The Pits really go to show how much of a difference changing just one move in a character's kit can make when it comes to clones. ...The Belmonts then show us that the change has to be a meaningful one.

I think a lot of incineroar’s moves are super underrated. They are very clearly held back by poor mobility but his tilts and aerials are very good at both comboing and killing when he does get in.

Honestly, I feel like Bowser's down smash is underrated a lot. This move is faster than Wolf's down smash, has similar range and kills about as early if not earlier. But, in terms of 2-framing, you're just always better with f-tilt, in terms of punishing, you're just better off with grounded up-b, and for killing, well, you're Bowser. You can kill with about anything at 80-90%.

I love Kirby’s nair so much. I didn’t think people would use it so little.

As a Robin main, I wish their down-smash got a fair bit more spotlight. When you’ve got the Levin Sword, it’s strong, covers both sides with a zap, sends at a pretty useful angle, and can chew through a shield if it’s already damaged or if paired with Arcthunder. It does suck that it’s on a pretty slow character, but like most down-smashes, it tends to be on the faster side, making it a pretty clear choice over Robin’s side-smash. I consider it and Up-Air two of their best moves for kills when the sword comes out to play.

The fact that all three Kirby characters are on this list makes me so happy

Everyone in the comments: *desperately trying to think of moves for their mains*

kirby's inhale is the most underrated move because his hats are funny

Little Mac's Straight Lunge is one of the most underrated moves in the game. Outside of being an amazing shield break punish, it's a low commitment ledge trapping tool as it allows you to punish roll, ledge attack, and neutral getup on reaction all in one move while allowing you to quickly cancel it in the event that they ledge jump or stall (you can even cancel directly into up smash). It also has 8% base heavy armor starting on frame 1, which lets Mac easily bypass the opponent's primary juggling tool in many relevant MUs such as Game & Watch, Palutena, Byleth, and Mythra. Of course, this is something that can be baited out, but just the fact that it starts on frame 1 is a huge deal that eases Mac's otherwise awful disadvantage state by forcing his opponent to respect the option. Nobody talks about Straight Lunge, but there have been many times where I've felt genuinely neutered while I had KO Punch because of how good this move is.

I'm not surprised no one talks about it considering most people barely remember Robin even exists, but Robin's jab is absurdly good. It comes out frame 4 with a disjoint, Jab 1 hits unreasonably high up (even onto Battlefield platforms) and sets up for the rest of the move, the Elwind finish does 18% overall and can be a kill move occasionally, the Arcfire finish is massive and kills quite early (especially at ledge, which is really powerful considering it's frame 4), and every other Arcfire jab is essentially free on durability cost with how Arcfire's durability works. Really, the only bad things to say about it are that Jab 2 has some issues connecting and that it costs durability, but those are rarely a problem. Also saw someone else mention it, but I'll also just quickly mention Levin Down Smash. It's not particularly fast, but it's Robin's strongest kill Smash (on the character with Levin Sword, remember), and it has a monstrous hitbox that hits all around Robin, even _above him._ It practically handles ledge trapping all by itself, and this is on the same character as Arcfire. It's also his best Bronze kill move, for... whatever that's worth. One other quick one, Min Min's Down Smash. Her Up Smash is the infamous one, but Down Smash is just as stupid; hell, it's even _faster._

I think Greninja’s grab is honestly kinda nutty. It’s frame 10 so it’s slower than most grabs but in return it has a ton of range, particularly the pivot grab being slightly slower than most grabs but insanely huge. Seriously look at the hit box if you haven’t. Plus it has about as much end lag is most regular grabs. It was basically a slightly slower version of Palutena’s pre nerf grab since it has such a large grab box. On top of that he has a great early combo throw into his up air which is kind of his entire game plan and leads into his ferocious juggling or drag downs into jablocks. I’m not sure if people talk about how good it is but I think it’s really under appreciated.

