If anyone here is looking to do their own research on this film. Here's every source used in the making of this video 06/25/2007 Sam Raimi doesn’t know if he’ll return web.archive.org/web/20211026201329/www.mtv.com/news/1563359/sam-raimi-may-not-helm-spider-man-4-wants-electro-vulture-as-villains-if-he-does/ Oct, 16 2007 Sony and Sam Raimi meet with different writers who pitch their ideas for the next Spider-Man film. www.superherohype.com/features/95055-sam-raimi-on-spider-man-4-and-the-shadow Oct 19th, 2007 Raimi states that he’ll have less of a role in the crafting of Spider-man 4’s story. Raimi, served as a writer for spiderman 3 and likely after its poor reception, opted to take the back seat when it comes to writing the next film www.theguardian.com/film/2007/oct/19/news www.digitalspy.com/movies/a77945/raimi-i-want-new-spider-man-vision/ James Vanderbuilt is signed on to write the script for the film. www.empireonline.com/movies/news/james-vanderbilt-write-spider-man-4/ June 6, 2008 Raimi has discussions with James Vanderbuilt about the script. Says he hopes he loves it and hopes sony will let him direct it if it's right. www.google.com/amp/s/www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/45727-sam-raimi-talks-spider-man%3Famp June 21, 2008 The Los Angeles Times reports that “Spider-Man” franchise producer Laura Ziskin said the fourth installment is tentatively scheduled to hit theaters on May 6th 2011. Ziskin added that the screenplay is not finished yet, but that she and Sony Pictures were hopeful Spider-Man 4 could be ready in three years’ time. www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/company-town-blog/story/2008-06-20/spider-man-4-aiming-for-may-2011-release September 5, 2008: Raimi and Tobey sign on to adapt vanders script. web.archive.org/web/20210926102904/deadline.com/2008/09/exclusive-sony-sets-sam-raimi-studio-may-shoot-4-and-5-at-same-time-6868/ October 16, 2008 Raimi has yet to receive the script and is still waiting. At this point he is unaware of who the villain is. He does tease the possibility of lizard appearing eventually but he’s still unsure whether he’ll be in this film www.firstshowing.net/2008/sam-raimi-chats-spider-man-4-and-lizard-possibility/ OCT. 30, 2008, David Lindsay-Abaire is brought in to rewrite vanders script www.slashfilm.com/501201/pulitzer-prize-winner-david-lindsay-abaire-to-write-spider-man-4/ Release date web.archive.org/web/20090918150250/splashpage.mtv.com/2009/03/12/marvel-movies-get-new-release-dates-thor-the-avengers-unchanged Todd black talks about the villain web.archive.org/web/20090608141551/blogs.nypost.com/movies/archives/2009/06/exclusive_spide.html JUL 08, 2009, Gary Ross is brought in to once again rewrite the script. collider.com/gary-ross-re-writing-spider-man-4/ Aug, 16, 2009, Marvel and Columbia hire James Vanderbilt to write Spider-Man 5 and 6th. web.archive.org/web/20100625050426/www.variety.com/article/VR1118007333.html?categoryid=13&cs=1 when filming will start web.archive.org/web/20091011045931/splashpage.mtv.com/2009/10/09/exclusive-sam-raimi-hopes-to-start-shooting-spider-man-4-in-march-2010/ Raimi says he wants to go back to basics with the film. Embrace what made the first two films so great. web.archive.org/web/20091018080347/blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/10/sam-raimi-promises-spider-man.html December 11th, 2009: Sony sends out 2 emails to the vfx crew telling them that production has been postponed deadline.com/2010/01/exclusive-spider-man-4-officially-has-no-start-date-as-of-today-because-of-script-problems-sony-unlikely-to-make-5112010-release-date-21287/ deadline.com/2010/01/spider-man-4-vfx-crew-encouraged-to-look-for-other-work-21456/#comments January 11, 2010 Spider-Man 4 canceled web.archive.org/web/20160304100822/www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/spider-man-4-scrapped-reboot-19365 