Henry Cavill said it best: “I get what you’re saying, but it is a fan’s right to have whatever opinion they want. I don’t consider that toxic, I just consider that passionate”

My personal favorite is the "A real fan enjoys everything to come out of this franchise" like we're supposed to mindlessly praise everything and not criticize it in hopes of returning it to what we all fell in love with in the first place.

Fan: "I don't like it" Studio: "Why not?" Fan: "Well, the characters are bland, the stories are not engaging, and I feel people just forced in drama." Studio: "It must be because you hate black people/women."

Disney: "We're excited to see where Reva's story goes." Star Wars Fans: "Who gives a fuck about Reva's story. What about KENOBI'S story?!? You know, in the show called KENOBI!?!" Disney: "Stop being racist. We resist."

Disney: "We resist" A multibillion dollar corporation trying to act like freedom fighters.

Imagine you’ve been a loyal patron to your favourite restaurant for decades. The food was always delicious and on point and the service was impeccable. You tell your friends about it and bring in much business for them throughout the years. Then out of nowhere they change their menu to a totally different cuisine, hire chefs that can’t cook, and hire lazy servers with bad attitudes and after voicing your dissatisfaction with the changes, the restaurant tells You that YOU are a bad customer for not continuing to patronize the business and embrace the changes and you’re toxic for yearning for the better food and better service of the past

It’s a perfect formula: Step one: Hire an ultra diverse cast Step two: Write a lazy story with lazy characters Step three: Convince people they’re bigoted if they don’t enjoy your product It reminds me of how a lot of modern art avoids criticism by people claiming that critics just don’t understand it. Emperor’s new clothes logic kicks in and now it’s worth millions.

I love being lectured about being racist by a company who has business dealings with people currently keeping ethnic minorities in concentration camps

“Don’t be a racist” - willingly cuts out the black character in a poster

"The toxic fandom is ruining Star Wars!" -Disney "You have done that yourself!" -Actual Star Wars fans

Being in a transformers fandom for many years has taught me that: - some people are never satisfied with anything - some people are always satisfied and will defend any garbage no matter what -the brand is not your friend, it's there to take your money -within the brand and the fandom there are wonderful, creative people that make you continue to love the thing you share

There's a difference between a toxic fandom and a passionate fandom

Disney: _"Don't you dare act racist, customers!"_ ALSO Disney: shrinks Finn down to 1/8th size on the _TheForceAwakens'_ Chinese poster to appease CCP racism

"Here, eat this shit sandwich." "That's... awful. This restaurant was better under previous management." "Wow, so toxic."

Disney puts more effort into labeling the fans then they do into writing good scripts.

I feel like what a lot of these “creative” media groups don’t understand is that they’d likely have a lot less criticism if they made good shows/movies about the characters they clearly want to parade around. Reva, for example, could’ve gotten her own show without the Obi Wan branding and with decent writing, no matter how mediocre it was, it wouldn’t be so heavily criticized.

"The fans aren't toxic, they are *passionate* ." - Henry Cavill, defending The Witcher fandom

i love how diverse reva’s acting abilities are. either she’s ANGRY or ANGRY, but sometimes she can also be ANGRY. amazing.

I remember the days when someone was a bully online, we just muted or banned him from our group. Never gave a second thought about them again.

Disney: "We resist" Disney on Mulan: 'Yea we used slave wranglers during the production, oh uhm, i meant freedom challenged helpers'

*"Criticizing bad storytelling isn't toxic."* - The Critical Drinker

"When your product is mediocre, blame the customer". Puts a whole new spin on customer service.

Your ability to summarise how people feel and intelligently lay it out in an understandable fashion is admirable

THIS. Everyone in Hollowood needs to see this video. Whilst I'm not into fandom culture, it should be obvious that the actual assholes who harass actors don't represent a majority of a fan base, and are just people who need to seek professional help and that they should be seperated from people with legit criticism or the entire group. Someone saying that a character was awfully written or their acting was stiff DOES NOT automatically mean that that person is a racist, sexist, homophobe or whatever. If anything all these actions that these SJW higher-ups do will not only just make them lose more fans, but probably also create more racism, sexism, homophobia etc just to spite them.

