The Ultimate 12L PC Case? Dan C4-SFX Review

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3 жыл бұрын

Today we're checking out the long awaited Dan C4-SFX, and seeing how it compares to cases like the Ncase M1, Formd T1, and SSUPD Meshlicious.
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@CrashForce
@CrashForce 3 жыл бұрын
Everytime I watch your videos, I have to tell myself that I do not need an sff build in my life lol
@umesh01patel53
@umesh01patel53 3 жыл бұрын
Same I have a perfect ATZ build but watching his videos just persuade me to build an sff
@pkjk1255
@pkjk1255 3 жыл бұрын
Just do it, and you won't ever look back😂
@scarletscarlet800
@scarletscarlet800 3 жыл бұрын
Same, I'm more of a laptop guy, but his builds are just so cool to look at. I admire them as a beautifully crafted furniture.
@joelconolly5574
@joelconolly5574 3 жыл бұрын
You're basically getting a brick-ish size PC that doesn't obstruct your desk that much. So win win.
@OptimumSlinky
@OptimumSlinky 3 жыл бұрын
I said the same thing. Now I have a black NR200P on my desk and an empty Define R6 TG in my closet...
@lukeochoa3989
@lukeochoa3989 3 жыл бұрын
Your production value is amazing like always, and greatly appreciated!
@dasauto7346
@dasauto7346 3 жыл бұрын
Another awesome case for my awesome imaginary graphics card
@nayeebG
@nayeebG 3 жыл бұрын
Another imaginary awesome case for my awesome imaginary gpu, cpu, ram, ssd etc. 🙂
@tazwarzawad7413
@tazwarzawad7413 3 жыл бұрын
Another imaginary case for my imaginary itx pc and over all desk setup
@richardfarmer6570
@richardfarmer6570 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your honest thoughts on this case, not quite as good as I was hoping. Looks promising with the flipped aircoooling build and I do look forward to your full loop.
@nexorabolis
@nexorabolis 3 жыл бұрын
Every day I hug my M1 just a little bit tighter. Best case I’ve ever bought
@ZMASLO
@ZMASLO 3 жыл бұрын
Looks cool, but NR200P works for me for now :D
@9blunted
@9blunted 3 жыл бұрын
Yea I agree. Ill take that for under $100 and a bit more room to play around in while still very small.
@handlealreadytaken
@handlealreadytaken 3 жыл бұрын
I was about to make the same comment. The NR200 just hit the mark with the small exception of no USB-C connector on the front. However, I will forgive that given the price and great cooling.
@chongwong
@chongwong 3 жыл бұрын
Me too, I crammed a thick 280, a slim 240 a 3090 FE with an EKWB, and the barrow pump/res/block combo. It was a dick to build so I dont want to go smaller😂
@andro7599
@andro7599 3 жыл бұрын
So you can thank nzxt for the h1 riser problem. And bad thermals with 30xx rtx.
@lucky-productions
@lucky-productions 3 жыл бұрын
yup, everytime he showed the bar charts I'd go "oooh that look good. Oh no wait, my NR200 is still better".
@farzamimani5339
@farzamimani5339 3 жыл бұрын
You ALWAYS deliver with your content man. Keep it up
@metabase9666
@metabase9666 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing some custom loops in this case, love the video's keep it up! My next build will be an sff build thanks to you.
@g1zmo85
@g1zmo85 3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome, Dan is so good with their cases, I’d pick one up if I didn’t just get the NCase M1 v5 but really love the NCase so I’m happy.
@JohnyMcNeal
@JohnyMcNeal 3 жыл бұрын
At least once per quarter we get an ultimate pc case, pc hw market started to look like audiofille world, we only lack ultra expensive cables for more performance.
@moritzmoldau5739
@moritzmoldau5739 3 жыл бұрын
You missed this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kM2paMmJkry0c6c.html
@triliner254
@triliner254 2 жыл бұрын
@@moritzmoldau5739 I did not expect that to exist lmao.
