I don't think that the Valar would forsake the Middle Earth. Sauron couldn't win no matter what.

It gets me everytime.

@@gujikujtutu2330 Not sure if that's true. I'm a little rusty on the lore but I'm pretty sure middle earth was created for the humans and they looked at the problem with Sauron as something the humans should overcome. Even the elves were packing up and leaving middle earth. The wizards were sent to help but they took a very passive approach even choosing to be old men to look as non threatening as possible and only being able to use a fraction of there true power. Sure they would probly take care of Sauron eventually but I don't remember anything pointing to the Valar personally going to middle earth to stop Sauron.

Gandalf was much more confident in the books, along with Aragorn. They didn’t plan this escapade without very much thought.

@@gujikujtutu2330 The Last time the Valar became involved I believe the Isle of Numenor was sunken into the sea. That was just with Sauron attempting to take a stronghold of men. If the Valar got involved with the War of the Ring in a final effort to save Middle Earth, the Valar would win, but Middle Earth likely would've been destroyed in the process. So it really wouldn't have been saved. Sauron ruling over all of creation the way he was threatening to may have proven apocalyptic for Middle Earth had the Fellowship not succeeded.

It's like he knew all along that Sam would go with him. His facial expressions are amazing.

@@skalapunk I'd hope so. He was the one who sent sam with him in the first place.

Best ten seconds in the entire trilogy. Subtle and perfect.

It’s a prosthetic.

Didi? Dididiiiid?

You mean Magneto's acting

Harry Hale You mean SIR Ian McKellen's acting ;)

He could have his way with me

​@@mistermysteryman107but it is not this day!

A real man doesn't need to bellow to make himself heard all the time. A strong man can speak softly because people will still listen all the more intently.

@@daniels7907 There is ZERO correlation between the way you speak, look, act, or your size with how strong of a man you are. NONE. They just get it DONE. Show your actions, nothing else matters. NOTHING.

The fuck do you mean it kills you? That you look down on him speaking in that gentle manner? Prick. Gandalf was talking softly the whole time, and obviously the whole time Aragorn was feeling doubt. Then worry and doubt when Gandalf brings up Frodo, but he reassures him by saying Sauron doesn't even expect it. He then restates the better odds that Frodo has a means of support. Everything leading up to that is a debrief and the softest way of assuring Aragorn, and he responded in a way consistent with the way anyone capable of reading the room would see, how the hell did you expect Aragorn to speak: "SHIT, SAM'S GOT HIS BACK BRO ALL GOOD", Gandalf would've been like - "You good, bro?".

From same part of England as me

"Don't you leave him Samwise Gamgee" I think even Gandalf himself originally underestimated Sam's determination to carry out this task.

Yep. It’s safe to assume that Sam is definitely the most fearful of the 4 hobbits yet Sam conquers his own fear and is able to keep his word after confronting orcs and seeing balrog. These are things that hobbits just don’t do yet he still stayed true to his word. Gandalf realized that they still have a fighting chance.

@@bfettrules1239 The most fearful in the beginning, and the most courageous in the end

Sam is the biggest chad in the series. "I cant carry it for you. BUT I CAN CARRY YOU!" I think out of all the inspiring characters hes the man Id want to be

It really is such a perfect scene. Gandalf the White, this super powerful being, exceptionally pleased that a fat gardener hobbit went his his hobbit employer on a secret mission to save the world. Gandalf knew the burden of Frodo and the importance of Sam being there, someone of a stout incorruptible spirit to share the burden. As someone who grew up with the books instead of the movies, I still find myself going back to this scene over and over because of the sheer impact of it. It's perfect.

I get why they did: Gandalf is basically doing a “previously on LOTR” here and recapping the plot. It would have slowed the pacing.

@@hothotheat3000 some of the info is new, like "oh, Saruman and Sauron arent aware of the plan to destroy the ring?" but yeah, it did feel like a bit of a "previously on" with a lot of exposition. but its worth it just for the ending of the scene.

@@hothotheat3000 It screws with the plot because Gandalf would have noticed Sam was not with them.. And asked where he was by now..

