Right?! 🙏🏼

It was a realization for me that these two are delusional. Perfect the way you were? You believe that’s a good outlook on the world for a parent or child? It’s a ridiculous outlook and objectively untrue. It’s damning.

@@tylerhall6228 "Objectively" untrue? Maybe look up that word.

@@raycin313 well if you’re concern is grammatical, I think objectively false might be better phrasing. If you’re saying it’s not objectively true they this person was perfect the way they were… I’m not sure what could possibly be more objective than that. There are many flaws with every person.

Yes, that hit me too

Well said.

That is exactly what I thought. Very sad

I'm so glad you pointed that out -- I wouldn't have recognized it nearly this early in the video if you hadn't!

Mormons are so trained to be “nice”, that even now there is not the expected outrage. It is allowed. The Bible allows outrage and anger where it is due.

May l ask you , what sites would you recomend for reputable history? Thanks ahead of time.💔

@In Christ Alone I would start with the church's own website with gospel topic essays. I would then go to sites that don't have an ax to grind against the church but are not biased towards it either. I had a history minor in college. I approached this with the idea that if I was going to write a peer reviewed paper on Joseph Smith, where would I go?

I've noticed in the past 20 yrs history has changed. I know I left "the church" over 40 yrs ago. Before you could "Google it" up until then the only thing that changed in "the church" was Joseph Smith has gained TWO wives, the hours (no more We'd. or Teu. MIA or primary) & they started calling the president of "the church" the "prophet" more. Suddenly now Joseph has gained over 20 wives some of them children & some already married 😱 I think black pioneers??? Kiss my ass!!! Absolutely not with brigham young!! He was a drunkard a narcissist he ran the state like he was a tyrant king not a leader!!! Look further than the Google. Read the TRUE scriptures the Holy Bible & pray about it. Read them half or just a quarter of the time that you spent with "the church" I guarantee you'll get your answers🥰

@@inChristalone1960 I'm looking for that myself 😊 I looked for a "true church" 40 yrs thought I found one, but they started to feel "demanding" st first it was "just ask Jesus into your heart" (I did this in 1969 in between my baptism & confirmation) then they started asking to get baptized. God has guided me since 1978 (not because of the "blacks getting the priesthood" , my court was supposed to be held the day they announced this revelation from "God" truly it was a revelation from the IRS 😂 like I said you're probably exhausted from scriptures but do pray in earnest look at the facts as you knew them growing up as well as the "revelations" your told recently, discern & common sense will show you your truth. The American Indians are very disturbed by what the BOM teaches DNA proves there's no Hebrew blood in them. I (personally) believe Joseph Smith did have a vision but I was taught he saw Jesus & John the Baptist in his 1st vision. He was a young boy wanting his family back reunited as it had been before what did Jesus say? " None of these are true" so he studied the Bible & prayed then in that grove he had another vision NOT from Jesus in my mind it was satan dressed up as an angel from God. If you'd like to discuss further my name is Shelly Kay Nacht in FB send me a message along with a request 🙂 good luck & God bless you 🙏

@@SteveSmith-os5bs you'll find it hard to find anyone who has no ax to grind. Have you seen Hello Saints? I watch it because "the church" has changed so much but I don't have hours to spend on John Dehlin elf on a shelf or exmoLex these may be true stories but I don't hate my Mormon (I say Mormon because when I left that's what I was 😂😂) but they're still angry and as long as they look for angry they're gonna find it. Same with those who defend Mormonism you can't talk someone out of what the as well as their ancestors believe in. Look at what THEY went through frostbite polygamy crickets 😱🤣🤣 satan knows The Holy Bible better than anyone he's lives it!

I’m so sorry to hear that! How awful!! Hope you’re doing well now ❤️

No freebies? You need to get into a church that'll gush all over your unemployed ass.

Oh lm so sorry for the rubbish experience.the Church is perfect but some members including leaders get it so wrong.l know my Bishop would have made sure you had everything you need.Sending you love❤

My eldest brother was conned into doing the mission thing and later on became a bishop. He has told me that he got his ass reamed by a higher ranking member, stake president or something like that, for helping a family out by paying their heating bill. He has many disgusting stories about LDS, Inc., since he came to his senses and figured out that God is much bigger than the Mormon church. He has a friend who has returned to the cult who is working on him to get back into it. Why anyone would ever return to that torture chamber literally escapes me.

