Sorry bro, that's just my F3 key macro

Finally, an accurate portrayal of new player experiences.

@@CyberneticArgumentCreator that's very casual of you. My F4-F11 macros cover on how his life is miserable.

We'll get 'em next time.

You can start with Flyff universe its v new and with a decent community~

Yes please!

Agree!

That would be very kind of you indeed.

Even if i am unlikely to listen to this myself i see it as a important resource for later content creators and researchers within the field if they had access to the full interviews.

I'd love this too. Would be a joy while I work

For me, anything that can be adequately explained in an under 10 minute video (excluding educational channels like vsauce and SciShow) just isn't that interesting.

For me, anything that can be adequately explained in an under 10 minute video (excluding educational channels like vsauce and SciShow) just isn't that interesting.

Yeah there's not very many of us relatively speaking. Even fewer of us who like long-form videos that can be done is Audio Only

@@raesluder4260theirs many, hence the millions of views per video

​@ChickenJoe-tq6xd So I have to say those of us who watch hour plus long videos are already a "small" audience relative to the majority. Then add the extra layer of watching an hour plus video about a subject I have no real history with and that becomes an even smaller minority.

that's exactly the mindset you should have. keep doing it because you enjoy it and for the interactions it affords you

Respect. Loved Mabi, still in my top 3.

I spent my high school years playing mabinogi and I had a fun time. However it was mostly because of the friends I was playing with. It's good to see someone keep the game alive through their content.

I miss Mabinogi the same way an old coke fiend misses crack. It's power still lingers within me, but I can't go back to it since there's nothing there for me anymore. It'd feel like going to a bar you haven't been in for decades and seeing nobody you recognize or relate to. Feelsbadman.

Ah, man. Maginobi had some of the best ideas and so many mechanics that were fundamentally great and no one else had, though had subpar to mediocre execution/integration. Were I to pick one existing mmo to improve, it would probably be that one. Respect.

Haters

I absolutely love this video essay so far

Chef, you are the prime example of how the audience is the exact same people switching between similar/same content. i love that you are here but damn....josh hit the nail on the head with that one :) I'm curious how long you have been following him or mmo/game trends in general. PS: loved your anime expo food review!

@@katan1412 I've been up hid arse since he was around 25k subs haha

This guy over here playing with his food ;)

Hey Mukluk, so glad to see you here, love your work and especially so glad you found your balance. Got back to the game after a 9 years hiatus- yeah EvE and Starcraft and fencing and stuff- thanks to people like you or our dear teapot. Had the occasion to speak to another content creator who nearly burnt themselves while doing Magic Arena stuff and yeah it seems freaking hard to endure. And dealing with the toxic part of each community, oh boy, time out! Cheers and yeah scrapper all the way

Have to admit i was thinking about you for that segment. You did it also quite smartly. You transitioned slowly and smoothly to more diversified content and probably avoided quite some of the shock when specialized creators switch their games too abruptly.

Mukluk!, glad to see you here in the new Josh Strifes video ^^

any game can burn you out when you play it a lot

MY MAN MUKLUK!!!!!!!!

Asmon the YT mooch. lol

@@joelhodoborgas hey he adds to it, I find it more enjoyable to watch it with him commenting on it, and I rewatch stuff I’ve seen before if he reacts to its. he’s entertaining

@@limitbreak2966 He does add more than most react streamers yeah, but he's still a react streamer so ehh

@@joelhodoborgas I think with content creators that have a following based on their personality, reaction videos are genuinely their own content. Asmongold and Rease are perfect examples of this.

People are lonely and want to feel like someone is watching with them. Its why there is watch with channels. People are isolated and lonely and need to go out and make real friends.

You make great videos, keep up the good work!

Your gw2 content is top notch mate! Cheers!

@@deeliriyum Thanks so much dude! I really appreciate it!

