I agree. I dont agree w gladd, they have promised things that have not been delivered. We understand that destiny PvE is the main focus(i main pve), but its clear that PvP has fell behind. And gladd himself just agreed that destiny isnt destiny without pvp, and we understand that it isnt the main focus, but the core playlists are important. They are what makes destiny, destiny. They are not doing enough to upkeep these players. And also these pvp players are still supporting the game they deserve the respect of some updates.

Gambit players: “What are new maps?”

​@@Nightstalker3791what's a gambit player

@@michaeljohnston272 like....there are people out there who like really love Gambit and enjoy it ? lol

thats what gladd is saying, you wont get that ever anymore... thats his point, since the start of of d2... ttk was the only one that did give pvp stuff but even then after, it left to die after and never touched it anymore

Exactly I like the abilities and everything but the gunplay ever since D1 is super clean. All the guns feel amazing to shoot and the visuals are easy on the eyes for the most part. The recoil, time to kill and most things feel great. Where else can you fly around as fast as you can on stompees pre nerf with a shotgun and pistol (thats actually viable unlike most games).

This is so true. Find me another game that even remotely plays like destiny 2 pvp or pve that’s still alive, you can’t. So the point of moving to a different game becomes mute when they can’t provide an adequate substitute.

​@@ace-daniel4240that's what I keep saying. There simply isn't anything TOO move on to. Fucking Marathon is an extraction shooter, if we wanted that we'd be playing Tarkov, and the same goes for every other pvp game that exists. If those games provided anything CLOSE to what Destiny does they'd already be playing those games. But there's not a single fps looter-shooter space magic arena shooter with amazing gunplay game that exists besides Destiny. I know many pvp players who've tried almost every other pvp game and almost all came back cause it's not what they want.

@@zackphyShort of Titanfall 3 I’m not sure what would get me to leave crucible

I always say find me another D2 and I'd go play that

The thing Gladd is forgetting is that the game launched with both aspects together. It wasn't pve then added pvp later on. That player base matters cause it helps the game

@@Marzellus1991 We talk about PvP and PvE players like seperate entities as well. At one point if u played destiny u probably played both since both r called core activities even to this day (also loot).Yet literally the original core activities even vanguard strikes r all but abandoned apart from some patch notes buried somewhere in the TWAB. 1 strike was added in lightfall… That’s literally the same effort as 1 PvP map. Now it’s just seasonal content crap. Which I just see as completely filler content. Raids and dungeons r literally the only content this game gets every year now that’s worth sonething. When we used to get 2 new strikes, 3 new strike variants, at least 7ish new PvP maps and raid in D1 every year. Sorry that’s my completely unrelated rant on how I think Bungie r hiding content droughts with crappy filler seasonal content and we’re actually in large droughts still when it comes to quality content I care about at least. I don’t think PvP is the only lacking part of the game anymore is what I’m trying to stay.

Same here. Destiny 1 PvP kept the game going for me. I loved it. I grinded it for hours on end and never got bored. Then that travesty D2 vanilla landed and ruined it.

Exactly! Without pvp the game would have half the life it has and would have died over and over again throughout all of those multiple content droughts.

Why would they? From a business owner, Destiny can’t compete in the pvp market from major competitors. PvP players in Destiny simply invested in the wrong game.

​@@espectrodelayautja6320 I understand that now of course but then my problem is in the messaging tone of their previous TWABS not really clarifying that. its mixed with promises of improvement and workarounds with very slow delivery. then again i don't expect them to outright say that they won't really be giving major updates to destiny's PVP because that won't really look good

@@ReverseUpended They're going to lie to you to keep you around. They will never tell you the truth. What they say does not matter. Only their actions.

Not even just that they go ahead and make labs see that people dont like it and still go through with changes like they did with trials. They legit did EVERYTHING the community told them not to and now look at the population of that mode, compared to last season.

@@espectrodelayautja6320 If that is how they think why would they make marathon ? It is objectively a dead on arrival project.

