The Untold Story Behind the WORST K-Pop Debut Ever!

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4 ай бұрын

ZE:A are quite a controversial group, but their debut left the members in tears as they thought the song was too awful to be used as a stepping stone towards their success.
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@alisaoka6529
@alisaoka6529 3 ай бұрын
It's so frightening and sad when you think about how many smaller and lesser-known groups are sometimes just as disrespected and intentionally a be prevented from succeeding. Each of the trainees train so hard and each and every one of them deserves the fame, attention and love from the fans
@misterwacky3186
@misterwacky3186 3 ай бұрын
You’re right about that. But the fact that achieving fame and seeing an idol is not only a big deal, but the choice is unanimous. Staunch dedication to a goal is wonderful, but there needs to be an eye for it. It’s like going to an eatery to get a meal. Say the public (the customer) orders what’s on the menu. They wait for a few till their order is served, and if it’s in perfect condition they’re satisfied. Of course, there’s tipping. It’s optional but courteous. But the fancy restaurants would disagree. They only do tips to ensure the flow of their business. If I mentioned is complicated, I understand. But still, there’s still much I need to know of Kpop.
@Imme_begin
@Imme_begin 2 ай бұрын
That's what happened to BTS. Antis did everything in the book to stop them from succeeding, but they are the except, not the rule. They overcame. There are probably a lot of good groups that never make it (all idols work EXTREMELY hard and people should respect that).
@misterwacky3186
@misterwacky3186 2 ай бұрын
@@Imme_begin I second that. Work like that is hard to come by.
@sharpstarr2491
@sharpstarr2491 3 ай бұрын
I see Park Hyung Sik, I click.
@Afieeeeeeeeeee
@Afieeeeeeeeeee 3 ай бұрын
us girl us
@misterwacky3186
@misterwacky3186 3 ай бұрын
That was scary.
@gustiwara-9618
@gustiwara-9618 3 ай бұрын
Same, i am simple person
@maarshiexcryxx
@maarshiexcryxx 3 ай бұрын
Tbh i just feel sad for them. They couldve made it big, but never really got a chance
@meteuteu
@meteuteu 3 ай бұрын
No group will survive if their own company sabotage them 😅
@neoneunnamanespecial
@neoneunnamanespecial 3 ай бұрын
@@meteuteuCUBE:
@meteuteu
@meteuteu 3 ай бұрын
@@neoneunnamanespecial yes, but at least not g-idle... because cube knew they can't survive without g-idle... cube promoting them well, and comeback 2-3 times a year including pre release songs...
@maarshiexcryxx
@maarshiexcryxx 3 ай бұрын
@@meteuteu tbh cube is promoting them good, but they almost destroyed the group in 2021. Soyeon said they almost disbanded bc of how poorly cube handled soojin scandal
@amanditititauwu
@amanditititauwu 3 ай бұрын
​​@@meteuteu jyb sabotaged most of got7's career.. i get what you mean tho, star empire harmed them way too much, i'm glad at least some of them are able to live doing what they love
@teenieweeniemimie
@teenieweeniemimie 3 ай бұрын
Oh wow so that's why someone said Park Hyung Shik is better known for his acting that his idol career
@Liz_Lizille
@Liz_Lizille 3 ай бұрын
I didn't know that he was an idol until a couple of years ago.
@Ivy_Lavender
@Ivy_Lavender 3 ай бұрын
He was an idol? I never knew that..
@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577
@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 3 ай бұрын
Basically the same with Im Siwan too. I'd say the same with Kim Dongjoon although he's not really famous. Or even Hwang Kwanghee & Kevin as a host.
@explorer2958
@explorer2958 3 ай бұрын
True. I didn't even realized that he was a idol-actor until this video. He was one of my favorite & memorable Korean actor. How messy his/their idol career was...
@udiana2887
@udiana2887 3 ай бұрын
I remember how kwanghee promoted his group in every chance he gets on variety/reality shows bcs they're unknown to the public. So glad that the members can still meet up like friends even after their disbandment like kwanghee always mentioned his members such as "why does the (tros) kids like siwan more than me?? I'm their official celebrity uncle!" 😢 Kwanghee was also got his fair share of suffering, with ppl always looked down on him. Imo, kwanghee is forever a loveable fluffball sunshine who always feel proud of his members and his group.