"Quite possibly the best jab in the game" Chroy: >:(

Rosa nair. -that shit covers her entire body -late hit has smash 4 hitstun -one of the most consistent combo starters even on very late percents

Dr. Mario's N-Air is quite an amazing move that isn't talked about a lot, even after it got buffed in the Byleth patch. It kills, it edgeguards, combos into grab at low %, and sets up for jab resets. This move does a lot of stuff and it's weird that people rarely talk about it.

Always a pleasure to see my boy Lucas getting some love. Great job on the video overall man!

As someone who uses Kirby, nair is one of my favorite sleeper tools. So many people don't realize just how nasty of it can be, especially with how the patches made it more potent.

Another one of mii swordfighter's moves is really underrated; down tilt. The move is really fast (f5), combos for quite a while and sets up for platform tech chases, is pretty safe on shield, and the ENTIRE ANIMATION lasts for 19 frames, which means that before the opponent can even realize you used a move, it'll already be over.

I feel not enough Dededes use his up tilt. It’s surprisingly strong and is much faster and easier to use than his up smash. A good quick combo I like to do is nair to up tilt on low percentages

I feel Zelda's up tilt is quite underrated. When talking about Zelda, most just talk about her down b and maybe her forward smash. However Zelda's up tilt is insane as well with a massive hitbox, great combo potential, low startup (frame 7) and the back hit can kill confirm and is relatively safe on shield.

I found out how gross Isabells jab was a few week ago! I usually used it to troll my friends when I played as her, but then I discovered how many combos you can after it and now I’m banned from using it. Another move id say Is underrated is King K Rolls side b, the amount of damage you can get from a good throw is nutty.

Finally some recognition for Isabelle's jab. Such a unique and useful move!

I would absolutely love to see a sequel. Here's some algorithm food since I couldn't think of anything better

I'm also a Shuriken of Light defender. Given how reactable and punishable Gale Strike and Chakram are, the option of quick chip damage is nice. I suppose the close hitbox not flinching is to prevent it from true comboing into anything, since it has lower end lag than many projectiles. If you space it right while approaching in the air, though, it can true combo into F-air or U-air, which can kill.

One move I think Is really underrated Is samus' bair. It kills super early, has a lot of confirms into It (chargeshot, dair and d-throw) and Is soooooo satisfying to land

Glad you finally gave Lucas f-tilt some love; it's exclusion from even an honorable mention in your "Best Moves" list was criminal. FWIW Lucas's fair is even better than f-tilt (and *certainly* better than Mewtwo's fair) since it's better at killing and comboing off the sourspot, but has the benefit of being mobile.

Sizzle. Sizzle is a good move and nobody really talks about

Bowser Jr's up air is crazy. For an aerial designed juggling it's damage output is very respectable and it's speed let's you combo it into itself at lower percents. The back hit of the move is especially is great for this. Not to mention how many ways Jr has to set up his up air chains like Up throw, Clown Kart Dash and even falling Up air. You can eat a solid 50% from this move at the start of a match which is wild to think about.

Lucases f tilt is amazing! Great list man! Edit: also Mario’s fludd is a great move and I agree with it being on this list

Another great video! I think for a sequel I’d have to nominate bowser Jr’s cannonball. I don’t think it’s nearly as good as the other moves in this video but after seeing players like Ketchup use it to edge guard or make room for a safer recovery I definitely don’t think it’s among the worst projectiles in the game like a lot of people say it is. Maybe this is more of an “underrated move” rather than a good one but I think it’s an interesting move regardless

All of Kirby’s tilts are very good

Not sure if it’s well known or underrated, but… Samus’s Up Tilt While it doesn’t Meteor like Falcon’s, which looks similar, the sheer power it deals on aerial opponents never fails to cause a “WAIT THAT KILLED!?” response to a lot of players who get hit by it.

Seeing Dedede with his mouth agape just whizz on screen with no warning made me feel inexplicable things.

