Do you plan on doing any other souls game lore or are they as in-depth?

Ok, I know I'm very late to the party, but I've always wondered about gwyndolin. I have always remained with the impression that gwyndolin is a crossbreed like priscilla and that gwyn and seath made the same experiments like the lothric royal family and wanted to create the perfect heir, either to link the flame or just be everlasting and rule the age of fire forever. That is why gwyndolin is draped and masked, so no one sees his scaly skin and that is why he uses sorcery and has snakes for legs (imperfect dragon). He was just obedient and useful so they kept him, while priscila wasn't and they feared her. Also one of the miracle's icon's high resolution image shows a kind of tapestry that depicts gwyn and gwyndolin together above a group of silver knights, but that can always be some propaganda legend on gwyndolin's part.

11:14 what was that bit for?

If Gwyndolin is indeed the child depicted in the statue at Firelink Shrine, one thing we can point out is that most of his body, and by extension his legs, are enveloped in cloth, concealing their appearance. I wonder what gave him such an appearance...

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I mean realistically aren’t we the bad guy if we link the flame? To allow the hollows to exist as they choose is the correct choice. To come up and kill all these creatures and people truly is wrong. Some it’s understandable like Gwyn and his children because they cucked and fucked and really just bitch slapped humanity. But why do we kill the hollows? Just something I was curious about due to the ending of dark souls 3

Youre essentially the glorified janitor coming to clean up everything and trying to survive while doing it.

@@Darksky1001able that's even better! "fuckin' gods leaving their undead and abominations bloody everywhere i swear to shit the second i find my way out of blight town i'm a give them a proper talking to!!!"

@@TheCreepyLantern Lol!

The Chosen Undead is just the new guy at work doing a better job than you

clam ?

Yeah lol, it was so random.

13:06 shoutout for the closeup

What was that clam footage about? He's talking about dragons at the time, is he implying that clams are dragons?

I don't even remember these enemys.

Feet

Me doing a bb lorerun

11:07 speaking of binoculars what the heck happened here? Sudden cut to a different scene and a pause in audio?

Oh yeah

Chest ahead, Therefore try holding with both hands

Jake Foley Or Covenant of Artorias. This lore is as deep as the Abyss

+Svil Buscus this lore is so deep not even the covenant of artorias can protect you

My 3rd time whatching this

@@ifoldyougo6517 Midir says hi 🙃🙃

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I'm glad there are people like you out there who appreciate this

@Alexandry Dumass Better than Vaati, the McDonalds of lore who people praise for reading descriptions to them

This is something I generally don't think about. These are great videos, but I don't think to myself just how much time they must've spent on working

Shut up.

Real

^this

Dark souls 3 really messed up a good portion of this video. We know that "Allfather" Lloyd was a self given title.

@@danielnewton6002 Yup, a good chunk of this video is obsolete.

@@danielnewton6002 the dialogue of Lloyd's rings in ds3 only mention that the clerics of carim say that Lloyd is a fraud, and carim is known for being pretty shady.

@@jakes1566 In Japanese, Sullyvahn's soul description literally calls Gwyndolin chief god, the term the localization usually adapts as "Allfather" in these games. So, yeah, Loyd was a fraud who usurped Gwyn's role in the pantheon as soon as the opportunity presented itself, although it should have been the Firstborn's and Gwyndolin's birthright from the start lokeysouls.com/2020/11/16/irithyll/

Oh, I didnt know but it's a welcomed spoiler

@@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 unless you just got into the series i’m surprised you didn’t already know, dark souls has been out for nearly 6 years and people connected the dots from the first born to the nameless king almost instantly. though if you’re like me and forget certain details or miss optional ones you might not have made the connection so it might be nice to know going in, makes the fight a little cooler and more dramatic than it already is

@@Shrekinspace I havent finished the third game yet so I havent looked at any lore in that one

...yes...but what was/is his name?

@@fourmoyle that's why he's called "the nameless king" after he betrayed gywn everything about him got wiped out from history

To me it sounds like the narrator of the intro is telling a story, and that is how they're referred to after the fact (when the story is being told)

@@jayjasespud but if youre telling a story surely you would use the names of the groups at the time of telling of. like, nobody calls the Ottomans the Saudi Arabians, even if many lived in the area that would become Saudi arabia.