Hello Callie. Jesus has not given up on you. I sincerely hope your faith in God remains unshaken. Jesus did not promise us happiness on this earth. In taking the cross he joined us in our suffering, he did not banish the suffering. Jesus shows usbhow to carry our crosses, this has always been the teaching of the Catholic Church. We recognise that our goal isn't to be happy but to seek holiness. I will be praying for your good health and for you to achieve holiness in your life. May the precious blood of Jesus cover you and your family, Sancta Maria, ora pro nobis!

So sorry for that experience that is a complete failure of all things Christian. Jesus spent so much time with the disabled hurting and marginalized. Clearly they were precious to Him Very hard hearted and difficult to understand😮

Every time I get into a discussion with Mormons on these forums, they always bring up how charitable their church is. However, they never bring up the fact that they employ people to go live far away from home and be unpaid salespeople 24/7 for 2 years straight. Where in the hell is their charity in that? (and to their OWN people for cryin' out loud!)

Actually it's in the Trillions with over 100 billion just in investments savings and over 1 million acres of land.

@@stevenhenderson9005 Excellent point Steve. It's always good to see you on here bringing the truth-bombs!

@@stevenhenderson9005 I was being conservative by saying billions….I’ve met many a missionary. All good kids(elders and sisters), really thoughtful and hardworking. Earnest and caring, I’ve enjoyed their visits and lessons. But…It is truly sad that they are all being lied to and brainwashed, while they subsidize the MORMONS with their youthful blind faith and personal finances. This story of the woman’s life threatening health issues and the failure of the church to kindly assist, highlights the depth of moral corruption of the church leadership. Her testimony should be heard by all the children and their parents who make a commitment to missionary work.

@@mylesmarkson1686 well they don’t really employ the missionaries since the missionaries pay for everything including their plane ticket.

Poor Keylee. 😔

Very heartbreaking to hear the daughter's mission trials and see her Mom's pain. 😢 I love these 3 women. THEY KEEP IT REAL. ❤❤❤

And yet she decided to tell her daughter that she is leaving the church when her daughter is in a foreign country. How about you wait till she got home?

Greed. Like most cults their only goal is to make as much money and control as many people to do so as possible.

Thank you for caring about someone's child. You are a compassionate person & a true human being. There is a GOD, pretty sure he was impressed w you that day.

That’s so kind of you to give him food and a place to get more with his friends. That should be normal but it’s not. I bet they were so thankful for that. Hopefully they left the church. It’s horrible to starve people when the church has billions of dollars and the ability to feed their missionaries. Awful.

@@bunnylacy2097 Missionaries are on their own..."without purse of script" remember? They're on their own "faith journey".Why are you looking to interfere?

Also in Greece here. I used to see missionaries going around but not lately. And after learning what I know now about that corporate cult I was always prepared to impart some snide remarks if I saw one now. Not any more though. Now I'll just offer them food too.

Yes re the cross between Pink and Charlize Theron, So true! I immediately thought of Pink, when I started watching the video, but I can absolutely see Charlize Theron too.

Me to pink she is stunning beutiful

She is her mother not aunt

@@wandamcintosh6336 I had initially thought that Keely was her cousin, making Collette her aunt. I realised later that they are both cousins to Shelise.

@@wandamcintosh6336- The comment was referring to Shelise’s relationship w/ Keylee’s mom, Colette. They are both Shelise’s cousins & mother & daughter to each other.

Thanks for that, I will do the same

I’ve have had a number of Mormon mission kids in my home and I never offered them food because I thought they couldn’t or wouldn’t take it. Knowing what I know now, I would feed them . Poor kids.

When we see young men walking through town in dress pants, white shirts with ties, are probably Mormon boys on mission? I just assumed they were JW since I live in Arkansas and falsely assumed all Mormons lived in Utah lol since then I found there’s a Mormon temple in the very county I live in.

@@MimiDidi121 The Mormon tentacles reach far. I hear Las Vegas Nevada has tons of Mormons. I never would've thought it lol

@@MimiDidi121 yep…those are probably Mormon “kids.” The sisters dress almost the same, minus the tie and their skirts are long, shoes sensible

You are DEFINITELY not alone! So many exmos out there. Especially in Utah! If you haven’t already, check out Mormon Stories. He’s got over 1,000 interviews with people who have left

Oh my gosh I’m so sorry to hear that!!❤️

I’m so sorry that you had such a horrible experience and at a young age❤.