@andrewvigil2040
@andrewvigil2040 3 жыл бұрын
After such a long time watching the Forums, thank you for the review Ali!!
@davea.9927
@davea.9927 3 жыл бұрын
Wooo was looking forward to this
@radiantav
@radiantav 3 жыл бұрын
Great review, I love all the points said. I was aiming for this case but eventually ordered Sliger S620 since it was available for months now.
@ikempi
@ikempi 3 жыл бұрын
Still enjoying my NR200. Thanks for the reviews - keep them coming! I might consider this case, if one of my friends needs next rig.
@wayneedmondson1065
@wayneedmondson1065 3 жыл бұрын
Looks awesome! Thanks for the thorough and interesting review. Thumbs up!!
@mredgeworthvii
@mredgeworthvii 3 жыл бұрын
Really looking forward to your custom loop review in this case!
@simplerudd9235
@simplerudd9235 3 жыл бұрын
I'm always impressed with your case reviews! I can't wait to get an opportunity to build an SFF with a custom loop. I don't think I can count my ShiftX lol.
@trowawayacc
@trowawayacc 3 жыл бұрын
Man i really want this sff industry to take off. I would love a comparison between sff and laptops for productivity (blender, cinema4d, etc) from the value perspective.
@normaldude5960
@normaldude5960 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, Ali. As always great work (Y). I think i`ll stay with my Sliger SM580 as long as there's no better alternative regarding airflow.
@user-zy4kp9xp5s
@user-zy4kp9xp5s 3 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this video/case for 3 years 😁 it's about time
@xSixtus
@xSixtus 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. That review was a lot of work. Very nice!
@Log1kzTFK
@Log1kzTFK 3 жыл бұрын
Sick as always man. This looks like the sweet spot for me
@ph0o84r
@ph0o84r 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see a custom loop in this case
@tldrinfographics5769
@tldrinfographics5769 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome content as usual!
@Young719
@Young719 3 жыл бұрын
this is hella tempting, your vids make me wanna cop one asap
@HyrryUpShrimp
@HyrryUpShrimp 3 жыл бұрын
cool, I have DAN-A4 now, looking forward to this case and would like to see a custom loop in it - great video
@talren
@talren 3 жыл бұрын
You are the best ! Keep up the good work : )
@GuillaumeDanat
@GuillaumeDanat 3 жыл бұрын
Nice review as always.
@Dimich1993
@Dimich1993 3 жыл бұрын
Lighting is always on point here. 👌
@sffbuilds5242
@sffbuilds5242 2 жыл бұрын
The flipped orientation is the key feature here, hope case designers take note.
@werdfeefs7027
@werdfeefs7027 3 жыл бұрын
I *am* impressed with the flexibility of this case... But footprint matters more than sheer volume, at least to my eyes. I'll stick with my Dr Zaber Sentry - easier to transport, much less desk space, and personally, far better looks than lian-li created cases.
@habib6863
@habib6863 3 жыл бұрын
Me, looking at buying a meshify 2 XL, desk space? where?
@jacobltillman
@jacobltillman 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion Lian Li's Meshlicious case is uncontested for the best looking ITX case. The sentry is the way to go for portability though
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Жыл бұрын
Is the power button LED only red or are there different colors available?
@luke7542
@luke7542 3 жыл бұрын
everytime when there is a new video about sff cases it makes me worried but after hearing I feel great for owning M1 ncase
@ChristopherBrown101
@ChristopherBrown101 3 жыл бұрын
Man that is such a cool little case!
@kellylu4625
@kellylu4625 3 жыл бұрын
It's finally here lol, excited to see some builds in the future
@sparkplugbarrens
@sparkplugbarrens 3 жыл бұрын
All I wanna see now is your custom loop in this case 🤩
@thebrandonw2742
@thebrandonw2742 3 жыл бұрын
Facts.
@jackgregory9014
@jackgregory9014 3 жыл бұрын
Everytime I see one of these, I look at my NR200 and feel like I accidentally picked the right one.
