I’m not a big Dahl fan but I’m completely against censorship of any form. I agree, you don’t like it, don’t read it. Find something else that makes you happy ❤

Do where the wild things are, the book and the movie traumatized me

Please make a video all about The Jungle Book story titled The White Seal by Rudyard Kipling please

History should be remembered not forgotten. Lets see the orignal story just for that fact. People should know how normal slavery used to be and still is in humanity.

I am used to the movie that was put out in the 70s. Who was the star, Gene Wilder?

That is my entire argument with most censorship. You definitely have the right to what you choose to read or allow your child to read. You do not have the right to choose what is available for me to read.

Wow was that the underlying commentary that was being made? I’m so glad you decided to partake in yet another useless KZfaq comment

@@michaelpacinus242 ......sorry, did you *just partake* in "another useless KZfaq comment"? I'm so glad you were here to give this some kind of value.

@@TitularHeroine nah, mine was unique in that it called out the nature of youtube comments. It’s meta. It’s a martyr. And you have ad hominem ass logic, btw.

​@@michaelpacinus242Go outside lmfao

I’m so sorry we have to edit your post to fit a more modern audience, It now says “ I am disgusted a deadman can’t speak anymore.”

Welcome to capitalism. Where the tragedy of the commons is replaced by the assumtion of the tragredy of the commons by a board room of people too rich to ever know what people actuallu think. Meanwhile; we are still waiting for an example of the tragedy of the commons in the real world

@@gerbill13 lol that got me pretty good

Just like Chadwick Boseman, who actually wanted to be replaced as T'Challa in the Black Panther sequel. But instead, Disney Marvel just killed off his character, so they could have more girl power.

​@@gerbill13 Dead person, non binary people will be offended by your post

One would suppose that the facts should stand on their own; the reader/museum patron should be free to form their own opinions without influence. It is not the institution's job to put forth *any* opinion.

@@baldeagle5297 i agree but no one and no institution is ever truly neutral. That must be acknowledged as well.

@@ariellenathanson2593 Perhaps, but the facts are completely neutral. Let them speak for themselves without editorializing.

@@baldeagle5297 That's impossible. Facts become colored by those who present them due to implicit bias. All we can do in a museum setting is acknowledge that and try to mitigate best we can. But total mitigation is simply not possible.

This isn’t a “nasty” part of history at all. This is the ORIGINAL intention of the Willy Wonka character before publishers forced Dahl to toss the whole inherent metaphor of the story out the window. In the original take, Willy Wonka was a cane twirling, top hat wearing transatlantic billionaire who devastated an entire community by laying off his entire workforce without notice, all so he could REPLACE them with African slave labor that he wouldn’t have to pay. The story was more of an allegory in the original draft.

I'd like to like this comment many times over, please.

History should not be forgotten for then we are doomed to repeat it. The statement at the beginning of the book to explain different times and ideas is great. This is to to help children learn the history at the time of its publishing. With the author already editing his own novel to show changes in respect to other cultures, this can be another point that librarians and teachers use. But to go in by committee and change every possible possibility of some offense or discomfort changes the novel completely. I believe that even Mr. Bowdler did not change Shakespeare's plays so much it changed the meaning. I am glad that other publishers are not printing the new British rewrite. When dealing with another medium like TV and movies, all novels get changed in some ways. Novels usually have more events and adventures and characters. Scripts change events, remove whole scenes, totally change the characters; but the show should still keep the essence of the book. Then it is our time to decide if it succeeds.

If youre a racist shit that page can be ripped out before you give the book to your child to help perpetuate your racist ideas and enforce in your child that your racist views are the right ones.

A different company that will alter it to fit their profit-model. You haven’t taken a high road.

I'm not much of a reader anymore, but there should be some laws that protect works like these from being altered, even if owned by a publisher. A literature Smithsonian if you will. We can't dismiss an authors work or the past because of someone's feelings.

@@alexz.8302 there should be laws to keep books overtly racist…got it

They could simply leave a note at beggining. I got a recent edition of the secret garden that has sort of a disclaimer about how the book was written a long time ago and some descriptions of characters and locations may be seen insesitive by modern audiences. Simple, effective and didn't touched a word of the original book. Plus it's interesting and important to people, specially kids, to see and compare how europeans/white people viewd the world...

@@luluscaglione why is it so important that no books can ever be changed, though?

the children (and most of the adults) are all examples of how not to be, and the oompa loompa songs in the gene wilder version really hammer that point. it's a lesson like many other fairytales to teach kids how to behave properly. anybody offended by their descriptions or whatever clearly is insecure about their own flaws and nobody wants to feel shame or take any responsibility for their actions anymore.

@@SpeedOfThought1111 I definitely agree with this!

I'm surprised they haven't changed the title of that to the AOP average overall person!🤣😂

Think he did that. I know Tale Foundry did a vid on it.