Like Henry Cavill once said: "when it comes to fans, it is a fan's right to have whatever opinion they want to have, and people are going to be upset... I don't necessarily consider that toxic. I just consider that passion."

“Toxic fandom” used to apply to the fandom members attacking each other or having really shitty behavior in-group. Now the term has been co-opted to be used by corporations AGAINST the fans.

I'm cool with fandoms being labeled toxic because once that label hits, I know I am no longer a fan.

Generalizing has got to be one of our biggest problems as humans. You can’t do anything without being lumped in with one group or another.

As Henry Cavill said, the fans aren’t toxic, their passionate.

"Toxic" really means people criticizing your abysmal creative decisions.

The nasty people that call any criticism "toxic"" are the most toxic of all-----they acknowledge no fault, and call everyone else names.

It's definitely not for Disney to talk about human rights and racism when they are ready to violate all these principles for the sake of the Chinese market🙄🤦‍♀️

Disney: *makes a bad product Fans: *don't like it Disney: "Something needs to be done about these toxic people!"

Disney: Makes a show called "Kenobi" Fans: So why isn't about Kenobi? Disney: All the fans are toxic racists!

"Toxic Fandom" only happens when a company does a bait and switch. They know what the fans want and they advertise whatever they're making as if it caters to what fans want. Then they give them something that has nothing to do with what they advertised instead. If whatever they're doing just sucks, it just gets ignored because nobody cares about it. If Disney made a bad space movie with a no name star that nobody has heard off, nobody would care. It would still flop, but nobody would be commenting on it. When they promise you a movie about Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker or some other established character that people actually want to see and then give you a character nobody cares about instead, that's when fans get mad. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want the increased viewership you get from a popular franchise then you have to actually give the fans something from that franchise. Fans don't care about diversity. They want a good show. It doesn't matter what color the actor is. It doesn't matter what sex the actor is. What does matter is whether the story is good. If diversity IS the story, then it's pretty much guaranteed NOT to be good.

You can only tell even the most well-intentioned people that you hate them for so long before they start believing you.

Disney finally figured it out, just make terrible characters racially diverse so all criticism can be blamed on “RACISM”

"We are no racists." Said a franchise owned by disney, a franchise that conviently cut out Finn out of mostly all promotional material in countries where racism against black people is still a common trend (china for example).... as much as i enjoy living in the west and all its benefits but jesus we are full of hypocrits

Well you’re a bunch of racist fans … But we love lando and mace windu , we just hate that character

When they say toxic fandom = shit movie excuse.

Imagine singing badly in front of a crowd and calling the audience "toxic" for not liking it...

This is like breaking into someone's house and calling them hateful for not liking you stealing and ruining their shit.

“Growing up it all seems so one-sided. Opinions are provided, the future pre-decided, detached and subdivided in the mass-production zone. Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone.”

Narcissism is a disorder, but not to them. To them it's a sound strategy.

I appreciated Henry Cavill when asked about "Toxic fandom" he completely went the opposite direction and said that they were passionate fans and supported them

Fans: "You were supposed to save star wars, not shroud it in wokeness!" Disney: "I hate you!!!"

The criticism is targeted towards the writing of Revas character. It has nothing to do with her ethnicity or colour of her skin, her character feels forced and badly written. Paint her purple and recast her with a half Chinese/Scottish actor and it wouldn't make a difference. The character sucks. Bring back Jar Jar.

All I can say, Critical Drinker, is Amen. You are 100% right. It makes me want to just quit movies and streaming altogether. So tired of garbage.

I don’t dislike Reva for her race, I dislike her for the writing of her character and how Reva’s plot takes time away from Ewan and Haden’s dynamic.

If having taste and wanting new stories makes me toxic call me avenger.

These companies forget that they'd be nothing without the fans. They are just bloody ungrateful. We made them as big as they are. Fans are the reason why they can even make any money from all their productions. They should never think they are above criticism. Calling fans "toxic" for giving their opinions/ criticism on any form of art is the same as biting the hand that feeds them.

The Toxic fandom principle is an invention of the participation trophy generation.