@thebrandonw2742
@thebrandonw2742 3 жыл бұрын
yeah but that thing is 18 liters plus doesn't really look very 'classy' at all. honestly its not enough SFF at that point imo. anything over 15 liters should not be considered SFF. Plus the temps from an NR200 aren't really that much better than the smaller cases. I get that it's cheap and a pretty good case, but it's kind of in the wrong grouping. Honestly think the Meshlicious will soon be the crowned king of SFF cases as we see more builds coming out. I just bought one also, and can't wait to move my build over to it for testing.
@jinliangfoo8546
@jinliangfoo8546 3 жыл бұрын
@@rowschank God save us from the size snobs. Can't wait for someone to move the goalposts yet again and say anything larger than 7L that isn't transportable in a backpack isn't SFF. Where does it end?
@thebrandonw2742
@thebrandonw2742 3 жыл бұрын
@@rowschank I’m aware of the general definition. I just have my own opinion. Personally if it can’t look classy in a modern style minimalist desk setup, placed on top of the desk, it’s too big. This is probably because I’m older but I don’t want anything at my house that screams holy crap a 16 yr old gamer lives here. My opinion doesn’t have to be popular, I’m cool with that.
@ilmadiarto
@ilmadiarto 2 жыл бұрын
Superb video works 🔥🔥
@CaveyMoth
@CaveyMoth 3 жыл бұрын
I love the use of the phrase, "Needs a lot of work," Whenever there is a problem to discuss. It's a very objective thing to say.
@michaelthompson9798
@michaelthompson9798 3 жыл бұрын
Despite some cooling quirks, it’s a sweet looking case. Great review Ali 🥰🤯🥳🎉👍.
@GR-cd2kx
@GR-cd2kx 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting case, thanks for the review. Note: the Noctua D9L will fit as well. I’ll stick to the NR200
@CarlCabralEntertainment
@CarlCabralEntertainment 3 жыл бұрын
Your channel is great!
@SingleMaltZombie
@SingleMaltZombie 3 жыл бұрын
I hope you are going to do a custom loop similar to your Ncase. Especially would love to see what kind of options and ideas you come up to with this one wrt the reservoir.
@chrisdotdash5154
@chrisdotdash5154 3 жыл бұрын
New intro is cool! Dark mode friendly 😆
@tphased2163
@tphased2163 3 жыл бұрын
Im looking forward to see that dual 280 rad build
@arfmf
@arfmf 3 жыл бұрын
We need to see the performance of a deshrouded GPU with fans exhausting up in this reverse layout.
@popcornmaster17
@popcornmaster17 3 жыл бұрын
Seconded, if you're going to be doing more testing please try this layout. It would be greatly appreciated
@cptwhite
@cptwhite 3 жыл бұрын
Been waiting just as long, let's do this...
@evilcab
@evilcab 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for this!
@123cez123
@123cez123 3 жыл бұрын
Another premium SFF case which makes my NR200 shine. With more reviews of other cases the more I appreciate Cooler Master for building such a great consumer case.
@shaun3133
@shaun3133 3 жыл бұрын
This channel inspired me to do SFF, and the NR200 will be my last case it seems. The hardware potential, the cooling it's not the best looking or the smallest but it seems to just strike the perfect balance overall.
@shaun3133
@shaun3133 3 жыл бұрын
I had my build in a Fractal Meshify C which was a great case but then I saw this channel and I’m like “I don’t need to take up all of this space for what I’m actually using”. I’ve got a gigabyte x570 mini itx board with 32gb of Corsair vengeance ram at 3200mhz. I’ve got a Ryzen 5800x paired with a gigantic EVGA 2080ti ftw 3 graphics card. I’m running a gen 4 1Tb Sabrent M.2 for os and a 2TB sabrent for extra game storage. Thanks Optimum Tech for the inspiration.
@ihaveakrazyheart
@ihaveakrazyheart 3 жыл бұрын
Cheer to see a custom loop on this case. super stoked to see one. Can we?