I'm so very sorry you went through that. I have no words. I hope in time you can heal a little. I know it'll always be with you, but I sincerely hope you can work through what happened to you. Sending love and respect. ❤

I was raped by a church member and I was told to practice forgiveness and keep being his friend, just so he could do it again, then I was punished for “having sex” outside of marriage but nothing ever happened to him, that’s when I left

We think we live in this great country where people who do wrong are punished. If that were really true, We wouldn't need superheroes. I'm the person who would kill someone who attacked my friend, even if it meant my life. So I don't understand how these men could think even for one minute that what they've done is OK.

Yeah, it was completely mishandled.

When I was a missionary, I had a health issue that seemed serious at first. A fellow missionary called the mission office. The mission President was leading a large meeting when the call came in, which he halted and devoted full focus to getting me transported to the mission office, and getting me treated. I had uninterrupted contact w my parents until it was resolved, and access to high quality medical consultation despite being far from western standard care hospital. The reality is that the quality of mission presidents can vary. Almost certainly, her mission President was not from the US. This was not how it should have been handled. Mission areas have pretty exceptionally credentialed MDs called to deal with these situations. I knew one who served from my ward invented a procedure now the world standard. Not clear how the on-call physician wasn’t better on top of this. The people involved are human and make mistakes. Given that the church has 50-60k young missionaries serving all around the world, mistakes will occur, but this story is an outlier.

Well then. I guess the church is true. Umm...wait.@@travisjones3794

It all depends on the mission president. They get penalized if too many missionaries leave. Also the church is less willing to let men leave the mission early than women

Did he come back??

@@oxin1099 oh yes he called his mom when he figured out who & where he was (2 weeks beyond his return date) she sent him a plane ticket he came home. Had his "welcome home" Sacrament meeting 3 weeks later. They considered him no longer "set apart" as soon as he got on the plane so family could hug when he got home. This was in 1980-82 & last I heard he's still a member but not active.🤗

If you are Mormon you can’t have coffee?

@@skyjust828 I'm so happy to hear that, I was worried that he didnt get to go home

I’m so sorry to hear that! Hope you’re doing better now!

How so?

​​​@@nobodysbaby5048Let me try to paint a picture by recounting a couple of my experiences. I've been home from my mission for several years, though, so some memories are a little hazy. I was called to the Ecuador Guayaquil South Mission, but because my visa was not ready by the time I finished at the MTC (missionary training center - I was there for six weeks), I served my first transfer in Los Angeles instead. The communication around this was horrible - basically non-existent, really. I only found out I had been reassigned because the mission listed on my online missionary portal changed. Once in Los Angeles, I was very anxious because I had no idea what was going to happen to me - when or if I would make it to Ecuador - and because I was fresh in the field. I guess word got out that I was stressed , because one day, my companions (I was in a trio) drove me to talk to... someone. I wasn't sure who. The situation was not explained to me - and it wasn't a language barrier because we were still in America, speaking English. Once the meeting with that someone started, however, her purpose became pretty clear. She was trying to assess my mental wellbeing, I imagined, to determine if I could handle going abroad or not. This sent me a message loud and clear: if I wanted to go to Ecuador (and I did), I had to be okay. I wasn't allowed to have a hard time. So I said I was fine. I had not been told I was to be evaluated, they just did it. I later found out that my visa had been ready almost the entire time I had been in Los Angeles and rather than tell me that, they left me to wonder what the heck was gonna happen to me for the next year and a half. So I made it to Ecuador. My mission was pretty strict. "Exact obedience" was taken very seriously. There was no privacy or freedom. Sometimes, on p-days (our days off), when we were hanging around the apartment and I was mentally, physically, and socially exhausted, I would take my Bible to the bedroom to read and relax. My companion told me that was inappropriate because we had to be in the same room. I kept a journal to write down my feelings and experiences, but I was allotted so little time that the effort to keep up was causing more stress than it was alleviating. I once had a fellow missionary admit to me that she had been assigned to me during exchanges (when we switch companions for a day) so she could spy on me and report back how I was doing. They probably meant well, but if they want to know, if they want to help... earn my trust and ASK me, don't spy on me! So there I was, in a foreign country I wasn't familiar with, speaking a language I barely understood, surrounded by other missionaries who didn't speak my language, and I felt utterly alone, stripped of all coping mechanisms and feeling unable to trust anyone. I remembered the message I had been taught: I'm not allowed to have a hard time. Let's fast-forward a year. I'd been gritting my teeth through it this whole time, trying to keep tears to a minimum because I was ashamed. But of course I couldn't always keep my dark feelings hidden from my companions because I was never allowed to be in a different room from them, even at home. I was afraid word would get out and I'd be seen as a broken missionary. A piece of work. The one a stronger missionary would be sent to fix. Worse, what if they sent me home a failure? One day, I cracked under the stress. I locked myself in the bathroom at church and cried. I couldn't stop. My companion couldn't get me out until she proposed we return to our apartment. So I locked myself in the apartment bathroom and cried. My companion called the mission president. She asked if we could have a break from proselytizing so I could rest and recover. He said no. We went back out there. Later that day, the branch president (the man in charge of the local congregation) pulled us aside and told me I couldn't cry in front of people. It made us look bad. Of course, there wasn't a time when I was allowed to not be around people, so I couldn't cry ever... I wasn't allowed to have a hard time. Missionaries aren't treated as humans. And as set up for failure as I was, I was terribly ASHAMED of myself. Because I had a hard time. To this day, I think I would have trouble looking at people from that period of my life in the eye. I still can't admit it to my family. TLDR; I was given no time, space, or ability to cope with working 24/7 with people I didn't know in a country I didn't know, speaking a language I didn't know. I felt broken, I was overwhelmed with shame, and I had no one and nothing to turn to. The mission had immediately taught me that if anyone found out how I really felt, they would know I wasn't good enough to be there. This lesson was reinforced every time I let the facade slip.