I think some Zelda moves are forgotten. I first think specifically f-tilt, up b, and all of her aerials. I don’t know if these moves aren’t talked about since I’m not extremely involved in the smash scene, although, I believe most people remember her for phantom and little else.

I think gannons jab is super underrated in his kit no one talks about how good of a get off me took it is

tbh fox down air is super underrated, a frame 8 out of shield option that consistently gets combos, sets up for kill conforms, all while rising instead of just landing.

Great video as usual Mock. Some interesting choices, a few eye openers like Meta knight. Lucario's Aura Sphere was the first move I thought of. Charge "fireball" moves are nothing unique to Lucario, nor is the wavebounce movement and maneuverability. What is unique to Aura Sphere is the active hitbox while charging. Lots of shenanigans there including shield break set ups; a good excuse to talk about Aura Sphere. Incineroar has plenty of worthy moves, as pointed out by another commenter. Incineroar has tons of actually great moves, with the sole restrictions being his mobility. Suplex on Mii brawler is kinda disgusting. 22% in a one on one when not stale. But a funnier move for content would be his counter throw. Specifically if you showcase it working on moves like Puff Sing and Banjo Wonderwing. And my last suggestion is Hero up special. Even after the last year or so with it being used more by hero mains, I still think it's a great OUt of shield option on top of a funny ledge guarding move. Have a great day Mock!

Samus zair alone makes some matchups like 70% +. The other move I can think of is min min's grab. While it is slow, knowing how to use it is a requirement for min min, as it catches landings she cant cover with arms without getting punished for swinging arms into a shield while being too close.

Hero's up b is easily one of the most underrated moves in the game, and easily his second best special after Menu. People usually think of how early neutral and side b kill when they think of his specials, but woosh carries his entire kit. It's a frame 7 oos that gives him really good positioning freedom afterward which makes it a great escape tool, it can combo into kill setups on platforms in some maps, and LSK sets up a really difficult to deal with edgeguard that kills extremely early

Ike's ftilt is definitely underrated. It has great horizontal range, high shield pushback and good shield damage, and can be impossible for almost every character to whiff punish or punish it out of shield-Ike can often get another ftilt out before the opponent can reach him. It's also decently strong and can be a good kill option, especially in a ledge trap scenario.

I think Bayonetta’s up and side specials would be broken on any other character or if Bayonetta just had killing aerials. You need both to really make it work, but it would just turn into a repeat of Smash 4 and they’re great recovery tools as well.

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Gunner Fair, it basically doubles her movement speed and horizontal recovery

I'm kinda surprised I never see anyone talk about Banjo's Breegull Blaster. I know it's largely due to his lack of representation, especially at higher levels where the move finally starts to see more use because of its complex nature, but it's such a vital tool in his kit, helping him close gaps, start and extend combos, and even net kills as early as 60% once you've mastered the KFC tech and all of the wild confirms it opens up

Banjo’s down tilt is secretly his DLC move.

K. Rool's Blunderbuss is a move that deserves more recognition, being a great neutral tool allowing him to approach, a combo starter at low percents, sets up mind games, and comes with a free command grab.

Hot take: Ganons nair is one of the best in the game. It’s huge, does 24 damage out of a full hop 18 out a short hop, kills, aka active for 20 frames, and huge

keep up the good work man, your videos are entertaining, super distracting (in a positive way), most videos can't really grab me but there is something special about yours move recomendation for sequel: ike's dash attack. this move is a beast and i dont really see enough people talk about it and mostly his recovery gets the attention but MAN when you are facing an Ike player that is good he can just deny your stock from even existing AT 70% god that move is busted.

I'm glad to see Marth dancing blade get some recognition.

Hero's Zapple is really underrated imo. It does around 20% damage, covers so many get up options, isn't a projectile and has range beyond believe.