Sam Raimi and Dylan Baker have had discussions about ver The Lizard appearing in a sequel. They hope it woukd be in thr near futire www.ign.com/articles/2007/01/23/exclusive-lizard-leapin-into-spidey-4 Sam Raimi thinks the lizard's story will be told one day. But it’s unlikely he’ll appear in Spider-Man 4 www.firstshowing.net/2008/sam-raimi-chats-spider-man-4-and-lizard-possibility/ Grant curtis a producer for Spider-Man 3 stated that he’d love to see lizard as the villainweb.archive.org/web/20070927224542/www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=2127 THURSDAY, MAY 29, 2008 Stan Lee states that he would love to see lizard appear. Fueling fans wanting him to appear. spiderman-4-trailer.blogspot.com/2008/05/spiderman-4-stan-lee-wants-lizard.html?m=1 A report from the site market saw claimed that Lizard would be the main antagonist of the film. marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/10/exclusive-spider-man-4-will-have-only.html?m=1 Sam Raimi explains how they’re approaching the villain of the next film. screenrant.com/sam-raimi-discusses-spiderman-4-villains/ A report released that John M and Anne Hathaway will play vulture and Black Cat. Apparently, web.archive.org/web/20091213005246/www.movieline.com:80/2009/12/exclusive-spider-man-4-circling-john-malkovich-anne-hathaway.php?page=all Fans weren’t very supportive of the vulture as the villain including Johns casting www.firstshowing.net/2009/john-malkovich-to-play-the-villain-vulture-in-spider-man-4/ www.firstshowing.net/2009/in-defense-the-case-for-vulture-as-a-spider-man-4-villain/ Ann Hathaway is looked at for Black Cat web.archive.org/web/20210925000520/deadline.com/2009/11/anne-hathaway-wanted-for-spider-man-4-18905/ It was rumored that Ann Hathaway would be playing a new character named the vulturess. The daughter of the vulture screenrant.com/spider-man-4-villains-john-malkovich-vulture-anne-hathaway-vulturess/ Rough outline of her arc: web.archive.org/web/20091227015512/www.heyuguys.co.uk/2009/11/10/hug-exclusive-black-cat-confirmed-story-details web.archive.org/web/20091213120757/www.slashfilm.com/2009/11/10/new-source-confirms-black-cat-for-spider-man-4-more-story-details-revealed/#disqus_thread Rumors of black cats' involvement emerge. With actress Rachel McAdams being considered for the role. web.archive.org/web/20091112114126/www.mania.com/spiderman-4-villain-revealed_article_118760.html Actress romala Garao auditioned for a female role. Likely black cat. web.archive.org/web/20091113055923/www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2009/nov/08/my-week-romola-garai Rachel mcadams and Sony denies the casting screenrant.com/spider-man-4-rachel-mcadams-denies-black-cat-rumor/ John Malkovitch confirms rumors of playing vulture screenrant.com/john-malkovich-confirms-vulture-in-spider-man-4/ Sony and Raimi clash over the villain of the film web.archive.org/web/20160209212346/www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/spider-man-4-delayed-over-19160 Rumors of morlun as the main villain www.cinemablend.com/new/Exclusive-Spider-Man-4-Villain-Revealed-4739.html Due to these disagreements about the villain, the film would be delayed and production would halt until the issue was dealt with. web.archive.org/web/20100114022603/iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7951:spider-man-4-production-on-indefinite-hold&catid=43:exclusive-features&Itemid=73 Raimi wanted the vulture to be terrifying gizmodo.com/spider-man-4-storyboards-reveal-iconic-villains-and-hug-1779949984 web.archive.org/web/20091227015512/www.heyuguys.co.uk/2009/11/10/hug-exclusive-black-cat-confirmed-story-details Storyboards: www.planethenderson.com/spiderman4 Animatic; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n5xmlZerttDHYGQ.html www.superherohype.com/features/98981-michael-papajohn-returning-for-spider-man-4