What a sad story. I hope things are better for you now.

@@sinSARAHty Wow, that's an introvert's nightmare.

Hi Sarah! Welcome to C2C! I bet that was very isolating! I grew up in tremonton utah 😜

My poor mother grew up in Heber City. She was one of two nonmormons total in her school. She was constantly singled out, & finally her parents went to the state Dept. of education or whatever entity it was. One of her teachers was forced to apologize to her. This was in the late 40s, early '50s. Terribly isolating.

😂😂😂

I had 2 kids by the time I was 19, and my US army husband and I were stationed overseas during the Cold War. I had to leave the babies in their car carriers while we checked the car for bomb wires, each time, before we started the car. It was very stressful hiding during anti-American matches, we had to be in lockdown and when the Chernobyl nuclear fall out cloud went over our house when I was pregnant. I literally *HATE* the Mormon cult now.

I got married seven days after I turned 19, to the guy I helped guilt into a mission that he hated. We shouldn’t have been dating, let alone married. Two years of awful for both of us and I booted him out. He was remarried to another Molly Mormon in less than a year. I resigned from the church the week after made him leave.

I got married at 16 my husband was 19 we just celebrated 42 years together we both are born again Christian. I’m glad these two ladies found out the truth about Mormons lots of false teachings out there. Jesus is the answer !

@@lorettataylor9902 while I’m glad thst worked out for you that’s REALLLLLLLLYY rare for a teen especially when you were legally a child !

Tal Bachman (songwriter and drummer) served in Argentina. He was ministering to native peoples in rural areas and living in bad living conditions. He made it back too. But they had to drink mosquito infested and polluted water, and experienced health problems and a corrupt government.

@@scottbrandon6244 I thought of Tal when the above poster made his comment. IIRD, Tal said that he and a companion had to sleep in a tree one night to avoid wild animals.

​@@scottbrandon6244 yeah rural areas here are kind of a disaster. It's a huge problem the government doesn't solve

Seriously the best coolest supportive mom! All very lucky to have each other

I wish she was my mother. I had to leave my family behind in my cult that I walked away from.

I agree. I just want a hug from her! haha. I don't have any family left and lost my mom to addiction, I've never had a strong family bond with my immediate family and they all seem like the most lovely, sweet, genuine people.

I agree with you that they are doubly lively!

@@mylesmarkson1686 lol, I edited one to “lovely” so good catch

@@DeathValleyDazed I agree with your edit as well, so you're welcome!

Heh, see what you did there.😆

And this is partly why I hardly ever took my eyes off my kids during primary classes. I walled the halls, looking through the door to make sure they were okay every few minutes. I dreaded Sundays. And we were with them in nursery. I don't trust people when they haven't been background checked.

Ugh that is disturbing!

I grew up in the church. I was a TBM till age 50, and I started studying the life of Joseph Smith. My career was in law enforcement as a Correctional Officer, Sergeant, and Parole Officer. I remember noticing that accounts of brother Joseph had a lot of similar traits to a number of inmates and offenders I had worked with. He was very much a narsasist and not much empathy for others.

Your "shelf" was always on the floor. No testimony, no loyalty, no sense of redemption or forgiveness. Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.

