The Unspoken Wounding of Men

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Jung’s earliest dream, at age three or four, preoccupied him all his life, “in an underground chamber, a giant phallus stood erect on a golden throne.” Majestic and luminous, it struck him with terror that intensified as his mother’s voice cried out in warning. Phallos, the central archetype of a man's psyche, was once worshipped as sacred. Its urgent, dynamic, and fertilizing power was split off with the rise of ascetic monotheism and banished to the unconscious. Misplaced and maligned, it surfaces as resentful passivity, fear of passion, confusion of values, and reluctance to take action. Phallos is neither reducible to physicality nor synonymous with the patriarchal structures that have alienated men from their vulnerabilities and locked entire cultures into rigid hierarchies. When properly understood, Phallos can revitalize a man’s spirit and set him in vigorous relationship to himself and others. When wounded, it palls his potential.
Here’s the dream we analyze:
“I’m in a taxi, on my way to an old friend’s wedding on the high street where I live. I had on a great suit which everybody loved, but I had forgotten my tie. I realized I didn’t have time to go back home, so I went into the back room of a thrift shop which only had a selection of boring ties. As I came out, the shop was filling up with wedding guests. Then I found myself in a different, very gloomy, very cluttered thrift shop with no windows or seemingly a door. In it was a blonde woman, who I asked about ties. She pointed to a corner, and I found a couple more boring ties. I picked them up and laid them on a circular, cluttered table to get a better look in the gloom. I then realized on the table was a larger pile of ties, and to my astonishment, they were ones I had once owned but must have given away to the shop years earlier, still lying there. I told the woman, but she just shrugged. I went through them and found my favorite, which was a dark background with white circles on it. It wasn’t perfect, but it would have to do.”
REFERENCES:
Memories, Dreams, and Reflections by C.G. Jung.
Iron John: A Book about Men by Robert Bly.
Under Saturn’s Shadow: The Wounding and Healing of Men by James Hollis.
Fear of the Feminine by Erich Neumann.
Phallos by Eugene Monick.
Castration and Male Rage by Eugene Monick.
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@ianreclusado 5 ай бұрын

This was so so beautiful, thank you so much. I think it was all incredibly well said, and it shed light on so much of my inner world. I am grateful.

@adrians5875 3 жыл бұрын

thanks for doing this

@fredhornaday3665 3 жыл бұрын

Well done, as always. You almost touched on Kurt Freund's courtship disorder hypothesis here, which I would love to hear you all discuss in a future episode.

@nikolascend 8 ай бұрын

Brilliant! thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and insight with us.

@legolesscheese-wheel69 11 ай бұрын

a timely and important conversation. Thank you

@fredpies Жыл бұрын

fascinating talk, one of your best

@InstantLight 5 ай бұрын

I listened to this one slowly, over a few days. Thank you Joseph for putting this very sensitive material forward in this careful and serious way.

@ipsofactophoto 10 ай бұрын

Excellent episode.

@adrians5875 3 жыл бұрын

I think what Lisa talks about is a thing of a past, it's no longer that way that men are discouraged from being emotional or being interested in "feminine" things. On the contrary - young men nowadays are discouraged from being strong and assertive. Rejected by modern society they turn to video games but because of that they become even weaker - be it physically or mentally.

@jakubwydra1588 3 жыл бұрын

It depends where you are living. Attitude towards men doing "feminine" things vary a lot in cultures, countries, communities.

@surrealness 3 жыл бұрын

@Andrew Jordan Peterson created more incels than people he's helped. He uses Jung to further shepherd these disenfranchised males into becoming incels and to be afraid of a world that doesn't exist far beyond media and college campuses. These people don't become gamers because feminists, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, SJW cringe compilation videos, they're all there to hammer down the fear they feel, to make money, all while exploiting Jung's teachings. Wouldn't put past the alt-right to prey on young boys though.

@lauragiles5193 9 ай бұрын

I agree. It is regional thing in the US. @@jakubwydra1588

@stevej8558 9 ай бұрын

Really terrific broadcast. I hope that you three produce another broadcast that expounds on the subject in the future where this one left off.

@lomigreen 3 жыл бұрын

Deborah, thank you for bringing up the notion of Eros.

@madhuryabalan4118 7 ай бұрын

Thank you to the three of you for this conversation. It's only the chip off the tip of the iceberg. I will add a point which is a bit of a conundrum, that the wounded man/boy ends up using women as mother figures, instead of integrating those parts of his ego through reparenting the wounded inner child, or the unwelcomed pan. I relate to the characteristics of Pan and welcomed him as a child, but was shunned and punished as a young woman for what I knew my body needed and wanted to express. How can youth dance their way into adulthood with the divine, pan, eros and love? That is part of true human journey to me.

