"Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Dalek Sec the Wise?" "No." "I thought not, it's not a story the Daleks would tell you..."

I recently noticed that when Dalek Sec marvels at the humans' "genius for war" before saying that humans are very Dalek, it echoes a sentiment that Mavic Chen expressed in The Daleks' Master Plan: "...the Daleks have a certain genius for war"

Gotta be my favorite Dalek character of all time, closely beating Rusty.

It's something that the doctor would not tell you. It's Skaro Legend. Dalek SEC was a Dalek commander who was so powerful and so clever that it was said that he had something no other Dalek had. Imagination.

One idea I had for if he had survived was him showing up in Journey's End where he could have had a confrontation with Davros, I feel like that could have been interesting, maybe even have him see Dalek Caan again but he'd changed so much Dalek Sec barley recognises him. Honestly thinking of this stuff makes me more sad that he died so soon cuase I feel there's some interesting stuff that could have happened if he had survived.

Trying to stop an endless cycle of violence and pain is a good thing. Sec’s portrayal was incredible.

I didn't know there was a deleted scene, that was pretty cool. Should've left it in. Would have helped Sec's redemption arc greatly. Would've been almost a like Darth Vader's redemption arc, a villain who killed for a cause he believed in, only to throw it away for something else he believed in. This is why I love Daleks in Manhattan and Evolution of the Daleks.

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Sec the wise?

I can imagine dalek caan telling a story to rusty about the tragedy of dalek Sec the wise lol

I never knew about that deleted scene! I see why they removed it - it muddles the flow of the scene, and the Doctor's praise of Sec - but it's an important point to remember that Sec is also responsible for many deaths, and I'm glad it was considered.

He fused with a human, and tired to convince his troops to to do the same. Then his troops destroyed him... It's iconic, he couldn't save his race... From themselves.

for a second there i thought that the quick rundown of Sec's changes at 7:55 was gonna end with "and from a human dalek hybrid into a corpse"

HOW did i never catch that? The doctor talks to Sec about being trapped in a shell, so he later has the idea to leave it and even sees the Doctor as a genius. HOW did I never see that?

There’s some irony in the way the Cult betrays Sec. Though they are unwilling to betray the Dalek way of being, they are willing to break aspect of Dalek society that Sec arrogantly assumed they wouldn’t: They disobey orders. Daleks are expected to obey their superiors without question. That’s what Sec was counting on, his assumed position over the other three. Sad, really but then so is this story.

I do kinda feel robbed that the deleted scene was cut. I get why they did it, but it shows a sense of irony that what Sec himself had done to others, his own race does to him. He is reminded by the doctor that he wasn't innocent and is shown how others felt and were treated by his kind, let alone himself. His understanding of that adds that little bit more character and, in my opinion, his death too.

Many have taken the title, but Sec was truly the Supreme Dalek.

Sec is my favourite character. I’m completely fine with some others not getting why, I just find him so interesting and genuinely have always loved seeing any scenes of him. It makes me happy to see him get any acknowledgment at all after the two-parter, whether from the show itself/any behind the scenes stuff or from the fans who seem to be giving the two-parter a bit more love these days. If I started delving into further detail we’d be here all year 😅 but as someone who’s loved watching/reading about/analysing this half-alien man for 17 years, and who’s extensively researched him where I could for fan content… HOW IN THE ABSOLUTE HELL did I not know about that deleted clip?! Holy shit, thank you for showing it!

"Did you ever hear... the *tragedy* of Dalek Sec, the wise?" "No..." "Hmm, I thought not. It's not a story the Time Lords would tell you... ...Dalek Sec was a Dalek Lord of the Empire, so powerful and so wise, he could use his imagination to influence his fellow Cult members to create... hybrids. He had such a knowledge of genetic engineering, he could even eat a ruthless Human, and hybridise." "He actually... hybridised with a Human?" "A Dalek with an imagination has a pathway to many philosophies some other Daleks would consider to be... unnatural." "W-what happened to him?" "He became a true Hybrid, the only thing he had to watch out for was... losing command of his Daleks. Which eventually, of course, he did... ...Unfortunately, he told his fellow Cult members to imagine, and they imagined his irrelevance. It's ironic. He tried to save the Daleks from destruction - and in the process destroyed himself."

I think the Dalek idealogy is so self-sustaining and immense that destroying them from within is very difficult. But I do like the idea that Sec would have survived this story, saved by the Doctor, and is living a quiet life on some lonely backwater planet, far away from any other Daleks. As much as I think the Hybrid's appearance is a little goofy (and apparently a pain to work with because the motors for the tentacles were so loud), I'd not be against a return or an exploration of the idea.

Sec is the goat 🐐

I like how the hybrid is a decent good person despite Sec and Diagoras both being evil, he truly acknowledged the horror of the daleks

Sec would have made a great companion

Dalek Sec and the Emperor was peak.

I wish they kept the deleted scene just to show being 'sorry' and knowing what you did was wrong doesn't excuse what you've done

It seems to me that one of the reasons why the rest of the Skaro cult betrayed Sec was envy.The Daleks hate their existence more than anything else, preferring to take their anger out on other species, such as the use of slaves at excavation sites instead of machines simply because they suffer. Now imagine, your leader was not only able to get rid of the shell, but also tells the archenemy that their creator was mistaken and, in general, hybrids are good. I'm actually surprised they didn't shoot them on the spot.