Sheik needles - they double as a long range harassment tool, incredible combo starter or extender into kill confirms, and their disgusting angle is amazing for edgeguarding (mostly carried by bouncing fish but needles would be great on any character)

Awsome video! Nice editing and topic. And yes the glasses look great on you

Mewtwo's jab is Crazy good! It does more damage than most of his combos.

mii brawler soring axe kick 1 it can kill at 0 with no effort 2 it is a fast out of shield option 3 it is rally big 4 it is vary good for recovery

Great video, I definitely don't regret subbing to ur patreon! Love these early acces videos

Nice vid! Can always expect quality from you

Thank you for mentioning mk down tilt and Mario flood - those moves are crazy. Really good video, I’d love another like this!

Bowser Jr's Up Air is one of the most underrated moves honestly good range + disjoint FAST really good combo potential + combo damage Do i need to say more

Mewtwo rapid jab. It does like 40% or if you're on a platform it does 70% and if you're on yoshis slants it does 120% this is with SDI btw. Also, in my opinion, mewtwo has the best charge shot in the game. It does more than samus' in just about everything. It deserves far more credit. Buff mewtwo grrr

Forget this video, your content is ALWAYS fantastic! I love how you employ the analytical, educated style, even when talking about "less serious" things like animations! I've loved every piece of content you put out, and I expect I'll love more in the future! Have a good day!

Wolf’s down tilt is slept on most people would rather use f tilt at ledge but down tilt sends at a nasty angle too Also trips at 0 and combos into a lot of his other moves. Wolf has a lot of good moves and people dont use down tilt as much as the others.

Yes finally someone mentioning Kirby nair, when I wanna meme on people I used to just use Kirby nair and it worked way too well…

Pac-Man's Down Special. it's insane how well it controls the stage, to the point it can win you matchups all by itself. I can't really say anything in Pac's kit overshadows it but with how versatile it is, especially in tangent with Bonus Fruit, it feels a bit strange that I don't see more about it. Edit: I know that hydrant is talked about and used a lot by Pac players. but there isn't a lot of talk of it outside of those players, and how much the move is used by the character doesn't seem to matter in this context, at least, in my eyes.

As an isabelle main, I gotta say- yeah. Her jab is crazy good. It's super easy/reliable in jab locking (which she gets a lot off of), the wobelle exists, it combos into things when not on ledge, etc. It's just really, really good.

This was an amazing video, your descriptions pertaining to the usage is immaculate.

Incineroar's down tilt is SO underrated! Combos, two frames into kill moves all while being invincible!

Recently I've been playing toon link and it's real fun to just do grounded up-b to punish rolls for a free 15/20%

Can I just say, I’ve always been a fan of the intro music, but it sounds like when you updated to the new intro you added some electric guitar riffs-and they’re awesome! Always hyped for a video when I hear the new intro

Wolf’s down tilt is well overlooked because of his monster forward tilt, but I find it a reliable trip mechanic into a free grab or smash attack at low percentage and a good poke on shield.

Another underrated move for me, a Greninja main: Greninja's shadow sneak is very good. It's easy to guard against if you know what you're looking for, but if you know how to mix it up it can just be straight up an Uno reverse card. My favorite use is bypassing big projectiles for a surprise ko, but its recovery use is equally great. It has stupid horizontal range (and you can still hydro pump after that) and can completely flip the script against edgeguarding, allowing you to get behind them in midair. Mixing up shadow sneak and hydro pump can help you avoid most edgeguarding. With the right timing, you can use it to get midstage where people attack from. In midair it doesn't have the shadow indicator on the ground, so it can very suddenly end a match. It's also not bad as a repositioning tool, though the animations are a bit slow.

Isabelle secretly top tier

That voice for the ad read was amazing.

Finally, someone who won’t be surprised when Kirby nair kills

As a wii fit main, I’m surprised not many people talk about her nair. Its -4 on shield, combos to hell and back, has a first hit that combos later than both, is a multihit that is harder to parry, it has it all. The hitbox isn’t even bad, its a very stupid move.

