Would you want to though? For the same prices retail you could pick up some watches just as impressive if not more so, packing way more complication than most

@@bungerroyale112 thats a good question, only real reason some people don't buy fake designer watches is because people will call them out on it. Id much rather buy 10 fake rolexes for a few hundred bucks than sell my liver to buy a real one and not have it do anything greater than the fakes.

yes, your annual salary is their pocket change. but why would you need it anyway, to admire craftsmanship or for investment there are way better options.

It has always been like this unfortunately, Shah of Iran was the first customer and owner of AP Royal Oak. That’s to begin with …

You can just scratch out all of those except for millionaire's children, the rest are a statistical zero in this market population

Where did you get it from? Asking for a friend 🤣

@@andrewdoe3488 Sweetyclones

@@stevekannan6076 thank you! on Instagram?

@@andrewdoe3488 Yes

Gross.

Agree completely!

no, it IS a stunning watch. how the hell would Citizen make it? Takes a lot of artisans, a lot of time to make one. Citizen watches are made by robots.

I can remember everyone laughing at the aquanaut because it was on a rubber strap. I loved them from the beginning to be honest.. But I understand your point 100%.

Horses for courses. Not to knock your taste @kaunas888 but in total contrast, the first time I saw a Nautilus was recently: A fake, in the Grand Bazzar, Istanbul. Being ignorant of Patek watches, I had no idea of it's history, value or modern Hourological relevance. I didn't want to buy a fake but liked the look of it, so took off my seamaster, tried it on and fell in love. As said, I was totally innocent about them and assumed it was a new model, designed specifically to look sort of retro in a really cool way. It fit, felt and looked fantastic. The proportions, weight, ballance and way it sits on the wrist was exceptional and clearly shows how little actual ergonomic design, goes into most other watches. I'd never worn anything like it and my partner pointed out it was the nicest watch she had ever seen me wear, way better than any of my Omegas or my Santos. Doing my research once I got home, I was extremely disappointed to find a 'real one', was out of the question and really wish I had picked up the fake!😂

I also tried at an AD a blue dial VC Overseas chrono at 21K€ in 2020, did not realize it would become a hit. Saw today a brand new AP bleu dial, seller wanting 110K€ !

Me too, just before lockdown in Feb 2020. The dealer even gave me discount! I’m totally bewildered by current prices.

You think it’s possible to still be able to get an overseas?

You won't find much solace in the logo at 1:53 either. Yikes!

They are in Montreal, you just haven’t noticed them.

SEA?

Agreed. Heresy!

Agree 100% 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

agreed

Oh wow you’re totally right.

At least with a watch, you get something that’s tangible and couldn’t be replicated by simply a copy and paste essentially. A sign that maybe I’m getting old and cranky. Haha

@@STEVEARABIA1 no. You are correct. When the bear market hits, nfts go down 99 percent

NFTs have zero artistic value

And stop calling NFTs a market, it's a bunch of ignorant dogs that don't even want to know a thing about how an actual market must function

An NFT is just a receipt with a URL attached. Nobody can stop you from making another NFT with the same URL. The first tweet was sold as an NFT for thousands of dollars, but there is literally nothing stopping you from minting a brand new NFT of that exact same tweet for less than a hundred. Nobody who has an NFT actually wants to be the last person to own it - they all want to sell it to someone else down the line. Once people start realizing that nobody who has NFTs actually wants them, they're going to start panic selling.

So true. But just as now, investment watches is not investing in watches but only in a certain type of watches. If you collected solid gold Lange or repeater watches than you are still very much sitting on gold. A silver omega from the 1920s not so much….

Yup same here. I managed to snag a VC OverSeas in 2019 right before they went extinct. Wanted to snag an AP Royal Oak. Was on the imaginary "waitlist" for a Rolex Rootbeer as well. Pretty much gave up on all of them and watches all together. Found a new hobby over the pandemic. Got tired of playing all the AD games and waiting. Sad to say, watch collecting is now "Grey Market R Us" and for people who are well off that can just scoop one off the Grey Market.

Agreed it will crash and these grey market dealers playing with debt will go bang and have to sell off stock. Every market has cycles

Agreed! But there are plenty of under appreciated watches that are affordable and can bring join. And if you think the watch market is bad, try buying a house in any major market in the US. It’s as frustrating if not more so. You don’t need a watch; you need shelter.

@@mitchmitchell9588 that's true. I've gotten Omegas, Hamiltons, and Grand Seiko. Believe it or even those are getting hard to come by. Especially certain Omegas. As for housing, 100% agree. I just bought a house in 2020 so I know the pain. Got very fortunate to buy a house.

Genta had the magic touch and I mean in a good way. The time was right and the rest is history.