Toxicity nowadays is when you demand that the stories and characters are coherent, respectful and well written.

This theme is further applicable to countless aspects of today’s society. Its scary and everyone needs to understand it

Fans to Hollywood : we are not born toxic and violent, you made us so......

I'm not a toxic fan, I'm an ex-fan. As someone once said, "Let the past die."

It's honestly sad it became this bad

Fan baiting is the only way to draw the crowd they are looking for in

The boat I badly made didn’t sink because of ME, it was all those toxic passengers that were stupid enough to climb aboard!

As soon as this started I pondered.”Does Disney keep putting “minorities” into these shitty roles to deflect from the shitty writing”? Sure seems like a pattern at this point.

Step 1: Find established, well beloved franchise with a built in audience Step 2: Take advantage of the good will of the fans to gain a foothold Step 3: Hijack the franchise and subvert it for your own ideological ends Step 4: Goad the fans into attacking you, then call them toxic for daring to say no Step 5: Go broke Step 6: Repeat

Im sick of these companies ruining what we love. :(

I miss the days where the mainstream didn't like sci-fi and even though we had to wait for media it was quality stories.

I miss when minorities were just individuals, rather than antagonistic representatives. Geordi was just a likeable, highly competent, Star Fleet officer, with a cool visor that turned his blindness into a superpower. Not a weapon to beat 'bigots' with.

- Getting away with bad writing might be difficult. - Actually it's super easy, barely an inconvinience. - Oh really? - Yeah, we just label them as toxic so they are the bad people for not liking our stuff. - Oh dehumanizing valid critics is TIGHT!

Bruh, I've had more death threats than Moses Ingram just for shitposting memes on twitter. And I'm not even famous, the difference is that I don't make a big deal out of it and pretend that those people represent everyone else.

Meanwhile, Paramount actually *RESPECTS* the Sonic fanbase after the backlash that is the original ugly Sonic design by changing it.

"We resist." Like that means anything from a company that panders to Beijing, cares nothing for the artistic and internal integrity of their IPs, abuses and exploits its young talent, cuts ties with a DV victim out of cowadice, and only uses the "Resistance" label to deny Lucas further royalties and keep the justification for rebellion era merchandise. If they cared, they would have advanced the story instead of essentially undoing everything in the OT and rendering it retroactively pointless and stupid.

A “toxic fan” to them is anyone who dares to express any criticism and isn’t a mindless consumer.

"And once again, Mickey is pissed off and throwing a fit."

Toxic? No Miserable? absolutely.

The only toxic fandom I know is the Steven universe one. They literally told someone to kill themselves for drawing a character skinny. So much for listening and understanding to others like the show tells you to do.

I've been saying this from the beginning: Disney owning Stars Wars makes NO SENSE. It makes about as much sense to me as Nickelodeon producing psychological horror. It stumps me that anyone ever thought that buying Star Wars had even the slightest chance of going remotely well. They'll own Judge Dredd and Halloween next, i swear

Fandom without gatekeeping is like a Bank without a tight security.

How many people out there DREAM of getting the opportunity to write/direct/do anything for a big time series like Star Wars or Star Trek? Imagine getting handed that opportunity and then using that platform to spite people you don’t agree with…instead of pouring all your effort into creating the best possible work you can…it’s disgraceful. Shameful.

Disney: "Why are Star Wars fans so toxic and racist!?" 99% of fans: "I didn't say anything!"

I’ve never considered myself a “fan” of anything for exactly this reason. I enjoy things and when they become shit I walk away without remorse.

Well said Drinker! To add a little to what you just said, and this has happened to myself. Apathy is the end result from constant bashing on the fans. Some of us GenXers have simply turned away from Disney's Star Wars. We have our DVD's and Blurays. We have our Expanded Universe novels. We're content to enjoy Lucas's Star Wars and give no "energy" to Disney. No subscriptions to Disney +, no visits to their theme parks, no purchasing of any sort that contributes to what they're pushing as Star Wars. Apathy doesn't cost a thing, and when the true toxic people are alone in their echo chamber with no one to argue with. Will the company then make money? I doubt it. 4% is 4%. The End.