The best scene? That’s sarcasm right? This whole scene is nothing but exposition. Exposition we already know I might add. It almost feels as though Gandalf is recapping the plot for people who are just tuning into the story. The ending is pretty nice but it’s kind of weird that he wouldn’t have asked about Sam earlier.

+blkcpdconure They're all heroes! The fellowship, they all couldn't have done it without each other. But Sam is wonderful, yes :)

+blkcpdconure everyone is a hero in the fellowship in some shape or form

The only one I thought deserved an acting nomination.

Misspelled Smeagol

Actually Gollum is the true heroe on the return of the king, because when he took the ring from Frodo at mount doom and he was jumping because he was so happy of having his precious back and he tripped, he accidentally saved all Middle Earth

This is a thing for a lot of very ancient characters, especially ones that are very involved in the universe such as Gandalf. They'll start speaking to someone and then quietly drift off into so many directions as they're really talking to themselves or thinking aloud. Tom Bombadil does this as well in the first book.

It's contemplative and analytical. Highly perceptive and strategic-minded. I love these types of conversations!

@@davecrupel2817 All the prescient characters were cleverly used for exposition

@@timovangalen1589 Pretty much! To help the audience understand the bigger, strategic picture.

Gus McWilliams you win

Probably assumes he went back to the Shire.

Carol Bradley very very good question

Gandalf already knows, he actually (using his mind ) saw Frodo at Amon Hen and presumably Sam as well.

my interpretation has always been that gandalf the grey sees the little things and how they build up to big change, but as the white wizard, like saruman before him, his mind is completely focussed on the big pictrure

@@SantomPh I don’t think he saw Sam going with Frodo. The fact that he went with Frodo is revealed to him by Legolas in Fangorn…at least in the books

Sam had a stout and incorruptible spirit, was stubborn and annoying at times. But Gandalf knew Sam was intensely loyal to his friend, Frodo. And Gandalf knows the key to it all is not selfishness, but selflessness. Frodo believes it is his burden to carry, which could lead him to corruption. Sam is an innocent gardener who has no desire for wealth or power. They are perfect together and Gandalf knows that. Sure, Gandalf is annoyed at Sam a lot as he is with the other hobbits for their seemingly flippant and naive behavior. But he's spent enough time with hobbits over the years (Saruman used to make fun of him for this) that he knows more about them than anyone else. He knows Frodo and Sam need each other. The movies don't show it, but Sam actually uses the Ring in the books to hide and rescue Frodo after Frodo's been captured on the borders of Mordor. The Ring takes a small hold on Sam at one point, but he dismisses his visions and delusions of grandeur as being just that. Sam was special in his innocence and loyalty.

​@@davideagin5321"Friend"? If ever there was a sub/dom relationship in literature.....

It's "leave" not "lose" but your point is still made

@@uAvengerable in the cornfield in Fellowship of the Ring: it was 'lose' and it was 'leave' as the Fellowship was breaking up. Link: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adOmd7SItLeWmX0.html

@@rossgowran8122 ah ok, thanks!!

@@uAvengerable no problem. I also showed the link to prove my point. 😉

Sauron fears that Aragorn could use the Ring to overthrown him. He is not ordinary man, but direct descendant of Luthien and Melian the maia. How he would defeat him? We have no idea, since Tolkien was so vague when it comes to magic in Middle Earth. He did explained however that direct confrontation with Sauron was out of the question - the Ring would not act against his rightful master in his presence.

I think it’s intentionally left vague, since the exact mechanics of using the ring are left equally vague. We just know Aragorn becoming king and uniting men is important and that Sauron has it all mapped out for an overwhelming victory due to the size of his armies and the disarray of Men, so Aragorn challenging him makes it that much harder for Sauron until he gets his ring back.

You could also think of Sauron as a creature who leaves as little to chance as possible. Without Aragon returning to unite the free people of middle Earth Saurons victory is assured and will be quick. If Aragon does become king his chances drop down to like a 93% chance of victory, but it also guarantees a long grueling war. Also take note that Saurons goal is not to destroy middle Earth he just wants to become it's God basically. He is actually an extremely skilled diplomat and was willing to let all the people love under his rule of they agreed to be under his rule relinquishing all their weapons to him.

