The Villains of Ultimate Spider-Man

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alex lennen

alex lennen

2 жыл бұрын

In this video I talk about the villains of Ultimate Spider-Man and what makes them so interesting to me. Feel free to disagree tho I'm not your mother
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@alexlennen
@alexlennen 2 жыл бұрын
In this video I say that Oscorp in the Raimi films was heavily involved with Spider-Man's origin, however they don't have a direct connection to the spider bite itself. I was smoking so much cardboard I mixed up Raimi and TASM. You can't legally prove me wrong tho. (also, 2x speed at the ending makes you transcend to another dimension)
@glanty
@glanty 2 жыл бұрын
True
@ltrain7715
@ltrain7715 2 жыл бұрын
Fair enough
@shanestern1788
@shanestern1788 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, listen. Homie, we all make mistakes. If you take off your socks I'll consider forgiving you.
@ltrain7715
@ltrain7715 2 жыл бұрын
@@shanestern1788 Ayo
@Chase.7
@Chase.7 2 жыл бұрын
Fair enough
@OkMakuTree
@OkMakuTree 2 жыл бұрын
The Kingpin buying Spiderman's likeness is one of my favorite villain power moves in comics, it's genius in its simplicity and impact
@colorstripes8588
@colorstripes8588 2 жыл бұрын
They don't call him the "Kingpin of Crime" for nothin'
@bnuymedia2537
@bnuymedia2537 2 жыл бұрын
They did it again in the current run lmao Some company (that will have an evil plot twist within the year) bought the trademark, hired Ben as their Spider-Man and want to sue every other Spider-People for using their likeness lmao
@brennanlow2336
@brennanlow2336 2 жыл бұрын
Wait a goddamn minute. Weren't you the the guy who kept suiciding the units in pavise's chat vs awakening?
@OkMakuTree
@OkMakuTree 2 жыл бұрын
@@brennanlow2336 yes
@tristanbowles7258
@tristanbowles7258 2 жыл бұрын
Random OkMakiTree sighting. Taking a break from griefing Pavis’s runs
@brenomarquesazevedo7855
@brenomarquesazevedo7855 2 жыл бұрын
There's also that one time when Doc ock send Spider-man to Brazil. As a brazilian, that seems like the worst possible destination
@millythompsonfromtrigun98anime
@millythompsonfromtrigun98anime 2 жыл бұрын
You’re going to Brazil!
@slimyanimations9261
@slimyanimations9261 2 жыл бұрын
Noooo
@samuellandin
@samuellandin 2 жыл бұрын
I know, right? As a Brazilian, this possibility scares me too
@leifalwayswins
@leifalwayswins 2 жыл бұрын
Poor Spidey, I think not even him could survive in our country bro. The villains here are way worse than Green Goblin.
@Dani-xi4uv
@Dani-xi4uv 2 жыл бұрын
@@leifalwayswins Spidey vs the Kingpin Lula XD
@Wiki1184
@Wiki1184 2 жыл бұрын
Speaking of haircuts, Peter really had the audacity to go after Doc Ock's bowl cut knowing full well his barber didn't do him any favors.
@vebz_6872
@vebz_6872 2 жыл бұрын
it's hard to cut hair when you're being held at tentaclepoint
@funnyfunnyvalentine7991
@funnyfunnyvalentine7991 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but Pete actually looked cool with his hair
@ALIEN-DUDE
@ALIEN-DUDE Жыл бұрын
@@funnyfunnyvalentine7991 lol no 😆😆
@Honestlynothingelse
@Honestlynothingelse Жыл бұрын
I mean honestly i do like peter's look tho.
@_Tozzie_
@_Tozzie_ Жыл бұрын
Otto cant clap back, he's wearing a mask.
@stanfordfeynman2796
@stanfordfeynman2796 2 жыл бұрын
Norman didn't just use the sheet like a robe. He used it to replicate the attire of Greek Gods, which is an awesome callback to his complex all the way back in issue 1!
@theserpent8667
@theserpent8667 Жыл бұрын
Like a toga that the gods and ancient Greeks wore?
@stanfordfeynman2796
@stanfordfeynman2796 Жыл бұрын
@@theserpent8667 yes!
@user-ge3gz2fw3z
@user-ge3gz2fw3z 11 ай бұрын
the ground is above this song
@artificiallyintelligent_23
@artificiallyintelligent_23 5 ай бұрын
nerd
@The_D0C70R
@The_D0C70R 2 жыл бұрын
You’re right about Peter’s barber, he or she is clearly the most dangerous villain in Spider-Man’s rouges gallery.
@enix1323
@enix1323 2 жыл бұрын
I mean like damn, they fucked his shit up
@bangedurmom9109
@bangedurmom9109 2 жыл бұрын
looo k AT HIS HAIR 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@The_D0C70R
@The_D0C70R 2 жыл бұрын
@@enix1323 They really did lol
@kaleb2342
@kaleb2342 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly the fact that his family and friends let him walk around like that says something about them
@The_D0C70R
@The_D0C70R 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaleb2342 Hold on, you have a point there
@jacoba6747
@jacoba6747 2 жыл бұрын
The real hero of this story isn’t Spider-Man. It’s Norman’s bodyguard cause his lazy ass thought the best way to get rid of a genetically engineered spider designed by one of the most advanced scientific companies in the world, ran by Norman Osborn, a man who has shown to throw ethics and morality out the window faster than 616 Goblin throws blondes off of bridges was to shove it in a random beaker. God bless you, you lazy Bodyguard. You taught us with great power comes great irresponsibility
@sanchitghai1455
@sanchitghai1455 Жыл бұрын
🤣aw man
@r3n837
@r3n837 2 жыл бұрын
That ending was a masterpiece, what a wonderful, beautiful work of art, nothing will be ever to top it.
