Had to skip right to the AG1 section. Seen them everywhere and considered buying some but the aggressive advertising had me second guessing. Glad to hear my skepticism was warranted.

Dave is such a treasure for the climbing community. He is sharing so much information with us! Thank you Mr. Macleod!

I am equal parts surprised and delighted to see this collab. Great stuff start to finish.

Lool, the AG1 part caught me by surprise! 😂 I really was expecting a sponsored opinion

Any video with Dave Macleod in it is incomparably helpful to climbing, and its cool to see him in a goofier style of video

Dude, this is good stuff, Climbing Stuff. These are good interviews - you're a likeable guy and these are fun, entertaining, and informative. Well-done.

nice vid! time for me to get some BACC, HGH and coke so i can send my V4 proj on the moonboard

Dave Macleod is so great! And this was a great video idea from Climbing Stuff to get at his voluminous, quality knowledge!

Wow! This surprised me. This actually important and serious content outside of memes and that. Good job and amazing interview!

#1 climbing news channel.

probably should've asked about just caffeine by itself or in the form of plain coffee or tea. I see a lot of people online always associating "coffee" with people who spend $6 every day on some starbucks sugar bomb as if it's impossible to drink it without all of the extra added bullshit. Most preworkouts have ridiculously high doses of caffeine (400mg per scoop isn't unheard of) but they differ in how much they deliver of other random supplements like arginine, l-citrulline, carnitine, beta-alanine, etc which give preworkout blends more effects beyond pure stimulation.

What about Yorkshire tea? It looks like it might up the British trad game at least!

My god Dave knows a thing or two about optimal camera lighting.

I aproached the video thinking that it would be goofy but I was pleasently surprised. Great video!

Idk about the discussion about pea protein allegedly contributing to more waste than whey protein supplements.. I feel like is removing the fact that in order to produce whey, a cow is consuming a huge volume of plant feed. Im seriously doubting that pea protein may have a higher envm impact, but Id be interested in seeing a life cycle analysis for both. edit: pea protein is definitely lower impact lol

Great to see two contrasting youtube climbers vibing together! Nice combo. You brought out Dave's fun side

This was really insightful. Dave is a living legend!

Awesome video as usual! On a side note, Dave would probably be the only climbing KZfaqr I'd be interested in getting a course from, he knows his stuff and explains it really well. His books are great too.

Good to see no biases, climbing is a sport that a lot of people don't take diet into account for so this video might send people in the right direction

S tier video! Love Dave, love what you do. Just awesome

Much more interesting and informative then the "to climb hard, you have to pull hard, use good technique, try hard" things that dominate my feed

Thanks for making this extremely informative while also decently fun. Good trick for my AD HD to stay focused ❤️‍🔥

Kudos to Dave for enduring some of the questions. Good knowledge in others, as always.

If it were 10 times cheaper, it would go up to D - Endorsment of AG1 - love it

My man this video is pure gold, the information in it is amazing and all of it its delivered with a great dose of humour. Loved it, Dave its the best.

Dude excellent freaking work so great to see this channel evolve:)

It's amazing to have Dave in the video! He is so knowledgeable and he state is an an oppinion not a fact

i like your "interview" style, keep em comin

First time seeing any of Dave's stuff but he had my INSTANT respect when he said "pass" on commenting on HGH solely because he didn't feel like he knew enough about it. That's some serious integrity.

Awesome video, Dave is the man. The team up was very funny and got a ton of good information. Please do a collaboration on training for climbing with him. He's realistic and could be very informative

Cool to have Dave on! Glad he mentioned his supplements at the end, those really make you feel different. Some fun substances you gave but I missed beta-alanine and peptides such as bpc-157 or tb-500. Which could be interesting since he has a pulley injury.

why does Dave look like an AI video at the beggining wtffff

Dave has a Vegetable Police T-Shirt on, that dude is straight bonkers!

I'm a nobody but I've tried all the supplements in my time...I'm 52 and have done many strength based sports. In my experience none of it makes much difference...save your money and buy real food because mother nature made it to do a job!

I think Dave speaking about the ethical issues of wasting peas but not touching on the vast ethical/environmental issues caused by a diet of red meat and dairy (which he continues to encourage) feels like a pretty poor representation of different diets impact. Other than that, interesting to hear his thoughts on other supplements, interesting vid, thanks.

