The Truth About Radiators and "Static Pressure Fans"

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FanPhys

5 ай бұрын

So what's the truth, then? Watch the video to find out as I test ten popular 120mm fans on a Corsair H80i V2 and compare the performance to previous thermal tests with a Thermalright heatsink.

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@quarklabs819
@quarklabs819 5 ай бұрын
I would like to see the centrifugal blower on the radiator,
@FanPhys
@FanPhys 5 ай бұрын
You'd need a really big blower to have any cooling effect on a rad of this size!
@ShadowingxGaming
@ShadowingxGaming 5 ай бұрын
very interesting methodology, great video :)
@FanPhys
@FanPhys 5 ай бұрын
Thank you :)
@VascovanZeller
@VascovanZeller 5 ай бұрын
I'd like to see results of push pull vs push vs pull. Some test I saw pointed to a max of 3 degrees difference when adding a second fan.
@FanPhys
@FanPhys 5 ай бұрын
Yeah adding a second fan in series will increase the pressure and might reduce temps by a couple of degrees, but at the cost of more noise and also more space.
@VascovanZeller
@VascovanZeller 5 ай бұрын
It would make a great video!
@AstralS7orm
@AstralS7orm 7 күн бұрын
@@FanPhys Costs much less noise than expected - 3 dB, obviously, on average, but modulation may occur which is to taken care of. While a twice as high CFM fan will be usually 12 dB louder. The gain is essentially double if not more with denser heatsinks. But mostly costs more money and takes double the space. Static pressure performance of the fan matters only in case of very thick or very dense radiators combined with very weak static pressure fans. For example, if I put 1.5 mmH2O slowish bequiet Silent Wing 3 fans (~1400 rpm) on a 60 mm thick radiator with 32 FPI density, I get a quarter of the cooling performance per RPM because the single fan does not produce enough static pressure to pull air through properly and the airspeeds are very low. Even doubling the fan speed with this design which produces many times the noise just does not cut it. Using almost any other fan, however, will handle it, as will a push/pull configuration since that converts it the radiator into a duct.
@MiG82au
@MiG82au 3 ай бұрын
I understand that speed is an easy parameter to control, but is it relevant to any usage? Personally I only care about (in descending order of caring): sufficient cooling (temps low enough for boost clocks to stay high and components to be below rated limits), noise (including quality thereof), power consumption (barely a factor for any remotely tolerable cooling solution). Of course that results in the test being subjective because of the quality of noise criterion (pure tones, harmonics, and ball bearing rattles bother me a lot), but it's something to consider. Maybe there's a bit too much emphasis on delta t at fixed speed. It's still all very interesting testing in a field filled with marketing BS. Thanks. Oh, FWIW I've never used a Noctua fan so I'm not offended by your results 😄
@tiagoferreira086
@tiagoferreira086 5 ай бұрын
I just have one question, how did you measured the static pressure? Did you completely blocked the air flow? Just asking because the static pressure is not very linear vs air flow. I have seen this mostly on the Delta datasheets.
@RelentlessRage
@RelentlessRage 5 ай бұрын
Static pressure highest when all airflow is blocked. He measured it by gradually blocking exhaust on that test box. As far as i see it - even with lower SP some fans "scoop" and move much more volume of air, despite being unable to keep it pressurized
@tiagoferreira086
@tiagoferreira086 5 ай бұрын
@@RelentlessRage I know the sp is max when airflow is 100% blocked, i'm asking about the sp values written in the table, IF they where measured with blocked airflow they don't say much about the behavior when the air is just partially blocked like shown in the video, supporting what he was saying in the video.
@MiesvanderLippe
@MiesvanderLippe 5 ай бұрын
You could take the effort and watch his videos showing his methodology.
@tiagoferreira086
@tiagoferreira086 5 ай бұрын
@@MiesvanderLippe i did, seems like you don't read...
@FanPhys
@FanPhys 5 ай бұрын
Yes I measured the static pressure against different levels of flow... the data is in a previous video. Peak efficiency is usually somewhere in the middle of the curve and is broadly the same for all axial fans.
@dhdjddhdjd
@dhdjddhdjd 5 ай бұрын
Very helpful video, thanks. Which high rpm fan and a suitable radiator would you recommend?
@Splarkszter
@Splarkszter 5 ай бұрын
Go for air unless you actually need liquid.
@FanPhys
@FanPhys 5 ай бұрын
The T30 is clearly the strongest 120mm fan at the moment, but 140mm coolers are superior both in air and AIO if you have room in your case. I had a Kraken X61 a few years ago and it was very good, but also expensive, and I'd always go for air over AIO personally.
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 5 ай бұрын
you should look at reviews from people that actually test the fans correctly and not use them way outside their specifications.
@grahamie_
@grahamie_ 5 ай бұрын
I love seeing tests like these being done. So annoying seeing people talk about which fans are the best when they have no idea what "best" even means. I'd like to see the voltage versus static pressure for these to see which fans are the most power efficient. I'd also love to see DB level versus static pressure. If this is of interest you, I'd actually be willing to compile the data myself and pay you to do the tests at different volume and power levels. My email address is on my youtube channel.
@FanPhys
@FanPhys 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! I appreciate the offer and it does sound like it could be interesting; however I don't have time at the moment because of work commitments. In terms of efficiency it's the Noctua NF-F12 in the lead, drawing only 60mA at full speed. The quietest fans (Gentle Typhoon, Arctic P12, Lian Li P28, Noctua A12x25) are consistently the weakest in terms of max. static pressure performance, but as you can see it doesn't always translate to poor thermal performance.
@z.a.n.g.3.t.s.u
@z.a.n.g.3.t.s.u 2 ай бұрын
It'd be nice if you also look at 140mm fans
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 5 ай бұрын
It is nice seeing that you at least attempt to verify your claims. But your methode is still flawed: You are neither testing at iso noise nor power, taking single-point measurements and extrapolating them against a non-linear relation, comparing fans of different dimensions. Basically the only thing we can take from this is that the fans, at that particular power, produce a specific static pressure when pushing against a closed container - not something any of those fans are meant to do or how anybody would use them. (aside from the fact that you are pushing some of the fans to waayyy outside their specifications).
@FanPhys
@FanPhys 5 ай бұрын
It's nice being the one conducting the tests rather than one of many armchair experts criticising the methodology. :)
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 5 ай бұрын
@@FanPhys So ad hominem instead of acknowledging the problems - a classic.
@FanPhys
@FanPhys 5 ай бұрын
@@ABaumstumpf so if I don't agree with you, I'm wrong? Also classic!
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 5 ай бұрын
@@FanPhys "so if I don't agree with you, I'm wrong? Also classic!" And more fallacies. But thanks for showing everybody so clearly that you are in fact no interested in doing actual tests and comparing the fans but rather just want to virtue-signal and insult everybody that does not make the same mistakes as you do. And yes - really classic of you to not even attempt to make an argument. Classic, predictable and pathetic. next you will try moving the goalpost with a few more insults, right?
@FanPhys
@FanPhys 5 ай бұрын
@@ABaumstumpf Thank you for your comments!