@ClintTzu 7 ай бұрын

Perfect timing

@adrians5875 3 жыл бұрын

When I did heroic dose of mushrooms i saw that red energy you are talking about, and this podcast helped me realize what it was

@didjesbydan 3 жыл бұрын

How can they not even mention routine male infant genital mutilation? That would seem the logical starting point, so central.

@angelcandelaria6728 11 ай бұрын

Why does this only have > 200 likes….. this needs to be viral. ❤

@harpforGod 3 жыл бұрын

Would love to see an episode about Jung's "Flying Saucers"...would be timely given the soon-to-be-releasd Pentagon UAP report!

@marialuzras8743 3 жыл бұрын

You can see red energy in matter regularly working with glass techniques . At high temperatures melting glass everything inside the furnace turns incandescent glowing red. Its a miracle to see how in the gradual cooling things slowly recover their individual nature as colored glass bricks, metals, plaster

@LowenKM 3 жыл бұрын

Thx folks, for another stimulating 'conversation'! And perhaps another important part of that 'wounding', is the fact that while females have 'Motherhood' as a sorta 'ready-made' ticket to Meaning and their Purpose in Life... on the other hand, males always gotta 'figure it out'... and some *_never_* find the "Grail". And unlike women, guys continually have to 'prove' even their _gender_ (aka, a 'Real Man').

@MrZakatista 2 жыл бұрын

The number of times I’ve asked “what does she do?” and received the reply “she’s married.”

@InstantLight 5 ай бұрын

That 'ready-made' ticket is not felt by girls/women as central purpose (not by me, or by any woman I know well -- women who are and are not mothers), but is projected UPON them as their main purpose. This can be extremely erasing. It may seem like there's less struggle for women in this realm, but I would suggest things are far more complex.

@austinthornton3407 9 ай бұрын

Lisa mentioned Robert Bly. The purpose of being a man is inherently unclear. But for heterosexual men it usually involves fatherhood. This means they have to be relevant to a woman and so most men try to cultivate skills and capabilities which they think will make them effective in the world and so a good mate prospect. But Bly talks about the distance that the wage labour provider role creates between fathers and their families, and especially their sons. This and labour market changes have led to a big rise in single parenthood and fatherlessness. So many adolescent sons approach the world with a more profound uncertainty about this existential problem on account of so often having no guidance except their equally lost friends. And generations of uncertain men have produced adult men who lack self confidence, especially in the context of an assertive women's movement that has little or nothing positive to say about men. Men need to rediscover the solidarity and initiative stripped from them by decades of competitive wage slavery and institutionalisation in corporate bureaucratic hierarchies which has too often produced in us a cynical disenchantment masquerading as mental strength and a dead end drift to the scapegoating tactics of the political right.

@Ken-iu2zp 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting......

@angelcandelaria6728 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for the demonization comment!!!!❤ its been traumatic being a straight male this decade

@nomadman5288 8 ай бұрын

It's quite strange hearing Joseph talk about the "possession" of Hera in the story about the woman changing her mind about consent because a few days ago, I wrote something on another video about this exact same thing, only I framed it more as a woman caught between two dark aspects of her psyche through the relationship to her animus. On one had she's acting like the rebellious daughter and on the other, like the tyrannical father that sees men for his daughter as a sort of enemy. This talk took that idea and pushed it into the direction of it being more like the behavior of "the dark witch." I supposed there's something true about all of them depending on the situation. Very interesting.

@nomadman5288 8 ай бұрын

"Thirsty" means desparate, not just interested.

@angelcandelaria6728 11 ай бұрын

The part about the ties hits home. I hate ties. 😂

@notoriouslysingle181 3 жыл бұрын

I’d like to know how the notion of “dick” pics fits in? Like why do men feel so inclined to send a woman they’ve never met before a picture of his penis. Is it a sign of virility? There’s many theories in this .. I’m curios what the hosts think about it ?

@katiefunk4198 3 жыл бұрын

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@in7863 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating talk, I just wished there was a greater emphasis on solutions - aside from the reference to mentoring.

@JesusGarcia-en3pj Жыл бұрын

What i dislike about “black pillers”. Never provide solutions and create more victims.

@adrians5875 3 жыл бұрын

Spot on observation on pornography

@kirstinstrand6292 11 ай бұрын

I believe you all are complicating emerging sexuality in youth - adolescence. I well remember those days - it's mostly about hormones. The perpetuation of our species is primary. I will concur that sexuality does become more complicated in adulthood.

@stevej8558 9 ай бұрын

I agree with you at a certain level. Brewster Beach, an episcopal priest once gave a talk on this years ago and asserted that young men and women must first experience impersonal (exploration) sex before personal (desirous / loving) sex. Something about that makes sense to me.