The vocal trinity vs Son Seung Yeon (

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Pigeons and Planes

Pigeons and Planes

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@raymondsihombing955
@raymondsihombing955 Жыл бұрын
Son is one of the asian singer who sing with resonant even when it getting higher she use mix.
@raymondsihombing955
@raymondsihombing955 Жыл бұрын
Celine F#5 in Divas 1998 was so easy plush with such great back to back runs it was so complex actually to doing such crazy fast back to back runs like that, i think..
@sonnetfan3302
@sonnetfan3302 Жыл бұрын
SONNET>>Whitney>>Celine>>Mariah
@unperturbable
@unperturbable 2 ай бұрын
Dull
@Floptube-dp7zo
@Floptube-dp7zo Жыл бұрын
Sonnet >
@starsohyang5574
@starsohyang5574 Жыл бұрын
Divas 💗
@todaysagoodday1862
@todaysagoodday1862 Жыл бұрын
Almost all, if not all, of Whitney’s belts here were resonant.
@MariosPOS
@MariosPOS Жыл бұрын
1:39 except that D
@MariosPOS
@MariosPOS Жыл бұрын
oh and 4:20
@jinji4609
@jinji4609 Жыл бұрын
@@MariosPOS it was supported yep D5 had less round vowel but it still had strong projection
@todaysagoodday1862
@todaysagoodday1862 Жыл бұрын
@@MariosPOS That note was grounded.
@MariosPOS
@MariosPOS Жыл бұрын
@@todaysagoodday1862 You know, i'm never sure what y'all mean when you use that term. Many of you use it differently.
@MariosPOS
@MariosPOS Жыл бұрын
The Whitney belts you have marked in green are actually resonant
@hopopsdhwiie1464
@hopopsdhwiie1464 Жыл бұрын
Do u use KVA
@MariosPOS
@MariosPOS Жыл бұрын
@@hopopsdhwiie1464 You're asking me if I use a blog...?
@celiniac
@celiniac Жыл бұрын
That's what KVA bs does to you unfortunately
@katrina1460
@katrina1460 Жыл бұрын
@@MariosPOS well yeah like misusing resonance and support term
@MariosPOS
@MariosPOS Жыл бұрын
@@katrina1460 lmaoo y'all are coming in packs
@tasosGRvocals
@tasosGRvocals Жыл бұрын
Nice video, I would like better clips for the trinity, but I didn't expect you to put, as this video was purely about making sonnet seem better. I also noticed an E5 of Celine's was recorded from my video 😅😅 Great effort nonetheless, amazing video!
@AC-ju5yu
@AC-ju5yu Жыл бұрын
Sorry, she is better.
@brickzsparkle3673
@brickzsparkle3673 3 ай бұрын
​@@AC-ju5yu no she's not, you're delusional..😂
@AC-ju5yu
@AC-ju5yu 3 ай бұрын
​@brickzsparkle3673 Oh, I believe you. I bow to your expert analysis not my 47 years of experience. What was I thinking.
@DaydreamCarey1234
@DaydreamCarey1234 Жыл бұрын
I actually hope you used a better clips for vocal trinity.
@kimsohyangfanclub8334
@kimsohyangfanclub8334 9 ай бұрын
Sonnet>>>Whitney>>>Celine>>>Mariah
@MariosPOS
@MariosPOS Жыл бұрын
3:03 not pulled larynx, just pushed
@fucke4696
@fucke4696 11 ай бұрын
i really like seungyeon, but i think this video is too critical of the other 3 and not critical enough of her. you pointed out whitney’s jaw vibrato in one of the clips, but seungyeon also tends to have jaw vibrato on most if not almost all of her mid to upper belts. i also think she supports very well, but IMO i don’t agree with people who say she carries resonance up super super high. i’m not saying they’re muffled or anything, but in places where she should be mixing, she seems to lack head resonance, so pretty much all of it is coming from her opening her mouth a lot (which obviously is very good but i don’t think it’s the only factor when trying to resonate in a higher mix.) if i had to guess i’d reckon she doesn’t have her soft palate lifted when she’s up that high or something. not trying to discredit her, she’s phenomenal and better than a huge chunk of western singers
@mimilovelly8843
@mimilovelly8843 3 ай бұрын
better than the trinity in belting, let's give credit when it's due
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
Correction 4:32 whitney's green notes here are resonant except from the last F#5 which was accompanied with a little bit of throatiness 1:58 this D5 from Celine sounds like throaty/raspy but it also may be due to her microphone 4:42 that's a resonant F5 from Sonnet but it's not really optimal compared to her amazing F5 in "Lost love" 6:13 Celine's G5 is relaxed but lacks of necessary weight to be considered as supported note
@katrina1460
@katrina1460 Жыл бұрын
The G5 from Celine was belted M1 it's just not compressed so it's supported
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
@@katrina1460 belt does't mean support. Celine's G5 is thin and lacks of weight/power. 6:09 Sonnet's G5 is stronger/thicker and more powerful although Sonnet's natural tone is lighter than Celine's one
@katrina1460
@katrina1460 Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 first M1 is chest voice which is something that Celine bring, you give sohyang G#5-C6 supported when all of them are done with thinner fold closure (pure mixed voice)
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
@@katrina1460 then this G5 from Celine is def thinner than all of SoHyang's G5s bye. "Thinner vocal fold closure" but SoHyang's G#5-C6 are def thicker and more belted than some sopranos "with great chest development"
@lakescry.