@@garfieldinheat664 Those are entirely different. In the type of story around legends, I'd probably use the name of the figure people were most familiar with.

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Could be both.

Unless the Japanese specifically contradicts the English, we haven't looked too deeply. Myazaki worked very hard with the English translators to make sure they did a good job, for which he chose to sometimes reveal more or less. It is therefore just shedding more light in this case rather than being wrong. Very cool by the way!

Thanks for the reply, it seems that you have far more knowledge than I do about the creative process behind the game, and that's a big relief to hear that Miyazaki takes special care with FROMSOFT to ensure the translations are accurate or relay additional meaning. I recently made a post on reddit about how Ludleth says he is a Pygmy in Japanese, and I truly wondered about the translation. I love almost all the translations, so that's good news and it makes sense! Thanks for the video and comment.

I'd like to know if thre is a place where i can find the dialogues and item descriptions in japanese for the games or if you can provide an english translation. It would be very much appreciated

I study the history of religion, and language is extremely important, hence we use a lot of Arabic terminology when described concepts in Islam, for example. This is of course because when you translate something, you risk changing the meaning.

@@Wesinhuman I knew he is a Pygmy, it has been obvious to me since quite some time, now. Good to know, he really is.

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@@mustycheese3692 Age of the Deep confirmed

Aldrich’s drean

+Jake Saliba He should have put a line bellow and then place the events as he explains them. This is not exactly a timeline video as it is explanation why this is before that and so on

@@emiliagianova3938 altough it sounds good it would just be impossible since he is interpreting or explaining the reason why he did assumptions in some places. i quite like that since he is not trying to force his way of thinking but rather tries to leave us with most possible interpretivism ground. second thing is sheer amount of information in the timeline would make it a toooooo long of a line to see anything.

+lasse So much yes as im unable to find anything related to what will actually happen when the age of dark arrives ! but maybe there is nothing to be found ?

+Siegmeyer there is nothing in the games to suggest what would happen, with the possible exception of the abyss being a potential window into the world of the age of dark.

+lasse I think its solved now in DS 3 when you go to the abbyss version of the firelink shrine and the age of dark is allready arrived there it is some deep shit what the age of dark truely is but i think its the future version of 2 timelines after the firelink shrine because the woman of carim who sells you miracles said that she wanted to be a firekeeper and in the abbyss version of the firelink shrine are a pair of blind eyes on a corpse on her location and if you give the eyes to the actual firekeeper she said that firekeepers are not allowed to see because they wont believe in the flame like they do in the current blindness and lets be honest.. what would happen when the fire keepers have eyes and they dont believe in the linking of the flame ? my thoughts are that when a firekeeper does not believe in his flame it wont burn anymore likely in dark souls when gwyn is defeated and you have the choise to link the flame because you have faith in it or turn you back to the flame and let it burn out so that the actual age of dark can arrive (sorry for my english im just a german student but i hope you can get it :D)

the age of dark is the end of the world. It's just nothingness.

+Siegmeyer The age of dark is the end of the age of fire that sees the gods on the top of the food chain and humanity being able to achieve full compability with their own "dark soul" in difference to the Giants or gods "Fire soul". If you start the age of dark in the first game you will be the "dark god" of this new era, though there are a few clues on how the world will be when the dark takes over in one of the cities in the game. Men will become abominations if they don't master their dark soul and since most arent able to do that most of mankind will become even worse than hollows.

Hehe, burn. Like with Fire.

@@saeyabor Get out of here...

@@MaledictGaming I tried to, but every time I just wake up at the bonfire.

@@canaanstuart3331 You aren't gonna believe this but... same problem.

@@saeyabor Don't you dare go ......

You see exactly what we tried to change about our videos compared to the standard ones. Glad it paid off

This comment is true, even five years later

@@trufreedom so funny how after this video came out everyone started talking about the points this video made lol luckily some of those big accounts credited this account

@@trufreedom Seriously. I hate how unknown Hawkshaw is even now when it's the only channel that conveys the sort of lateral thinking hoops we've had to jump through to get this far.

Hang in there buddy. Don't you dare go hollow.

Praise the sun!

I can still feel the heat on my skin.

Don't go hollow, I'm sure your very own sun is waiting for you out there.

Don't give up, skeleton!

I love this comment

That makes sense, great theory

Thank you. I had completely forgotten this comment. I thought no one took it seriously so I never really tried to really push it but glad to see you guys appreciate it.