@amanditititauwu
@amanditititauwu 3 ай бұрын
people always treat kwanghee as a clown or something it's so upsetting, especially because he is actually talented and is a sweetheart:(
@jaquenile
@jaquenile 3 ай бұрын
seeing how he still be so insecure about his singing and dancing, like he always makes fun about his abilities when it was proven many times that he is capable of doing these things, it's really sad, he doesn't deserve that :(
@mithrielshiranui4575
@mithrielshiranui4575 3 ай бұрын
I'm always sad when I think about ZE:A and 9Muses
@adriansoh3813
@adriansoh3813 3 ай бұрын
I knew of this group, but did not realise they had such a bad time.
@h-jin17
@h-jin17 3 ай бұрын
me 2 i liked them
@lamoskgr
@lamoskgr 3 ай бұрын
5:45 He is so brave for speaking up against his company 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@brennathecatlover4360
@brennathecatlover4360 3 ай бұрын
Leehoo I think his name is
@Liz_Lizille
@Liz_Lizille 3 ай бұрын
I know that they are taking an indefinite hiatus. I'm sad for them, because they had so much talent. They deserved to be in a better agency. 😢
@jessn.3851
@jessn.3851 3 ай бұрын
ZE:A's story is so sad. It's amazing that several of the members became successful despite being from such a small company that didn’t do much to help them. They had some great songs.
@fabihajabin2513
@fabihajabin2513 3 ай бұрын
ZE:A had really good songs in their discography. Some of my favs are Breathe, Wind of Ghost, After Effect, ST Dagger.
@nt.nt.
@nt.nt. 3 ай бұрын
I love after effect Such nostalgia for me
@amanditititauwu
@amanditititauwu 3 ай бұрын
breathe used to help me get through panic attacks 😭😭🥺
@MsInternationalLov3r
@MsInternationalLov3r 3 ай бұрын
What happen in 2014 on twitter seems like yesterday. So much happened that year in kpop in general. Miss them so much. Still hopeful for a comeback😊
@micah459
@micah459 3 ай бұрын
So glad you talked about this. Zea was one of the first kpop groups I listened to and their story is pretty tragic. I know they aren't popular so many may not care for this video but I'm personally glad you've shed light on lesser known idols
@HamsterSqueak
@HamsterSqueak 3 ай бұрын
It's the same company that mis-managed the girl group Nine Muses. From another documentary I have watched, Nine Muses was also promising at first, but the CEO had a bad taste and mis-managed the whole thing. He also slapped the face of the group leader.
@giovanna8534
@giovanna8534 3 ай бұрын
It's very sad because all of them were really talented and had/have a great friendship. I'm glad part of them have great success after the group hiatus but to think that it was so bad for them that even one of their songs (aftereffect) becoming famous after some years they don't like the idea of promoting it again bcs when they needed ze:a didn't get the right attention!
@xagonent4942
@xagonent4942 3 ай бұрын
I remember this group. Everytime I see kwanghee and dongjun I often think of what could have been. When I watched the documentary of Star Empire's girl group formation everything became clear. It's a ton of members and at the time Snsd and Super Junior were really hot, so these guys could have been something big. Wasted potential by that company. I wish nothing but the best of these guys.
@elainelat8067
@elainelat8067 3 ай бұрын
It's really sad when a talented group debuts under a crappy agency. It's like this company deliberately sabotage ZE:A. But that wouldn't make sense since they're just throwing money at pointless promotions that they're hindering themselves. The group could've been big, there's nothing wrong with them.
@5l33pycl0wn
@5l33pycl0wn 3 ай бұрын
i feel like new generations of fans wont know even big groups that arent active for long time, doesnt really mean anything
@5l33pycl0wn
@5l33pycl0wn 3 ай бұрын
pretty sure most young fans wont even know icons like b.a.p, block b etc.
