Yeah the saddest thing in red dead series is playing rd2 as arthur seeing little jack surrounded by family and gang members who all cared for him to a degree(fuck micah) To then see him just alone...its sad. Especially imagining how much he remembers. Really made you feel like you lost a family

We all hate saving Micah from that damn jail in strawberry

I left most of the stranger missions for Jack to do in my recent playthrough, I figure John would be already accustomed to the ways of the west, But Jack should get some life experience in seeing that even good intentions can lead to unfortunate circumstances. I did like that as John I never found anyone who genuinely wanted a lift but during my time as Jack he escorted 2 ladies back to town.

Jack watched everybody he knew just die which is sad.

Agreed.@@billythepuppet4114

Crazy to think about he would of seen the most change out of any generation from the old west all the way to the times of rock n roll

It is not the same universe

Maybe vice city but I think he would have died by San Andreas

@@dillongooding8664 there is a book in franklins bed room called red dead it’s the same universe

@@DIRTYPLACCY it’s just a reference

While I have no imagined details, I imagine Red Dead Revenge where part of it is Jack in WWI using the war as cover to hunt down Army officers who participated in the Beechers Hope Massacre.

Yea, you got that right

That's on Ross. His program of extrajudicial assassinations carried out via coercion is the reason he got shot.

@@TG626 That has potential but seems would go too much the AC way. I'd imagine it a storyline more similar to Yellowstone. Jack moves further away from the Marston ranch to make his place but ends up starting more trouble, creating his own "gang" in the process.

@@R__K a better plot would be for Jack to discover Arthur and John's journal- as well as encounter the other gang members like Pearson and Sadie. Then he has a choice to make: settle down, forego his revenge and turn those journals and stories into a book- a book which doesn't sell well until much later in his life. Jack honors the sacrifice made by Arthur and John by turning his guns in and abandoning the life of an outlaw for good. Or Jack embraces his revenge and guns down the soldiers who took part in killing his father. Jack ends up becoming the last true outlaw- he gains infamy but dies young in bloodbath against lawmen, to the horror and dismay of his friends and any remaining gang members.

I agree 100%

GTA 6 and red dead redemption 3 same game 🤔

He Joins an anarchist movement or a communism group both very active at the time

RED DEAD REDEMPTION 3 OUT NOW

He's 19 in 1914

Heads overseas changes his name joins the French army rises to commissioned officer, is transferred to the US army in 1917(which was what happened in RL) Returns to the States becomes a Revenue agent and is set for RDR 3 set in the 1920's and Prohibition.

@@jamesmaclennan4525 Forced imo.

He does what many an old westian with no skill other than the gun did: he joins the law (US Marshall outfit). He manages to do a decent living, gets old, writes a book (from the GTA cameo), and betwen his modest pension and the modest book sales he finally is able to, in his final days, leave the gun (the one he gazed at with disgust after killing Ross) to sleep, forgotten, in a drawer. There are worse fates than that.

Jack going from above-average marksmanship to the level of his father in just three years... man...

@@morgan0__o Hell on skates with a gun *and* a mean man with fists and knives. Takes a lot of determination to get there and his was driven by hate. And what's sad is that in his self-loathing and confused commentary and his taunts you can still hear an angry, displaced youth.

It's also poetic and a really great message to the modern world that, in ridding the world of "savages", Ross inadvertently and singlehandedly turned an "ideal" addition to society, Jack, into a savage himself

Yeah and then what? He lives the rest of his life alone and depressed. Rockstar did him dirty fr.

And then the way he walks away and it does that iconic red scene is a dope last frame 🏆

@@stevo1110 Welcome to the reality of trauma and a bad childhood. It's very sad but it all makes sense and is pretty realistic for a game story. Life does you dirty.

Ross job was to give an end to the outlaw's era, by killing Marston he just raised another one

Arthur and Abigail were best friends basically so he would help out with Jack and he probably caught feelings for her but she was still obsessed with John

@@josephstalin2606 I doubt he had feelings for her after Jack was born. He would have been hurting still after Eliza/Isaac and Mary, he pretty much had no interest in woman romantically after that and he says as much. He mentions that he may have gotten with her in the early days if John hadn't but as soon as John and her got together he backed off and became a good friend to her instead. I see them more as brother/sister and Arthur lending a hand with Jack since poor Abigail would need a break sometimes and Arthur would be a good fatherly figure for Jack to bond with (especially compared to any of the other guys, either people like Bill/Uncle or too young like Sean or Lenny).

