LFG

You're not going to bring up who professor Honeycutt is voiced by

Good use of the Starship Phoenix theme at 7:20, it works.

I loved this series but still haven’t seen S5, so looking forward to your next video

I think raph and mona lisa relationship is probably the best ship in the show. All the other ones didn't need to be there but this ship actually fits so well and it was awesome to see someone actually being able to chill out raph like she did and well she actually was a creture not a human so that does help. Also I believe that the reason why the creators did the whole shipping thing is because people at the time were losing there mind over it some not even watching the show just there for the shipping of the characters and I think the creators maybe saw that as something needed for the show to do good sense people focused so much on it.

I love that Mona is a callback to the '87 turtles of a character I also shopped with raph. I think she was only in one episode but she was cool

Mona Lisa did appeared in the 87 version and both her & Raph were in relationship. So it's nice that this show remembers it and guess the 12 version wasn't the olny series with an shipment. Speaking of which, the crossover with 87 TMNT & 12 TMNT was an heck alot better than the 03 TMNT ones. Sure. The budget wasn't amazing. But the way they handled the Turtles and bringing back the old cast back was an cherry on top and they remembered how the 87 versions were. There silly. But they ain't idiots and has some serious tones from time & time. Unlike what the 03 version did.

I’m just saying ahead of time S4 is the true ending S5 is just like a spinoff that’s unnecessary but still fun