Aaah.............Shoulda, woulda, coulda............ My brother almost bought a Banksy in 2001 for a few hundred quid.... still sickens him that he didn't.

@@crh7742 I don’t dwell on it but when I think of it, always have a small pang of regret. I am a bit of a nerd (software engineer) and I found out about bitcoin back in 2011 or 2012 and bought like 100 or 150 of them. Was way before walkers were a thing so I had them stored on my hard drive. Well it died because those early solid state drives sucked and I thought nothing of it and tossed it in the trash. I feel like nothing good would have come of the money but if I thought I could go to the dump and find it… I would haha. That’s my biggest financial mistake. The banksy would have been worth a TON now. That’s so wild.

@@jolness1 ouch! Bit like losing a lottery ticket! Could be the owner of several Richard Milles now!!

I came so close to selling everything I own and go all in on bitcoin when it came out.

@@crh7742 lol what a dork. that'd be millions now and be could even buy a patek

It is but not so much in this case, it gets so odd for 70+ on to 99. Just unnecessarily long winded.

There's actually a lot of errors in this video...

They were a 'thing' for a brief period in the 90's when it was still watch nerds on forums. Their small size is probably the limiting factor, vintage tool watches tending to be larger and that's what most male collectors want. 70's dress watches got larger. Fashion being one reason. IMHO another reason was that pesky quartz again. Early quartz movements were larger and so the cases and watches had to be and that drove the fashion. I'm getting the impression vintage gold dress watches being touted by some out there as supply of vintage tool watches stagnates.

Simple. Dress watches are out of fashion, so is gold and so is ultra thin. It is all about steel sports.

No it's not. I collect items like this (guns, knives, watches, etc) and they never leave my house, nor do I tell people about them. It's a self-satisfaction of owning something special which holds resaleable value should I decide to liquidate.

Glen that’s an extremely low resolution remedial take … sad

Awful take

@@HEATSEEKER00 I am far from "sad".I just think and see.

I agree and disagree. Many people buy these ‘holy trinity’ sports watches for an investment or for image. I bet most such people wouldn’t even bother to admire the hand finishing under a loupe. True enthusiasts however would appreciate the craftsmanship, hundreds of man-hours design and precision of this mechanical wonders. That said, with their ludicrous prices they are still hyped (well certainly the Nautilus anyway).

Quickset date not available on a 15k watch, I was done with app when I saw that. Status =/= quality for sure !

no hacking seconds hand and a scratch magnet 🤷🏻‍♂

It sure looks like an all metal sports watch; one should be able to swim with it.

I mean, every clownish, rosegold, rainbow stonetiled Rolex is safe to swim as long as it bears the Oyster nametag, so 99% of them. It‘s pathetic. I mean that is not an instrument, it is a bracelet that burns cash if you submerge it.

That's the case for other things than horlogery, in the last 40 years prices never went down.

It will of course burst. The reason being that most are bought by speculators hoping the rise will continue, not by people wanting to use them. The latter would create a strong and enduring market, the former is a total house of cards. Without 1000s of genuine end users willing to pay silly money it is just a false market.

I agree with your statement. Have you tried to purchase a F.P. Journe recently? Regrettably there are insane waitlists too.

Tissot Rock Watch, wow you sparked a memory there 👍🏻👍🏻

They won't respond to your inquiry anyhow. I sent an email 3 months ago with money in hand and they couldn't be bothered to respond.

Gotta disagree, compared to the regular RO next to it, the logo which is simply printed on the dial, instead of a dedicated area on the dial almost makes it look like a bad copy.

In terms of design, yes. But in terms of quality, the Nautilus is definitely higher. The RO has a brash unfinished quality. My watch at first felt it had too many sharp edges, and had that rough steel on steel feel. Occasionally there was the hair tug on my wrist too. After wearing for a couple weeks, I guess my skin oils helped lubricate the watch a bit so the watch feels better. The Nautilus has a silk smooth quality right from the start. Simply is a more polished product.

Exactly. Well said. Don't buy hype. Buy what you like. If it happens to be one of the hype watches, then you have to dig deep or find something else.

I just hope that when the hype is over, watch collecting will not be tainted and looked upon like one of those crazy watch collecting guys who paid insane money for those things. Like stamp collectors are now a days looked upon (as a kid I loved to collect stamps)

@@zgfvavw3037 that could happen. I do hope we don't get to that. at least we're seeing more and more young people designing and building new horological masterpieces. this gives us hope for the future of watches.

Care to share any brands that you think are still rock solid in quality and build and yet selling for below retail?