@@SohiHien Arthur was like that chill and super protective uncle that treats their nephews as their own kids.

@@SohiHienactually, in Arthur’s journal he talks about how he probably should have married Abigail himself, instead of John, but he was too busy chasing after Mary

That made sense, considering he have experiences in teaching children with Jamie and Issac

Really good (and poignant) point…damn, RDR hits hard…👏🔥💯🇺🇸

At least Jack took care of his mother and the ranch his father worked so hard for before setting off to get revenge. He ain't a boy no more, he's a man.

Now imagine how shit life would of been for jack once his mother died and he has killed Ross, hence no longer having a purpose in life. I feel bad for him the most.

I like how it’s left ambiguous it leaves many interpretations. Maybe he was with her taking care of her the whole time, or maybe his emotional state left him at odds with her and he left the ranch more and more often to train and live out his fantasy of being a gunslinger. It’s also weird how even though she was the most recent death he still mourns John more than her

@@stevo1110no purpose? His father and the only other family he knew basically risked their life so they (everyone) can all live normal lives. Jack is the youngest members of the gang to have that opportunity and nearly in a time in America when big change was coming. Now he can truly live free and find a purpose

So he pretty much became the type of person Hosea was

@@Pomzon but even better

He became Arthur and Hosea combined

he's every gang member rolled into one, both positive and negative. He's a gunslinger like his father and has a temper like Dutch, and even wears a similar coat to Arthur, but he's also ruthless and(in certain dialogue options) very creepy and perverted like Micah

He’s literally the Van Der Linde legacy

Same here!

Honestly it's really only kids/teens/maybe young adults who get a pass on not realizing how tragic the story is. But even so, I know from DBZ fandom with people wishing Trunks with his godawful future timeline was the main one and that Gohan stayed his traumatized fighter self post Cell. It's fine to appreciate badass things people do in those conditions, but I think part of maturity is recognizing they'd be better off with the better lives they want/end up with. /rant

Well, he probably did do it over her dead body

bro took it litterally

Sick Abigail: "Jack. Don't tell me that you are wearing a gunslinger jacket" Jack: "Nah ma don't you worry. Don't you worry about anything"

"Over my dead body"

Ironically, they may both have gotten their wishes (even if Abigail didn't live to see Jack metaphorically hang Ross on behalf of the whole gang which raised him)

I’d like the next game to be about him either being pursued by or hunting Archer Fordham and either letting go or being let go in the end.

@@JojoTheRed Archer Fordham. Not many people remember that guy. Good point. Is it me or does he make a cameo appearance in 1899 during the first bounty hunter cutscene?

The jamming gun bit doesn't necessarily mean that he would have a good ending to it all.

Thank you for bringing up the outfits I was looking through the comments for that, I agree and think it’s a really interesting yet subtle way of story telling

@@DandiDelight Then again those outfits had specific perks to them so it could’ve been more related to gameplay than story. Same with honor in the first game having 0 influence on story but many perks in gameplay

The Epilogue of RDR takes place in 1914. The year World War I started. I don't know why, but I always kinda imagined Jack ending up in a trench in Europe.

@@PatrickDunning America stayed neutral in WWI until 1917, Jack wouldn't have had much personal reasoning to get involved in a conflict half a world away anyhow.

@@Fizhy He could join the French Foreign Legion. For a long time it was romanticized as an organization for broken men to risk their lives, so it would work thematically, either to flee the law or to pursue a deathwish like Sadie did.

@@Fizhy exactly, well there's always the chance he moved to Tahiti and joined the war to hide from Pinkerton's

@@DetahrametThat's what I thought too but nah I doubt it

I liked to imagine a year ago that the final cutscene in Remember my family would change depending on your Honor, if you have low honor, Jack looks at his gun and keeps it, but if you have high honor, he throws his gun with a grunt into the pond Edgar Ross was in, demonstrating that he doesn’t want to be an outlaw.