I had no idea that Sony forced black cat into Spider-Man 4 just like they forced Venom into Spider-Man 3

Peter cheating on MJ with Felicia really would've hurt the character after Spider-Man 3

I think the most we can hope for is that we one day get a comic made from Raimi's script, something like Batman '89 or Superman' 78 that continues the story.

Spider-Man 4's cancellation remains as one of the most deeply disappointing revelations that I still remember from my younger years. Everytime I watch one of these History of Spider-Man 4 videos, it's like I'm seeing a dream wish slowly wither away. As the hope for the 4th and potentially "the best Spider-Man" from the early 2008/2009 stage is overshadowed by the inevitability of Sony and Sam Raimi's disagreements leading to a reboot gradually looming over. Excellent coverage as always, Fist! Very insightful information and all stylishly edited together.

I would've liked to see Raimi's version of Vulture. He made Sandman work. I like Black Cat but I don't think she was needed. Maybe for the Amazing Spider Man or MCU.

Spider-Man 4 should have been simple, the Lizard and Kraven... Basically the plot they used in the Spider-Man 3 video game, where Curt turns into Lizard, and Kraven decides to hunt him, while Spider-Man gets in the way trying to protect his mentor. Throw in Kraven's Last Hunt aspects, replace Vermin with Lizard, and you got a winner.

I’ve seen a lot of Spider-Man 4 videos before but this video shines a light on a lot of details I wasn’t aware of. Had no idea that Black Cat was forced into the film.

Man, this whole thing was wild back then. I remember very specifically that John Malkovich mentioned in an interview that he was going to play the Vulture and like one or two hours later the reboot was announced. It's annoying how Sony's meddling was what caused Raimi to be unhappy with the scripts, considering their meddling was what caused Spider-Man 3 to be such a mess.

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Interestingly enough though, a lot of these ideas ended up being used in later Spider-Man movies. The villain that people wanted to see, the Lizard, ended up being used in the Amazing Spider-Man, while the Vulture, the villain Sam Raimi wanted, came to life in Spider-Man Homecoming, where he was reinvented as a more intimidating character than he was in the comics, and for that matter was also revealed to be the father of one of Peter's love interests. Also, the thing with Bruce Campbell's minor characters being revealed as Mysterio sort of happened in Spider-Man Far From Home where Mysterio and his team were revealed to have been in the background in several previous movies in the same franchise. Plus, Tobey Maguire even made a return in Spider-Man No Way Home.

Raimi should've written the script himself after not being satisfied by others scripts. Yea I know that he kinda lost his confident after SM3 but even tho with all it's flaws SM3 got it's heart in the right place. Characters makes mistakes, faces consequences and learns from it. This is all because of Raimi, his love to make a good movie. I'm sure Raimi could've written a good SM4 script if not the best perfect one.

damn the fact SpiderMan 4 could’ve came out exactly on my birthday is kinda sad to think of😔

A reboot wasn't even a bad idea. But then Sony fumbled EVERYTHING to do with TASM franchise. To the point where they had to admit defeat & give up.

Raimai said he'd Love to make Spider-man 4 with all the original actors

I'm honestly surprised Sam wasn't planning to do the Lizard next. He's one of Spider-Man's oldest enemies and he was clearly familiar with the character. He had already established Dr. Connors in 2 & 3 with the missing arm and all so he must've had SOME plans for him in the future. The Lizard's origin is a very tragic and human story and the character has enough horror elements that it seems like he'd be right up Raimi's alley!

Would’ve loved to have seen this. Hopefully we do get a raimi and Maguire Spider-Man 4 someday

Not sure if it was intentional, but Vulture/Black Cat ark from abrupt script mentioned in this video sounds similar to what we saw with Norman and Harry in the first two movies: 1) Peter have special relentionship with the child of the main antagonist 2) Antagonist hesitate to kill Peter after revelation that he was Spider-Man yet then snap back and continue pursuit 3) In the final fight with Peter antagonist get mortally wounded by accident with part of his own equipment 4) Child of antagonist seek revenge for the death of his/her father wrongfully thinking that it was Spider-Man who killed him 5) Child unite forces with another villain to kill Spider-Man Guess that was one of the reasons why this script didn't work out - it sounded too reminicant of what we allready saw in the franchise yet put in one movie

I wish someone would write a Spider-Man 4 comic based on what we know about it. I’d buy it

Even with the limited information we have of the plot, the plot itself sounds god awful. Jameson being replaced by Toomes as the editor of the Daily Bugle doesn’t sit right with me and Felicia Hardy being the Vulture’s daughter is just unsettling. Michael Papajohn returning again is an unnecessary retread of the origin story, which we don’t need, and makes no sense since his character is supposed to be dead. Peter cheating on MJ with Black Cat after everything Peter and MJ went through in the original trilogy is outright character assassination, it is by far the worst creative choice that was in the plot. This is NOT how Black Cat should be integrated in the story. Hearing all these plot details explains why Raimi reportedly hated the script drafts that were proposed. It’s no wonder Raimi backed out and decided to not make the movie. If this movie had happened with these creative choices, it would have ruined the Raimiverse’s legacy. Spider-Man 3 had a lot of problems and was despised for the first few years of being released, people only started softening on the movie around 2014 onwards. Spider-Man 4 would have been ten times worse than Spider-Man 3. I hate to say this, but I’m glad that Spider-Man 4 was cancelled. It was the best decision that Raimi could have made in such a messy situation, and on the bright side, we still got some kind of continuation of the Raimiverse in No Way Home. Tobey was only in No Way Home as a supporting character with 10 minutes of screen time, and we were given very little information about his life after Spider-Man 3. But we were lucky to have him back because bringing back actors for a character that’s been rebooted is only a recent development, and what we got was better than nothing. For so many years I thought Spider-Man 3 was the last we’d ever see of Tobey in the role and that the ship had forever sailed. I am so thankful Tobey returned for the role 14 years later.