I never thought of it that way. good job.

@@wendigos_eat_people7177 Thank you, kind stranger

Wow! How true is that coming now. Keep

Lol 🤣👍🏻

Pretty much what I was thinking too. Because of all the screens and information in our faces, why should we have an imagination or form our own opinions when someone will do it for us. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Uhmmm… we all watched the same video

Cocoa is grown in Africa especially in West Africa too e.g. in Cameroon and Côte d'Ivoire,

Cocoa beans didn't show up into Africa until after the cSpanish conquistadors brought it there from South America. Same with Peanuts, chili peppers, tomato, and many others.

@@azilbean you sound *so* jealous

@@onege4460 WHAT THE FUCK

Wonka and Santa, taking advantage of the little man. Oompa Loompas, and elves just can’t catch a break! 😂

To me, they are n words and not the black kind. The orange kind.

Except that they were originally described as black African people. Then being orange and from Oompa Loompaland is fine. Them being brown skinned and from Africa is not fine. In 1964 there were still Black people being born while being classified by their own governments as less then human. R.D.s original descriptions were most CERTAINLY racist and accepted at the time. A very racist time. But they should be critically reviewed now as our societies have changed and developed and racism is being called out more often and appropriately. If people being critical of an old dead artists real world racist descriptions of his make believe demographics and peoples then maybe ask yourself why make believe people matter more to you then real people.

@@leahsundvall5894 Or any of the most marginalised on this planet in work and labour and gencides?

I seriously don't care if they are good, bad, enslaved or not, they are fictional.

Imagine if you were nothing but a bunch of holes to be used up and someone points at all your holes and says “aren’t they fantastic?!” Yeah, that’s what I thought. Btw, the guy below me is gay.

Is your mind fantastic Michael? 😂

Wait there was a sequel?

​@@greengem9132Yeah there's a sequel that will never get adapted because Dahl hated the 70s adaptation so much, that he wished for the sequel to never be adapted.

@@kittykittybangbang9367 dang now I'm curious, I wanna know what happened to the story

I read that when I was a kid and.... Wow, I don't remember any of that. All I really recall from it is that the elevator blasts out of the roof of the factory and that Dahl describes it in a way that totally conflicts with the first book.

Unless they become conscious and then "Metal-humans/beings", maybe, and/or with animism?

There are not enough 🤦🏼‍♀️ emojis to agree with this.

All. Of. This. ❤❤❤❤

Learn firm your mistakes Hollywood 😁

​@@hackman669 Keep your issues to yourself.

Accept it's not. Editing a work of fiction that is about a chocolate factory so it's a little less racist is not the same as the mind control that goes on in 1984. Sure, both are not great to edit somebody's work when they're dead. But comparing that to the torture mind control gaslighting cultish behavior of 1984 is just so asinine. And when you use that example to describe something so silly as editing a child's book, you water it down. In fact, you dilute the initial messaging of the book.

I think the word your missing is 'censoring'. That is NOT the same thing as just editing a work of fiction. People tried to censor his work without his knowledge or consent. That is EXACTLY like what you find in 1984. He eventually made some adjustments on his own, but it was his material, so he could do whatever he wanted with it.@@LLandS18

@@wesleycolvin7158 except it's not the same. Nobody's being physically tortured nobody's being murdered. Nobody's being sent to re-education camps because they disagree with the government. You see the difference. You're like one of those people who look at the awful human rights atrocities going on in North Korea and think it's the exact same thing as the Americans having to pay a little bit more for groceries. It's not the same thing. Both are bad but they're not in the same league. It's like looking at a Ferrari and a Honda fit and thinking because they're both cars are the exact same thing. Just asinine. Honestly, you comparing the systematic torture murder rape re-education camped that go on in 1984 to a book written by an author about a chocolate factory and calling it the same thing is just so insane. One is people literally being murdered and tortured. The other is just a different copy of a book existing with ith a few edits. I mean the original edit copies still exists everywhere all over the world. You can get digital copies of it. It's not like it's gone from the face of the planet. They're not the same thing. Factor double downing on that lunacy and trying to compare the two is just so ridiculous. Edit and if the author wanted to protect his material, he shouldn't have sold off the rights to a publishing company. He no longer owns that once you sell the rights to something, it's like if I sell you my car I no longer have the right to that car anymore. I can't tell you once I sell you the car that you're not allowed to paint it purple with green dots. Because it's not my car anymore. That's literally capitalism. It's all the foundation of our very economic system. Why do you think Taylor Swift is spending millions of dollars re-recording her music ? I'm going to tell you why because that way she has complete control of her music not some music executive. He had ample opportunity and money to do the same and he didn't. So these are the consequences. That the people who now own the property you sold them can do what they want with it. That's what he did. He sold him his property. His writings his book well receiving royalties from the sale of his book. Like it's not hard to understand.