@MichaelBertolino
@MichaelBertolino 3 жыл бұрын
My SSUPD Meshlicious is getting delivered today and I definitely do not regret buying it! I think it will be hard to beat simply because of the ATX support and 4 slot GPU support. The only case you'd have to buy next is the SSUPD Meshlicious 2!
@EVLS10
@EVLS10 3 жыл бұрын
That riser plate would REALLY benefit from some large punched out holes. In fact the punching if done correctly would add significantly more strength and have tons more airflow.
@camerone397
@camerone397 3 жыл бұрын
Looks dope. I would have a hard time choosing this or the Sliger S610 if I were looking to build a small single 280 loop. Speaking of which, any chance you'll take a look at the S610/S620?
@ocadusouza
@ocadusouza 3 жыл бұрын
I think a custom loop should yield jaw dropping results. I hope you're able to do it.
@SuFighter
@SuFighter 3 жыл бұрын
The only thing I'd love to see with this, is the ability to lay it on its side with motherboard at the bottom. Could be great for a media streaming pc, or living room gaming pc that would fit in tv stands
@ozzieloki2419
@ozzieloki2419 3 жыл бұрын
Nice looking case. I went for ssupd, arrives tomorrow. Seems the best case on the market on the budget side of things. £105 Basic model. 14.6L, you can get a custom loop in there. All mesh looks decent too. £120 for that version and £150 for gen 4 version. A good alternative to nr200p.
@nayanpitlam5621
@nayanpitlam5621 3 жыл бұрын
I heard that shadow rock tf and thermalright assasin king 120 mini are also good air colling options for 130mm clearancs
@grumpywolfgaming
@grumpywolfgaming 3 жыл бұрын
I've been building itx builds for years and this case looks nice but the SSUPD Meshlicious is by far my favorite
@thebrandonw2742
@thebrandonw2742 3 жыл бұрын
Same, waiting for mine to arrive. it gets here on the 21st. Gonna move my watercooled IQUNIX ZX-1 build over to it.
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Жыл бұрын
Do you build PCs for other people or why do you build so many?
@swistak0220
@swistak0220 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you would consider trying this case in an inverted configuration with the gpu deshrouding and fans on top as an exhaust. I think convection would be helpful in this case and configuration.
@apricotmadness4850
@apricotmadness4850 3 жыл бұрын
I think cases like this continue to show why the NR200 is still the best you can get. A fraction of the price, still pretty small, great cooling options, and the best thermals for small form factor PC’s. Most likely my next case.
@myvideosincognito
@myvideosincognito 2 жыл бұрын
Love the channel. Can you please touch on front mounted and accessible USB ports across all your videos please. This is important for me and I guess most people who import data via usb from cameras etc
@Maeiourk
@Maeiourk 3 жыл бұрын
I waited for this since you made a video about it 3 years ago.
@JatanilBarui
@JatanilBarui 3 жыл бұрын
I'm considering a hypothetical air-cooled build. So, in flipped case, using a C14s in low profile mode as intake along with the 140mm fan as exhaust on it's side should result equally good temps?
@Aurummorituri
@Aurummorituri 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Any idea if a hybrid gpu will fit? I have a 3090 FTW3 Hybrid and those tubes are tall. Is there enough side clearance for them to squeeze inside?
@Salvare008
@Salvare008 3 жыл бұрын
dat fan flick, smoooooooth
@alistairblaire6001
@alistairblaire6001 3 жыл бұрын
It kind of reminds me of the older Lian Li cases. In fact I have one that looks kind of similar to this. Sadly Lian Li seems to only make O11s now so this is pretty nice to see.
@richardduba9151
@richardduba9151 3 жыл бұрын
For me, the Dan A4 is the last case I'll buy as I won't see myself ever needing more than a 6 core cpu and perhaps a 2 slot full-sized 3060ti. To be able to reliably run that in 7.2L is just perfect when it comes to size-performance ratio. V4.1 iteration got perfected through the years and you can notice that expertise in this case too. I can see the C4 case also as a pioneer (like the first A4 was) as it introduces a couple of new things that will be copied on other upcoming cases, like placing the graphics card on top. Gpu thermals are more of a concern as we have tons of options now for cpu cooling, so I can see this layout becoming standardized later on thanks to this case. And that removable locking bracket for easier gpu installation is pure genius.