Couldn't it also be that seath maybe used gwyns "dna" (if that even exists in dark souls) or even his lord soul in the hope that would help to create a full dragon. That might be why he is seen as one of gwyns children but is kept away from the public. A bastarf child created in unnatural ways.

gwindolin is possibly the son of priscilla and gwyn, with priscilla being seath's daughter, it's not excplicit who the mother is but from the japanese it's stated that seath and gwyneveere are husband and wife, so there is that. Another candidate could be velka

quick question, i recognise the armour set you use in the video but what sheild and sword are you using? they would go great with my fashion souls

Hawkshaw I appreciate the time and effort you took on this video, so please don't misunderstand my comment... but I feel like in retrospect a lot of the things you talk about here are wrong like the whole genesis of humans and pygmys and giants/lords and the dark soul is just wrong and you overly complicate one of the very few if not the only piece of the story we are explicitly told with no veil of mystery it's just says straight up here is what happened! so your confusion there is a mystery to me??? but I digress A random example of you being wrong in retrospect is fillanor being the youngest of gwyns children, this throws out the argument of gwyn being absent in gwyndolins life completely, and there's a few errors in the video like that and of course it's easy to pick anything apart with the power of retrospect so I'm wondering is this about just dark souls 1 imaging that none of the rest of the series happened??? And one more thing again not trying to be rude just some friendly criticism. Saying things like "maybe gwyndolin was raised by serpents because she/he is raised by them now" takes away credibility from you and that type of poetic licensing has no place in the fact based video your trying to make, I understand if you are trying to say she/he is part serpent because she/he was raised by serpents but linking she/he is physically raised by serpents as in he/shes legs and feet and raised as in reared/brought up is ridiculous and almost made me turn off the video at 50 odd minutes but I'm glad I stuck around I thought it was a well made video if it's just dark souls 1 lore no information from the rest of the series with some mistakes that arose from overthinking, occams razor should be enforced before convoluted confirmation biased takes hold and despite my long torturous comment I've just subscribed to your channel and look forward to future videos, take care.

Hawkshaw oh ok my bad. Seems like he has a few new children every game. Gwyn gets around so it's easy to forgive on either of our parts lol

Hawkshaw when do the new videos come? ;-;

The statue at the warriors of sunlight covenant area is of gywn's first born.

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More like a historical documentary on a great empire and the heroes and tyrants during its time

Same. I'm majoring in anthropology and eat video game lore up, even tho I've never played the games lol

+Caesar Salazar Classic

Makes sense to me , that they would be nobility but not kings. So interesting for me, as an english speaker to learn these original translations.

Three years old I know, and I know this channel is DS1-exclusive to a large degree, but... I did always like DS2's implication that a lot of gods abandoned Lordran pretty early and established their own religions elsewhere in the world. Alternatively / in addition: Nothing stoppong kings from having heirs through concubines (thinking of Lady Jessica in Dune for instance). Gwyn might have just been the kinda baller who never actually married.

@@colbyboucher6391I mean hawk isn’t exactly esclusive to DS1, as much as most of his content predates later lore drops. He does use info from DS3 in his new content, but only as a secondary source, which I think is the way it should be handled. DS1 is Miyazaki’s ideas of the lord in purest form, with DS3 being something he did later to clarify what we were messing up and make it a whole trilogy, with DS2 being from a different team, and therefore the least reliable.

Or I should say, he is the wacky trap

ur on somtin wacky m8

theyre both also pale as shit

vtheawesome this made my day

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haha was a mistake with the editing.. it was our first video!!

@@Hawkshaw Lol! I was wondering why you chose to put that clip in there. It made no sense whatsoever and now that you say it was an any mistake, it makes it hilarious.

dude I thought I was having a stroke, that clam moment caught me off guard

@@bbungison I was like any minute now he'll explain the importance of this clam

@@JorgeM270there is some importance to it revolving around the clams in seath’s cave and the fact that they drop purging stones. Elaborated more in their video about the plot against the gods.

Also if you look closely at the of gauntlets Artorias, they are pretty well copy and pasted versions of silver knight gauntlets just with suet coating them

Yes and Ciaran was an assassin for the royalty of Anor Londo and possibly murdered a lot of humans like her

+Tyler Coswell haha well share the link around let lore buffs know!