Bro stop...why you thinking and spreading False info? It was never ever just a pvp Problem! Main issue From the beginning was For Pve players! Then pvp dudes came out and wants to Claim this Movement! This issue began with recycled,reskin content with criminal eververse! No innovation from bungie and same seasonal shit...lots of issues! Why you guys try to minimize it to just pvp? You just helping bungie by that you know

the movement gladd is referring to is based on the discourse that had been brought to light by grenaderjakes comments about how the pvp mode had been abandoned and it was to no fault but the developers themselves as they had made it their word that they would be bringing new maps as well as old maps back from the vault. this was a bold face lie at worst and a dreadful misunderstanding at best. Go on and tell me how a pvp problem had started as a pve problem first. Your logic is astonishingly flawed.

@Central_Intelligence_Agency1and gambit prime was removed, also those cool gambit prime armors

Completely agree with you here Gladd lost me on this one

I don't think he meant it was out of no where like these complaints are brand new. He's saying it's the same complaints for years & nothing has changed. Bungies "renewed" focus on pvp was much much lower than you guys expected. You guys want more than they are willing to put into this games pvp. It sucks but that's the truth.

Pretty sure when they said that, they always were talking about updates, which did happen. But people seem to think when they said that, that it meant they were going to get pvp content like every month or something. Which isn't going to happen obviously. Mostly because pvp is inherently player driven. It doesn't need as much content to have replayability. Pve is way more content driven. So ya it makes sense that pve gets most of the content updates. Because it has to.

To be fair, I think people we expecting more of a focus on pvp than they got. But to say Bungie said/promised they were going to put significant resources on pvp just isn't the case. Bungie has made several changes to pvp and those changes are what Bungie is going to put into pvp. But IMO I think people took what Bungie said and expected a massive pvp overhaul with a bunch of new maps, modes etc, and Bungie never promised that.

Ya'll beleieve anything a CORPORATION says? They need to say that to keep ya'll in the game and ya'll believed them like sheep.

Besides the first story missions in D1 I played from the start for the PVP experience, space magic abilities and clean gunplay. I watched KZfaq videos on PvP before buying the game. Also a late portion of the comm wouldn't be here after launch of D1 (way before beyond light) if there was no PvP and later on trials. Id never only play a game where I shoot AI, but even PvP mains enjoyed grinding for weapons and gear in PvE at somepoint for PvP

W take

if this game was pve only it wouldnt have made it to taken king period.

@@_AriseChickenor better yet, pve would not need nerfs for pvps sake

PvP is what keeps this game going. After six weeks of a 20min mission all there is left is PvP.

You have made quite the statement here, shame bungee is more focused on marathon now 😓

Gladd didn’t say that you didn’t deserve a focus on PvP? Gladd said that if you think you are going to get a renewed focus you live in a illusion and if you hate the PVP of now that you should quit and find something that will make you happy. And the renewed focus was said once and before Trials of Osiris came back the only reason people have that statement in mind are because it have become a meme. The renewed focus was Trials of Osiris.

I used to carry people to Trials in D1😂 im so washed lol and the matchmaking dont help either ..i have been also more inclined towards pve since i made a return to D2

Been dead since beyond light. They can keep crying and whining about it but the truth is Bungie does not give a flying fuck anymore LOL.

@@rageknight2340 its been dead since shadowkeep hell even forsaken.

Ew a pvp andy

I think D1 did PvP solid. Gave new maps each DLC, felt rather balanced and great during the whole year of the taken king.

@@alucard14763 ew a strike farmer

Good

There's been constant updates to pvp however...

@@kayindaiskejust new guns on comp, trials, and iron banner.

@@kayindaiske like the ones that mad it worse?

or the little ones like new guns and emblems?