@@johnlee1352 I don’t know what happened that you are so mad at them. But one thing I know for sure is that you should be ashamed to call yourself a Mormon. Aren’t you supposed to love unconditionally? I think you should go repent real’ quick.

Unfortunately the laws are all on the side of religion, so I doubt it'll work.

What a horrible story about the problem with your back. Such terrible treatment you received. You went through hell and how inhuman your superiors were. Good health to you

Thank you! Welcome to C2C! I’m so happy you got out sooner than later! Those rabbit holes are DEEP

Thanks for watching!

Aww thank you so much! I really appreciate that. Congrats on your healing journey and also your decision to heal others! My mom lives in St George! You should reach out on her IG @spiritofottertail

@@CultstoConsciousness you're welcome, I will look into contacting your mother. Namaste

There are thousands of stories of people who’ve left on Mormon Stories (KZfaq) and as a podcast.

Is this a church or a cult? sounds like a cult

I can't imagine what that must feel like, to be taught shame like that and to be taught that it's the voice of god. I deal with some mental health issues and have struggled with intensely persistent negative thoughts...but I never had to deal with the people guiding me validating those harmful thoughts. That's such a cruel thing to purposefully inflict. I'm sorry you went through that but I'm glad you got out and have been able to recognize what those thoughts are. I think people in general frequently view shame as a good motivator. But, really, shame mostly just wears you down and hurts you.

You also get better medical care and can at least go to the VA if you are broken. The Church has no interest in your post-mission care.

Not to mention I had so much more freedom in the military than they are describing

And you don’t pay the military for the privilege of being there

I’ve heard that missions are WORSE than military boot camp! It’s almost like a voluntary kidnapping.

I’d like to hear the rest of Keylie’s health journey.

How can they both be her cousins? Wouldn’t the mom be her aunt?

@@lisalarouge6309olette might be her mum’s cousin, so then that’s her second cousin and her daughter would be her second cousin once removed. So it’s easier to just say cousins ☺️

Thank you so much!

The mission leader??? That's so gross, especially considering his position of authority over her 😬

Right? Perv

@@luver3 eewww 🤢 that really is gross.

Thanks for watching!

Great point!

Another great point is that mother is extremely selfish and entitled, she couldn’t just wait for daughter to return to drop the news, no she gave that huge mental struggle to her daughter while she was in foreign country struggling physically already

Hi Janet! Wow that’s a lot. Thanks for sharing! And thank you for providing a safe space for them. ❤️

I love so much that they said “We don’t believe, but it is totally fine if you do, you’re our daughter and we love you.” Just so wholesome

She might not want coffee. I hear the best coffee is in your area but (I've been an "ex Mormon" 45 yrs) many ex Mormons never enjoy coffee. Most DO learn to like Coke -a-cola👍🤣🤣

​@@skyjust828 The "national" energy drink down here is "mate" :-) I am not the biggest fan, but with a little sugar, it is wonderful! It's more of a social ritual than just a drink. Mate is an invitation to long hours of shared moments and chats with friends. Come to think of it, I never asked any Mormon down here if the church had any position on weather Mate is a sin or not. They probably think it is. Coffee and tea, are getting a lot of good options nowadays, with specialty shops and so on. Argentina does not grow much coffee, we do not have the proper climate for it. Anyhow, you get my meaning. She had it so rough down here, and I cannot believe they treated her that way... its a shame. It should have been a chance for Keylee to have a great time, meet new people and enjoy beautiful places. Maybe she can take a chance on us down here in the future!

The problem is the church (profit institution) someone need to expose what they do and ask the JUSTICE to stop them. It's is HUMAN ABUSE!

@@acrediteounao777 I don't think they could just "shut them down" it's like a drug you've been hooked on since birth your ancestors were hooked on 😢 the government (I hope & think) is finally getting wise. They have FINALLY forgotten what L. Ron Hubbard (Scientology) did to them with the tax-free thing when that happened is when the Mormons "had a visit from God" & allowed blacks to join the priesthood. Now the government has given half million dollars fine it's a drop in the bucket but it's a start🙏👍😁

It’s all about the money. The church doesn’t want to pay for a missionary to see a doctor.

Thank you so much!

They are an inspirational couple for sure!

This detail of the story is actually what I found most convincing. I believe God was showing them out together so they could love and support each other through their next chapter. The book of Galatians helped me to sort after leaving the SDA church and it might also be helpful for those leaving Mormonism.

😂😂😂 thank you!