@kimjunjae
@kimjunjae 3 ай бұрын
They were my favs and this video made me so regretful !! I remember they were accused of plagiarising TVXQ's Mirotic because of the similar outfits and sets in Mazeltov ... Level up and Be My Girl are still two of my favourite songs ever to this day
@o_o9220
@o_o9220 3 ай бұрын
I've got to know some of the members because of their drams/movies and eventually found out about this group and been addicted to one of their songs❤
@nooshpresents
@nooshpresents 3 ай бұрын
Just like 9Muses, they boys were cut off from food and only had Ramyeon during their truck around korea days and were practically starving because they had no money~ Starshit was hoping for fans due to the fact, that Moon Joonyoung (when did he change his name to Lee Hoo?) was visually compared to Park Yoochun (Ex-DBSK) to gain more fans. Their song Mazeltov was well received from fans from overseas, so it's kinda sad to hear, that they cried because of it. But yeah, their promotions were all over the place back then, if there were any at all. Even during their active times one only could hope they would show up on some music show or event~
@maydayhappiness2796
@maydayhappiness2796 3 ай бұрын
I really loved Mazeltov
@itz_oniki
@itz_oniki 3 ай бұрын
I feel so bad for them. Each of the trainees train so hard and every one of them deserves fame, love and attention.It's sad when you think that smaller groups are sometimes disrespected and intentionally being prevented from succeeding😢
@CARL_093
@CARL_093 3 ай бұрын
i agree on this KOOKIELIT had a point
@zeabefore4610
@zeabefore4610 3 ай бұрын
My ults... They didn't need this treatment. I hope the best for their future and I hope they'll be back together
@avsambart
@avsambart 3 ай бұрын
Mazeltov is such a banger of a song though?!?!?!?! Even back in the day I had it on repeat.
@flowerofthesouth
@flowerofthesouth 3 ай бұрын
ZE:A was my favorite K-pop group when they first debuted. However, looking back, I wouldn’t be surprised if the company they were signed to - Star Empire - mainly had financial issues, and I wouldn't be surprised if the members experienced PTSD from their time there. It would be a great idea to have a documentary by Netflix or Disney+ about ZE:A and their experience of being in a toxic Kpop label.
@akshayaravi7680
@akshayaravi7680 3 ай бұрын
Lets understand one thing straight, there are so many number of groups that debut each year and maximum of 2 or 3 get the fame and earn money others just sadly vanish into thin air
@naadine10
@naadine10 3 ай бұрын
Tbh I liked Mazeltov and my all time fave fave is Ghost of the wind but didn't know they were having a really hard time. I just finished the video and I'm so pissed off
@brivonn1580
@brivonn1580 3 ай бұрын
I hate when seeing such talented artists deal with crappy management and labels, because I see soo much potential in them only for them to be put on a deserted back shelf.
@nan.bells108
@nan.bells108 3 ай бұрын
They were actually one of my favorite groups from back then, though they kind of faded in the background after I entered college. I thought about them recently and wondered what happened to them since I still see Park Hyungshik, Im Siwan, and Kwanghee these days. Sad to learn about all this😢 I am glad for members who're making it big regardless, but it's sad that this is what happened to the group.
@maidatariq4934
@maidatariq4934 3 ай бұрын
It's really a big deal to got a great company who support you no matter what happened it's so sad taht they had to deal with it but I'm happy to know that members r doing well I think it was not in their fate
@Rosula_D
@Rosula_D 3 ай бұрын
ZE:A's story is an absolute crime. They had some serious bops, they had members who could work both as visuals and as variety guests, they worked really hard. But, as in most similar cases, their company sabotaged them. Star Empire was known for their abusive and scammy ways back in the day and that was a time when the bar for companies' behavior was in hell! There were also rumors about the company allegedly being a front for gangs etc. I'm glad that at least four of the members are very successful by former idol standards. They made it when everything was stacked against them. But I'm also sad because those members succeeding without any help proves that the group could have also been successful, had the company not messed up.