​@@LLandS18 liberal bot found.

@@Therealericcartman1 oh yes, some of you actually read the book. Must be a bot. You know what did happen in 1984 was book burnings, trying to control people's sexual habits, trying to make everyone conform to one kind of lifestyle. Gee wonder what party trying to do that? Here's a hint. It starts with an r and ends in epublican.

Same! But something made me click on this video

Roald Dahl actually did change them. I believe only a writer can make changes to their work.

Well, look at it from their side..Dahl is six feet under and can't do a thing to stop them. That being said, Puffin is full of asshats, and by all means should be forced to return Dahl's entire library to any existing descendants.

​@@MeghanTheShadeis dahl's wife still alive? Can she do anything about it?

I have a Chinese pubic structure

@@kittykittybangbang9367 I mean, she can try, but she'd be battling against Netflix for the rights to his work at this point in time.

Original editions go for $10,000+. There are some from 1971 that go for about $100 but those are revised, and says so. I don’t know how much are left in those few. I’m curious about all the details in them as well. Maybe one day I’ll run into an older version in a bookstore

It's the "incapable of taking any" part that would get it redacted.

Children reading or hearing it for the first time don't know that. If parents and teachers don't talk about why such stereotypes are unfair (and many of them don't (parents) or aren't allowed to (teachers) in this day and age) the children have no context, and are likely to perpetuate such oppression.

@@carinhuber2570Thank you!

My younger brother's middle school had one of those pull-down maps that still had USSR on it, but this SCHOOL was built AFTER USSR broke up! I don't know how that happened.

@@KasumiKenshirou Wow, that is so wild. 😂 I hope your brother at least had a decent teacher who'd explain that's the way the world looked *in the past.*

Out of date maps were probably on clearance, wouldn’t want our educators to actually have modern and functional materials 😂

So what’s up, do you think he’s the anti-Christ?

@@michaelpacinus242no, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were drinking buddies. 😜😂🤣😂

Odd they would edit a Brit's ues of the word "pants" for "trousers". Maybe Dahl had Charlie walking around in underwear the whole time. Trousers in the US refers to non-jeans, it's for more formal pants, i.e. "dress pants" or "slacks".

Pure talent

@@IAmNotDiluc yup

I love it ❤.

Sex reference, haha Victiruan bastards! 😄

Which is odd because Dahl was a Brit. So, maybe he had Charlie walking around in underwear the whole time.

​@@redfive5856 .... 😮

that's absurd and impossible. you exist in a culture that informs your work, and whether that work stands or not depends on where and when it is released, not just what it is. nothing exists "on it's own".

@@perfectallycromulent except it does. There's plenty of work out there that has stood the test of time and been completely unchanged. Paintings perhaps? People don't always look at a work of art purely in the context in which it was written, because most don't care or think about that. No one reads Lord of the Rings and says "oh better go look when it was written". Works like that or say Dune have stood the test of time because they're genuinely good pieces of work, and probably will be considered so long after our lifetimes. After all the works of say Shakespeare has held up pretty well over a few century.

@perfectallycromulent It exists. It's valid. Even if the artist themself is the only one who sees it. It still has meaning and impact. Bending over for critics only hinders creativity. I'll never get rich as an artist. But I wouldn't give two craps if someone was offended. It's my work. Don't like it? Oh well!