Read the books. Sauron was not Morgoth, Sauron was a deceiver and not a warrior. Hell, even WITH THE RING OF POWER he was defeated by Elendil (a king from Numenorean bloodline) and Gil-Galad (an Elven King). They didn't have any specific special magical powers or anything, but they killed Sauron in battle, just the two of them. They both died and that's when Isildur cut the Ring from Sauron's "dead" hand. You've got to understand that the Ring is not some kind of super weapon that makes you invincible, it simply makes some wearers feel that way so that it can get back to its master. The Ring magnified Sauron's power because he put his life force into it and it would allow him to control and manipulate all of the other rings of power, which would allow him to take control, in a sense, the elves and dwarves who still had their rings, and would make the Nazgul more powerful. Again, Sauron was a deceiver like Satan, not some kind of super-powerful warrior god like Morgoth. A lot of the people in Middle-Earth were isolationist. The Elves had retreated into the woods long ago, the Dwarves were obsessed with mining caverns and finding gold and mithril and other materials, basically stuck underground squabbling amongst themselves for metals. Hobbits were irrelevant according to almost anyone. But Humans seemed industrious and willing to spread out and find new lands and coalesce into kingdoms and build armies. Sauron especially feared the Numenorean bloodline because they were a royal, active group of people who had thwarted him for centuries. The Rangers had been squashing small incursions for years. He feared the re-establishment of a Numenorean ruler because he knew that people would follow this royal bloodline, the same bloodline that had made an alliance with the Elves and defeated his armies and killed him. Sauron underestimates Aragorn's resolve and believes Aragorn will use the Ring to become a supreme ruler and overthrow him as the ruler of Middle Earth. So when Aragorn uses the Palantir, the same one Pippen used, Sauron believes Aragorn has the Ring and had taken it from the Hobbit (Sauron only knows that a Hobbit has the Ring, not which one in particular). Aragorn and Gandalf and the armies, what's left of them anyway, march to the Black Gate after the Siege of Minas Tirith because they make a calculated gamble that Frodo is still safe and continuing his journey (if Sauron had the Ring, they think they would have known by now). So they march to the northern Black Gate of Mordor to distract Sauron from Frodo and Sam plodding their way to Mount Doom in hopes that Sauron believes Aragorn has the Ring and that it will draw out the entirety of Sauron's army in Mordor to face them there, giving Frodo and Sam enough time to destroy the Ring. It works and Mordor clears out, Frodo and Sam make it to Mount Doom and the Ring is destroyed.

He would have asked where SAM is and this scene would never have happened...... Maybe that is why they took it out....

Dead? It is a cruel world and it is a miracle that Merry and Pippin survived the orcs. Home? If Frodo pulled off his escape, alone?

He just assumed Sam was dead.

Ahh memories..except for the battle at helms deep. Damn those levels are super hard.

Tom Buxton aragorn explains at the beginning of the film that Sam went with frodo

He already knows, he helped Frodo fight off Sauron's Eye when he was on Amon Hen and saw everything that happenned including Boromir's death and Merry & Pippin getting taken

Not if the people switch their loyalty to the true king. Especially since Denethor has gone off the deep end and has become corrupted. Its not hard to see why the soldiers of Gondor would turn on him when a real leader, a real king, shows up.

I would think that Gandalf thought that Frodo would have left without telling Sam or let Sam go with him, as is in his nature. Gandalf knew of this when Frodo told him in Hobbiton that he was willing to leave Bag End alone with the Ring to protect it.

Dragblacker In Shire, eating his roasted chicken

+Ismail Rosli no no potatoes, because you can boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew. Very nice

In Frodo's garden.

Because he was to become a king to unite and lead all Men to fight Sauron.

Walt Kovacs Maybe dead at Amon Hen?

The scene makes alot more sense in the books. PJ kept the dialog but he changed the timing around so that Gandalf looks kinda dumb.

Elendil was the Lord of Aduinale of Numenor, whose first lord was descended from the eldest daughter and child of the third King of Numenor, he is not "petty" by any means. The Lords of Aduinale were all kinsman of the royal family.

@@vehx9316 amazing stuff though.