@dianaosazenaye1313
@dianaosazenaye1313 3 ай бұрын
It went so bad
@onlyfacts1239
@onlyfacts1239 3 ай бұрын
Oh I didn't know Hyunsik and Siwan (my favourite actors of all time esp Siwan in Strangers from hell is insane)were in group together and also that weekly idol guy. I just knew them from their solo activities and knew they had a kpop group but bro they were together... ? Wow ❤❤
@amiyarose9140
@amiyarose9140 3 ай бұрын
I love their song "The Ghost of Wind" ❤
@chaela9437
@chaela9437 3 ай бұрын
this is so sad to hear, I loved and still love their song Watch Out back then but I seeked them deeper to learn about how horrible their company was to them. hope all the members are doing well now
@jaquenile
@jaquenile 3 ай бұрын
I listen to their discography and it's not bad at all, and that made me confused bc i thought they were not popular because they have songs like mazeltov, but actually they have very good songs and pretty similar with what the others popular groups was doing at the time. I really like the members, specially kwanghee.
@__erikaa
@__erikaa 3 ай бұрын
I’m so happy siwan turned to acting after this he’s doing so good
@homophobesnotwelcomed2308
@homophobesnotwelcomed2308 3 ай бұрын
He’s so good at acting too. I’m happy things are working out for him
@ILoveSoonkyu
@ILoveSoonkyu 3 ай бұрын
They're the first kpop group I saw close up!! I bought my first album to attend their meet up 💗
@Zaosyy
@Zaosyy 3 ай бұрын
ngl, I remember watching their music video here I am in youtube and stuck to it, replaying it non stop. the company really mess them up
@itspribanerjee
@itspribanerjee 3 ай бұрын
Wow that company was so weird they totally mishandled stuffs like whaaat? Such a sad situation for the group
@portolo
@portolo 3 ай бұрын
My beloved Ze:A
@solasluna192
@solasluna192 3 ай бұрын
I just think they should've debuted with a banger like Level Up instead of that hot mess Mazeltov. What a stupid agency. 😡
@Gush12
@Gush12 3 ай бұрын
They wanted to make them the male SNSD but they were the male 9 muses 🤦🏻 They could have achieved something but their company didn't manage them well and failed to give them good songs
@danielrubinstein896
@danielrubinstein896 3 ай бұрын
Dongjun is my kpop crush, so sad they didn't get more popular
@kevinsmith4155
@kevinsmith4155 3 ай бұрын
That one day is probably never going to happen
@jasminirauch4322
@jasminirauch4322 3 ай бұрын
the manager is a hero!!
@marxsta.monica4988
@marxsta.monica4988 Ай бұрын
I did not know about Taeheon being a pawn on MMA :( I hope they will perform on stage again as complete 9 members. Such a bummer SE just wasted talents like that for so many years. SE seemed to hit the jackpot when they got idols like Nine Muses, ZE:A and Jewelry. Their artists had incredible charisma and stage presence, for example Jewelry winning Daesang in the old good days of Kpop. They could've been really big. But I guess everything happens for a reason. Their time will come they just need to keep going on and be humble.
@SuJuNewS
@SuJuNewS 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Kookielit for this video. You know you're a fan when you already know most of the info here. I really think their company did them dirty. Too bad because I really like them till now. Not really a fan of Mazeltov but it will grow on you haha... Some of my fave songs > Love Coach, Love Letter, Aftermath, Continue, and The Day We Broke Up (ZE:A 5)
@ravensembrace7128
@ravensembrace7128 3 ай бұрын
I loved ZE:A and yes Mazletov took some time to grow on me. But I was able to see their talent despite the song and loved them. I feel so bad for them....nobody deserves sabotage like that
@justvibing2171
@justvibing2171 Ай бұрын
4:11 oh my gosh that’s terrifying 😮
@katierodrigo5893
@katierodrigo5893 3 ай бұрын
I knew of the name but mostly because of Kwanghee
@multistan9582
@multistan9582 3 ай бұрын
I love this group....I still listen to their songs till todays date....esp...."Ghost of the Wind".. ( hopefully the title is right😅)....What I can tell is that before the new laws implemented in Kpop for idols safety and proper and better contractual and pay distribution terms...it was really harsh even basically "hell" on kpop idols back then, and the truth is no matter how good a group is, if they dont have proper management and promotions, their group being continuously successful will prove futile in the end.....These are some of the reasons....why when I see the entitled whiny kpop groups...esp...the fans who have it so much better this day and age...I really have to shake my head....