I don't think he's as old as his video is dude... He sounds much older than 4. Just saying.

This is helping me crystallize a true motive for Gwynn did. The theme of transformation that spans the series, as well as the cycle plot device, coupled with men turning into dragons and giants turning into trees....4 kings turning into tree like beings (sharing a piece of Gwynn's giant soul)... But anyway, it's not all there yet. I hope you keep making these videos, great great job🙏

Thank you for such genuine appreciation. It's great finding people who see it as we do and have been lost in the amount of content one can keep delving through. We will continue to make them! Despite how long it's been now, don't lose hope aha

+Hawkshaw What's coming up next?

Working on the next one- more general again- the philosophy behind Dark Souls and its success.

Will there ever be a revised video of the timeline incorporating knowledge added in DS2 and 3? I guess that would be closer to 5 hours at this rate, lol.

Van Kraaiveld me too :D

Hehehe :)))

Pigmy is just name, though

Pygmie could also imply position or status instead of size. For example, even if giants r bigger than Gods, they r "pygmie" because the Gods rule over the giants Size is more convoluted than time in Dark souls. I mean Gwyndolin's illusion is like huge compared to Gwyn ingame.

@@thedeadcannotdie No matter how you look at it, you're wrong. Pygmy comes from latin pigmei, a fabulous race of dwarves as described by Homer. After that it was used to describe the real pygmies we know today. It is in no way a replacement word for peasant.

Jason Hymes Well that was extremely shortsighted. If you’re going to be that pretentious, do yourself a favor and at least have sound reasoning. So to counter that (and I find it hard to believe it should have to be said) you are aware that words evolve over time, yes? And that can change due to a variety of factors, such as location, how common a word is and the context in which it’s used. Like the word “Vulgar” for example. It’s more commonly used nowadays to ascribe to something Obscene or socially inappropriate. Yet I’m the past it has been used by various forms of Nobility to describe the dialect of a given language, used by common folk. Though the Nobility may not have necessarily seen those who used “vulgar speech” as obscene or inappropriate, there is a through line that can be drawn between the two. Besides, The Souls Series isn’t exactly known for having straightforward lore.

Didn't he say All father Lloyd made humans?

Hawkshaw why don't you put subs for this video? It's extrimely interesting and thrilling but some parts are hard to follow and understand for the ones who are not native english speakers, besides with subs a lot of people that now are not able to enjoy the video would be able to do it.. I would really appreciate subs :(

Hawkshaw Awesome work. Spoiler - The firstborn : The Nameless King

Hopefully youll read it. www.reddit.com/r/DarksoulsLore/comments/9adaax/hawkshaw_timeline_video_about_language_evidence/

"Nothing is told yet everything is connected" so true, so awesome

Super old but I would say the elder scrolls universe is much much much larger. Not necessarily better, but there is undeniably more lore within it. I mean you could make at least 100 movies on it and never even get through half the lore. Ds could probably be split into 5-10 movies. Again DS isn’t worse it just doesn’t have as much content

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With 22k subs and 560k views, I'd say he's doing quite well!

The design of both characters is pretty standard design for witches in all media, there is no correlation between the two whatsoever, Berserk refferences in Dark Souls overall is exageration to be honest

+Official Kurse So do I haha. I watch many DS videos driving to and from work.

+David Brasher i'm glad it came across as intended.

+qinoga Me too. It did take a lot of research so I hope it was worth it, I'm amazed just how much From Software managed to be able to put in!

I somehow rediscovered this video and am still awe struck with the amount of depth it has not only the game but this video. Thank you for this wonderful creation that just relights my want to play dark souls and become immersed in it's glory once more. I love this game

+Scott Sterling I'm truly glad you enjoyed it and makes the work worthwhile. nice to have a well thought out comment by someone who has engaged. there will be more, don't worry!

As long as those who can really appreciate it like it, that's enough I guess for now.

Sometimes I question how much of the lore was actually intentional.

+Von Neondor Cheers! Always shows just how good a game is if its still giving so much later eh?

Yes, indeed! I’ve seen this so many times I’m beginning to go hollow! Same goes for the wait for Elden ring news. 😔

+Xune Plenty more to come as well man. That's one of the best parts- that From Software don't care if some things are found or not, they will put it all in anywhere (I love Ash Lake being completely hidden for example!)