Completely agree 3.0 subclasses ruined crucible

@@xxdestroyerxx1236 ruined pve also imo because while it's fun to use 1 ability and blow up a huge pack of enemies, it's destroyed the balance of the game. Really wish they didn't add in all these "subclass verbs" to the update and just did what they initially said they would, simply take what we already had but just put it into the stasis format to make it more customizable

Ehh, what. Take of those rosetinted glasses, the last year of the last year people hates the meta and blamed D2. And when D2 launched people hated the PvP including Trials of the Nine. During Forsaken and early Shadowkeep we didn’t even have trials. The only time PvP was what people actually liked was after Taken King and a few months into Rise of Iron.

@@ZeDDiE1000 I never really said it was liked or anything about the meta, but you're right. I mean the community's standards on the level of support for pvp. Good or bad though it was more support than pvp is receiving now. Varying parts of the community have always and will forever be unhappy about the meta, changes, lack of changes, or something, and that goes for any game. However, I think the biggest problem currently is that not much of anything, good or bad, is happening in the pvp side of the game.

Yup, if you feel they are abandoning it, then isnt it time for you as well, or at least take a break? Thats the whole point of the video, to move on instead of keep hitting the same wall you are repeatedly building back up.

@@omniadoc I understand that but as someone who mainly plays pve over pvp from the outside looking in this is just sad to see

This is your opinion and it probably matched what old Bungie was willing to do. It clearly doesn’t match this new age Bungie team after the departure from Activision. Time to move on!

Funny thing is, Disjunction while it's a shitty map, it's not a new map either. Is just the reskin of Frontier map from D1, so we still haven't gotten a new map so far after 5 years.

@@tompramanaaccount8892 wow I didn’t know that. That’s just silly lol

​@@CrunchBar-tc1hgTotal bullshit. There's been ZERO focus since that comment. Reward rotations are not content.

​@@CrunchBar-tc1hgI'm probably 70-30 a pve player plus pve is dead as well after the first month of each season so I play other stuff but 2 maps in 4 years and like 12 maps removed is not delivering anything let's be honest. To say anything other than that is beyond braindead

@@CrunchBar-tc1hg and the seasonal content (70% of pve) is shit rn as well

So Destiny needs PvP players as you state, but you suggest they play dogshit boring game modes and maps and just enjoy it to keep the balance in Destiny for PvE players!? Doesn't sound like a very well thought out solution to just tell genuine fans to go play something else. Of course, moaning about it is pointless, but that's irony for you.

Well that’s the cycle, broken things never getting fixed or getting fixed by the time something else is broken. I can’t even play the game on pc competitively anymore cause my lobbies are centralized with people of similar stats and also how every decent player is the best player because of these metas. It’s just not worth it anymore.

Quit last year as well. Bought LF and refunded it almost right away. The glory days of destiny are definitely far behind us.

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PVE players think we want a whole separate game but we really only want this

Last time I checked they've done plenty of balance changes. I may not play pvp, but I sure notice pvp changes on the patch notes every big update.

​@@omegaxtrigunu don't get it if dont play pvp they dont fix or change anything

@@omegaxtrigun Antaeus Wards arc titan with knockout, juggernaut, and a fusion rifle.

@@CrunchBar-tc1hg trials didn't hold us over until taken king?

​@@CrunchBar-tc1hgYour just making shit up man. Go pull up the charts on population in D1. A tiny minority of people have even touched a raid. PvP consistently had around 50% of the daily players, and sometimes more during the long dorughts.

@@CrunchBar-tc1hg Under 15 % of community even plays raid at all, so you are objectively wrong. No one EVER watches raids gameplay on Twitch, beyond the first day a raid releases. 99.99999% of viewership is PvP

100% agree he's right this game has always been PVE focused but, completely misses or ignores the fact that for most of Destiny's life it was much more balanced between PVE/PVP and only relatively recently has it shifted towards pure PVE development focus. Also, PVP players are justified to complain because instead of being told by Bungie of the development shift they were instead strung along with promises of "renewed PVP focus" that never materialized.

I respect your point of view but for me Destiny is and always be a pve game , pvp it s just a bonus in my opinion . If i want pvp, i go to play pvp games like COD , battlefield etc ...

