Thank you so much, Luke!

I have a few flats that I’d love Tim to mod, but I’m afraid they’re too thin to do much with.

@@thecrippledrummer What's the specs on them?

@@ReverieDrumCo the main one I’d be interested in seeing if you could mod is a 20” A Custom. I don’t know the weight of mine but they seem to all be in the 2300 gm range. I don’t know what all you’d be able to do but I’m interested in the sound of the Bosphorus Vintage Flat (if you’re familiar with that?). My other flats are also 20”s: a Paiste Sound Formula and a Bosphorus Antique series. I don’t necessarily want to mod those (the Paiste is B15).

@@thecrippledrummer yeah I’m very familiar with those cymbals. It would be pretty easy to take an a custom flat and turn it into a Bosphorus vibe.

Yeah! I totally agree! Thanks for watching.

Thank you!

Exactly! This is a great way of putting it.

Thank you!

Thank you!

To me, it's all about the way the cymbal was made. A lack of intentionality with the hammering/lathing can easily result in a lack of balance in the tension of the cymbal. This causes those gnarly notes to stick out above the rest. When a cymbal is well made, the tones are balances and create more of a blend that feels musical without being hard to control. That's generally speaking but I find it to be true in many cymbals that I modify.

Me too. That's my vibe for sure!

Seconded, would love to see this but won't be able to attend.

I think it will be videoed! At least that's my understanding. I may ask to do so if it's not. Either way, it would be great to meet ya!

@@ReverieDrumCo likewise sir, I’m pretty certain I’ll be making the pilgrimage.

True!

Yes! I have a matched set of Avedis Zildjian 14" hi hats that I bought new in 1965 which disproves a lot of common held beliefs in cymbal weights: • Contrary to the popular trend of the top being lighter in weight than the bottom cymbal, my bottom cymbal is slightly lighter than the top one (top - 710g, bottom - 685g). • The top cymbal has narrow, shallow lathing with a tall profile bell and the bottom cymbal has deep, wide lathing with a shallower profile bell. When I nest them for packing, the bottom cymbal easily "spoons" inside the top cymbal, but the top cymbal cannot "spoon" inside the bottom cymbal at all. • The bell profile is more critical to the sound than the weight, relative to the other. When I tap on each one with the tip of my stick while being held with the bell up and supported on my finger, the top cymbal sounds much brighter than the bottom one even though it is heavier. • When I reverse the cymbals on the hi hat stand and place the bottom one on top, the sound of the new “top” one now sounds deep and muted - not so musical as the actual top one. Also, the “chick” sound is not as pronounced as before. After playing these cymbals all these years, they are still like new, but have the well earned "patina" which has a satin shine. They sound especially good with brushes.

Bell size dictating the “volume ceiling” is actually a great way of putting it. Flat rides and mini cups have a cap to how loud the sustain and wash can extend. I like that!

Do you know what material it's made from?

@@ReverieDrumCo No, but i think a lot of Bronze

@@anthonyman8008 bronze is definitely workable!

@@ReverieDrumCo SWEET! Can i drill a hole in the center before you work on it? Or should i wait?

@@anthonyman8008 I would wait till I hammered the bell to drill the hole. Could you send me an email with pictures of the gong? My email is tim@reveriedrums.com.

Some of those cymbals sound incredible!

The Sound Creations that are in a good shape cost very much. The sound is not for everyone, but many cymbal holics ache for that piece of bronze, including me

@@seppoinnanen5577 definitely. Most are on the heavy side but have *that* sound that you can’t get in other cymbals (not even any current Paistes). I had a 20” Sound Creation Mellow Ride that had a tiny bell. It had that heavy flat ride tone that you heard on a lot of Danny Gottlieb’s stuff with Pat Metheny.

That's a very subjective take, but I like it! Hand technique and control are HUGE factors in all this.

I do as well! Something about thinner rides can make them come across as splashier and higher pitched than heavier ones. If you focus on the fundamental tone, however, it'll be lower.

Thx for the reply. Your channel is a godsend to a audio nerd like me. I'm a pro mixing engineer and (as I'm sure you are aware) higher/harsh cymbals often compromise what the overhead microphones pickup.@@ReverieDrumCo

I made the cymbals and the bells are the same size. However you are right! Larger bells make the biggest difference in perceived volume. This video’s focus is on weight though. I’ve got more videos coming that’ll focus on the other factors.

It’s the perspective of the cymbal on the right being closer to the camera that’s causing it to look larger.

The Versa is made of really thin stainless steel which is very different than bronze. Also in the extremes, it's true that "thin is quieter than thick", but this video deals with a more nuanced approach to cymbals already in a medium thin- thin range.

Hahah I’ll work on that! Turns out looking at the cymbals you’re talking about that the audience can’t see is not a good method… 😂

@@ReverieDrumCo I'll keep watching!

I’ve been a full-time cymbalsmith for 5 years so I’m no amateur. I also don’t care so much about talking in depth about other brands. That’s not what this channel is about. As for me “spreading trash”, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it!