I think this era of modern movies made me hate franchises. All of my favorite Franchises were written off.

Star wars : don't be racist Also star wars: removes black characters to please the Chinese 💀 Hippocrit

The bad thing about these companies attacking "toxic fandoms" is that they actually miss the REAL toxic fandoms out there or are in support of them.

Henry cavill said fans arent toxic they are passionate.

“If you’re not with me, then you are my enemy!”

I know this is going to sound extreme, and I’m most likely just pissing in the wind here, but probably the best way to deal with these companies is scorched earth. Don’t watch anything they put out. Don’t buy anything they produce. Have absolutely nothing to do with them. Let the people they’re pandering to carry them for a while, and let the companies see how far that gets them. (Spoiler alert: not very.) Just my 2¢

"Toxic fandom" = disobedient customers. "Entitled" = has preferences & doesn't tolerate being gaslighted.

FINALLY! Thank you so much for being our voice. We all want the same thing in this fandom and its a good, well-written, proper story that blows our minds. But Lucasfilm doesn't give that to us so we criticize over and over until our voices are heard. I don't like Reva because of her poorly written story not because of the tone of her skin.

In my humble experience, if someone calls something "toxic" or "problematic", that's usually because they're selling something. Usually something you already have, but they try to make you hate it so they can sell you the new thing. It's almost always about selling you shit.

The sheer tone deaf irony of Disney, the giant evil media empire, saying "we resist". Who are you resisting? Some nobodys on Twitter? That's so brave of you

How to avoid criticism when you make bad shows/writing: - Get a diverse actor/actress as cheap shield - Labeling the “toxic fans” racist, sexist, etc. when they’re bringing up valid criticism - Profit - Move on, and continue ruining other legacy/fan favorite characters It’s official, Star Wars is dead. Attacking the fans only seal it’s grave. I’m just coping with the Fallen Order sequel and animated shows including Visions. I have high hopes for Tolkien fans to stand their ground

Remember the days when movie makers strived to wow their audiences? They'd sit nervously during premieres of their movies biting their nails waiting to see and hear their audience's reactions to their work. Sometimes they'd get it wrong and sometimes they would nail it, but after each project they would go back to the drawing board and try to better their work. Their entire reason for making movies was geared around their audience's reactions. Nowadays audiences are accused of having the wrong reactions to so called 'woke' movies. Is their anything that 'wokeism' doesn't turn to shit?

I love how when you talk about crafting the narrative you show palpatine since he crafted an entire war to split the galaxy apart and then build it back to his image where he is at the top with 100% power over everyone

The idea that Disney is trying to defend Reva and her actress so hard from the "racists" while letting Finn and his actor hang out to dry even to the point of reducing his presence on the Chinese poster speaks volumes for me. Disney is STILL silent to how they treated John Boyega to this day.

Thank you sir for this video, and for everyone here who left a like or comment. You all helped me realize I'm not alone in this world.

I just found out from Toy Galaxy's recent video that toxic fandom apparently started in 1989 with Tim Burton's Batman. Fans were hella pisst when they announced Tim Burton as the director and Michael Keaton as Batman...the more you know.

People shouldn't harass the actress of Reva. There's absolutely no doubt about that. But people have all the rights to criticise the series and the direction it's taken.

Disney "Shut up you toxic, racists fans!" Also Disney - removes John Boyega from Chinese version of the Star Wars poster.

“You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you’re selling it, you wanna sell it. Well…your *writers* were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn’t stop to think if they should”

The ol' bait and switch. One of the favorite tactics of charlatans.

Disney saying "don't be racist" while also toning down black people for the Chinese market and also cutting stuff like the lesbian background kiss in the Chinese version of Star Wars... *insert Palpatine saying "ironic" here*

The fan base isn’t toxic, but we are in a toxic relationship with the studio. They are ideologues who actually hate a large majority of the fan base, so they passive aggressively insert storylines and characters that they know will be problematic for that portion of the population. I believe it is more important to them that they stick it to that group of the fan base than writing a good show. They seethe with resentment and that resentment is evident throughout the writing of these shows.