@@IMidgetManI Chers dude! As long as there is GW2 news to cover, I will be there to cover it XD

Ah, I was thinking of forwarding this to you, and here you are :D - something something about might and tea

I love every part of this comment :)

lmao i know this is sarcasm, still nice one

Hey, I resemble that remark! ;) Recent returnie...for like the 10th time lol! Been at it on & off since beta, but due to my alt-o-holism, only ever gotten a Warden to lvl 61. So, I couldn't resist the free Valar to 120 they gave us recently, so I rolled a Beorning & now having a blast with her :D. Just running around lower level zones, collecting mats on my war horse, smelling the roses, taking in the sights (OMG the sights!), has reminded me just how large & epic & beautiful the world is, even with the very old graphics engine. Imagine a total reboot in Unreal Engine 5...;) _drool_

I just returned to LOTRO a few days ago after Rings of Power looking completely terrible and his video also put it back in my memory so I guess I’m the opposite of you? i dunno really I’ve been addicted to josh’s videos for a while now

@@kyotheman69 Sarcasm where? o.O

I had this exact problem for FFXIV, I didnt know, but after doing a big 10 hours or so of the beginning I was really bored, then look on forum, oh but the game is "incredible" after 30.. I felt scammed because its just a big gatekeeping with sucky low level stuff

@@siyano Never understood this for FFXIV, I thought it was pretty good at the start, it obviously got better but started pretty well imo

FFXIV simply improves over time, because the dev team improved over time. It starts out ok, but not great, because they were rushing really hard to re-release the game after 1.0 nearly destroyed the franchise. 2.0 is fine for an old MMO. 6.0 still made me emotional on my third playthrough.

Or you know it actually does? Same way a tv show can have highs and lows a video game can.

ah yes, TheHiveLeader o7

Content creator is the most sterile soulless term I’ve ever heard, I hope people come up a better name.

@@thrillhouse4151 as a content creator i couldnt agree more.

How I miss The Hive Leader’s content

Ah TheHiveLeader!

I used to watch your Podcast back in 2014/2015 when you guys had Brazil over, Those were the days man, I loved watching your content.

@@XelaShade Brazil is still on you should check it out

@@llimbo9864 oh damn, it's been such a long time, I will thanks!

I don't agree. There are plenty of KZfaq content creators that deliver a big video every 6 months; example: Captain Disillusion. There are plenty of large channels that do a video every 2 weeks; example: Dude Perfect. And there are examples of those that do on average a video a month; example: Mark Rober. Just because the majority have a fast content pace doesn't mean you have to match it. The main issue with MMO content is in the majority of MMO games the patches aren't expansive enough to warrant explaining. Take a game like Elden Ring, where the lore is so obtuse and complex people are still unpicking it months after the release. The same happens with Dark Souls and critically their expansions. When Elden Ring gets its first DLC we'll see the same weeks of videos trying to understand and breakdown the patch. MMO patches in contrast can be slightly more frequent, but aside from expansion drops are typically so lore/content light a single 10m video summarizing the content will do and sometimes this is even overkill. You don't need a 1hr+ summary on patch notes as a player, as you will already have read the patch notes and understood them if you're commited, so there is actually very little to make content on for the majority of patches. Other game genres on KZfaq then diversify their content by doing different playthrough styles of games, with different builds or character choices or handicaps. MMOs at first glance seem ideal for this with their long progression arc meaning you can milk a lot of videos, but in reality why would someone watch a video of you doing it when they could do it themselves. People enjoy watching no hit Elden Ring playthroughs for example as it's a level they can't achieve, but by the very nature of MMOs the content is (in general) widely accesible. It's not a shock that MMO viewership peaks around world-first races to clear raids, or in big tournaments because the players are playing on a level that the viewers can't match - so instead of just going and experiencing the content themselves they're watching it instead. This then basically forces MMO content creators to make tutorial videos (How to get X, or how to gear for Y), critque videos (which are naturally going to be met with backlash, and regardless of the genre this is true), get early access to patches by building a dev relationship and rushing to be the first video on it, or rely and lean heavily on their personalities - and the sad truth is a lot of MMO content creators don't have engaging personalities to watch; and those that do make more money off of livestreams. You don't see many MMO content creators because simply there is very little good content to make.