@gitgud1555
@gitgud1555 Жыл бұрын
My reminder to you to return to this bop of a song omfg
@rhinozombie6463
@rhinozombie6463 Жыл бұрын
new info: try it on 1.5x, even more of a bop
@thoughtsfromnobody1845
@thoughtsfromnobody1845 Жыл бұрын
Let's be real, Norman is topping it.
@ibfs6954
@ibfs6954 4 ай бұрын
@@rhinozombie6463 10 times speed
@jeweerly2319
@jeweerly2319 2 жыл бұрын
Peter cracking jokes about goin out with a bad costume yet having the audacity to walk around with such an embarrassing haircut is pure comedy
@numerousncomicsandlegos6780
@numerousncomicsandlegos6780 2 жыл бұрын
Essentially: old spiderman villains didn't care for Spider-Man until he himself got involved with trying to stop them, Doc Ock is a big example
@parkerjackson4880
@parkerjackson4880 2 жыл бұрын
I love ultimates villains just because most don’t even want to be evil they just have a specific grudge against Spider-Man.
@VerticlSpoon
@VerticlSpoon 2 жыл бұрын
@@parkerjackson4880 most villians in ultimate are just assholes, it feels so real tbh. Like I could definitely imagine all these characters to be real people.
@johnmaldonado2974
@johnmaldonado2974 2 жыл бұрын
@@VerticlSpoon THIS
@hyperion3145
@hyperion3145 2 жыл бұрын
A few of the old villains even had more developed rivalries with other heroes.
@silvergameplay7580
@silvergameplay7580 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbmYlMyf2aeWZWw.html 🕷🕷🕷♥️
@DarkLordofInsanity
@DarkLordofInsanity 2 жыл бұрын
And this is all without even mentioning Venom. I love that Ultimate Spider-Man made Eddie Brock a childhood friend of Peter growing up. The cancer aspect and ideals of responsibility around the suit was an interesting alternative take to the alien.
@dc7981
@dc7981 2 жыл бұрын
Spectacular spidermans version of venom is basically a hybrid of Ultimate eddie and 616 Eddie
@silverdays2909
@silverdays2909 2 жыл бұрын
@@dc7981 The best version
@MogusMasterSaikawa22
@MogusMasterSaikawa22 Жыл бұрын
I loved the ultimate spiderman game and I dont dcare about comic books but I love that version of the character
@idiot_city5244
@idiot_city5244 4 ай бұрын
I mean both Venom and Carnage are villains in this series... lol
@scottking8189
@scottking8189 2 жыл бұрын
The totally accurate human interactions where a kid just goes to school after his mums been burned to death lmao
@alexlennen
@alexlennen 2 жыл бұрын
I would have gone to McDonalds
@seraphiim444
@seraphiim444 2 жыл бұрын
the one thing about Kingpin’s arrest that you didn’t mention but I found absolutely hilarious is that as far as i could tell it actually wasn’t even the plan for Fisk to get arrested, when Moon Knight woke up from getting his scalp pushed back he was just like “man what the fuck Kingpin really had me shot” and went to the police, secret identity be damned
@jackofclubs6229
@jackofclubs6229 Жыл бұрын
Imagine that conversation tho “Hi, I’d like to report an attempted murder.” “What?” “Kingpin shot me.” “What? Prove it. The only one Kingpin has attacked recently was Moon Knight.” “….yeah, that’s me.”
@sourtoaster3974
@sourtoaster3974 2 жыл бұрын
No lie I usually hate when youtubers try to shove self made music into their videos but…this man dont miss
@alexlennen
@alexlennen 2 жыл бұрын
thank you! If people don't like the music then I can say it's ironic and if people do like it then I was being genuine the whole time
@sourtoaster3974
@sourtoaster3974 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexlennen genius
@maxxel_
@maxxel_ 23 күн бұрын
whats the name of the song btw? i for sure had it in a playlist a few months ago lol
@Bland-Boi
@Bland-Boi 2 жыл бұрын
my personal favorite of the rogues gallery that ultimate peter has faced, would be venom due to obviously how horrifying it is a suit that is supposed to help you, ends up eating you from the inside and needs to feed on others in order for you to survive. It also doesn’t help that person inside the suit, Eddie in this case, represents a friend that you once thought of as a good person, is in reality a trash human being who would rather blame others for their problems and lie if it benefits them in the end. great video by the way.
@ARIELVSGAMES
@ARIELVSGAMES 2 жыл бұрын
@Innocent Jogger tbh I would’ve been surprised if stuff like that is real this is why ultimate Spider-man is my all time favorite
@PeterParker-jz8eo
@PeterParker-jz8eo 2 жыл бұрын
My favourite moment is when Peter tried to kiss Black Cat and she threw up on his crotch, imma need some therapy if I was Peter tbh.
@silvergameplay7580
@silvergameplay7580 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbmYlMyf2aeWZWw.html 🕷🕷🕷♥️
@yusephk
@yusephk 2 жыл бұрын
I think they did a great job of making Venom more alien than I'd ever seen him before. In the Ultimate Spider-man game he was a tank and would always growl "The hunggerrrr..." That sound clip lives on in my head to this day. Often uttered before I order a pizza, incidentally.