The argument that plant protein is more wasteful to produce is completely fraught. 80% of global agricultural land use is used for (feed for) animals, which produces 20% of global calories. So animal protein sources are far, far more wasteful than plant protein sources. Of course the whole pea is not used to produce protein powder, but that doesn't mean the rest is wasted. The other components are used for other products, including animal feed of course, or pea soup etc.

Super interesting thank you both for this !

You have such a fun rapport with your guests, it's always super entertaining to watch whenever you have a collab on the channel. It was also super informative as well as being fun to watch. I do find it a little humorous that the last AG1 sponsor ad I saw was on some random Magnus vid lol.

I'm not a climber anymore, but this was still interesting, good thing it wasn't too specific. One thing that wasn't mentioned about getting foods from real foods is flavour! You'll miss on a lot of lovely and interesting flavours by taking protein mostly in powdered form, be it whey or plant based. I'm with you on the bread diet though, looove bread! I've made it slightly better by baking my own, but it's still a lot of carbs, can't get around that. I could happily live on bread, cheese, selected fruits, and chocolate. Might not live long, but would die happy 😂

I'm so happy to hear the honest answers and listen to that expanded comment about sugar and quick energy sources like bread. Bread is good, but only as a side to the main dish. But sugar drinks? Omg, how many people drink and drink them every day... They really should be licensed like alcohol at some point in time.

I found Dave Macleod’s channel recently and have found him to be one of the most refreshingly sensible, evidence-based content creators in the broader health and wellness community. Great conversation.

I cut out whey/casein and cows milk (I still eat cheese and quark) and my acne has cleared up almost entirely. If you’re struggling with acne, try cutting those things out - it’s not the case for everyone but worth a shot

Creatine short list for people that have no clue: -Some people are non-responders (somewhere around 20% of population). -You don't need to time it, just take around 5G/day. After a month you'll see any benefits -Weight gain is water. That goes away with time and can be manipulated with diet. -Main benefit is basically increased ATP reserves. In short, you recover quicker from max effort movements and can (generally) output more power longer -It's not a miracle, but you could see a notable performance improvement. If your diet is trash, you don't sleep well, etc. - it's negligible For steroids/gear - don't do it. If you do, you should be getting at least monthly bloodwork and work with an expert. It's generally illegal (depending on country) - and even if you're careful, you should assume you're cutting your life short to perform better for a few years.

Plant protein should be WAY above Whey (pun intended), especially if the reason for lowering plant protein is out of environmental reasons: "Results from our review suggest that the vegan diet is the optimal diet for the environment because, out of all the compared diets, its production results in the lowest level of GHG emissions." - Which Diet Has the Least Environmental Impact on Our Planet? A Systematic Review of Vegan, Vegetarian and Omnivorous Diets "Despite substantial variation due to where and how food is produced, the relationship between environmental impact and animal-based food consumption is clear and should prompt the reduction of the latter." - Vegans, vegetarians, fish-eaters and meat-eaters in the UK show discrepant environmental impacts "Concerning regional food, intuition suggests that shorter transports result in lower environmental impacts. However, transport only represents on average a small fraction of emissions during the life cycle of food products (Ritchie and Roser, 2020). For most simple products, the agricultural production phase is responsible for a major part of GHG emissions and other environmental impacts on biodiversity and soil quality (Nemecek et al., 2016). Thus, the environmental benefit from the regional production of food is estimated to be relatively small compared to a meat-free diet." - Eat local to save the planet? Contrasting scientific evidence and consumers' perceptions of healthy and environmentally friendly diets "A study published last year shows just how critical cutting meat production is in reducing greenhouse gas emissions. The study found that 57% of global greenhouse gas emissions from food production come from meat and dairy products. Beef contributes the most global greenhouse gas emissions, according to the study. Just 29% of food-related global greenhouse gas emissions come from plant-based foods." - A Vegan Diet: Eating for the Environment Apparently KZfaq doesn't allow external links in comments (pretty dumb), so I've had to include titles instead.

It's a good thing that egg and beef production don't have horrible environmental concerns that Dave failed to mention, that'd be very odd

Guy's a legend! Cool to see this colab

Super good. It's always hard to get info about nutrition and this video nailed it in an entertaining way!