Here's a question: Why should I automatically respect you and your opinion, simply because you make videos on games? These content creators sound like they deserve respect. For what? It's the entertainment business. You don't deserve anything. Just because you think your opinion was genuine, doesn't mean everyone else has to show you respect. Then you go and dig for excuses as to why so-and-so person didn't give you the respect you think you're entitled to. You have a career out of giving your opinion, and nobody but you and your tribe of followers think you're deserving of respect from all mmo players. You're living in your own content creator bubble. And you can kick and scream and accuse certain playerbases of not behaving how you think they should, but that still doesn't change the fact that you're holding a halo over your head and pointing to it as if you're an unbiased source of information. People aren't as gullible as you accuse them of being.

Same experience in WoW classic for me. Literally my favourite game of all time. They quit the moment they got to Orgrimmar city.

I was an EQ2 player for years, I barely got to endgame in burning crusade before the thought of logging into wow was akin to wanting a nap on my keyboard.

The novelty of playing in a massive, open world full of players that was so compelling in 2004 is long gone. Now the new player experience has to be much more compelling. Exile's Reach is good, but once you're done WoW drops you in BFA and the Alliance side of BFA is pretty dull.

Try gw2. They have good onboarding and many people also in beginner zones

The entry cost to get to the fun in wow is just too high. It's objectively not fun early game. Everything is very outdated by today's standards. The way they could improve it would be to give levels, skills, mounts and flying, lfr leveling raids, more end game style dungeons early on etc. It's just such a big gap in content quality. Either make new leveling content, update the old or just throw players into the new expansion directly and scale their stats while they gain levels and skills rapidly to catch up.

this

True and real

keep malding and crying about it.

@@yourakunt4909 get your weird ass out of his comments.

@@yourakunt4909 Seems like that’s you in denial.

I think he's just widely respected in the community. Which he has very much earned.

Mmo = massively multi-player online Mmos = massively manipulative online scam

it's more an observable fact than a theory but yeah, he is indeed well connected to the creator community.

I don't trust anyone who's that friendly with everyone, Josh has some skeletons somewhere. (And he used/uses Asmon as much as he can to get more views, scummy, but works)

How generous of you to say Asmon is ONLY 60% reaction. We all know that number is much higher.

Yeah I actually think your content is great but ESO just aint it for me. I hope to see you cover more MMOs.

@@PingWhisper well now he doesn't do gaming at all

Hey it`s Csaw or Chris!! o/

@@Ryan-kg7hu LOL took the words right outta my mouth!!

Oh hey I recognize your channel

Love your stuff, Csaw

Haha, hello o/

MMO reviews have almost never made much sense, especially since most are written based on Beta gameplay. They are outdated almost within the month of their release and are heavily skewed by short term problems like overloaded servers, hotfixes, rebalancing and introduction of new content. I owned the original WoW players guide and almost everything in it was wrong for the release version of the game.

Right. Which is why most of his vids are titled "Worst MMO Ever?"...imo he needs to play more, talk less. ;)

@@Nostromo2144 They're named that because it's a video series, you dingus. He plays plenty. That's why his breakdowns are accurate, widely watched, and well received. I have a strong feeling he insulted a game you like and you're buttmad.

@@vinchinzo594 Ding ding ding! Probably Tera and it's time for another loop video. 12 minutes, quick, shoot the messenger?

@@Nostromo2144 I'm sorry he killed "insert name of whatever bad MMO you play" I hope you will get over it some day.

@@Nostromo2144 Maybe if you watched the videos instead of immediately having a childish response to the title of his series, you would actually realize that he doesn't consider many of them bad games at all. He honestly critiques the games and often praises a lot of the games heavily for what they do right. Hell this comment alone shows you haven't even watched the video you left the comment on.