The moral of red dead is you can’t outrun your past. I think after killing ross jack becomes the very last gunslinger/outlaw to exist. Killing a highly decorated agent isn’t just forgiven and forgotten. I think after, jack went on the run and is constantly being chased, until they catch him

@@That_oneguy_mane Ok.

@@tazinboor3913Well Jack always wanted to be a gunslinger more than he wanted to be a writer. That’s why in the first game he feels unworthy because he wants to be like John and live how John used to live but obviously John wanted better for him. I feel like regardless of honor he would continue to live out his childhood fantasy and be a gunslinger/outlaw

@@josephstalin2606 I see.

Duck hunting hos

Met Jack first time by a river, and Ross saw Jack for the last time by a river

John's revenge wasn't about Arthur

@@ryanpulliam8987 it was though he said he owed it to Arthur or else he wouldn't have gone for micah

I swear I've seen you before AGAIN

@@oldarthurmorgan6319 in all reality John sought revenge after dutch abandoned him and left him to die

@@ryanpulliam8987 No we're talking about rdr2 John and Micah's encounter John killed micah for arthur he wasn't even there for dutch

1960s or 1970s? Heck, he could've made it to the 1990s. There were people older than him still alive just 15 years ago.

I don't think so there's already a Game Series called Mafia by 2K.

@@modyfrisrajczka8657 and 2k is owned by Take Two, Rockstar's parent company. So since Red Dead, GTA, and Mafia are all under the same parent, I say it's possible.

Maybe he could have a small cameo in the mafia games or maybe a gta prequel game since (correct me if I’m wrong) they’re in the same universe

There could be a red dead redemption game in prohibition times it starts in 1920 , with Jack Marston and his bootlegging gang or he's a gang member in a bootlegging gang . Well for rdr3 I would prefere if they went to an even ,younger Arthur or John ending maybe with the Blackwater massacre

Yeah he's a Idiot

Agreed

Plus Jack is a ghost compared to John, especially in 1914 when the age of outlaws has died out. No one expects a random gunslinger to gun down a retired cop. Chances are, Jack got off scot free

@@daahorse1652 have high honor and it is said ross death is blamed on bandits and considering that's what Ross has been hunting all his life and Jack well having learned not to make the same mistakes as John with Micah yeah he is gone (plus being high honored he left ross family alive)

​@@selemanecuYes. Left the family alive. Of course. Alive.. yes...

Good point. He did what he had to do and didn't risk taking others down with him. John unintentionally took Abigail and Jack with him.

Abigail wasnt alive for long after johns death. And jack did alot of growing up in that time.

There’s that, but we don’t know what would have come next.

Jack got revenge for all the gang members of the Vander linde gang

Abigail in RDR2 says "Over my dead body" when Jack says he wants to be gun slinger when he was a little kid..Jack took that personally it seems.

Considering the fact that California and New York are mentioned in the Red Dead series, while in the GTA series those states are called San Andreas and Liberty City respectively.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure R* confirmed that they don't take place in the same universe. But I still like to think that he did write that book.

@@antthomas7916 same

I like that theory alot. You sir get a soup🍵

The country club golf course in San Andreas (GTA 5) is owned by the Downes family so that also connects the universes might just be another crazy Easter egg tho

He probably become involved with the mafia

It's not johns hat. It's extremely different, before you say "It's old" the hat is just genuinely different.

In the RDR world New York and California still exist

Jack also got his final duel at a place with no witnesses to pin the death on him. So he is actually free to break the circle.

@@notfeedynotlazy His wife and brother were "witnesses" but my point still stands

@@JohnReedy07163 But they don't know him specifically so he can still get away

@@JohnReedy07163 Of course it stands. It was never challenged.

@@JohnReedy07163 i killed them.. so

“COME ON, FASTER”

“Now you believe I’m a marston?!”😂

"suck it dad!" Jack marston, 1907

“CMON YOU DAMN NAG WORK!” 😂

"YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAWWWW"

He looks a little like Dutch ngl

He's got a little bit of Javier sperm to

I don't think so

nah Javier

Nah, Uncle was Red Harlow and Jack was Red Harlow's kid.