More waste is not necessarily true about plant protein, because a cow wastes most of its diet in the form of energy so its probably pretty much the same except a cow produces methane

Didn't think this collab would ever happen, heeeeelllllll yeah

VEGETABLE POLICE! 😅 what's up with that shirt Dave?!

Great video, cool that you got dave ob the channel! I would be keen to know why hes not on a vegetarian diet considering he should know all about increased health risks from consuming red meat.

Was not expecting a Vegetable Police shirt :D

Comment for the alg. Dave is a gem of the climbing world.

I don't understand the Redbull bit... Caffeine has well studied links to performance gains, so it's more than just sugar water.

Great video, anything with so much Dave action is S tier

Cannabis. So if anyone else has seen the Arnold s documentary or read the book. He talks about smoking during breaks at the gym. Study's apparently show, that cannabinoids actually help block the build of lactic acid.

19:40 I think it’s important to note that while the powder has no vitamin d, when you sign up you get a free year supply of vitamin d and k oil that you add to the shake Also, iodine deficiency is pretty rare in the United States.

I know it’s all jokes but I’m actually quite a heavy weed smoker and recently I’ve took a break from it and have noticed a huge improvement in energy, focus and quite possibly strength but I’m not too sure about the strength, I’d put it in the D or E tier.

Dude you are getting some crazy collabs these days. I'm expecting the next video to be something like 'Reinholt Messner took me up Everest'

No Yerba Mate 🧉?

I think that adding bcaa on top of your regular protein as long as it’s inexpensive is not a bad idea. There’s some evidence (Can’t remember exactly where I saw but I’m sure it can be googled) that supplementing on top of enough protein can be slightly beneficial but it’s not NEEDED

Dave Macleod great advice on suggesting red meat, eggs and salmon. As well as vitamin D3 and fish oils

I love this. Keep these kind of videos coming

Dave Macleod is 100% right on more protein causes athletes, bodybuilders and obese people to get leaner. Good advice

I straight up wrote in my nutrition class midterm that my Saturday breakfast is 2 bags pop tarts, and I start and end lunch with ice cream, full plate of fries, and random whatever lol

Even if you consume enough protein in your diet, there are studies that show benefits of taking whey protein right after a workout, especially when it comes to muscle recovery rate, which is also something that i matches my personal experience as i basically feel like the stress on my muscles is halved the second i drink my protein shake.

This was hilarious. I think you will be rethinking your breadbull diet thank to Dave. He's bang on, supplement what you can't get from whole food and eat complex carbs (no bread/flour/sugar/juice etc). This lines up with everything I've ever heard and been taught about sports nutrition.

The discussion around marijuana was actually really interesting albeit short, but one thing that's sort of intangible about the plant when I use it in my climbing (12b/c, V6-8) is feeling centered in my body. Like any of these other supplements, you can dose it so that you're receiving primarily the benefits (high focus on a single task, mild muscle relaxant, anxiety relief) without many of the known drawbacks (mental and physical lethargy, lower cognitive focus). In many cases, climbing on a low dose often makes me feel more attentive to my movement and body position than I otherwise may be in difficult positions like cruxes on projects. I'd say it's subjectively beneficial and warrants some further investigation without writing it off of the list completely.

You should talk to Alex Megos about this I bet he‘d have a very different opinion about beef and eggs

Skipped directly to the AG1 to see what he said. Dave said exactly what I thought he would say!

Bioengineering student here, I know this guy currently has more credentials than me but he is wrong about there not being any downsides to adding whey if you're getting enough protein. It can cause unnecessary kidney strain

Plant protein doesn’t rebuild muscle tissue, use egg, micellar casein, milk or whey proteins. In that order or a blend of those

his smile after saying the joke about AG1 going up a tier sold the video for me

I hate to be that guy, but Dave’s opinion on plant protein consumed via whole foods isn’t shared by most or really supported by the bulk of evidence. Protein guidelines are established with 50% of protein coming from plant sources, with that ratio in mind, the recommended protein intake for athletes is between .7-.9 g/ lb bodyweight.

This was super useful, ty!

not sure if Dave will respond to comments here, but what about algae oil instead of fish oil due to its superior environmental impacts? I've heard it's better for you actually, like taking out the middle man (the fish) and less likely to cause the gross burbs / digestion issues.