the fact rose mary harris is still alive today and that weve been robbed of 15 years of Tobey Maguire Spiderman movies is fucking abysmal

I remember those early rumours that Lizard, Hobgoblin and Carnage were going to be the villains of Spider-Man 4.

2:16 I thought this dude was singing a song lmao. Dope vid tho, this series has been pretty interesting

at 2:18 i thought he was about to start singing

I like how Sony fucked up Spider-Man 3 by adding dumb things and meddling but proceed to do the same for future movies that end up being trash

I used to think The Amazing Spider-Man was Spider-Man 4 when I was younger 💀💀💀

2:17 I thought he was rapping XD

Spider-Man 3 had a few serious issues, but it still had some really solid parts. It was pretty good. But 2.0 will always be best

Spider-Man 3 wasn't perfect, but it seems like a reasonable point to end the series. Peter overcomes personal flaws, loses his best friend, fights two antagonists at once (one of which is one of his stronger villains), etc. Going from that to a fight with the Vulture would've felt like a bit of de-escalation.

As a kid I definitely would have wanted Carnage to appear in the film. But now as an adult that purely wants things to serve the story, I think the Vulture would have been a bettter fit more suited to the feel of the Raimi films. Of course I still like things that look cool on screen, and it would have made for some really cool and visually interesting aerial combat scenes. As for Black Cat, it would be neat as a love story, but nothing ruins a creators vision and story telling ability more than studio meddling. I feel her parts would feel really out of place since she was allegedly forced into the script.

thank you for this even more in-depth analysis video of spider-man 4 I appreciate all your work man keep it up!

I feel like another reason why SM4 didn't happen was likely because of the very mix reactions of SM3. Which maybe likely regretted him making it, to hating of what he created. He probably lost his confidence in himself to write another Spider Man movie in fear of the 4th one being even worse or something. To be honest it shows that he cares about making a good story than doing it for the money. Or at least that's just my guess I could be wrong.

Great video and I know it won't happen but Raimi recently said if he did Spider-Man 4 now he would set it after No Way Home and use Kraven as the villain.

bro,,, I never ever comment on videos. but the song you put on in the background is smooth asf

I love that you go through this much trouble. I remember the issues, Anne Hathaway and the original choice for goblin John malcovich, but raimi didn't like 3 so he was def gonna be stringent ab 4

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Something I would of loved to see out of Spider-Man 4 is the supernatural side of the character, I think it would’ve been cool to see Raimies horror shine, like what if this movie is about Spider-Man paying for his sins. What if Doc Ock returned as a horror zombie/monster, Lizard, Vulture and other villains creating a sinister 6. I would love to see a Spider-Man film with the vibe of the Evil Dead movies.

Sadly, the public was not ready for spider-man 3 back then.

Vulture has been in the spiderman 1 video game and was in web of shadows pretty dumb for sony to consider vulture lame. Guess some spiderman fans are pretty toxic also that made no sense carnage can not come venom died in spiderman 3.

Bro just found your channel, but this montage leaves me amazed. It will be interesting to see 4th Spiderman concept, because I never gave this materials a chance, because for me it is just impossible to have any spiderman movie after Venom appeared, especially if next villain is Vulture

I just wanna say thank you for making this video it's the most well researched video about Spider-Man 4 i thoroughly enjoyed it very impressive man

Here's a simple idea, that should work well, I think: Dr. Connors turns himself into a lizard, he is now stalking the streets of New York and killing people, Peter fails to aprehend him, but is still determined to find a cure for him. Then Punisher comes into the picture, he decides to hunt down and kill the Lizard before he hurts more people. There is a lot of character conflict in here, Spider-man vs Punisher on the no-kill rule where Peter wants to save Connor which is potentially putting other people in danger and Punisher who is determined to finish off the Lizard and prevent further people from getting hurt + A conflict of interest for Spider-man where is letting his personal attachment to Dr. Connors get in the way of him dealing with the Lizard and saving people. If it's not possible to get Punisher, because of some right's, you can make it Kraven.