@@aark89 these watches are in no order and are based solely on my tastes and opinions: Chopard Alpine Eagle, H. Moser Pioneer, Zenith Defy Classic (skeleton), Glashutte Original SeaQ, Almost any Nomos...amongst others...

what a shame you should sell the PP so it can get worn sorry to be negative but If I owned a Patek Phillipe I would where it quite regularly as it's my end goal brand to own

That is the issue once an item is perceived as an investment. They all start to find themselves hidden in safety deposit boxes and not worn and enjoyed. The funny thing is that PP can control release of new stock, but nobody can control when the deposited ones all come out. There are far more of them than there are people willing to pay $200,000 for a steel sports watch. When the price tops out it could be interesting.

Just sad to see that a watch owned you…

They will never be because it's a battery with a bracelet and some dials

Just look at fp journe, selling 4x their retail price as a quartz watch

What have you landed on? Personally, I am a big fan of the current Cartier Santos

@@TheRealMafoo The Santos is a nice watch. The dressiest watch I'm looking at these days is the Rose Gold/SS 38mm Omega Constellation, which is discontinued now, but you can still find BNIB from Japan. I bought a Clerc Hydroscaph when a Swiss guy was blowing out inventory last year, picked up a few cheap Russian watches that I liked, then a Zenith El Primero 'Big Blue', a Corum Romulus, a Zodiac Astrographic 2000, a G-Shock, and I'm currently looking at Linde Werdelin. I don't want to spend that much yet, so I am trying to scratch that itch with a Reef Tiger Black Shark from Aliexpress :) Waiting on that one to show up.

@@davidmulligan42 how about the chopard alpine eagle?

@@samfaris313 That one is a watch I'd have to see and try on before deciding. I'm still not sure whether I like it or not, but it's a good watch either way.

Dornbluth looks boring

@@SGfamilies Make it until you like it. I have a feeling within a couple of years the wait list will be over 2 years or more and the price will be over the roof. There are other micro brands to chose from. Its up to YOU to find the needle in the haystack.

@@roberthiers5606 I think you might be right on Dornbluth. Looks like a quality watch.

@@SGfamilies Thank You. Unlike the rest of the herd, you will be getting a bespoke watch.

Well put. I too think the waiting time for Dornbluth will go up. The bespoke crafting and the superlative quality of the finish blew me away when Watchfinder featured them.

Agreed, but it depends on the housing market. When contrasted to down payments for NYC, LA or SF, watch prices are in-line. That shows that both markets are a mess!

Well obviously you aren't a buyer with disposable excess income

@@mitchmitchell9588 My point is, if the watch costs as much as half a house ANYWHERE, that money could be used for better purposes, the most I've ever spent on a watch is $10k, and anymore than that just seems like a waste.

@Jay S I get it. It’s always a good idea to have a limit on the spend for a watch or a car…or a night at the baccarat table. I could make the argument for $20k, but I doubt I would persuade you. Alas, I am not as convincing as Bill the Butcher…

With digitals it's more about things like screens. The batteries are all still available. I've a few early Swiss analogue quartz watches from 1970-74 and they all work, though having spare movements is a given. They have become quite collectable and prices have gone up a litte, but still pretty affordable. Early LED/LCD digitals were always quite collectable within a small niche of enthusiasts and some of them can be pretty expensive.

I'm holding on to my seiko data 2000 that still works. Maybe by the time I retire it will sell at auction for crazy money. But somehow I doubt it. 😆

@@The_action_is_the_juice You never know Willy. 😆 And I'm only half joking. Y'know those 60's and 70's Rolex Daytonas that go for bazillians? Ever wonder why they're so rare? Ever wonder why you see ones that are new in box? Nobody bought them. They were about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit, especially the "newman" style. By the 70's they were selling them to their extended staff for in the UK for 40-50 quid. The 'trck' if there is one is to hang onto something that was expensive and quality when new, but went 'unfashionable' and usually dumped, because that's usually what will be a fashionable collectable one day.

The name: Nautilus is magical since it's associated with a Jules Verne novel. Patek Philippe itself was known for very high-end pocket-watches. The PP Nautilus bring it all together. I think it's over-priced for the piece itself but I think you are paying for the history primarily. I know I would like to have one.

Agreed

@@michaelriera6277 Yep....Top-end Omegas and good quality vintage Omegas definitely on the up.

Omega watches sinks in market as long as the they keep supply going.

China and India have an emerging middle class that's buying the luxuries they couldn't afford until this point.

@@JulesBrunoJjBaggy a very good point also my friend.

Money, once again, is what created these watches in the first place

@@Armoer Money created it and money ruined it. Two things can be true at the same time.

@@betog.6229 I am aware. That is what I meant. But many people fail to recognize that most good things in life are driven by money as well

Money made it possible. Greed made it unbearable.