@onskuuhs
@onskuuhs 3 ай бұрын
I have been fan of ze:a since 2011. They have been always one of my fav groups and still are. Its so sad how underrated they are, they have so good songs and are so talented. They just have so shit company. I hope one day they will reunite and get all that love and support they deserve❤
@lolabbk
@lolabbk 2 ай бұрын
terrible. they're all clearly talented and worked so hard, but i would have never heard of them if it wasn't for Siwan. mazel tov was such a bad song but it wasn't their fault, if they'd had a different company that didn't keep stabbing them in the back, they'd be huge rn
@sleepysarah.
@sleepysarah. 3 ай бұрын
Idk about the manager diving in but didn't the first guy falling off the boat pull the other guy in with him?
@vinsukun_
@vinsukun_ 3 ай бұрын
stan nugu groups, save them all
@uglytelevision
@uglytelevision 3 ай бұрын
Ok but Mazeltov was so cringey that I loved it, and still love it haha
@SueweetieAJYPN
@SueweetieAJYPN 3 ай бұрын
I'm loving seeing some Ze:a's/Styles here. My ult boy group. They were charming, talented and had a good discography
@Infinitykk
@Infinitykk 3 ай бұрын
ZE:A is one of those groups I still think about because of how rare and fascinating it is. The group wasn't really popular yet several members still manage to make it big.
@scaredhamster8801
@scaredhamster8801 3 ай бұрын
As a hardcore fans of another group debuting in the same period of time, ZE:A in my mind was not and never close to being a nugu. I heard the group’s name quite often through variety shows and stage performances. I thought they did quite good in the kpop scenes and that their company did well for it but after watching this i realized it’s mostly because of the members themselves. They made their own names. They must’ve worked so hard that even with such trash management many of them still managed to be known, at least by a non-fans who loves watching variety shows like my younger self. Sadly they didn’t have a chance to enjoy their potential achievements as a kpop idol.
@syaeen5953
@syaeen5953 3 ай бұрын
Here I Am still in my playlist. Love the song😍😍😍
@salfred8252
@salfred8252 3 ай бұрын
Kwanghee is my bias, I'm especially so proud of him, despite people constantly making fun of him, he leaned into it and made it his brand and built a solid career in the variety sphere.
@nikolnolastname4473
@nikolnolastname4473 3 ай бұрын
Their concepts were all over the place. Whoever said thought they could do cute concepts must have been high.
@Zeempi
@Zeempi 3 ай бұрын
Ze:A is the first group I stan.
@bgpktv_thekpop_paradise
@bgpktv_thekpop_paradise 3 ай бұрын
Can u talk about welcome to waikiki actor Son song won who disappeared......after coming back from jail.
@Buruuberii91
@Buruuberii91 3 ай бұрын
I'm still little upset about "Level Up" not gonna lie. And even more so that we never get to see the video.
@QrincessQri
@QrincessQri 3 ай бұрын
Star Empire is definitely one of the WORST smaller agencies in the industry. The way they actively sabotaged ZE:A and Nine Muses makes my blood boil without fail! I recently made my mom watch the documentary ‘9 Muses of Star Empire’ with me and both of us were cursing the CEO out the entire time lmfao.
@lamoskgr
@lamoskgr 3 ай бұрын
Oh, I remember them!
@dearart3935
@dearart3935 3 ай бұрын
9muses had a lot of trouble with this ent
@ald03
@ald03 3 ай бұрын
Im Si Wan & Park Hung Sik was so well known actor, this is def mistreatment just to think abt some of the ZE:A members is still active on drama/entertainment industry.
@katerinapolaskova6163
@katerinapolaskova6163 3 ай бұрын
I love their music, listen to them very often.