@illietw
@illietw 3 жыл бұрын
The DAN A4 is still awesome. I wish it would come down in price though.
@ReconTechBF3
@ReconTechBF3 3 жыл бұрын
I would be curious to know which one you prefer overall and would recommend if someone asked you which one they should buy, the M1 or this case, considering the C4-SFX seems to be the direct competitor of the M1 on pretty much all fronts.
@louiedonei4556
@louiedonei4556 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man this is cool! How does this compare to the Dan a4 h20? (In size) another great video!
@TheBlindphleb
@TheBlindphleb 3 жыл бұрын
I was really excited for the C4, but it got stuck in re-edit hell. I picked up the Formd T1 and am so happy I don't think I'll be switching.
@Kiki-lc3ng
@Kiki-lc3ng 2 жыл бұрын
You need to test this with the new Noctua NH-D12L!
@jameslamb7197
@jameslamb7197 3 жыл бұрын
I was holding an estimated cost of $280USD in my head. Did a conversion of €230 and I was disappointed to see I was right. These small batch mITX case costs are becoming a piss-take.
@Helder_Paulo
@Helder_Paulo 3 жыл бұрын
ill keep my 011mini, sent to be bin my nr200p. but good to watch these kind of info
@TheGentleChainsaw
@TheGentleChainsaw 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like a solid contender, but not solid enough to make me feel buyer's remorse over my M1.
3 жыл бұрын
This also drops the slim ODD mounting behind the front panel, and I have a lot of CDs that I play in my system.
@TheGentleChainsaw
@TheGentleChainsaw 3 жыл бұрын
@ I did consider getting the panel with the ODD slot, but a) they're never in stock when I check, and b) I don't even know if the ODD slot panel still fits on the v6 case.
@razvandeaconu685
@razvandeaconu685 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think any M1 buyer ever did.
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheGentleChainsaw I have a v6.1 and the ODD Slot top panel fits perfectly.
@ahvamp
@ahvamp 3 жыл бұрын
Love your video! My go-to SFF KZfaq channel I feel the C4 is a little too late into the party... I do like the classic layout for the case.. but taobao has so much cases in the typical sandwich layout with better pricing... and fitting AIOs easily..
@svn5994
@svn5994 3 жыл бұрын
And the quality of a blind man who has no sense of touch.
@SSJ3Goku69
@SSJ3Goku69 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Most people have already built a PC using the NCase or NR200, and now it's so hard to get hardware, there aren't many people left even building a PC. So yeah, too little, too late. It's mostly an NCase ripoff anyway as far as I'm concerned.
@purplecrayon7281
@purplecrayon7281 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but those China/Taiwan SFF cases are badly designed, using cheap sheet metal. You can read about the horror stories from reviewers on amazon.
@ahvamp
@ahvamp 3 жыл бұрын
I do own a ghost s1 clone.. I don't see any issues for mine so.. You just got to know your way around the site to buy the correct ones.
@ahvamp
@ahvamp 3 жыл бұрын
@@purplecrayon7281 ouch for them... Amazon ones are often... Dropshipped.. So often those are of a questionable quality imo
@dtloveless
@dtloveless 2 жыл бұрын
This is amazing! Hope you show off a custom liquid cooled build in it soon! I'm limited in my mini-itx options as I'm stuck with a 280mm aio. I downsized to a Dan A4-SFX with a 92mm aio and CPU thermals on my Ryzen 5800X are suffering... Could this be the solution I'm looking for?!
@user-xm5to8dt6q
@user-xm5to8dt6q 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, there is a new itx air cooler you should give a try, is the thermalright ts-120 mini, it can fit 2 120mm fans and it is about 130mm in height.