What warms my heart is the fact that Spider-Man 4 technically is real. It was revived in form of Spider-Man: Homecoming that has a lot of aforementioned concepts of SM4 (Vulture as the main antagonist, his daughter being involved in the plot)

Honestly he should have done the lizard since he was building the character up for 2 movies and could have added kraven the hunter for the secondary villain, I could think of multiple ideas how that would have worked (except the fact that they were both featured in the 3rd game).

EXCELLENT VIDEO!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!

You deserve way more subs man!

i remember reading about spider-man 4 rumors so many years ago, i remember being a kid reading about the cancellation of the film. I would watch youtube videos with fake spider-man 4, 5 and 6 trailers, they would feature Carnage sometimes with Jim Carrey fan-casted as Cletus Cassidy. What a trip down memory lane

Watching the script from this video unfold I would’ve hoped Sam raimi made a Spider-Man 4 but that would sadly not happen

John Malkovic would have been amazing to play vulture

RIP Laura ziskin

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I still rather get a lie from someone who i love than get a lie from the famous studio who already gives high hope to thousands of people.

Well, at least we got that MCU film that brought Tobey back. 😒 Who knows, maybe someone will pick SM4 up again after it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

everytime i see one of ur vids i think u have something like 200-300k subs and am baffled when i see that 19k lmao

Bro sounds like he’s rapping over those beats

God I love this channel

2:16 I thought you were singing the next 30 seconds of your script

well presented video ! I can see that you placed in alot of effort to make this ! well done 👍

I’m dead at Sam hating all 3 scripts 😂

The only thing I did not know originally about Spider-Man 4 before I saw this video was about Peter being evicted from his apartment since the building was considered unsafe. Before it mentioned the unsafe part in the video, I thought the guy was going to say it was because Peter was late with his rent.

Looking back to it,my thoughts were 'it would've been cool to have this', but I'm glad the story had it's conclusion in Spiderman:No Way Home.

This is unrelated to the vid but I’d love to see you do a vid on hulk 2003

Hello WarpingFist! I really enjoyed your Spider-Man videos and all the unused concepts! I was wondering if maybe you could make an unused concept art video for the Insomniac Spider-Man games! Since you actually have done videos for video games for Batman, so why not for Spider-Man! P.S. I’ve never actually seen those videos because I’m not too into Batman and I knew because of the thumbnails and the titles of the videos

I've been a fan of the channel for a while, and I've been wondering, what are the backing tracks you use? They're really good.

Do a two part video about Spider-Man 5 and Spider-Man 6

Vulture would be so cool in the raimi movies but it's cancelled which okay for me

judging from the script with peter goes to back to cheating on MJ again, (because apparently he still hasn't learned his lesson) I'm kinda glad in way they didn't release 4 so soon. It just sounds like a big regression to his character and defeats what makes him stand out. TBH its kinda hard to tell Peter's life after 3, 3 ended the way it was. There's no reason to add more love triangle tier stories into the mix again. It would feel so repetitive having to watch it all unfold again. I did see where they were coming from with vulture and vultress though. Even if it is a rehash of Harry/Norman, I'd be a little ok with that probably.

Honestly the only thing I dont like about that story line is Felicia being Vultures daughter and Vulture taking over the Bugle. If it had Vulture, Black Cat, and Kraven in the movie that would have been something.

Why didn't Raimi just write the Script himself if he hated all of the other scripts then?

Is homie spitting bars? When the beat drops?

honestly this sounds badass

Do you think you could make an Unused concepts video of the 2008 incredible hulk? This would be sick!

It's sad that the film wasn't made

js hearing what could have been spider man 4 makes me feel some type of way cus i was waiting for that it to come out

Hey can you do a video on spiderman web of shadows 🙏🙂

Where did you get the picture at 20:50 that would be a cool one to have as a poster

Sam Raimi announced that he wants to direct Spider-Man 4 after the successful Spider-Man: No Way Home but I have doubts..... We'll see though because I had doubts of Tobey and Andrew's return

5:07 Morbius

You were kinda flowing on the beat at the beginning of history, and Spider-Man 3 rhymed with immediately, these are some unintentional bars but bars nonetheless.