@goldensungyoonz
@goldensungyoonz 3 ай бұрын
i thought the name zea seemed familiar til i heard the song and heard "mexican girl" and that whole part
@amanditititauwu
@amanditititauwu 3 ай бұрын
i hate star empire entertainment so much, they never treated their artists well it's so sad
@user-bh9cy8ps8j
@user-bh9cy8ps8j 3 ай бұрын
Damn never knew PHS was an idol. This is actually sad and very unfortunate
@boxedlunchmuncher
@boxedlunchmuncher 3 ай бұрын
ze:a all day long is still by far my #1 kpop song of all time
@luffyd.aceroger8254
@luffyd.aceroger8254 11 күн бұрын
Tbh it might be a mix of everything. Some groups just doesn’t make it Ze:a, u-kiss, TEEN TOP, Boyfriend, MBLAQ etc all came from a company which had resources but still never made it big meanwhile. INFINITE AND BEAST was from a same size company, INFINITE might have come from the smallest out of all of them. But it’s really about who appeals to the public and has a different vibe. While other groups like suju, GG, BB etc had their companies. Smaller groups needs more than just talent. And that’s why BOTH INFINITE AND BEAST were the most successful from the small companies they were more appealing in general.
@hchung3631
@hchung3631 3 ай бұрын
Star Empire is the True Meaning of Evil Ze:a dersved better I hope all the members are being treated better and are doing what they love like Acting or writing their own songs at a better company Strar Empire should've been permanently Shut Down a long time ago Star empire is sick and twisted
@fernandoalfian1814
@fernandoalfian1814 3 ай бұрын
ZE:A!!!!! OMG i stan them back then.... their song is soo good
@karlssonhermes
@karlssonhermes 3 ай бұрын
Yikes. Same company as 9MUSES.
@XiN._stars05
@XiN._stars05 3 ай бұрын
Please XiN video
@kenziii5973
@kenziii5973 3 ай бұрын
Their concept wasn't really popular that time . I remember them cause they debuted around the time exo did , which in it's own terms shaped what was popular in the 2 gen
@roycekhan2691
@roycekhan2691 3 ай бұрын
Exo debuted a whole 2 years later
@sha2596
@sha2596 3 ай бұрын
So many of the members are known for other reasons. Even though their debut was trash, I grew to like their stuff. So sad it ended up this way.
@Chaetzv
@Chaetzv 3 ай бұрын
So sad
@zerose_Aesthes
@zerose_Aesthes 3 ай бұрын
Star Empire WAS SUCH A PROBLEMATIC COMPANY.
@dimasbahari5368
@dimasbahari5368 3 ай бұрын
Heart 4 two
@ohhnobb
@ohhnobb 3 ай бұрын
earliest days, i followed ZE:A debut and comebacks, but yeah no more than that from their agency
@anishakoshy9896
@anishakoshy9896 Күн бұрын
Their story is sad but they are my favourite group. Their songs are beautiful. Many have just the right beat to get the day started.
@RYUJIN.SLAY._.2205
@RYUJIN.SLAY._.2205 3 ай бұрын
Tbh,the artist should always Deserve at least 50% of the money.
@halftaohalfhuman9154
@halftaohalfhuman9154 3 ай бұрын
I actually liked ZE:A back then.
@natalie_watson
@natalie_watson 3 ай бұрын
I just passed the vid to go listen to a bit of their debut song.... and yea. It's soooo bad and weird.. and just annoying!?? That was mean to do to those guys🫢🫣
@JRG2522
@JRG2522 3 ай бұрын
But i really like Mazeltov.. 🤭
@kimberlyvuong6396
@kimberlyvuong6396 3 ай бұрын
Taehoon❤
@Hellokitty_391
@Hellokitty_391 3 ай бұрын
Btw ZE:A is pronounced as "jeh-ah" since it's a short for "jeh-guk-e ah-ee-deul" which means child of empire, you're welcome
@PK-ts8iz
@PK-ts8iz 3 ай бұрын
This channel does this on purpose. They pronounce things wrong to get the engagement through comments like mine trying to correct them
@Hellokitty_391
@Hellokitty_391 3 ай бұрын
@@PK-ts8iz this channel also seems like they hate G-IDLE smh
@XiN._stars05
@XiN._stars05 3 ай бұрын
Please make a video for XiN please 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@Skz2302
@Skz2302 3 ай бұрын
Aren't the from a sychronize
@RYUJIN.SLAY._.2205
@RYUJIN.SLAY._.2205 3 ай бұрын
Glad now they are good.
@nicatina
@nicatina 3 ай бұрын
Ze:A was a blueprint for other nine member boy groups who are often compared with Twice.
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Afreecatv is always at the scene of a crime smh
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