There's an easter egg in GTA V where you find a book (in Franklin's new safehouse) called "Red Dead" by a 'J Marston' so this theory may very well hold up!

The WW1 story would definitely work if Jack was *forced* into it, like John was forced to work for Ross. I think we should play as Jack in the prologue, then meet Mac Callendar's daughter and get involved in a gang... Only to be betrayed and gunned down. As they're bleeding out, Jack tries to get her to stay awake by talking to her, and realizes who her father was. Flashback to the story of Mac Callendar, the only man harder and faster than Arthur Morgan, along with his whipcrack psycho brother Davey. We could witness Jack as a toddler up until he's 4 or 5, and see what leads Mac to gift his jacket to Arthur. I can see Mac finding a lover, and trying to keep her secret from everybody until he does "one last job" to keep his word to Dutch. But Davey finds out and blabs about it where Agents Milton and Ross hear about her, so after they finish off Mac's last stand (when he gave Arthur his horse to escape Blackwater), the Agents go pay his woman and new daughter a visit to rustle up information about the gang... ...Cut back to Jack in prison, then on trial, as he journals everything he remembers about the Van Der Linde gang, trying to make sense of the complex web of generational tragedies he's wrapped up in. Jack gets sent to fight in WW1 as part of a penal battalion, where he reunites with the gang member that betrayed him. After learning that Mac's daughter is still alive in prison, back stateside, Jack and the traitor shoot their way out of the Meuse-Argonne Offensive, only to get pinned down by a counter-offensive. The traitor gets pissed that he couldn't escape his life of crime, and got the same sentence as Jack despite informing on the new gang, which leads to Jack and the traitor getting into a dramatic knife-and-fistfight amidst barbed wire and explosions... Until they tumble into a shell crater to drown each other in blood. So players must choose whether to remember the game's lessons and kill the traitor, or spare him and share in redemption. Then a bunch of Germans show up above the crater, and the game's final shootout mirrors John's last stand. Only this time, we can win... But we only get the good ending where Jack wins and lives if we spare the traitor, so he can help shoot the last couple Germans when Jack runs out of ammo. Afterward, we get one of several cutscenes depending on our honor level and final choices. A High Honor ending where we kill the traitor would result in Jack laying on his back, dying like Mac, Arthur, and John, as he watches planes dogfight in the sky. "Machines like that can turn men... Into angels..." A Low Honor ending where we kill the traitor could be a shell burying Jack's body, so Mac Callendar's daughter can't even visit his grave after she's released from prison. He's just listed as MIA. And for a Good Ending, spare the traitor and score a kill with every single bullet in the final Dead Eye sequence. The traitor finishes off the last German when Jack runs out of ammo. Together, he and Jack get to go home with clean slates and start over, and Jack settles down at Beecher's Hope with Mac's daughter. That's a wall of text, but it's burning in my imagination! It would complete all the themes and possibilities of the trilogy. I hope we get something like this one day. It would need to focus on rugged individualism and close personal connections, more like RDR1 as opposed to the crumbling gang of RDR2. And it could contain cattle drives, avalanches, tornados, daring wagon heists, and even automobiles (Prologue) and tanks (Epilogue).

@@WisdomThumbs that would be a interesting follow-up to the events of rdr1, and im here for it. But what wpuld the ending be like of you had low honor, but spare the traitor

@@sufficientnationjc9681 IDK... The traitor helps kill the attacking soldiers, then helps Jack escape the crater, only to leave Jack behind and run for his life when another artillery barrage hits. A random shell kills Jack as he watches the biplanes dogfight overhead. As Arthur said, "good things don't happen to bad people." (paraphrased)

@@WisdomThumbs red dead revenge

THIS. This is what makes the series a masterpiece.

It's sorta messed up that so many seem to stupidly think the ending of RDR1 is a good thing remotely, and doesn't mean that every sacrifice of the past has been for nothing.