Kirby’s F-air is underrated in my opinion. It can combo, edgeguard, kill confirm, and has pretty good damage. It’s like a Swiss Army knife

I switched to melee fully around 9 months ago, but you’re practically the only Ultimate content creator I still watch because the quality of your vids are so high. Entertaining, informative, and well edited. Nice job as always

I love shuriken of light cuz it conditions the opponent and has fun properties not seen with moves like Falco lasers but honestly it needs less lag/more hitstun so you can do anything with it as the incredibly slow Mii Sword

I hope Isabelle gets buffed in the next patch, she has so many cool thing and i would love to see people using her

Based Isabelle placement

I feel like lucario’s down air is heavily underrated. Is great for edgeguarding, can stall your landing and comes out frame 3 so can be a good out of shield option if . It’s also a pretty good kill move if you’ve got enough aura and can be comboed into from aura sphere charge. It’s only problem is that the second hit sometimes doesn’t hit if used out of shield, but you can actually get a super janky kill confirm if you buffer a side B when it doesn’t connect.

I think Ridley's Plasma is a heavily underrated move. While it doesn't control neutral as much as other projectiles (something the rest of Ridley's kit already covers), when you're given opportunities to charge it, it becomes one of the most oppressive projectiles in the game. To speak nothing of its edge guarding capabilities, where the move really shines, the move also allows massive zone breaking both on hit and on shield. It also forces opponents upwards onstage, which is where Ridley wants opponents 90% of the time. It can even combo into a lethal dash attack when used appropriately.

I'm so glad Lucas' f tilt is in this. I love his f tilt and fair.

I want to thank you for giving Dark Pit's arrows some credit. He is my main too and doesn't get enough love. Also Pit nair is a great move too.

So very random praise but I actually like that you use costume when you show of something technical to drive a point. It makes it a little bit less alienating and a lot more interesting to look at. Keep up the good work!

Good series, keep them coming!

This list was more of a “lets talk about moves on characters you don’t see much” rather then a “underrated moves tier list” i don’t think anyone is calling any of these moves bad or seeing them in negative light they just don’t get talked about due to lack of representation with the exception being Mario.

I genuinely think that there are a lot of broken projectiles. One being hero Kaboom. It's broken. I think it's the best one in the game. Zelda phantom its just so good. Shadow flair is so good I think. It does everything and more. And finally, mecha koopa. It just doesnt work for bowser jr. These are just the underrated ones on my list.

If you ever make a follow up video, I think dk's hand slap (down b) is amazing. I don't know if underrated but I don't see it talked much for a move on the ground can easy tech chase, lead to combos and kill confirms, break shields, safe on shield, and has huge range. In the air it's even better, as a -4 on shield move, kill confirms and combos, a long lasting spike, b reverse for good mix ups, and leads into grab which is what dk really fishes for. I like the concept of this video for bringing light to less known moves that are really good.

Falco down tilt is pretty underrated. For a move that as universal as a swiss army knife, I hardly see other Falcos using it. It combos, it kills, it's safe, it shield pokes, fast, 2 frames, kill confirms, good damage, decent range, and spammable, but no one really uses it that much. Sure, up tilt is more rewarding and nair, dair and fair can all lead to kills more often, but when the opponent is stuck in shield at 140% and nothing combos anymore, down tilt becomes one of the most important moves in Falco's arsenal.

I'd love to see a follow-up video featuring more underrated moves from Bowser Jr., Robin, Corrin, and Incineroar. Great work as usual, MockRock!

In my personal opinion, Donkey Kong's areial down special is one of his best moves, and additionally finds it's way into, what is my opinion, the best spiking attack in the game. It's relatively quick start-up and sizable hitbox are already nothing to scoff at, but being a special move also allows for the ability to B reverse and turn around, something no other spike in the series can say. It's utility for specifically Donkey Kong is unparalleled among his specials and potentially even some of his areials as well, giving him access to kill confirms, edge guards and even just a movement option when trying to land. Great move all around.