@higaiwokeru
@higaiwokeru 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, that is one of my biggest fears that someone I trusted, someone I’ve known for years and even someone i’ve loved and held dear turns or was always a trash human being
@amberhernandez
@amberhernandez 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah yeah, comic good, but can we talk about the absolute _ballad_ this mans wrote?? The sheer emotion behind not even the lyrics, but the story, and the acapella as the instrumental adds so MUCH! Bravo!!
@dweeb7991
@dweeb7991 2 жыл бұрын
I remember a very emotional number from ultimate spider-man about a shocker, basically he always used as a background villain, but the comic when Peter was kidnapped by a shocker was brilliant, emotionally intense,because the Peter in him was quite helpless and defeated, plus Kitty and Mary Jane couldn't find him,even small and weak villains can be shown from a very strong side
@TheNewWorldGaming
@TheNewWorldGaming 2 жыл бұрын
Ultimate Spider-Man was such a good run. I literally could not put it down when i wasn’t working for about 2 weeks until i finished it. It even made the Ultimatum stories not god awful. Only thing that really sucked was seeing Bagley leave, the artist after him who did about 20 issues or so was a nice replacement and i didn’t have any problems, but holy fuck when it turned into a pseudo manga and redesigned all the characters i really wished they went with another artist. It really didn’t feel like it was the same Ultimate Spider-Man that came before it. The actual stories were well enough and i enjoyed the Aunt May taking in Human-Torch and Ice Man, but it just would have been better with a different artist. Besides that, the end is fantastic. This and The Walking Dead are some of my favorite comic runs simply because it was just mostly one writer and one artist on the same book so it felt consistent.
@VerticlSpoon
@VerticlSpoon 2 жыл бұрын
Stories with usually one writer end up amazing, but it's not always bad to have people say what's good and not good.
@TheNewWorldGaming
@TheNewWorldGaming 2 жыл бұрын
@Innocent Jogger I generally like Peter being shorter, but holy shit when Lafuente took over, i felt like Peter looked like a middle schooler. Maybe it was the contrast with him being so short and drawn with such huge pants and stuff, but i just felt it looked really off. Also yeah, as much as i do like the slow burn and character drama from Ultimate Spider-Man, after Ultimatum the relationship drama was just tiring and felt a little overplayed. I assume that’s why Bendis decided to end it, because he felt like he was going to have this in a constant loop.
@mcuhater2596
@mcuhater2596 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheNewWorldGaming Damn, I Love Seeing Those Stupid Kids Including You Loving Ultimate Spider-Man And Spider-Verse More Than 616 Spider-Man. BECAUSE THIS COMIC BOOK SERIES FUCKING SUCKS!!! AND REAL SPIDER-MAN FANS INCLUDING MYSELF CELEBRATE ULTIMATE PETER'S DEATH BECAUSE WE KNOW 616 SPIDER-MAN IS THE TRUE SPIDER-MAN!!! GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY ULTIMATE TOXIC-SNARKY KID IS BETTER THAN THE OG 616 SPIDER-MAN!! WAIT, YOU CANNOT, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HATE STAN LEE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@skeye4985
@skeye4985 2 жыл бұрын
Stuart Immonen's art was beautiful and yeah ultimate Comics Spider-man's art was jarring and felt off
@silvergameplay7580
@silvergameplay7580 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbmYlMyf2aeWZWw.html 🕷🕷🕷♥️
@TheGodzillatron
@TheGodzillatron 2 жыл бұрын
We all agree that the end edit and song is one of the most epic things that has ever existed? LOVE IT
@RichieBoyys
@RichieBoyys 11 ай бұрын
The love song at the end really topped it off for me
@ThinkpieceTribe
@ThinkpieceTribe 2 жыл бұрын
The way that Ultimate Spider-Man is written when it comes to its villians is so interesting. Like you said in this video with Kingpin sure he's a big/brolic man, but his character is at its best when he uses his words. And Ultimate Spider-Man really explores that side of his character, that side where he doesn't have to hit you with a haymaker, when a foolproof threat can do the trick. The way that Norman devolves from Arachne to Athena, which is shown throughout the comic and talked about with his story in the beginning. Shows me that the writers for this comic really planned for him to devolve into someone that lost their way, or maybe have always been twisted in the head. They get the core aspects of these villians down to a tee and write them in ways that the MCU would LOVE to achieve but can't lol. The pacing, writing, the evolution/devolution of the characters, the worldbuilding, and totally understanding Spider-Man and his character makes this my favorite Spider-Man comic for sure. These are the same reasons why I love Spider-Man 2 (2004) and Into The Spider-Verse so goddamn much because they truly understand these characters, and when you understand the characters that you're adapting, you can truly write and create something special...amazing maybe.
@alexlennen
@alexlennen 2 жыл бұрын
my eyes are so messed up rn Ima read this in the morning, much love to the youtuber who's gonna overtake me in the future❤️
@ThinkpieceTribe
@ThinkpieceTribe 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexlennen thanks man lol I’m gettin up there one step at a time
@IStandForTJandTAW
@IStandForTJandTAW 2 жыл бұрын
Daredevil’s netflix series also does the kingpin like this.