Especially since theirs witnesses to Jack asking around for Ross

@@JulioGonzalezTV Literally it was only like 3 he asked and even then he never gave a name or said where he was from

and if you belive that red harlow is uncle, thats where it really all comes together

I love how you described Micah Bell 👍🏼.

Clever

And LA Noire I think too

Jack wrote the books which were turned into movies which inspired the game we play IRL.

They are separate universes

Unless you just go back for the money then you get to leave micah with a epic eye scar

It was worth the 20,000 dollars

You sure about that? I thought Jack was short for Jackson, not Jonathan?

@@antthomas7916 Jack came before Jackson. Jackson literally means “son of jack”.

@@antthomas7916 yes, we’re I live in the UK it’s not unusual for sons to be named after fathers, so rather than the family say John jr often its jack or Jackie. In my family each son has been named after their fathers for many generations, rather than use Jr our middle name is used!instead amongst friends and family.

Names are weird

I tought it came from Jacob

I wonder if the next red dead will be based on Jacks life. I’m curious to see what rockstar comes up with it as ww1 is about to start and the Wild West era has ultimately come to an end.

I think he did became a writer. There's a book in Franklin's house in GTA 5, by the author J. Marston.

@raelman9 oh Nah really??? I had noo idea 🙄🙄🙄

Very clever

That's an easter egg, nothing more, nothing less, I truly don't get why so many people give so many relevance to a simple easter egg

@@Braint-lr6uf that’s just how much relevance the Easter egg has. Just because it’s an Easter egg doesn’t mean it’s not relevant.

lesgooo jack made it outt😁

@@Braint-lr6uf Easter eggs don't have to be relegated to just "references." Ever heard of worldbuilding? Not everything needs to be presented in the story to be relevent

@@RichardRichyRickGillard So you're truly saying that the ending of a story is an Easter Egg? That's not worldbuilding, and yes, if it's relevant must be presented in the story, not in a book, from a shelf,from a house, in a game that came out three years later and has nothing to do with Red Dead 1.

He had a plan 😔

@@Society_is_braindead A GODDAMN PLAN!!!

@@Society_is_braindead but we didnt have some goddamn faith 😞

The only reason Dutch didn't put a bullet through him sooner is because Micah was the only man that would massage his ego.

He just neede more time

This is why I hate most of the rockstar community bunch of impatient complainers

@@DIRTYPLACCY I mean that's true, but I was mainly referring to the idiots who gloss over the story then complain when they're playing as a different character and call them stupid because they don't like them

@@Mewtwo_150 yeah the people saying they don’t like the character are the same people complaining about gta 6 taking too long

Well I don't hate him but yea he does sound stupid as an adult lol. I played as Jack a lot after I finished the game doing side missions I missed and I really didn't like his voice but it didn't make me hate him. Although him calling his horse a damn nag made me want to punch him a lot. Like dude what's your deal with being mean to horses?

@@flickchick710 With all of the shit he's been through, you're lucky you don't see him just randomly kill his horse while riding it

technically, as soon as Jack murdered Ross, that was when he became an outlaw. Even if he was never caught for the murder, he himself would know that he murdered someone. There's no getting away from it.

@@TarnishedProductions Not to mention any other horrible things he may have done or have happen to him before he killed Ross. For all we know he could already have taken lives before. Hell, the fact that you are able to kill Ross' family without a hint of remorse suggests that he's not just used to it, but can do so even when it's completely unnecessary. Even if you don't kill his family members, he's still ABLE to do it and that makes it even more unsettling I don't know what Jack gets up to or what he becomes after, but I firmly believe that Ross was not his first kill. Not by a long shot

@@CheesyGarlicMan Actually I believe the contrary, after killing Ross he watches his gun as realizing he became a murderer like his father.

Y’all read way too much into this… He literally killed Edgar Ross for killing his dad. How you play is what makes him good or bad. For example, if you kill Edgar’s wife and brother, then you’re an outlaw, if you don’t, you’re not.

Call it whatever you want. At the end of the day. Jack finally made his first kill. Jack is an Outlaw now just like the gang he grew up with.

It was a great video although I wished he went more in dept with Jack when he was fully grown. Thats the jack many people never got to meet, jack changed dramatically

@@_Gwuapo - As do most people when transitioning from childhood to adulthood..

