Unfortunately I can't argue with you on any of that. They have chilled out now, but I remember seeing GR Corollas sell for $20,000 over in Ontario

I do hate that you maybe very well correct in saying, this won't leave Japan. Would be a sham3 of that's true. As for dead contenders? Gazoo Racing has made some bangers. I like Miatas, but let's see what's up

@@metalheadcarshow769 Tell how this Suzuki competes with the MX5? Looks are in the eye of the beholder, but this thing is fuck ugly. Will it be cheaper than MX5? Will it out perform it? Never mind the fact that the Mx5 has a cult 35 years in the making. If this car came out 25+ years ago, then maybe it would have a chance, but not in this market. Plus how many bangers does Toyota have if you don't count the BMW and Subaru? I guess that new Prius looks kinda cool

​@KidNato as mentioned in the video. The sfr won't be using the suzuki drive train. So we can't look at it from that angel. And The miata has a massive cult status, even if the toyota is amazing it won't be able to break that. And I'll count things like the GT86, And Supra. But those 2 along side the GR corolla and GR yaris? Banners.

I like the term out Miata a Miata. But perhaps give great composition

We shall see

I agree. Miata has nothing to worry about. lol.

@@metalheadcarshow769 Dude, if that SFR things looks like it does in those old promo materials, then I won't even look at it. ND Miata is a GREAT looking spots car. Every time I see the RF, I think "dude, if I were rich and could have every toy out there, I would effing get Miata just for the looks!". S-FR - a cute quirky looking toy car that I'm sure many grandmas will love... Having said that, I see Miata is very popular among middle-aged women in the UK (I don't know why, it's just most of the time I look at the driver, it's a middle-aged woman!), so a convertible version of that cutesy quirky SFR may just be a hit over in the UK.

Hope your wrong.

I just looked uo Jimny prices for the UK. Insane!

Yeah, man. You watch the news, see a SMALL car, that's a breath of fresh air amid all US-market-only cars... and then you find that EU screws you again. I legit wanted a Mustang or Nissan Z but fuel cost and CO2 would kill me, so thought I'd settle on the GR86. NOT. Only up to 500 cars imported to the UK, allocated by lottery or something, no longer sold - thanks, EU! EU is also killing the 2 litre Miata! Because it's producing too much CO2 for the weight category it's in! What?? But there's no problem with 3-row SUVs that are emitting much more -- heavier cars are allowed to emit more. WHAT??? I have no hope for this SFR or any other new enthusiast car. It's official: new sports car is dead in Europe.

@@andycalifornia426 EU fucks up everything, I was hoping that maybe I could buy a Jimny but since they aren't coming as a 4 seater anymore (thanks to EU) it's just another dream that won't happen with family it's not practical as a 2 seater, I know that the Long wheel base it's already out but since the short one is already stupidity expensive as it is I can imagine the long wheel base won't be an exception.

Thank you dealership

Fair points!

Nice! What Gen of miata? I agree on a lot of what you said. I have my doubts Mazda would screw it up. But I'm sure there's someone at Mazda saying some nonsense like. It would sell better with just a CVT. Let's hope that never happens

@@metalheadcarshow769 I’ve got a 91 Miata, turbo 1.6, making about 170whp. The main thing that gives me hope in Mazda is they have a really strong philosophy towards designing fun and memorable cars. I do really want Toyota to increase their sports car line up, and I’d happily welcome the competition between the two companies.

@MICHA3L216 your miata sounds awesome! And let's hope Mazda keeps that as a focus going forward. Sure they will. But we've seen too many companies bail on it

Yeah, man... Toyota, stop using other company engines! Supra turned out alright, but Subaru 86 engines are a shame when all is said and done, in both gens (1st gen horrendous torque dip, 2nd gen - instead of actually fixing engine design, they just threw at it more power and as a result, it's too thirsty for a 4-popper, in a lightweight car at that!). And now Daihatsu? Daihatsu who?? I've only seen commercial trucks and such by Daihatsu. I'm not confident in their ability to make a good engine - FOR A SPORTS CAR. And sure as hell I don't expect it to be Toyota-reliable. It'll be another disappointment like that 86, a huge compromise. Toyota, Lotus used your effing engine! How much more a confidence booster do you freaking need??

Nice selection of cars! And cool! If they match the miata for weight, ita going to be a rocket

Before doing the video I read convertible somewhere. Looks like you are correct though. My mistake

@@metalheadcarshow769 Probably due to its connection to that Suzuki Flat White.

I assume nothing. It will probably be a great fit as a bigger more powerful car than the sfr, but smaller and cheaper than the Supra

@@metalheadcarshow769 Are there enough GR86s sold for Toyota??? I was hoping Toyota would drop the 86 so Subaru could add a turbo engine and 4 wheel drive to the BRZ.

Well thank you for watching. Can't say the pronunciation of Toyota will be changing any time soon. Also. Whose Kirk?

I maybe the only person who doesn't think it looks ugly lol. But I agree competition is needed

I agree that Miata needs a competitor -- one that offers a coup! I'm kinda thinking MAYBE settling for an ND RF, but man, I want some usability out of my car. I don't care about the convertible stuff. So it's a tough pill to swallow thinking that the whole convertible mechanism eats up the valuable storage space (in a car that doesn't even have a glovebox!) AND screws up rear visibility. In other words, a coup competitor to Miata would REALLLY kick Miata's ass. Having said that, if that thing ends up looking like this, I'd rather deal with Miata's storage space and visibility compromise because I want my sports car to be satisfying to look at, and I consider Miata RF a gorgeous looking car.

I don't blame you. Small amount of work and the fiats sound amazing

Toyota as plans for a new mr2. This being something more miata ish makes sense. And the dinosaur comment was a joke

It has a novelty sure. But is it preforms well it will be a different story. And i gotta say I'm already board of the Z

I think it will have a bit more of a punch than the cappuccino. But I get what's your saying.

That's too big of an if. Try finding a GR86 on a lot. GR Corollas were sold for many thousands of dollars over MSRP and were very hard to find at all. They have stepped up production on the GR Corolla, thankfully, but not the GR86.

Not sure toyota could make a car that impractical now if they tried lol

MRS is widely impractical and had no power. Light yes. But no power. Not shocking it failed. Fortunately this isn't that. And worse than a bmw? Them fightin words

@@metalheadcarshow769 Yes, the MR-S was impractical, but so is the MX-5 and probably the SFR too. A sports car isn't about practicality that's what hot hatches are for. One could even argue that even power isn't really a necessity for a sports car, look at the first generation Miata. What does sell a sports car is looks and handling. It seems like the SFR will be a great handling car and beauty is in the eye of the beholder so maybe there is a market for it. It would be awesome to have some competition in this segment but I fear the sales volume won't be there. I hope I'm wrong. We need more small RWD sports cars in this world.

We shall see

@@metalheadcarshow769 there is also such a lack of information right now. But under 30k price with GR Corolla engine? I would buy one today.

150hp base model? As long as they can keep the weight down it will be a fine place to start. But yes it is a possible is may not come to North America. We shall see

@@metalheadcarshow769 If they make a GR version with 200hp I could see that being mildly interesting. Low weight costs money though. I think cheapness is key for this car to turn a profit for toyota. Not that they would struggle if they lost money!

Oof, not much love for this

Exactly, nobody is buying a fun car with no practicality whatsoever if it's ugly.

To each their own

Lack of practicality I'll give you that. As for the ugly part. Personally I don't agree. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I will say this looks way better than the bulk of bmw's being sold right now