@hattoripool1533
@hattoripool1533 2 жыл бұрын
I really want to see a tv show that accurately adapts the entire Ultimate Spider-Man series to tv but have some differences in a similar manner to Invincible. Now that I think about if Invincible ever adapts that Spider-Man/Invincible crossover from the Marvel team up series they could use that Spider-Man
@thomasbatta3250
@thomasbatta3250 2 жыл бұрын
Make happen it Disney
@igorz4582
@igorz4582 2 жыл бұрын
why would they adapt a spiderman and invincible crossover?tv show wise it makes 0 sense and isn't a popular enough series to get adapted
@hattoripool1533
@hattoripool1533 2 жыл бұрын
@@igorz4582 I said if
@igorz4582
@igorz4582 2 жыл бұрын
@@hattoripool1533 and i said there's 0 possibility, i can also say they might adapt invincible meeting batman the tick or the avengers but wtf makes you think the animated show is gonna do that?
@Wiki1184
@Wiki1184 2 жыл бұрын
@@igorz4582 I agree it's practically impossible, but that's more due to licensing/copyright rather than popularity. Because lets be real, even if the general public has never heard of the original story anything with the Spider-Man brand slapped on it will most likely sell well.
@Wolfsburge
@Wolfsburge 11 ай бұрын
I fell asleep watching another video & woke up to you singing terribly about Otto & Norman .. wtf is this masterpiece of horror
@nonoise2854
@nonoise2854 2 жыл бұрын
I can truly say, the ending song really tied the whole video together ✨ perfectly ✨
@sergeichernitsyn2034
@sergeichernitsyn2034 2 жыл бұрын
The song in the end is incredible, definitely worth the wait. Also, you should do a video about Bendis making ultimate Peter and Norman immortal and doing other weird shit in his Miles Morales run, and maybe try to figure out what the fuck is going on with the ultimate universe now, it’s been popping up a lot in the recent comics.
@smhfirebruh5630
@smhfirebruh5630 2 жыл бұрын
Tl;dr In the early 2010s Marvel tanked the reputation of the Universe with crappy events and then merged the ultimate and 616 universes. Then Bendis left for Dc comics which i guess pissed marvel off enough to want to scrub the existence of the ultimate universe even though some writers really want to bring back the ultimate universe
@sergeichernitsyn2034
@sergeichernitsyn2034 2 жыл бұрын
@@smhfirebruh5630 the worst thing about Ultimate spider-man is that it made me read Ultimatum, Marvel really can’t do big events anymore.
@smhfirebruh5630
@smhfirebruh5630 2 жыл бұрын
@@sergeichernitsyn2034 at least the spider man ultimatum tie-in was pretty good and really advanced the plot, but the rest might be the worst event ever written
@orbakun
@orbakun 2 жыл бұрын
I think you can tell when a creator will get big, it’s usually when the creator has something new to offer to the comunity. It’s so awesome to witness it. Good looks Alex I love your writing style shit just keeps getting better and better.
@orbakun
@orbakun 2 жыл бұрын
Also if you wanna hear just the banger go to 20:39 if ur lookin
@havardl4495
@havardl4495 Жыл бұрын
But the real question, wtf is that epic music in the start
@benyewest3699
@benyewest3699 11 ай бұрын
That ending song a banger
@deverd9771
@deverd9771 Жыл бұрын
There's also the part when Norman answers to Peter after he tells him that all of this won't bring back his reputation, company and son back and Norman just says: "Yes...but you will be dead" And pete just says: "Fair enough"
@digopesciotta165
@digopesciotta165 2 жыл бұрын
This man has fantastic content. Thank you Alex! Was wondering if you could talk about daredevil comics, but thank you for all the videos so far!
@alexlennen
@alexlennen 2 жыл бұрын
thank you Digo!
@insertnamehere3827
@insertnamehere3827 2 жыл бұрын
I agree I really enjoy his content and im not going anywhere… Also great intro bro
@devinbrewer8956
@devinbrewer8956 2 жыл бұрын
Bendis was awesome on daredevil as well.
@c97x
@c97x 2 жыл бұрын
PR af
@KSSKAYDEE
@KSSKAYDEE 2 жыл бұрын
Facts do daredevil plz
@maker6153
@maker6153 2 жыл бұрын
You are 100% right, all the villains (mostly except for the oneshot type villains or one arc villains) having the more personal connection to Peter or Spider-man makes it more real and honestly more scary. Theres nothing scarier than a giant green monster that throws fire and is willing to throw said fire at your family if you don't admit he owns you lmfaoo that shits so wild Norman is just nuts
@JosephFlores-yn4yi
@JosephFlores-yn4yi 2 жыл бұрын
Something more scarier than a wild monster, is a monster who is after you and is willing to do everything to see you death
@maker6153
@maker6153 2 жыл бұрын
@@JosephFlores-yn4yi thats the whole thing though, even in the end, it wasn’t a purposeful idea to kill Spider-Man. This was supposed to be another demonstration to prove to Spider-Man that he owns him. Norman would go to the ends of the earth to make Spider-Man his to own until the day he died and Spider-Man was willing to die fighting agains’t that blatantly insane idea
@spider-sensematt4679
@spider-sensematt4679 2 жыл бұрын
Peter’s barber is a menace for that cut, it’s so bad that the hair made his mask look round and Gwen and MJ had to cut his hair against his will
@tiberiusmarie4919
@tiberiusmarie4919 2 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. By the time I finished Ultimate Spider-Man, I completely forgot about the Arachne/Athena myth that Norman referenced in the first issue. It tied up so nicely with the rest of his character, and you bringing it to my attention increased my appreciation for the series even more. Great work as always, I'm already excited about your next video, I know it'll be a hit no matter what it turns out to be about. Also, the song at the end made me laugh!
@Annmjpg
@Annmjpg 2 жыл бұрын
Man, when I watched ultimate Spider-Man when I was younger but I’d never expect the source material to be lightyears better.