@@_Gwuapo he probably would’ve but the rest of it is not cannon. Not his (fizhys) fault that the game devs didn’t include much story around jack as we see him in the epilogue of the first game

I don’t think that makes a lot of sense. Jack killed a government agent and is directly tied to the van der linde gang. It seems really unlikely that pinkertons would just shrug Edgar Ross being killed. As for the book in gta v, I think it’s just a reference.

​@@cheekyhazelnutJack killed Agent Ross on the side of a river in the middle of nowhere in Mexico, with no witnesses to see him pull the trigger. You could argue maybe Ross's wife and brother (2 people Jack had to find first to figure out where Ross was) could be dangerous since they saw Jack's face. But Jack never gave them his name, and i doubt they'd remember enough about Jacks physical image anyway. All Jack would have to do to make 100% sure he wasnt caught, would be to just move away far from the area.

@@jackbluehq6653 Thats really unlikely, You mean to tell me that one of the most successful and well known government agents dies around the same time a stranger asks for his whereabouts so he can deliver a "message" and nobody suspects a thing? Do you not think that Ross's brother or wife would be curious as to why Edgar hasn't returned from hunting and then go to see his dead body and connect the dots? We already saw in RDR2 that the pinkertons were able to track down John after he killed Micah in the middle of nowhere with no witnesses. Its not farfetched to assume the same with Jack.

@@cheekyhazelnut ummm did u not read what i said? I know that obviously those few people who Jack asked would be suspicious, but how would they know it was Jack? He gave no name, and I doubt they'd remember much details on his appearance especially since they all seemed really casual and unsuspecting when asked. Also John's case was very different. He had a huge gunfight before killing Micah in a way less obscure place (a big gang camp site) and he had just recently purchased a huge semi successful farm near blackwater in his name. Ofcourse they'd easily find him. Plus at that time the van der lin gang members were still being hunted down, including John. But Jack wasn't on any target list, as far as everyone was concerned all the members were dead by the time of 1914. So since Jack never gave him name, the few he questioned probably couldn't give any important description of him, he killed Ross quickly in an obscure area with no witnesses, and the fact that Ross's murder would not be linked to anything to do with the Van Der Lin Gang since they were considered a cold finished case by then, it's likely Jack got away with it.

@@jackbluehq6653 I feel like you're stretching a lot dude.

Great song for a great game ending

That would make for a good Rockstar story. Also based on your choices he could die in WW1 saving his platoon or taking another path to live with PTSD & regret due to a less honorable choice. Go another step further & have 2 or 3 more alternate endings based on the choices he made throughout the game.

I always like to imagine in my head canon, jack struggles for a few years after his parents deaths and even Edgars killing. But eventually manages to overcome it and realise what his parents tried and died for. He tries to sort himself out, marries, has a family and collect various things, Arthur’s journal entries, johns journal entries, newspaper clippings, photos off of Arthur’s camera aswell as his own recollection of the events of rdr 2 and 1 and uses them to write a biographical book on the rise and fall of the Van der linde gang. Ending the book by stating where he is in now in life and how his parents redemption was through giving him a chance at a normal life which they’d never been gifted

He’s American ww1 wasn’t even as major of a thing for Americans as it was for other countries. America was in the war just over a year from 1917 to 1918 so the chances of jack being drafted would of been slim.

He hated the government, all the Marstons did. The last thing he'd do is join. Even if he got drafted, he could easily dodge it, which, he would

I hope he somehow escaped from America and joined the French Foreign Legion. He’ll get a new identity, French citizenship and put his skills to use.

I wouldn't hate that but tbh I think the better option would be to set the game back another ten years or so and play as Dutch. Let the player answer the question through their gameplay did Dutch become evil or was he always?

It's not a bad idea but it would be more ideal to set the time to when the van der linde gang was at it's beginning. I agree, it would be cool to see jack's reaction to the changes in the world but it wouldn't make a lot of sense for a story.