@seitenryu6844
@seitenryu6844 3 жыл бұрын
If I didn't have an M1, I'd consider this. Can't give up fully cooled dual rads though. For half air half water, this looks nice.
@Josh-jx3lh
@Josh-jx3lh Жыл бұрын
Would be epic if this case allowed a top and bottom mounted dual slim radiator/slim fan setup with glass side panels.
@RussellRobinson77
@RussellRobinson77 3 жыл бұрын
Super happy with my NR200. Although it's not as premium as these and a bit bigger but it's cheaper, available and a chart leader
@maltake5985
@maltake5985 3 жыл бұрын
eyoooooo optimum uploaded
@JoshM7
@JoshM7 3 жыл бұрын
I can't unsee the wide eyes flat nose and smile at 4:16
@nitronaf
@nitronaf 3 жыл бұрын
Working on a triple 240mm Formd T1 at the moment. Lets see if I can beat your thermals ;)
@PankajChauhan-pd2ri
@PankajChauhan-pd2ri 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Ali, I love your reviews on ITX cases can you please do a review of iBUYPOWER Revolt 3 Mk3
@mnap1595
@mnap1595 Жыл бұрын
Coming in late, but I wish more of these form factor cases were designed to allow for vertical or horizontal orientation, particularly as GPUs just get longer and longer.
@RzStylez
@RzStylez 3 жыл бұрын
this might be the upgrade I needed from my SFX A4. would you think an EVGA FTW3 gpus would fit and have a decent airflow in this?
@Nixeen
@Nixeen 3 жыл бұрын
Still hoping you can review the Sliger 610 or S20 soon.
@azn_hojang
@azn_hojang 3 жыл бұрын
an upside down deshroud mod with exhaust fans on top might be really good
@chobocops
@chobocops 3 жыл бұрын
NR200P was my first SFF build and i can't imagine building in something smaller lol. Granted the ROG STRIX 3070 IS AN ABSOLUTE CHUNGUS of a unit.
@GabrielRN28
@GabrielRN28 3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Could you review the Tecware Fusion Hybrid SFF? Its slightly bigger than the NR200P but it can support m-ATX motherboards :)
@ricks_toys
@ricks_toys Жыл бұрын
I wish they have kept the rear 90mm fan mount and ports for pump/res from the M1 now that theyre no longer selling them.
@PauperOG
@PauperOG 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a place with all your CPU and GPU thermal charts (and sound levels) for people to filter and sort? Like a public google doc or website? That would be super helpful to get some insights.
@lstarkiller1
@lstarkiller1 3 жыл бұрын
What is your workout routine and diet?
@GrilledAnimal
@GrilledAnimal 3 жыл бұрын
It's great to see more competition but I still think the NR200 is king unless you require the more premium finish with CNC'd aluminium. Unrelated to this video, Noctua released their passive cooler, the NH-P1, which is huge but "only" 158mm tall. That is the same height as the NH-U12A, which happens to be the biggest air cooler that can fit in the NR200... If you ask me, definitely something worth looking into that could make a great video (especially if it's made by you, Ali)
@shaggypeach
@shaggypeach 3 жыл бұрын
6:56 I feel like part of that structure can be hollowed out, not completely but some just to let some air through
@pccity8939
@pccity8939 3 жыл бұрын
very nice video
@quitepossiblylucky
@quitepossiblylucky 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@odinsplaygrounds
@odinsplaygrounds 3 жыл бұрын
Even if I'm mostly interested in sub 10L cases... this is a really interesting and tempting case!
@MarcParisTV
@MarcParisTV 3 жыл бұрын
Well your last build with aricooling made me chose Sliger S620..;)
@odinsplaygrounds
@odinsplaygrounds 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you showed the air cooling in the end. As that was the ideal performer as well. Radiators create a completely different thermal dynamics and challenge in a case, only relevant for people who insist on water cooling - even if that's not always the smartest use of space.
@thebrandonw2742
@thebrandonw2742 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, most of the time it's more expensive and annoying install for zero change in temps or 1-3 deg. Then I have to worry about leaks and pump failure also now...
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