@jacrispy2237
@jacrispy2237 2 жыл бұрын
Dude that end song was hysterical and actually really pleasant to listen to😭 I love your channel keep up the good work man!!
@mr.25xenoxjorjiev26
@mr.25xenoxjorjiev26 2 жыл бұрын
The song is the best part of this essay. Love it. And even better, I can now listen to this masterpiece in a separate video.
@Pyrilewski
@Pyrilewski 2 жыл бұрын
Man, that ending was so unnecessary and so long. I enjoyed every second of it. Great video, I love Ultimate Spider-Man, it's definitely my favorite version of the character (except for the haircut). Very much enjoyed listening to you talk about it!
@dimastha2929
@dimastha2929 2 жыл бұрын
That ending love song tho Now i understand why you took too long Worth the waiting
@monovader
@monovader 2 жыл бұрын
I read Ultimate Spider-Man because of your original video so thank you for that. I completely agree with your take on the villians, I usually find 616 Norman to be very boring his connection to Peter is flimsy at best, but this version is paticularly vicious while still maintaining consistent motivations throughout the story.
@spider-jonah-man7148
@spider-jonah-man7148 2 жыл бұрын
I find 616 Norman more interesting when he’s in an elf costume, but ultimate Norman is interesting without the goblin persona.(but the goblin is still cool)
@monovader
@monovader 2 жыл бұрын
@@spider-jonah-man7148 I love the design for 616 Green Goblin, I’m all up for wacky colorful villians. My main issue with 616 Norman is that He always shows up out of nowhere to be the big bad at the end even when it doesn’t make sense like in Superior Spider-Man.
@silvergameplay7580
@silvergameplay7580 2 жыл бұрын
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@JohnnyCenter25
@JohnnyCenter25 5 ай бұрын
I feel like Bendis was so eager to tell these stories and have this giant impactful moments that he had a tendency to rush from arc to arc quickly setting up villains, have the big fight where Peter loses, challenge Peter's ideals and morals, Peter bounce back and defeat them, and all of this in the matter of 3-4 issues. This interpretation of Norman is different than what I'm used to, but I love the idea of him and he has some incredible moments. Still, he's the best example of rushing that villain cycle. They introduce the idea of him knowing about Peter and studying him from the distance, then an issue later he becomes the goblin and becomes defeated. They introduce the idea of Norman owning Peter and that he has to work for him now that he's back, and then an issue later he's put back in jail. This kind of thing happens every time he comes back. The Kingpin however was such a strong character and one of the few villains Bendis really took his time with and fuck Kingpin became my favorite Spidey villain because of the Ultimate Spider-Man run. I can even defend how he got killed off suddenly by Mysterio without any heroes present because it fits with his story. He considers himself grand, yet is killed off easily by someone who then was a nobody. I know Kingpin is often associated with Daredevil, and I get why totally, but he is just such a beast of a well written character that he can become "The Joker" of an antogonist to two heroes (two heroes that barely interact with each other as well). I also think that's why that moment with Daredevil almost killing Kingpin works so well as Peter also has a lot of stake into this villain. If Peter had barely interacted with Kingpin then him saying it's not worth it could have been seen as a little disengenous, but Peter fully understands what this man is capable of and understands how personal Wilson can be with his threats, yet Peter's morals as Spider-Man is enough to convince Daredevil to not go down that dark path. It's my favorite moment of the entire Ultimate run. That and Kingpin owning the merchandising rights to Spider-Man, hands down biggest power move any villain can commit.
@gvn598
@gvn598 2 жыл бұрын
Snapping the guy's neck is a generous description for when The Kingpin straight up Oberyn Martell'ed his underling. Those books really pulled no punches, im rereading the early stuff now and intending to finish this time, and your coinciding coverage has been fantastic, thank you!
@obtuseangle14
@obtuseangle14 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a good story and ends in a grand way with the death of both peter and norman. Thank god these two dont come back to life for no reason essentially ruining this ending😌
@SageKStroke52
@SageKStroke52 2 жыл бұрын
Ultimate mostly did villains great but I absolutely hated how Bendis handled Kraven making him a joke
@therandominfochannel6619
@therandominfochannel6619 2 жыл бұрын
Probably just figured he could never do anything to top Kraven’s Last Hunt and decided not to even try lol.
@rant-rangerx2108
@rant-rangerx2108 2 жыл бұрын
@@therandominfochannel6619 Y'know Kravens last hunt taking place on the ultimate universe would have made way more sense since 1610 is far darker Basically what I'm saying is 616 and Ultimate Kraven should switch places
@Wiki1184
@Wiki1184 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, a lot of villains got shafted in the run. Hell, I think Rhino’s only appearance in the series has him be defeated by Iron Man off panel and Peter never even gets to fight him/interact with him. Though I could very well be forgetting other appearances he had in the series.
@megaavonaco9954
@megaavonaco9954 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wiki1184 didn’t he put a hole on the part of the suit that covers peter’s ass from their fight or was it someone else?