There an add which shows jack in the army doing rounds

​@@calvinware7957 I think we should play as Jack in the prologue, then meet Mac Callendar's daughter and get involved in a gang... Only to be betrayed and gunned down. As they're bleeding out, Jack tries to get her to stay awake by talking to her, and realizes who her father was. Flashback to the story of Mac Callendar, the only man harder and faster than Arthur Morgan, along with his whipcrack psycho brother Davey. We could witness Jack as a toddler up until he's 4 or 5, and see what leads Mac to gift his jacket to Arthur. I can see Mac finding a lover, and trying to keep her secret from everybody until he does "one last job" to keep his word to Dutch. But Davey finds out and blabs about it where Agents Milton and Ross hear about her, so after they finish off Mac's last stand (when he gave Arthur his horse to escape Blackwater), the Agents go pay his woman and new daughter a visit to rustle up information about the gang... ...Cut back to Jack in prison, then on trial, as he journals everything he remembers about the Van Der Linde gang, trying to make sense of the complex web of generational tragedies he's wrapped up in. Jack gets sent to fight in WW1 as part of a penal battalion, where he reunites with the gang member that betrayed him. After learning that Mac's daughter is still alive in prison, back stateside, Jack and the traitor shoot their way out of the Meuse-Argonne Offensive, only to get pinned down by a counter-offensive. The traitor gets pissed that he couldn't escape his life of crime, and got the same sentence as Jack despite informing on the new gang, which leads to Jack and the traitor getting into a dramatic knife-and-fistfight amidst barbed wire and explosions... Until they tumble into a shell crater to drown each other in blood. So players must choose whether to remember the game's lessons and kill the traitor, or spare him and share in redemption. Then a bunch of Germans show up above the crater, and the game's final shootout mirrors John's last stand. Only this time, we can win... But we only get the good ending where Jack wins and lives if we spare the traitor, so he can help shoot the last couple Germans when Jack runs out of ammo. Afterward, we get one of several cutscenes depending on our honor level and final choices. A High Honor ending where we kill the traitor would result in Jack laying on his back, dying like Mac, Arthur, and John, as he watches planes dogfight in the sky. "Machines like that can turn men... Into angels..." A Low Honor ending where we kill the traitor could be a shell burying Jack's body, so Mac Callendar's daughter can't even visit his grave after she's released from prison. He's just listed as MIA. And for a Good Ending, spare the traitor and score a kill with every single bullet in the final Dead Eye sequence. The traitor finishes off the last German when Jack runs out of ammo. Together, he and Jack get to go home with clean slates and start over, and Jack settles down at Beecher's Hope with Mac's daughter. That's a wall of text, but it's burning in my imagination! It would complete all the themes and possibilities of the trilogy. I hope we get something like this one day. It would need to focus on rugged individualism and close personal connections, more like RDR1 as opposed to the crumbling gang of RDR2. And it could contain cattle drives, avalanches, tornados, daring wagon heists, and even automobiles (Prologue) and tanks (Epilogue).

That should be a dlc

Not the same universe, in gta it's liberty city but in rdr its new york

I remember thinking back in the day that a logical direct sequel to Red Read Redemption, would be following Jack Marston as a John Dillinger-style depression era bank robber. I never imaged Jack going straight. The fact that the cycle of violence remained unbroken, that there was no redemption was the ultimate point of the story ... Arthur/John went down a path that could not be escaped

The last we see of jack is him disappearing into the Mexican wilderness after murdering a decorated federal agent I don’t think he’d go fight for the US

Haha Jack going into WW1 is in my headcanon as well. I imagined he joined to escape the outlaw life. Realizing everything his parents did so that he wouldn’t have to live that life. Maybe when he gets back he could have a clean slate and become a writer or something since he always liked reading. Maybe tell the stories of the legendary Van Der Linde gang (maybe tracks down the survivors so they can tell the gang’s story). That’s the nice ending I imagined…. But in keeping with the tragedy aspect of his story he probably got killed in a similar way to John.

@@TheJadedJames that’s a cool way to go too

@@TheJadedJames Red Dead Unredeemed.

Most likely non-canon.

