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Pro Tip: TJ's Organic ketchup is the same as most grocery store's brand of organic ketchup. I used to work in a factory that made it.

Kudos BB, maybe the best (non rote) AM interview (I've seen)... Well done, gentlemen!

As a vague follower of both of you, I honestly thought you guys were the same person before this. There's certainly a strong resemblance.

My pre ordered copy should be at the post office now.

Hi Ben, This is another interesting discussion. 👍🏼 I really appreciate how you introduce thinkes that we might not be so familiar with.

"Return to Crossbow" 🤣

But why did you post a picture of yourself twice.

To get a more detailed answer to “Isn’t Christianity kind of Revolutionary?” You should talk to Fr Turbo Qualls of The Royal Path Podcast. He’s a black Eastern Orthodox Priest serving in Inner city Kansas City

You two look almost exactly alike dress exactly alike, and have the exact same soft voice. Kind of uncanny imo

13:00 What is the left?

Are you going to introduce the cat to us? I want to meet the cat…

29:47

He should have called it the absolute state

TLDR: touch grass. And that goes for the kitties as well.

Right-wing Ben meets Leftwing Ben

I want to see their board game shelves.

If the state is total then why/how does it keep growing?

Outlaw Star

ASMR at its finest.

The frat bros are ideological, they said they were for their home country of israel.

I think Christianity is the somewhat linguistically archaic, codification and representation of a set of bundled group traits.

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I am noticing some sartorial similarities here, gentlemen.

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Yay Auron!

Man I envy people on the right's sense of tradition and purpose, and I agree with so much about the overreach of government that the modern left largely encourages and demands, but there is just no way your average secular joe is going to give a shit about this neo-Christian future so often projected. Despising the left can cause people to not despise Christianity, but all I ever hear from the religious right as an argument is variations of 'It's right because it says so.' I say this as someone quite sympathetic to Christianity.

I think Ben's q's about how far back can you go until conservatism's roots are revolutionary or leftist point to the kind of human universal ethics that Auryn wants to deny but cant deny in my opiniion.

Will be good to catch up with Auron. Mr. Benjamin gets +250 Purr credits for using "vicissitudes" in a sentence 🐈

I always make this point, but yes, the functional, federal apparatus of government doesn't "value" anything, at least not in the ways and complexities described in this discussion. (It's perhaps a broad composite of some shared values to some extent, for the sake of mere practical utility). That would only reliably happen if we all lived in villages, fully autonomous communities in a small world. It's not up to the government to primarily emphasize a rich patchwork of culturally derived, interconnected values. It's up to the groups and individuals through the course of their own lives, interactions and traditions, (who are protected during wartime and minimally/moderately governed during peacetime BY this malleable, effable superstructure,) to retain or remake, their own values, sense of meaning, local cultures, etc.

We have fifty states, that leaves fifty different places where people from different ideologies can vote with their feet to self segregate if the federal government collapses. If we can’t learn to live with each other we can live separately.

35:00 why does art have to be political at all? The framing of the answer is just wrong. Yes, the Byzantine _EMPIRE_ built the Hagia Sophia. It wasn't built out of a sense of altruism or art for the sake of beauty.

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43:35 This whole part is rly good by MacIntyre. As a non-believer, I was using the Church/State dichotomized construct from a secular perspective, to delineate the nature of group-level social engagement for particular individuals, in a "multicultural" society (in previous channel comments). The crux was, this notion of Church by its very nature has narrower scope and deeper roots, and State vice versa. It's important that a large society have both, but I also posited that Church (which as MacIntyre articulates well, is necessarily specific and distinctive in its local incarnation, Douglas Murray also makes this point well,) must usually correspond with groups of ppl who have been present in a community for an extended period of time, and might typically be a particular ethnocultural group, or combination of a few groups. In contrast, I reffered to new immigrants as an example of persons who would not immediately have the depth of cultural belonging implied by Church, and might be (at least temporarily) more oriented toward the pseudo-culture of State. It's possible that this is necessarily a transient stage, in a functional society, and demands too much of State, although I previously made a somewhat different argument related to this topic, incorporating a few other variables. That previous analysis involved, in part, a suggestion that human gene expression may be suppressed in a novel environment, until/unless the depth of local familiarity necessary is established to shift toward the Church polarity, additionally the most adaptive perceived position on the continuum at a given time, might inherently denote a feeling of "meaning" via proper "alignment," perhaps definable in this case as niche adaptation.

I love listening to these stwm wasps discuss their concerns because, ironically, we don't hear their perspective much in the main stream.

WASP doesnt exist as a meaningful distinction. Austrian,German, English, Gypsy, Spanish, Sicilian, etc are meaningful distinctions

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16:48 Fair point, I think we're simply united by "small c" conservatism, I'm gonna gather us all together, I'll call it the ARC Conference (lol).

Lol nice, I can haz board games?

clash of civilization nonsense uggh

The absolute state of booking

There's nothing here. We can't even arrive at a functional definition of Left and Right and that was the part of the conversation by the half way mark that almost got somewhere.

We don't need people to kick in doors we just choose to use them for political reasons

I'm a moderate, who's been sort of lurking in the online right space for a while. The thing is, Auron's just not correct, specifically in that de-globalization will see enormous profit and re-shoring of manufacturing/industry for the US, beginning within the next decade. You can't say it's not working at all, and that it isn't going to work. Geopolitically and economically, the future, and near-future, are very bright for the US. (Ppl will benefit from these developments, enabled by more/less the existing system). Also, it seems ridiculous to suggest that the ideas established in the nation's founding, haven't been largely retained, and recapitulated periodically over the decades and centuries. It doesn't make sense to reduce the founding charter, to the exact policies that were in effect at the time. (That's a straw-man). The justifiable criticism involves a civil society push for a healthier culture. This seems more in line with Benjamin's ethos (which is probably one reason I like this channel) and involves a brand of localism, that stops short of a fundamental critique, and total restructuring of the nation. Regarding Benjamin's position specifically, I don't mean to project my own opinions: as far as a "total restructuring of the nation," he questions ppl on this often, and seems interested in the subject, and possible alternatives along these lines. But from what I've heard, while he recognizes and explores some core challenges of our system, I have yet to hear anything amounting to a total repudiation of the foundations of liberal society. *Catz rule.

This guy is off base. Maybe others will pick up on that. If you really need a place to start noticing, his discussion of the US founding documents around 10 mins should make it clear.