@calamaribowl8683
@calamaribowl8683 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly he's not great in the first place
@pedromasquijo682
@pedromasquijo682 2 жыл бұрын
There's something especially unbelievable about the calmness with which Norman threatens Peter and his family once he returns from seemingly dying in the river, Bendis may be a pretty awful writer for his work for the most part (Guardians of the Galaxy, Civil War 2, Superman etc.), but Ultimate Spider-Man is written with a passion that I don't know if I'll experience again with a comic of this character, thank you for finally talking about a work and some characters that I feel are not talked about enough these days. Anyway this video rocks dude plz keep going with this type of quality
@kevinballerino426
@kevinballerino426 2 жыл бұрын
*Spoilers for miles morales current series* I love how this video conveniently leaves out the reveal that both Peter and Norman are immortal and that there both alive lol. That idea Was awful but I can’t help but feel that Bendis had something planned before secret wars cut miles Time in the ultimate universe short. While bendis dose have moments that are Truly awful/ pointless in some of his stories, I feel like he was always more careful with ultimate Spider-Man. I personally don’t care for miles in the main universe, I get that they only did it to make sure he survives secret wars but I feel like a element from those stories is now missing with him just being the second Spider-Man in the main continuity. I love Mike’s current series but that’s mostly cause I get the feeling that it’s gonna end with Mike’s going home, with the return of ultimate Norman and the introduction of ultimatum n all. Once miles goes home I hope they finally continue the story that was set up years ago. I guess that Peter could of just retired but if you remember at the end of Spider-Men 2 we see that he’s now an ultimate, so he’s definitely still active. Id love for marvel to do a series showing what ultimate Peter was doing while miles was mind wiped and stuck on earth 616. I just miss the ultimate universe as a sandbox for Spider-Man (not as a whole, my god not as whole lol) and hope that at some point we return there weather it’s with miles going home or showing the reader what Peter has been up too sense he came back to life. Great video man.
@kevinballerino426
@kevinballerino426 2 жыл бұрын
Idk why miles autocorrected to Mike twice, just ignore it. Ya know why I meant lol
@lilactheleafyboi
@lilactheleafyboi 2 жыл бұрын
maybe spoilers? for ultimate charcters? another thing is that ultimate universe may return because it was revealed in a venom issue that 1610 still exists (in chaos but still). perhaps they will bring it back? maybe not- but miles was not the only one who actually made it to 616, the maker (aka ultimate reed richards. evil supervillian) also survived then went back to 1610. I actually do not know if there are current ultimate comics ongoing or not though.
@dylanlewis5113
@dylanlewis5113 7 ай бұрын
New York Comic Con 2023: Marvel announced that the Ultimate Universe is back. Ultimate Spider-Man is being written by Jonathan Hickman. Hickman has said he's doing a "Peter B Parker" kinda thing. Maybe that means that Ultimate Peter will be the one to have a wife and kid.
@ChateauLonLon
@ChateauLonLon 6 ай бұрын
​@@dylanlewis5113It unfortunately seems to be a different "Ultimate" universe, a world much like 616 that was altered by The Maker
@traveonwilcher8603
@traveonwilcher8603 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the iconic romance of otto and norman to be portrayed on the big screen
@jacobp249
@jacobp249 2 жыл бұрын
That Kingpin scene with Daredevil almost killing Vanessa reminded me of DD season 3 finale (of course with Spidey and Daredevil's morality both being in the Netflix version of Murdock)
@astropunch7708
@astropunch7708 2 жыл бұрын
That ending song just made this video a million times better than No Way Home.
@TheAwesomeAlan
@TheAwesomeAlan 2 жыл бұрын
As great as this video is, I just want to point out a correction for something around 3:00 In the Raimi Spider-Man films, in particular, Spider-Man 1, the spider has nothing to do with Oscorp. It's created by the Columbia University genetics/research lab, where the field trip is taking place. Norman is connected to Peter through Harry alone, which is more like classic comics than the Ultimate comics, the Ultimate comics being what The Amazing Spider-Man definitely took more direct inspiration from.
@Legocraft6373
@Legocraft6373 2 жыл бұрын
What a great intro music
@alexlennen
@alexlennen 2 жыл бұрын
I love you
@Legocraft6373
@Legocraft6373 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexlennen I love you too
@emanuelmarriott2454
@emanuelmarriott2454 2 жыл бұрын
It’s inspiring the amount of effort you put in
@alexlennen
@alexlennen 2 жыл бұрын
thank you Emanuel!
@master0fthearts894
@master0fthearts894 2 жыл бұрын
Dang, this video is pretty dang incredible. Excellent analysis as per usual, the humor that is always spot-on, and of course… The end song. 👌 I am so glad that these end songs are becoming a bit of a tradition. They’re brilliantly edited, well-sung, and with good music, and they’re perfectly hilarious. 😂 So yeah, great job Alex.
@allforone3427
@allforone3427 2 жыл бұрын
So we're just not going to bring up that awesome musical at the end that's what happening apparently
@micheleangepaduano211
@micheleangepaduano211 2 жыл бұрын
Love your content!!! Keep going. In my opinion, the best Spider-Man interpretation is the Spectacular Spider-Man show and Insomniac Spider-Man
@KillerTacos54
@KillerTacos54 2 жыл бұрын
100%
@glanty
@glanty 2 жыл бұрын
I agree
@alexlennen
@alexlennen 2 жыл бұрын
Shamefully I have not experienced any of those, one because I'm lazy and two because I'm too broke to buy a PS4
@thatboiarrow
@thatboiarrow 2 жыл бұрын
Discovered your channel 2 days ago and I'm really impressed with the amount of effort you put into your content. Keep up the good work!
@alexlennen
@alexlennen 2 жыл бұрын
thanks Arrow!
@diegoaladdin86
@diegoaladdin86 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah so much quality in such little time
@drodrig1
@drodrig1 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexlennen you deserve at least 100k for your music alone
@silvergameplay7580
@silvergameplay7580 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbmYlMyf2aeWZWw.html 🕷🕷🕷♥️
@sabishi_black
@sabishi_black Жыл бұрын
AM I THE ONLY ONE...WHO JAMMED OUT TO ALEX'S SINGING IN THE END 💀. Vro...You earned a sub, You made me feel like I was in 2012 again watching old youtube.