@@moolahfornothing1650 yep, people saying these easter eggs are canon like bro. Rockstar confirmed that rdr universe are not canon on gta universe and these people keep "insisting"

@@appratows6795 I insist you get some bitches. They're literally connected by references and easter eggs. Hell there's two weapons that you can unlock in GTA Online and then use in RDR2

@@appratows6795 you're totaly right, it's just fun to theorize

In L.A noire there's an Easter egg and it's John's hat

A double life as a gunslinger in the 1920s?

@@ethank.6602 guessing with bootlegging crime raise during the time make sense he’ll go out be a vigilante. Write book on himself but as a “dark knight”

The government ruined Jack's family multiple times. He would never be their foot soldier.

@@EddyOfTheMaelstrom hard agree

@@EddyOfTheMaelstrom maybe they arrested him and offerde him to join the army or be hung

Aren't there books in GTA written by Jack?

@@melonman198 yeah there is one called "Red Dead Redemption" by J. Marston

@@mightyomar1318 ah ight

@@mightyomar1318 I would like to believe that is canon, since Rockstar has said all their games are connected.

He kills Ross and the game ends. He could have become anything, what is there to suggest he becomes a gunslinger

How did jack corrupt Dutch? That was fucking Micah and him lying to Dutch constantly and making him turn on anyone who didn’t have “faith” in Dutch so you’re wrong all jack did was be corrupt himself and talking all about revenge and murder

@@vickshim8 it was a joke bro chill

the fact Rockstar made rdr2 and then abandoned it. and now only care about milking GTA 5 while working on GTA 6, which means they never cared about the franchise. they only care about money.

Thats just the plot of the first game, and it wouldn't work because by 1920 there was no room for outlaws.

Same..but i recently sold my old ps3 and all the games including rdr1 ...

I'm not sure we'll know what happened seeing as in red dead 1 you play as him

@@letsbehonest4221 ah damn. Maybe one day you'll get it back

@@ryanpulliam8987 yeah I'm talking about after rdr 1. Maybe we can get another rdr and we play as him

@@JustAthena1 i do regret selling but the problem was i just dont have room for 2 game consoles and 2 lots of games.. ..i think when i have more space i will get it again but for now im happy to play rdr on my ps4..

Same I like to believe he eventually realised what his parents died for, found some sense of peace, married and had a family and published a biographical book on the gang titled red dead redemption

Arthur was always right

@@kaidenhall2718 But none of them listened

John didn't die because of getting revenge on Dutch, but getting revenge on Micah which led to Ross finding John. And Arthur didn't go for revenge at all.

Dont look back but John looked back then killed Micah so Ross tracked him. That son of a bitch

Dutch always said revenge is a fools game

No way everyone is saying this but it’ll never happen

They should probably do a prequel first for rdr3 on how the gang formed together then IF they make rdr4 which they probably won’t but hopefully will make it will be about jack then most likely

Call it whatever you want. At the end of the day. Jack finally made his first kill. Jack is an Outlaw now just like everyone else.

In 2028 they will only release gta 5 on a toaster or gta 5 definitive edition

I have one question, why would jack look to the military when the government ruined his life?

@@nate974 Couple of reasons off hand: One, he might see it merely as a chance to travel the world as a "final hoorah" given his general outlook on life or, he might consider the chance to help other people who are being oppressed by other governments overseas. I don't like the "he could get drafted" idea, because no one willing to go on the run from the government is that worried about a draft letter. Two, he might decide to join the French Foreign Legion. It was fairly popular at the time for young men looking to put their pasts behind them while seeking adventure overseas.

I’d rather play as sadie it’s a cowboy/cowgirl game series not a war game cod did that like 1000 times

Not mention he’ll be able to ride horses and drive cars lol

I have to agree. It seems to make more sense given that the days of gunslingers and cowboys are pretty much dead at that point. I could see Jack stamping out the remaining gangs. Jack being the product of a legacy left behind by both outlaws and corrupt lawmen I couldn’t see him joining a gang but I couldn’t see him being a lawman either given that his first experiences with “the law” were people like Milton and Ross - who proved to be undeniably worse than the outlaws in many aspects.

Call it whatever you want. At the end of the day. Jack finally made his first kill. Jack is an Outlaw now just like everyone else.