@lakescry. Жыл бұрын
@@katrina1460 Kaji's garbage dumb=next Only the sound matters and G#5-C6 of SoHyang do not sound thin
@manhcuongvu8707
@manhcuongvu8707 Жыл бұрын
1:27 link please
@vyeagra420
@vyeagra420 Жыл бұрын
Waiting for eydie gorme vs sohyang headvoice btw💖
@vyeagra420
@vyeagra420 Жыл бұрын
@@celiniac this papers and Planes person called eydie's iconic "ill take romance" D6 shrill lmaoooo💀👎,they said it was horrible
@celiniac
@celiniac Жыл бұрын
@@vyeagra420 Exactly 💀 it's used to the post production used by kpop singers unfortunately. They aren't used to raw powerful singing 💀
@jinji4609
@jinji4609 Жыл бұрын
Nah 4:43 is better than the note after. One of best her F5
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
Honestly it's not optimally opened so I guess it's just supported
@jinji4609
@jinji4609 Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 most of her note are bright anyway. I don't see the much of problems and even then i dont' know how the F5 after had higher rate than her F5. Celine never really had good openness above D5. Sonnet's F5 had strong support, vibrato and amplified volume too 2:37 a bit of constriction & slightly whiny despite of good support
@MariosPOS
@MariosPOS Жыл бұрын
0:57 girl....
@GarageStudio7
@GarageStudio7 Жыл бұрын
Right 😅 Then proceeds to pick Son Seung's best and tuned vocals.
@mimilovelly8843
@mimilovelly8843 9 ай бұрын
​@@GarageStudio7mariah garbage belting is the one with dub and never dare to sustain belt above eb5
@kimcarson4219
@kimcarson4219 Жыл бұрын
My vocal trinity are Patti Labelle, Whitney Houston, Barbra Streissand
@bigmamafan1773
@bigmamafan1773 Жыл бұрын
Whats up with intentionally choosing bad clips for some of them while giving Sonnet her best one ? Well, you did put good clips just not throughout.
@bigmamafan1773
@bigmamafan1773 Жыл бұрын
Also I disagree with some of the labels you put on those notes
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
Coz Sonnet doesn't have bad moments below F5 while the trinity has. I just use 1 bad clips for MC, 3 for CD and WH, I also pick 2 bad clips for Sonnet too
@bigmamafan1773
@bigmamafan1773 Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 Doesn't have? At all ? Idk if I agree but alright 🤷‍♂️ got you
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
@@bigmamafan1773 even her "worst" Eb5 in Let It Go is just pushed a little bit. Her technique is very healthy and sustainable, that why's she is really consistent up to F5/F#5
@vyeagra420
@vyeagra420 Жыл бұрын
Bc they are biased lol,they are tryna make that flop they stan look good out of the vocal trinity💀💀
@Arthy30
@Arthy30 11 ай бұрын
Em Beltings Sonnet é muito melhor que as outras!
@lorence.julongbayan
@lorence.julongbayan Жыл бұрын
3:52 link please..