@danebath
@danebath 2 ай бұрын
The song at the end of this is one of the greatest things I've ever witnessed on youtube. An absolute masterpiece.
@dantecrottogini529
@dantecrottogini529 2 жыл бұрын
We're just going to ignore that last story where Norman comes back to life again and so does Peter? I'm cool with that
@Albino_Basilisk
@Albino_Basilisk 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you made this video. So many people call Ultimate Goblin bad just because of his design, when this is really one of his best incarnations out there
@sawkchalk6966
@sawkchalk6966 2 жыл бұрын
I love how this comic retrospective also doubled as a musical spectacular
@sehtuk3953
@sehtuk3953 2 жыл бұрын
I just appreciate the joke that Peter became a _web developer_ at the Daily Bugle.
@Kono_Q
@Kono_Q 2 жыл бұрын
That ending was beautiful,please make an album
@CoolGuy-te1pt
@CoolGuy-te1pt 2 жыл бұрын
2:16 Also, his last speech to Peter before he kills him is one about how God wants him to kill Peter. Fitting.
@Mystiq1
@Mystiq1 2 жыл бұрын
These videos make me want to start reading more comics! The amount of effort you put into these videos is amazing. And that ending is perfection.
@palungjnl
@palungjnl Жыл бұрын
That song was abso-friggin-lutely amazing.
@alexandrefrauches132
@alexandrefrauches132 2 жыл бұрын
Great analysis! One villain I also think was done brilliant in the Bendis run was the Shocker. In the comics he is just a joke and at first it seemed that the ultimate comics would go in this same path only for one issue to change all, with Shocker not only capturing Spider man (showing that he is not that incompetent) but his dialogue with Peter really shows he is just a poor tragic guy who turn to crime after his life was screw over by companies (in other words he is another victim of corrupt criminals like Fisk and Osborn).
@Navii_
@Navii_ 2 жыл бұрын
I like lots of Ultimate Spider-Man’s villains and Norman and Ock really do work. Good job on this newest vid!
@SenhorPudimDanilo
@SenhorPudimDanilo 2 жыл бұрын
We really need that ending song on Spotify (or in It own vídeo)
@savien1400
@savien1400 2 жыл бұрын
Might be a bit late for you to see this, but I wanted to tell you I really enjoy your content and think you're genuinely one of the best KZfaqrs who discuss comics in an intellectual and reflective manner. Your scripts are a great balance of comedy and information and your narration is lively and well-paced. I've gone through all your videos and my biggest gripe is that there aren't enough! I'm glad I discovered your channel and I look forward to your growth and more videos to come. Your content definitely deserves more attention from the comic fans of KZfaq and I'm sure if you keep it up it'll come. Keep doing you. Take care.
@YosuaNangin
@YosuaNangin 2 жыл бұрын
You're so underrated. Your vids are well edited with great points too. You deserve more recognition dude.
@glanty
@glanty 2 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree
@alexlennen
@alexlennen 2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much Yosua
@imaloser3805
@imaloser3805 2 жыл бұрын
That Otto x Norman song was glorious
@ILikeSoda229
@ILikeSoda229 Жыл бұрын
The segment at 20:27 is an absolute banger and made this video go into my favorites just because of how hard it slaps
@LegsON
@LegsON Жыл бұрын
The song at the end is hilarious!!! Lovely analysis.
@fingerpaint06
@fingerpaint06 2 жыл бұрын
That always be my baby remix is the best thing I've seen all week. Truly a masterpiece for our future generations.
@ee6753
@ee6753 2 жыл бұрын
the mysterio reveal in Spider-Men was great imo
@ruzakiyay
@ruzakiyay 9 ай бұрын
That ending was AMAZING and I need you to put it on all possible music streaming platforms. Also you're rapidly becoming one of my favorite creators! I'm not even a big comic fan but your videos are converting me 🙏 always so funny and perfectly edited + your voice is so nice to listen to! Keep it up!!
@txeazy
@txeazy 2 жыл бұрын
Literally just started reading the comics and I started this exactly one because of you The MJ dying joke caught me off guard 😭 More spider man videos pls
@daizenim4721
@daizenim4721 2 жыл бұрын
I just found this video, and instantly fell in love with your content. Your commentary and storytelling is just so entertaining! Thank you, Alex!
@taxnfax6496
@taxnfax6496 2 жыл бұрын
Im so glad i realoded my subscriptions just in time to catch this masterpiece of a video so early
@samuelmejia6878
@samuelmejia6878 2 жыл бұрын
If they ever want to bring Norman Osborn or Oscorp into the MCU, which they probably will. Have them be this, not a guy in a suit that goes crazy after ingesting a formula. Have it be an insane man with a huge ego, that transforms into this demon-like monster of a green goblin. The reimagining would make a lot of sense after Tom Holland knows about the green goblin he already fought. Give him his own goblin.
@Fluhhber
@Fluhhber 2 жыл бұрын
Doing the monster goblin would do really well to differentiate from Defoe goblin too, especially in the fight scenes since we’ve already seen him and Peter fight. Also, love suit goblin cause of how goofy he is (like how the tf does his mask work?? Istg that’s face paint or something) but Ultimate Spidey made Monster Goblin my fave. Love the way it leans on that Jekyll and Hyde imagery, but subverts it by having Norman be just as much of a monster in his human form.