You're missremembering d1, it never had a pvp focus, it had less focus than pvp does now

@@inventor4279 They literally included PvP in all their showcases, trailer marketing and ViDocs all the way up till Forsaken.

@@stealthhunter6998 and? We got less sandbox updates and balance patches back in the day, also only like 4 pvp weapons a year

True, even though I’m more of a pve player myself, I dabble in pvp sometimes and do have fun, even if I feel anxious every time I do so 😅.

But why tho, like this game isn't war zone or apex. If anything these content drops were just acts of generosity. They're clearly not losing any money by not adding more pvp content, the current amount of players playing is fine. It doesn't make financial sense to add pvp content for the die-hard pvp players. Bungie has been releasing pve content every season and expansion for years now, if it ain't, broke don't fix it.

@@CrunchBar-tc1hgthe comp rework - the most overhyped reissue of the same system with very little difference in gameplay. Trials - you want to have a fixed flawless pool to stop people from ever matching you after they went flawless? Fuck you, there isn’t one. Iron Banner - we reworked the modes! However, we either made them horrifically unbalanced or shipped them with game breaking bugs, so have fun with that shit. Change for the sake of change doesn’t make the game better, it just makes it broken in new and interesting ways while failing to address many of the older issues.

@@CrunchBar-tc1hg I wouldn't count the comp rework as a rework, it's the same ranking system as before with different titles. They reworked all the vendors, not just pvp. Am I missing something about Trials? I don't remember any rework there but I haven't been playing it recently so might have missed it. Casual playlists are a shit show, all they do it change the queues to include different game modes because no one is playing them. Might be in the minority with this one, I don't know people's opinion on the matter but Iron Banner was ruined with the rework. Again I'd like to make it clear I don't expect big changes at all but to say they've been improving PvP is just lying.

@@CrunchBar-tc1hg They made comp worse, they made trials worse, they ruined all the causal playlists. People who were in charge of those "reworks" should never work anywhere again. Not even MCdonalds

You must be new to Destiny since they always promise stuff they can never deliver.

Light level is only in trials

Yeah man big facts bro big facts. Anyone who has a complaint about PvE (too easy, boring and repetitive, Day 1 raids too easy, same strikes for 7 years, etc) should also get it a grip bro big facts big facts!!

Still i think that is pathetic to play pvp all day because it pays your rent. And the worst thing of it all , he does it with other no-life streamers who also play it 24/7 and then complain about skill based matchmaking. 😂😂😂😂😂 Some streamers are such babies. Thank god gladd is not like him or thousands of other destiny pvp only streamers.

@@josamnesia2123 Gladd is crying like a baby right now about seeing a bunch of pvp players hate on destiny

Apex 😂

@@soldier1stclass638 LOL, Dude what good pvp only games are there rn? But I agree with you. It's an LOL situation. I loved OW, but OW2 is dead already.

@@cami1567 man I like red dead online bro so I'm just messed up lolz . . . Fortnite over apex though and destiny pvp I dont think will die tbh . . . I still like it . . . Its very ability based more than weapons which is what makes it such I think for most

All these responses I love to see it. Congrats on the vid Gladd. You're a boss.

What's up Path? It's Wilshire

yo how is it going ? haha

@path2949 Contemplating my life without Destiny lol. You?

@@PaulFurn89 going deep into diablo 4 XD

Oh it definitely is

Yeah maybe but Jake isnt wrong. If the AC software that Bungie is using right now in destiny is what theyre going to use for Marathon then Marathon will be DOA. The blatant cheating in destiny is a joke and Bungie should have someone that can easily shut that down fast. All the big competitive shooters will boot you mid match for cheating.

Because it's PvE focused.....you didn't watch this video did you? There's nothing to communicate about the pvp side because it's not required..... There's no Destiny pvp league or some sort of tourny that's held. Shouldn't that have sunk in by now? And now there's a pvp game from the company and now that's not good enough? Never happy, always upset. Destiny community in a nutshell.

Imagine doing excatly what the video said every pvp player does, did u even watch the video?