LMAO SAME. IT REALLY TRIPPED ME UP

Prob is lost ark is time gated. Ff14, ESO, GW2 etc u just play all day long and make progress

Yes nerdslayer has one of the best voices of the bunch and btw he has a podcast called 6 pixels under where he has dozens and dozens of hours of content if you want.

I knew it wasn't him but missed where he said he had to read his...I was so confused 🤣 thank you

I did have to check whether it was LazyPeon or Josh talking nearly every time. Probably should have used a slight radio filter to make it clear he is reading his comments, especially since most people will only listen to the video and miss the name on screen. Not a big deal, but if he does another video like this hopefully he'll rectify that.

I hope your account ends up where you want it to, king!

Yes, it is really struggle sitting on your ass and play video games.

well most mmorpg players are casuals thats why, they only play a game so much, most cases move on when they get bored, only small percent are hardcore

Why is this a surprise?

@@chemicalhap I didn't expect that Josh had connections to Warframe content creators.

@@inquisitorichijou883 Brozime reacted to Josh's warframe video, and agreed with him on a lot of his points. I assume that's probably how they came into connection.

@@lj_aderyn That sounds plausible.

I think that if you want to do it, you should try. Just be realistic about the whole process. You cannot know the workload if you‘ve never made a script and edited a video, you cannot know whether anyone is interested in your ideas if you never put it out. Try it and expect nothing, that way every view and comment is something to be celebrated. Upload on a „whenever“ basis, because the algorithm won‘t be interested in you anyways. Do what YOU want WHEN you want, and just use KZfaq the way it was originally intended to: For self expression and creativity. And if it is no longer fun or fulfilling for you, make a short video on why you stopped, as a thank you to those who subscribed. Two or three minutes of a heart-to-heart. Being honest with yourself and your potential audience is, I think, super important for long-term mental health. This isn‘t a job, it‘s a hobby. And there is nothing wrong with that. ❤

@bobi miiu I think you're using the wrong account mate, you can't break character while you're on the porn bot account

@@SupremeNoble okay this is funny XD made me chuckle

I always thought the dude dressed like he just came from a theater or play

@@SupremeNoble truly a "lmao" moment

Kudos to you for even remembering that. I completely forgot about it and kept being weirded out how they both have the same voice throughout the entire video 😮‍💨

What low value behavior

fake news, this video can basically be summed up as a bunch of people who play videogames for a living complaining that "reeee the players suck, boo everyone who criticizes me!!"

no its not extremely high, its average, i can tell because i work at cnn

@@Impulse154 preach, asmongold is a loser irl soo he has to stay inside a game that is trash

@@franciscopereira5760 It is high quality, you can clearly see how much effort all of the creators put into this video. I can tell because I work at KCNA. The Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) is the state news agency of North Korea. The agency portrays the views of the North Korean government for both domestic and foreign consumption. It was established on December 5, 1946, is superior to CNN, and now features online coverage.

@@franciscopereira5760 cnn is low quality garbage

Lol gotta touch that grass. It is such a good description, but is used to be so insulting that no one thinks about what it SHOULD mean. Reaffirming yourself in reality, so you don't get lost enjoying the game.

dude i felt the same way, i was playing warframe with this vid in a background and just went "wow this describes me and my crippling addiction to wf and valorant".

I think the trick as a gamer, is to learn to translate the competitive spirit to grind in game (PvE, PvP,), to real life, at least in some capacity. It does not work for everyone, of course, but "gamefying" my life has made me more productive, allowed me to pursue things in my life that i have forsaken because I wanted to grind 20 hrs in WoW. Me being the bestest gamer in the world does not give me a paycheck, wrecks my body, destroys all personal relationships, and obliterates my self worth. It works if you are a content creator or into esports (because you get paid) but for most of us plebs, who give a shit about being world's first lmao. Now with a good job, improving health, and better mental health, I have naturally started to enjoy gaming again without forcing it.