@jobbersupreme8720
@jobbersupreme8720 2 жыл бұрын
MCU Goblin being a big CGI monster wouldn't be that interesting. If the MCU adapts a goblin it's gonna be Hobgoblin probably.
@monsoon1303
@monsoon1303 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fluhhber While I’m not as big of a fan of the Ultimate Goblin as the 616 one, if they do bring 19999999 Norman into the films, that’s the version that they’ll likely go with.
@Fluhhber
@Fluhhber 2 жыл бұрын
@@jobbersupreme8720 honestly would love that too
@swiss5518
@swiss5518 2 жыл бұрын
I read a little Spider-Man when I was younger and absolutely loved it. Your videos got me back into the series and a whole new perspective of the comics in general. Great videos !!
@OMGYasuke
@OMGYasuke 2 жыл бұрын
Great video man! So awesome seeing Ultimate Spider-Man analysis on youtube, which have been lacking. Ultimate Norman has always been interesting to me and FINALLY someone makes a proper video on him! Again, great video!
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 2 жыл бұрын
I love ultimate Spider-Man and the villains in this book were super interesting especially Peter Parker vs kingpin stories were personally my favorite fights between hero and villains dynamic in this book.
@jees9179
@jees9179 2 жыл бұрын
A few weeks back I didn't even know you, and now I literally wait for your videos to hit the internet. Keep it up man You the G!
@sampepper7682
@sampepper7682 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Wasn’t expecting a four minute love song at the end but was blessed by the best art I’ve ever had the pleasure to witness
@mro9629
@mro9629 2 жыл бұрын
This was amazing! you called attention to a lot of plot points I forgot about in ultimate Spider-Man and made the villain's seem like demons who make armies against Spider-Man, but you didn't talk about the bad as i hope you would when Bendis decided to shit the bed and bring Norman back to life again and how kingpin came back to New York only to be killed my Mysterio(long story) without saying any final words. That was my main issue with ultimate spider-man, is that some of the villians didn't get the "screen" time needed to fully bring them up to status
@meshari1792
@meshari1792 2 жыл бұрын
21:00 masterpiece
@frangolemac1160
@frangolemac1160 2 жыл бұрын
One of my top 5 moments in USM has to be when Spidey prevented Daredevil to kill Kingpin's wife, you could litereally see that Spidey felt the same way and wanted to do it too if it weren't for DD, but he knew that if he did it, it would stop Kingpin but not in a humane way. That's also the reason why I love him so much, knowing how to distinguish the right choice for everyone and the choice for yourself
@BowmansWorld
@BowmansWorld 2 жыл бұрын
The ultimate villains are great but its dumb to think they are better developed than 616 kraven, otto, rhino etc. i mean the whole story with rhino and his wife is tragic plus all the growth otto had and the downfall kraven endured. Some ultimate versions feel like they crammed everything into their first outing and then they were gone.
@thirdplanet4471
@thirdplanet4471 Жыл бұрын
To be fair 616 has the advantage of being written and rewritten several times and wherenone author fails another suceedes whilst ultimate universe doesn't get that
@VincentDoesntSmoke
@VincentDoesntSmoke 2 жыл бұрын
you fucking killed it on that song at the end and the intro what a banger.
@kylecarrington66
@kylecarrington66 2 жыл бұрын
after your speedball masterpiece, i've been seriously waiting for this one. great work mate, keep it up!
@BlayF13
@BlayF13 2 жыл бұрын
this is still my absolute favorite version of the green goblin bc he actually feels threatening and near invincible. hes a genius, sociopath, narcissist, and a corrupt businessman. hes a monster on the inside who becomes monstrous on the outside, reflecting his increasing power which amplifies the rest of his negative traits as a human being. i really wish we would get a version of the goblin similar to this one in the movies or in the insomniac universe, hes way more menacing as an actual monster than just a psycho in a suit with super strength
@Tracker947
@Tracker947 2 жыл бұрын
Naw man, Green Goblin in No Way Home is the epitome of a monster, that mfer went hard Ultimate Green Goblin was the best before that though, I will agree
@candybutcher17
@candybutcher17 2 жыл бұрын
Love the video for covering the villains motives and so much more and the song is fantastic!
@Mauro-ti5hi
@Mauro-ti5hi 2 жыл бұрын
Love the content, you made me fall in love with comics once again, thank you!
@harrykirkpatrick7014
@harrykirkpatrick7014 2 жыл бұрын
10 seconds in, intro's a banger. I like your editing style and comedy a lot.
@thebanana8403
@thebanana8403 2 жыл бұрын
The way you narrate the story is soo GOOD i can understand the story without pausing lol GREAT VID 👏and The ending is 💀💀💀
@ryderras
@ryderras 2 жыл бұрын
You are honestly the reason i got into comics, I've been enjoying all these videos and i'm glad I found this channel. Thank you
@sequoahhicksjr
@sequoahhicksjr 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible video man. Ultimate Spider-Man is on of my favorite series especially once it goes over to Miles’ story
@ee6753
@ee6753 2 жыл бұрын
i love this channel because i got into USM last summer and like no one talks about it now!! but it’s so good and i’ve been recommending it to a lot of people, i’m glad it’s getting the attention it deserves! middle part peter ftw
@TacticalChild
@TacticalChild 2 жыл бұрын
Watching an Alex Lennon video is a truly awakening and life changing experience every time
@AHZUH
@AHZUH Жыл бұрын
Holy shit you are one of the greatest comic KZfaqrs I’ve ever found
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