Evolution of The Daleks (and Daleks in Manhattan to that extent) is not perfect, but I truly think it should have been the ‘finale’ to the Dalek’s story in the RTD era: A beautiful full-circle story that brings their arc back to ‘Dalek’ while concluding the Time War story, and The Doctor/Dalek relationship, with some of the best Dalek writing in my opinion; Helen Raynor deserves more credit than she gets for this story, and Dalek Sec’s brief appearance in the series is something I won’t forget anytime soon!

Sec is the great Dalek in Doctor Who was tragically cut short, I wish he should've survived.

Ironic. He could save the other Daleks from death, but not himself.

If there was anything good to come out of this new series it would be the revelation of a 5th member of the Cult of Skaro who was the originator of the idea of a more peaceful Dalek future that Sec pretended to kill so that he/they would be a last resort

I actually like this Dalek story. I have no idea why people rate it low.

The Manhattan story is so full of whacky moments! 😳

Now that I hear the meme I want to know how long it would take the Doctor to solve the plot of Star Wars. Time travel is such an OP ability when used against something that doesn't have it

Sec. The Dalek that dared to dream.

If he had servived it probably would have gone the same way as the humanised Daleks but in a different way if Dalek Sec lived long enough he would have been found and exsterminated by the new Dalek paradime.

Sec is one of very few Daleks we take pity on…

Dalek Sec was an _abomination_ ! Distorted from pure Dalek ideals.

I feel bad for the Daleks in these episodes because they had a chance to turn to good but their reluctance to join sec because they were conditioned to be that way is sad because sec was right in the end, death and destruction chose them.

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Dalek Sec, The Hybrid? I thought not... Its not a Story The Doctor would tell you... He's a Dalek Pariah.

Best dr who character Imo

We all got the figure of him

Y'know what, I would VERY much like to know where the heck that deleted scene footage came from because oh my god. Can we find that somewhere? I never knew it existed, at all

great video, where did you get that clip of dalek sec and the doctor talking? ive been trying to find it on you tube, and im either putting the wrong keywords in, or nobody has uploaded it

Sec deserves no title of Dalek.

I feel like Dalek Sec was their best hope for evolution. Not redemption, their evil is too great to ever be redeemed, but to obtain a new future for themselves. But as always, their arrogance, intolerance and hatred blinded them to the only possibility for survival, they couldn't share in Sec's heightened vision and his final words very much confirm the Dalek race as a self-fulfilling prophecy. They choose death and destruction over and over again, so it will choose them. While they will induce immense suffering and exterminate uncountable billions across spacetime, they will never fully realize their mission and after the death and hatred, their legacy is one of failure, ultimately.

The Daleks are the good guys now.

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Dalek Sec is our Roman Empire 🤣😭

Even as a kid I thought this. I suppose he should have given the rest of the cult the same freedom of thought and imagination he was granted before trying to convince them. Or maybe just expected them not to follow him and escaped with the Doctor.

I’ve never seen the deleted scene from the hybrid sec and the doctor in the theatre where did you find the clip

Did you ever the tragedy of Dalek Sec the Mutaded he was said to be so powerful even most advanced weapons couldn’t break his casing Is it possible to learn this ability Not from a timelord

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I would like to see the doctor go to another universe where dalek sec's plan actually worked and that the human/dalek species are thriving.

If you think about it if the doctor is a good dalek does that make Dalek Sec was a bad dalek.

Well, you could say that Davos was right about the hybrid

Anyone have a link for the discord

This is one of the logical end points of the Dalek’s fascist nature; one of its ultimately self-destructive outcomes. *Any* form of free thought leads to deviation utterly abhorrent to fascists, which results in murderous backlash. The Daleks are such great villains because the writers are so upfront in exploring the underlying fascist nature of them, and how it can *only* lead to their own destruction.

It’s not a story the timelords will tell you

Did you ever here the tragedy of dalek sec the wise? No? It’s not a story the imperial daleks would tell u It’s an old dalek legend Dalek sec was a black dalek of the dalek empire So powerful and so wise he knowledge and wisdom he even had the ability of imagination He could actually imagine things? Knowledge and wisdom is a pathway to many things some daleks would consider unnatural He became so powerful the only thing he feared was the destruction of are race which he almost cause he taught his apprentices everything he new and when they realised his plan they turned on him and killed him Is there some way to gain this knowledge Not by a imperial dalek A story told by supreme dalek caan to a young emperor dalek yet to take on the position

Sec had such a wonderful opening in doomsday/army of ghost, so ruthless and commanding. It truly pained me to see a Dalek of high standing turn himself into some meek weaponless creature. Just as blinded by infectious compassion as he was deluded with self importance. Sec's way was wrong, the Daleks persistence after Sec and caans betrayal is proof of this.

‘Daleks of Manhattan’ and ‘Evolution of the Daleks’ are deemed useless once you realize they could’ve just done an Emergency Temporal Shift from the Beginning. Sec could’ve avoided his death.

The reason why Dalek Sec was betrayed because he wanted to go into direction for new ways for the Dalek race to survive, Dalek caan, Thay and Jast were disgusted, they rebel and despise the direction that Dalek Sec was gonna take them, when Dalek sec fused with the human, he become less evil and become more compassionate, he thrown away his Dalek pride, he become more human then dalek which made the other 3 daleks see he’s no longer a dalek to them anymore and betray him, he was the only creature that could had led them out the darkness but they were blind by their arrogance and genetics