Regarding creatine I would say try it do a loading period and back off on it if you bloat or feel worse from it

The ethical concerns about plant protein knock I down a notch. Glad there are no such concerns with animal protein

This is the climbing content we need

Talking to Dan is great, his work awesome. A good partnership for sure!

No mention of Mag Juice or Mag Dust? I've been butt chugging Mag Juice just for fun, but wondering if it's good for me?

When I'm in the gym I'm only sweating and just need calories and electrolytes. But when im Climbing I'm out for a long time and need either beef jerky and alot of water OR just some water with bcaas. Yes its not as good as whey or a full protein but I'm not going to drink whey protein in the hot sun while I'm sweating. Bcaas sre flavored to taste like mango and other fruits and taste simply amazing. Just the fact that I can take tiny sips and each one feels so thirst quenching AND it atleast has SOMETHING to help promote MPS. It's it's during a long activity I simply like it more than water or whey. I'll have whey when or an actual steak when I'm done.

I've been taking 5g of creatine a day for a while now and the main positive that I've noticed is I recover more consistently and quicker between intense training sessions

I think everyone concerned with their level of protein intake should watch the Zoe episode with Christopher Gardner. Basically the recommended values are above the optimal values for 90% of the population, but thats done on purpose so that it can meet the needs of 90% of the population, but it also means 10% are falling short, and it's different from person to person. What they arrive at is that, on average, everyone is already getting more than enough protein.

Marihuana definitely helps with redding rid of anxiety - but the downside regarding climbing is: you also lose a fair bit of fine motoric precision when you're high;) - and it certainly lowers your focus - so with a precision sport like climbing, you may have a more relaxed mind - but you also don't feel your body as well and I personally experienced it as being not helpful, since I just take way longer for correct foot placement for example...

I saw Dave in the thumbnail for two days or so and now realized it is a Climbing Stuff video 😍. My brain possibly couldn’t comprehend this unusual teamup. My favorite so far. Now I’m gonna watch it. (I would have watched it later anyway)

Haha. I've done a ton of research on supplements. I was so happy / smug at the end. I take only cod liver oil which has vitamin D and the EPA / DHA Dave was talking about. I did buy collagen supplements at one point then realised they were a waste of money. Your body makes collagen using amino acids, zinc, vitamins A,C, E, manganese, copper ,sulfur,. There is no good quality independent evidence (not funded by the supplement industry) which shows that collagen supplement improve / enhance collagen synthesis. The body just breaks it down and uses it for whatever it damn well pleases. This story is true for the majority of supplements. The vast majority are a total waste of time. Just eat a balanced diet full of whole foods and stay away from the marketing hype and ultra processed rubbish.

Dragging the plant-based protein down just because of "ethics" is such a weird reason. I mean, you don't talk about the ethics of dairy farming, do you? If anything, it would have been important to point out that you need different components when it comes to plant protein to get all the amino acids, which Dave didn't mention.

Dave sure loves split grades

6:00 the fact that plants have to be processed for maximum nutrition whereas animal nutrition is 100% bioavailable in its raw form is due to 2.7 Million years of humans as primarily carnivorous.

Weird point about the rest of the pea plant being discarded… wouldn’t it just stay there and you know, grow more peas?

Finally Climbing Stuff uploaded again. (I've never climbed in my life but this guy is just too good at making videos)

creatine caused me to have better finger health, sleeping memory better and i can train 3 times a week and work 5 days in construction every week. in this list there should be a grade above S in my opinion for creatine. i went from 6b to 6c in one month and a half.

Is anyone going to show Dave the research on the downsides of eating a lot of red meat?

Why Dave keeps mentioning red meat and not chicken? Any reasons to prefer beef over chicken?

Dave MacLeod, from the clan MacLeod, right before he lops your head off, because there can be only one.

I'm sad they didn't address the caffeine aspect of red bull or isolate it at all.

Weird, my comment with links to peer-reviewed data on plant protein and the environment keep getting removed.

dave's camera was so good I thought he was AI generated at the beginning

This video was awesome! Interessting, educational and funny! As a German, I missed the beer in the rankings, but we all know it's definitely S-tier-plus.😜