...So about the MMO content creation, do you have a channel link? There hasn't been a single video uploaded on this channel in 5 years, of which maybe 2 or 3 are loosely related to MMOs. So I'm assuming you have a different channel?

So called content creators are one of the reason why MMO was ruined.

@@Kjetilstorm I meant I was in the process of starting one as everything with blizzard happened, it would have been under a new channel yes but at the moment it's just sitting there with nothing on it lol

@@petertrueteller8043 ...wow calm tf down.

@@petertrueteller8043 I would argue that content creators are the reason some MMOs still exist. "Ruined" implies that the game was somehow in a perfect state. Everyone pines for the good ole days, mostly because they've forgotten the problems of that time. MMOs now are not good/bad--they're just different, just like the ones back then were the same.

I absolutely agree and i think the same actually. I found out his channel few days ago and have been exploring his videos. They are entertaining, funny, straight to the point and very informative. He brings up really great discussion points in alot of games and about the gaming community in general that need to be discussed from some perspectives. I highly respect him for that especially covering the MMO gaming community. I might as well check other content creators as well since they also seem interesting. LazyPeon being one of my favorites now.

This is the edit I was looking for. That shit was funny.

We don't deserve this precious boy. At he start he says he wouldn't edit anyone's statements to alter their points, Zepla savages him in her interview, he responds saying he'll edit it out, sarcastically...and doesn't. What a treasure.

Luckily the story of stormblood picks up near the end of it, but yeah it feels very sluggish before that, so please, try to survive :D

@@soldierorsomething Oh, I'm pretty far into it. Just finished the event with the Xaela on the Azim Steppe, which has been my favorite bit of the game so far.

I think some changes in the game are not for the better. I did not enjoy SB precisely because I felt we really didn't see as much of certain areas as I had hoped. There are things from ARR and HW that I miss honestly.

@@melissas4874 I am in the first 5-10 hours of SB and I already missed HW, it is quality mmo storytelling.

@@HikariKobayashi you are gonna love the 4.x story. the story becomes so much more interesting.

3rd problem: mmos are for nerds and lacks mass appeal

There will never be another KZfaq. KZfaq was a money sink until 2015 when they broke even (and haven't shared a profit report since) and most of the "alternatives" are either just there to take advantage of people jaded with KZfaq or run by people who have no idea what it takes to run a site like KZfaq, sometimes both coughzippcastcoughvidmecough and others like Vimeo, Dailymotion, Nicovideo (which apparently lost a lot of support to Japanese KZfaq in the 2010s, who the hell limits bitrate for free users anyway) and Veoh are content with not being on the top and don't even bother trying.

It's also telling that I can even name those top four competitors to KZfaq without getting my comment automatically deleted but I can't do the same for the top competitors to Google (even though DDG lost a lot of support when it proved to not be anti-censorship and Microsoft's search engine suuuuuuucks).

@@mattwo7 DDG is just a lost cause and so much so that it's not a default option on Brave Browser anymore.

@@Ziko577 People are too quick to trust things that promise them exactly what they want when it's probably too good to be true, Brave Browser is not an exception to that. I don't know what their game is but I _do_ know their motivations are self-serving. That much has _always_ proven to be the case.

Lazy Peon sounds a lot like Josh.

@@Vince-tt1uj he did say at the start of the Lazy couldn’t make it but typed his replies to the questions he was asked by Josh.

@@katiaazizi Should have added /s at the end...

@@Vince-tt1uj which is why I like em both. They do criticize the games after they played it for amount of time compared to others like Asmon who sometimes giving impression to games even without playing it through rumors, game footages, and his community. Joshstrifehayes and LazyPeon's games/mmo reviews are my guidebooks before jumping on a game.

What the fuck hahahaha

fake news, this video can basically be summed up as a bunch of people who play videogames for a living complaining that "reeee the players suck, boo everyone who criticizes me!!"

Touch some grass dude, get out of the basement, you obviously have never read a masters level thesis in your life.

youtube's been a job accessible for normal people since like, 2010. At least, that's when I started noticing it.