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b7ZpY8dys5OvaWw.html
@Matthew9.__
@Matthew9.__ Жыл бұрын
There is no f#5 belt in Whitney's run to you are 4:19
@drigao16
@drigao16 Жыл бұрын
I have to agree to disagree XD, I think all the notes in here are very well supported, is a misconception on people that singing throaty, or high larynx happens when there's no support, actually they need a better knowledge of the voice to do, and not only support, but also a good placement, or they would go off key. Btw that Mariah G5 is a sharp F#5, a lot of people use it on their videos for some reason :p
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
Raising the larynx to the point being higher than the heaven is when ur straining Support is not just abt breath management/ inhaling or exhaling. All the noise in ur throat needs breath, by that logic u support everything when ur speaking
@drigao16
@drigao16 Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 Thats not straining, a lot of singers use high larynx, its a style
@drigao16
@drigao16 Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 Everything its supported, because technically what you hear is subjective. Only people with very good ear training knows what the singer is doing, and knowing what the singer is doing and replicating it with your voice, also means that singing in a way its a style. Sounding appealing its another thing.
@MariosPOS
@MariosPOS Жыл бұрын
0:12 and 0:27 link? Oh and 2:03
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
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@dededejereme2284
@dededejereme2284 Жыл бұрын
🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️beautifull job ... just i see at 6.15 celine dion G5 is her note is supported for me ...G5 support
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
When u conpare Celine's G5 with ones from Whitney or Mariah, it's just relaxed/free
@dededejereme2284
@dededejereme2284 Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 for you the note is not supported??? this is complicated
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
@@dededejereme2284 it's unsupported . it has vocal freedoom but lacks of necessary weight to be supported, the shouty G5 from Sonnet is stronger
@dededejereme2284
@dededejereme2284 Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 it had weight on the note I think, free note, not enough for you to be ranked note supported, my ok okay thank you
@dededejereme2284
@dededejereme2284 Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 people say note support ok .... ^^ and others say no... help lol
@nknk2321
@nknk2321 Жыл бұрын
Can I ask about supported range of the vocal trinity pls
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
Celine dion Eb3/E3-D5/Eb5-around Bb5 Mariah Carey F3/F#3-Eb5/E5-G#5 Whitney Houston G#3-E5/F5-around B5
@Matthew9.__
@Matthew9.__ Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 Mariah has supported a D3 and a Bb5. Whitney has supported C#6 sometimes and an F3 and up to G5 as a belt. Celine has supported a C#6 as well
@MissMartianDCAU
@MissMartianDCAU Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 was this their peak or most current?
@dededejereme2284
@dededejereme2284 Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 at the best I think with example of the G5 at 6.05 you put here, celine dion at the best is C3/G5/B5/
@celiniac
@celiniac Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 *proceeds to use the term support incorrectly*
@lilith5656
@lilith5656 9 ай бұрын
0:43 Micless your ass 🤣, full room revarb
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 9 ай бұрын
You can keep pissing on Mariah Carey's small and lazy Make it happen C#5 without fancam reverb which is nowhere near to Sonnet
@MariosPOS
@MariosPOS Жыл бұрын
2:30 that's a bit tight
@MoustafaSElHassan21
@MoustafaSElHassan21 12 күн бұрын
Whitney>>>>Sonnet>>>Celine>>>>>Mariah Whitney Coordination is better
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 12 күн бұрын
@@MoustafaSElHassan21 not the one messing up I have nothing's belts is better than Sonnet who basically breathed Eb5&F#5 with ease
@hopopsdhwiie1464
@hopopsdhwiie1464 Жыл бұрын
6:14 was a nice G5 belt, her larynx was raised because it's G5 she still carried nice weight and freedom on that note it sounds better than her F#5 here
@dededejereme2284
@dededejereme2284 Жыл бұрын
its supported note for you???
@hopopsdhwiie1464
@hopopsdhwiie1464 Жыл бұрын
@@dededejereme2284 yes
@dededejereme2284
@dededejereme2284 Жыл бұрын
people say note support ok....... ^^ and others say no... help lol
@celiniac
@celiniac Жыл бұрын
@@dededejereme2284 her support was perfect. They are just using the term incorrectly. The note was free from unnecessary tension. This video is biased af.
@dededejereme2284
@dededejereme2284 Жыл бұрын
@@celiniac it's really hard to understand lol
@jaf2385
@jaf2385 Жыл бұрын
I do agree with how you rate Queen Sohyang. But with this lady has only plain voice. Unlike the classic ones, unbeatable..
@madols9314
@madols9314 Жыл бұрын
This video is a bad version of Son Seung-yeon. Son Seung-yeon's live is really perfect.
@GarageStudio7
@GarageStudio7 Жыл бұрын
Basically, *The Vocal Trinity* ate 👑👑👑 If you're gonna do a video like this, at least make it fair... The fact that you made this video just because I rightfully showed that The Vocal Trinity is better than Son Seung (and proceeded to pick notes from them when they aren't at their best yet picked the best notes from Son Seung) says it all. She's good, they are better.