While you mentioned that there were talks to make another trilogy with Spider-Man 4, 5 and 6, Sam Raimi himself denied these plans. The intention was to instead make the 4th movie and if things went well, then a 5th film would've been considered and afterwards, Sony would've reboot the series with new actors. However overtime, they really started to idea of a reboot the further SM4 went to pre production. I also found old articles that Eliza Dushku was also considered for Black Cat (who previously auditioned for MJ back in the original movie.)

Spider-Man 3's ending always confused me as a kid, it was so weirdly open-ended and definitely didn't feel like a closing to the trilogy. Of course that all made sense when I found out there was supposed to be a fourth. It was nice to see Tobey's Spidey again in No Way Home, if only because I didn't like how they originally ended his story.

i'm so sick of the vulture getting the splot light cause he is a cheap villain to make a movie around, like why is the public supporting this garbo character?

It’s interesting how Anne Hathaway was looked at to be Black Cat and she ended up being Catwoman in The Dark Knight Rises. I’m sure she would have been a great Black Cat, but I’m glad she was Catwoman as she did an incredible job. Plus she said in an interview that she always wanted to play Catwoman and so she got to fulfill this dream she had and she knocked it out of the park. I’d say things worked out for Hathaway in the end.

I really want to see this

Thank god vulture is now not looked as a fool, homecoming version was great

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as long as there is a script and at least some scenes shot than they can make a short film or at least a book of it

Too bad, but for the better

I found this man by complete accident because I love venom and spiderman 3 concepts

2:17 I though he was about to start singing 😂

one day we'll have such powerful ai that we can create these movies with whatever characters or actors

If you think about it if Spider-Man 4 wasn't canceled The amazing Spider-Man wouldn't existed and we wouldn't have gotten that scene in no way home

Spider-Man had great writing with sandman so if he was the only villain in the movie and raimi wasn't forced to use Venom it probably would have been my favourite film.

Hey dude i know this comment is a bit out of context but i would love it if u give it a read. I have been following your content for some time now and i have to say that you're doing an amazing job at it. It's a very unique type of videos u cover that i am really intrigued by. Not everyone covers canceled shows and movies and u do it so nicely with every information i just love it. What i specifically follow you for is your sense of positive criticism. Unlike a lot of other creators on this platform you don't blandly hate on a particular representation of a character if it's a bit different from the source material but rather respectfully admire it's good points while criticizing it's bad. I watch your video on all the Batman and really liked your take on what is my favourite Batman aka Ben Affleck and how nicely u covered it. Just wanna say god bless and i hope you reach to your goal soon.

I was all down with the plot (especially with some of the recent plot details that, somewhat, contradicted your plot) until the whole “Spider-Man accidentally kills Vulture halfway through so that Felicia can become the main villain as Vultress” idea is just where it lost me. I personally think that the movie should’ve end on bright note considering it would’ve been Raimi’s last Spider-Man film. And the Vultress idea, which was confirmed by Jeffery Henderson in a recent interview, is just pure cancer. But I think the way to fix the plot would be to look back at Raimi’s plans for Vulture in Spider-Man 3. So why not have it like this: Vulture gets knocked out in the Citicorp building fight and sent to prison instead of dying, Felicia would turn into Black Cat, break her father out of prison, and the two would work together as father and daughter to manipulate/destroy Peter’s life (that he would overcome in the end). Personally, I think that would’ve been better. You could still have Vulture as the main villain throughout and keep him just as much of a threat as before, be faithful to the comics and fans by keeping Felicia as Black Cat, and the studio could still be satisfied by having Black Cat work with another villain. But hey, that’s just the fanboy in me ranting. Side note: the Kraven idea. Raimi said that, somewhere, in the movie it would be revealed that Mr. Ditckovicth was an old retired Kraven the Hunter, but it’s highly unlikely that he would’ve been a villain in the film

As sad as it is, if Spiderman 3 had been more of a success, maybe we wouldn't have the version of Amazing Spiderman we have today, and imo that was just about almost better than Raimi's spiderman

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I had no idea sony forced black cat into spider Man 4 its just like they did in spider Man 3 with venom.

This is such a missed opportunity to right the wrongs of spider man 3 is by not letting Sony interfere with the production too much that ruined spider man 3 completely as it is today sure they are afraid to lose the rights of spider man to them back to marvel if they do not make more movies of him to attain him themselves but still they could have at least stayed calm and let Sam raimi do his best work on a spider man movie that would wow the audience and critics alike just like spider man 2 did before.

2:18 Why did I think you were gonna sing a song