Finally someone is talking about shuriken of light! I usually always use that move for mii sword fighter

Hero’s forward and back air, they are a bit slow but legitimately strong with decent tech for back and basic combo for forward potential, so crazy range, just kinda, a praypaint area one side of hero, all of which do incredibly strong range and low enough landing lag to be incredible when spaced on shield. They may be part of a core hero weakness, but oh god do they have some big strengths

Very informative. I actually learned a lot. Thanks!

This dude really puts a lot of work into his videos. One of my favorites is in the big moves video when he uses Luigi for the down throw into skewer.

Here I'm just gonna point out some super underrated moves for the superheavies. K Rool's F-tilt is super underrated, while it isn't fast as other F-tilts it has belly armor on the frames where he isn't attacking, the move packs a severe punch, and the move is huge. I also think that K Rool's crown can set up ledge traps and combos. King DDD's Gordo is incredibly useful. It sets up combos and ledge traps, the move is pretty strong on it's own, and it stays out really long. Ganon's aerials are so powerful, and I'm mainly talking about back air. While it's range is nothing to write home about, the unusually fast speed and the very, very powerful move itself make it a really good move.

I would love to see you do some videos with less specific smash, or even some lists for like rivals (I know smash is better cause there is just more), your videos are genuinely great, and as long as sponsors are still willing to sign on to a non smash only video, me and I think a lot of your audience would love to see more of your horizons of work!

Comment: I may be a bit biased here but I will say Mewtwo’s fair, and down b, as well as incineraroar’s down b Mewtwo’s fair is spam-able, has incredible KO power, and is a combo tool, has decent range, safe on shield. It can combo out of shadow ball, another great move, and it makes for good follow ups as well. Down B: it’s a fast move, it’s intangible for a few frames, it stuns, if you catch your opponent of guard (which will happen semi-frequently) your opponent basically gets KOed by down smash at 65 Incinaroar down b: it’s a fast counter, doesn’t have much lag for a counter, and if you build it up enough you get basically a free 70% from side b which can go through shields. I have a few other moves to mention as well G&W fair: it’s overshadowed by up b, dtilt, bair, and other moves. What’s funny is you can set up a fair into a side b and potentially get an instant KO off the 9 Mii Swordfighter Nair: this is seriously one of the best not projectile ledge trapping moves in the game in my opinion. You can spam it, it has decent range, lasts a long time, and often it covers quite a few options Mii Swordfighter Gale Stab: if you run shirakin of light, you can pick this move up. Incredible horizontal recovery, great burst option, decent damage, and it’s chargeable. Mii swordfighter burning blade: call gale strike op all you want but this is basically Mii swordfighter’s version of flashing Mach punch, it deals great damage, it can be turned around. It’s overall a solid move, don’t count it out Plant side b: it gets great praise already but here is the catch. You can grab someone while they are inside the fully charged cloud, you can pummel them and when the poison goes away you can throw them, deals massive damage. MK nair: it’s a strong KO option, combo tool sometimes, and it’s pretty fast. Overshadowed by up air and bair which are also great moves

loved the video man! i’m not super clued up on the competitive scene so i have no clue on whether it is underrated but i think incineroars neutral b is a lot better than people give it credit for. despite its end lag it stalls in the air which helps with his otherwise piss poor and very predictable recovery and is also a great and often unexpected kill move, even when landing. however because it is laggy much like the rest of his move set it’s practically comes with people not expecting the move coming so if it becomes not underrated it’s utility would probably go down lol. also it’s on a slow and immobile character so it’s held back by that a lot

Great video man! I main inkling so I don't have any underated moves to request. Except maybe neutral be for it's mix up and gimping potential

Another amazing video! I can’t see any criticisms. Amazing sponsored segment that got me purchasing it within 15 minutes, incredibly put together points that I agreed with, and the editing, script and music is all just amazing! I’m astonished that you don’t have more attention than you already do!