There is no PvP community. Players attempted to make PvP a culture but bungie played it smart with a business focus. It gave hope and took money lol. They opened pvp just enough to get some business from other PvP focused games.

​@@espectrodelayautja6320there is pvp community idk If u meant to say that but still

Perhaps if you all realise that they have stated that fixing many of the issues and implementing many of the requested features would require essentially remaking the majority of Tiger Engine. Marathon will be using the the Tiger Engine. Beyond Light shipped with them having rewriting a third of the code. Since Beyond Light, they have been able to implement many of the requested features. Even hotfix and patch turnaround time has decreased considerably. However, it's clear that even with the changes they made that PvP, player connectivity and other issues & features will require another sizable update to the code and engine. Marathon is essentially the justification to Sony for working on that update. Which also fills a requirement for one of the new titles they need for Sony. It's symbiotic, D2 will get the updates to engine and we will essentially play test those updates for Marathon. Marathon gets to release with a thoroughly play tested engine and D2 gets the updated engine it needs to implement the remaining fixes and features that cannot currently be done with the Tiger Engine as it is now. They have done all this while still releasing new content, seasons, campaigns and features. Before anyone says Marathon is Matter, it isn't. Marathon has been stated to be using the Tiger Engine, Matter will use Unreal. Which is why the majority of new Bungie joblistings are asking for people with Unreal experience and skills. Bungie making Marathon an extraction shooter based on the Tiger Engine is frankly an ingenious idea that delivers on contractual obligations to Sony while allowing them to update D2's engine. I find it to be baffling how few people realise or acknowledge any of this. Just seems most people, essentially content creators, completely overlook the important information. And it's not like I go pouring over every bit if information Bungie releases either, officially or otherwise. It's just info I've picked up over the years from listening to TWAB reads, VIDOC reviews and patch release notes being looked at by people like Cross. Yet, for some absolutely mind boggling reason; None of you seem to be aware of these basic facts. Also, please don't take this as defence of their monetisation practices or the lacklustre content releases like Light Fail. It's merely an observation of mine that is often oddly overlooked or wilfully ignored for rage baiting clicks(The Helm of In Most Light wearing red armoured Titan predominately). It's honestly beyond my comprehension how it seems like no one knows all this, either that or they just refuse to acknowledge it. It's truly bizarre...

PvP was already bad.

I think the issue is pvp players actually believe that and keep hoping for content 😂 they need to learn to let go and just move on if they aren't going to accept what Gladd is saying here

Bro you’re missing the whole point. You are telling yourself you’re stuck. He’s giving you the wake up call you need. He’s clearly saying you’re never gonna get these things you and the whole PvP community have been asking for. It’s time to stop making excuses for sticking around. Like he said it’s self inflicted at this point. Even I as a Pve main have limited my time in this game. You can do it too.

@@thebladesofkaos where huh? Where should I go? What game has even remotely similar game play to destiny? What game has similar build potential, loadout variety, gun feel, weapon variety, or even classes slightly similar to D2? If there was somewhere else to be, trust me, I would be there. My point is that for people who like mid to high ttk movement shooters there is nothing to play besides D2. Bungie has unchallenged lightning in a bottle, and every day it loses a bit of charge. Instead of fixing or innovating they refuse to even remotely support PvP in one of the games with the greatest potential, possibly ever. I'm extremely sick of people telling bungie it's OK for them to neglect 90% of the game's live audience, and 30-40% of the game's players, just because they think PvP isn't important to Destiny's very existence.

@@KnownAsSyshonestly just take a break from the game it will help you mentally and if more ppl take break it could be a wake up call to bungie

Doesn’t matter if we whine. We still won’t get it. Bungie has their own capabilities and timelines.

To be fair, he did say he was gonna change but he just keeps going back to beating the shit out of me every time. Battered-woman syndrome.

@@thebladesofkaos I’m not excusing them, I’m just saying that Bungie themselves did say something about pvp, therefore giving the pvp players some hope