@@paddric9346 99.9% of artists are dirt poor lol I would know lmao

Classic art gets revised all the time. Just look at the Grimm fairy tales! You may have grown up with the Disney versions, like the rest of us. But if you think for even one second that the Disney versions are an exact copy of the original fairy tales the Grimm brothers collected, think again! The original fairy tales the Grimm brothers collected were cautionary tails myths legends and folklore, filled with a whole myriad of dark material cannibalism, torture, Satanism, sexual depravity. You name it. Over the years, those stories have been greatly sanitized, many times over, until finally becoming the kids' stories and Disney movies we grew up with. And I, for one, would find it highly doubtful that this process finished. Far more likely, those classic European fairy tales will be revised many times again in the years decades and centuries to come. In more recent times, we can look to the Wonderful wizard of Oz, by L. Frank Baum as another example. In the original book, Baum was at least experimenting with the idea that Dorothy died in that storm, and the land of Oz was a form of the afterlife, inspired by his experiences with theolosiphy and other occult ideologies he came across in his life, as well as his experiences with child mortality. (Though the original book series was filled with inconsistencies/constant back and forth, that compell me to believe he struggled to really make up his mind about that.) Where as in the Judy Garland movie Dorothy was simply knocked unconscious by a loose window shutter, and simply dreamed the whole thing. In the Zoe Deschanel movie Tin Man, OZ was short for Outer Zone and was described more in terms of extra dimensional reality in the Aretha Franklin movie The Wiz, Oz was more a urban fantasy distortion of New York city possibly a riff on extra dimensional reality overlap or alternate timeline reality, but I'm not sure how much any real explanation is ever given in the story. The actor who played Ambrose/Glitch (The scarecrow) in Tin Man was actually asked in a behind the scenes interview about his thoughts on how much the story of The wizard of Oz was changed from the original book series, and he voiced his belief that it is actually vary important for the great stories to be retold every 50 years - at least every 50 years, to sort of catch up with the generation that missed it. Then, there is the public right to creative use of public domain works. Which granted is a whole other breed of animal but is just as valid a discussion to consider, when the collected works of Raoul Dahl pass into the public domain, and thus cease to be the property of Mr Dahl, his living decendents/legal proprietors of his remaining estate. At that moment each and every detail of those books will belong to the public and the people will be free to do with those books as they please. The recent slasher horror movie Winnie the Pooh blood and honey can be held as a prime example, sadly A.A. Miln, his son Christopher Robin Miln, and Walt Disney can all spin in their graves as much as they want about that movie, but since Winnie the Pooh passed into public domain those stories the characters therein are no longer the property of Disney or the Miln family estate. They lost any and all right to any say in how those stories characters settings or any other element of A.A. Miln's creation is used, or by who, the instant it passed into the public domain. Needless to say, this is a vastly complex topic where any concept of right and wrong depends greatly on what work of art you have in mind and exactly what changes were made. It's far too complex to ever fully discuss in a comments reel.

You should mail this opinion to Scholastic. Might prevent a similar situation in the future.

So censorship and bans are good when they come from the left? Hypocrites.

All of these changes were made on the grounds that the original language was racist. If you agree racism should be removed then it's up to the publisher to decide what is and isn't racist. You can't have it both ways.

Absolutely right!

Factually, not having to deal with obstacles is NOT what is causing mental illness.

@@starsiadrawsit may not be the root cause, but it certainly doesn’t help the anxiety part.

Yeah it hurts so much, even though I’m rather optimistic about the dirt poor locals themselves creating a belated rebellion against the corporations in the future, in massive numbers.

Oh, do you?

@@michaelpacinus242 Zzzzzing!! I can tell you've been practicing that one for months!

@@TitularHeroine you think beating fire with fire is a thing because you have the mind of a child. You probably listen to npr and think “wow, I’m so smart!” while locking the door as a Dominican guy walks by.

It wouldn't hurt, most likely help. Don't listen to michaelpacinus42, he sounds like a far leftist white hating ,woke ,socialist troll. He's bad mouthing you because what you said is a threat to him and his self hating kind. If more did as you suggested, his kind would be in danger of loosing power.

​@@TitularHeroineHe has been trolling every comment by saying "You sound jealous"...cannot be more childish.

"Books need to be more racist" Note taken. 👍

No they don't need to be put in jail. That's the stupidest thing. I've read all day. And I'm sick and I watched a astrophysicist shoot down flat Earth points all day. Jails for people who can make crimes. Not things that hurt your feelings. Or upset your sensibilities. It's funny you're calling everybody else's snowflake while behaving like one yourself. Edit, although I could say the same to you. If you don't want to read a re-edited book, then don't read it. If it's that simple for everyone else, it's that simple for you. Also cuz you seem like the type, I don't think they should have edited his work either. I think they should just left it alone with his editing. Because it's his book. But to say someone should be put in jail because it did something that you find upsetting is just ridiculous.

​@@SatanRomps😂

Good times ⏲️ Little green haired monsters. Wonder if they are in New film.

I had nightmares about the Oz flying monkeys

Sent brats home 🏡😆

Ok, gay guy

​@@hackman669 Shut up

​@@michaelpacinus242 Stop

@@alienboy1322 start

Also the loompas looked very foreign, couldn't tell where their country would really be if you didn't read the book

Slavery is bad, doesn't matter what their color or national origin. Just because White slaves existed doesn't make black slavery less bad.

@@allinone-qz2gi the floor here is made out of floor

Ir ruins it Luke Dusbey Wars! 😪

I've been reading Tom Sawyer, some words didn't have the same connotations in the past.

Ohh dear that’s interesting!

Strange they'd edit out a Brit's use of the word "pants" for trousers. Maybe Dahl had Charlie walking around in underwear the whole time.

It isn't a book about a slavery though, it's making the concept of slavery seem cute and fanciful and like some kind of improvement or benefit to black people. Simply making the Oompas more like fantasy creatures rather than romanticized versions of real people and their horrific treatment, and having them come from an Imaginary place rather than the real place black people were stolen from, isn't a bad thing. The original version still exists and can be easily accessed. Clearly. Adaptations of media changing with the time periods is to be expected. The better lesson to be learned comes from comparing the adaptations and learning/understanding why they've evolved over the years.