@mooblink4ever899
@mooblink4ever899 Жыл бұрын
Oh I’m not a fan of SSY but If I didn’t know all of them including the vocal trinity, I would definitely pick her first or second bc her belting is just too strong. For me it’s Whitney=SSY>Mariah>Celine. I’m talking about belting technique only cuz overall everyone in the trinity is still a better vocalist. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7qjYMti2JPQgYE.html This performance from her is really good! It makes me want to explore more about her 😊
@GarageStudio7
@GarageStudio7 Жыл бұрын
@@mooblink4ever899 If you're talking about mixing, possibly, but when it comes to actual belting (M1 - TA engagement) they are stronger. Moreover, the performance you linked has a substantial amount of autotune kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7qjYMti2JPQgYE.htmlm57s Even from the beginning of this video you can hear the difference in quality of belting. Not only do Celine and Mariah beat her in actual belting but putting her on par with Whitney's belts is laughable.
@nknk2321
@nknk2321 Жыл бұрын
@@GarageStudio7 son seung yeon is not a mixer she's a typical of high belter. Her B4 is so strong and even her C#5 belted without microphone overpowered make it happen's C#5 from Mariah Carey. Lol both Mariah Carey and Celine are inconsistent above Eb5 so how can they compete with SSY who can manage up to F5? Not mention to the fact that Mariah cannot sustain high belts
@monaco4895
@monaco4895 Жыл бұрын
@@GarageStudio7 lots of Mariah Carey's dubbed notes are included in this clip I would say 🥴 but she's still no match to Son Seung Yeon. This sustained F5 belted 4:28 is insane I have never heard anyone in the vocal trinity have showcased the ability to produce such a very resonant F5 like this 👍
@GarageStudio7
@GarageStudio7 Жыл бұрын
@@nknk2321 1. What you are calling "high belting" is actually a mix. One can easily hear the shift. 2. As if Mariah's undubbed C#5 in make it happen isn't more resonant. 3. "Mariah Carey and Celine Dion are inconsistent above Eb5" So false that it's is laughable. Now sure, but if we are talking about their actual primes. Mariah was consistent to F#5s and Celine was consistent to F5s. If you have to go through all of their videos and count before it clicks to you, then do so. 4. Mariah cannot sustain high belts due to vocal damage and even then she's able to actually belt higher than Son Seung with more quality and without all that nasality.
@phucnhahuynh4477
@phucnhahuynh4477 Жыл бұрын
2:36 pushed resonance?? umm new words??? Stop make new weird words
@jinji4609
@jinji4609 Жыл бұрын
Resonance can have a degree of pushing and compression if you goes to large/heavy sound. It's normal
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
*stop making
@phucnhahuynh4477
@phucnhahuynh4477 8 ай бұрын
​@@jinji4609so they should have said it clearly, because there is no such a thing called pushed resonance. "Resonant but with push" should be fine
@phucnhahuynh4477
@phucnhahuynh4477 8 ай бұрын
​@@pigeonsandplanes5805thank you for you correction since English is not me main language but, my point still stands because if you want to debate then stop making those unrelated topic :)
@jejemon123
@jejemon123 Жыл бұрын
Her voice is good but she pronouce wrong.
@liamdo151
@liamdo151 Жыл бұрын
Belting: Song Seung Yeon >>>>>>>> Whitney > Mariah > Celine
@allykelly
@allykelly Жыл бұрын
How
@drianppppp502
@drianppppp502 Жыл бұрын
🤣
@MariosPOS
@MariosPOS Жыл бұрын
No
@FJEAN-sb8km
@FJEAN-sb8km Жыл бұрын
Whitney >> Celine ≥ Sonnet >mariah . just my opinion
@esphyalquiza4746
@esphyalquiza4746 Жыл бұрын
Sonnet.. Celine.. Whitney.. Mariah...
@joshuarexrode8533
@joshuarexrode8533 Жыл бұрын
So basically the whole purpose of this channel is to pick the best notes from Korean singers, and the worst notes from others to make the Korean singers look better?
@madols9314
@madols9314 Жыл бұрын
what kind of bullshit?? That's not what you Filipinos do
@watchitever
@watchitever Жыл бұрын
Actually that's not even the best of Son.
@celiniac
@celiniac Жыл бұрын
Basically
@Matthew9.__
@Matthew9.__ Жыл бұрын
and all thes kpop singers sound good and "resonant" thanks to the annoying mic reverb. Girl not even mariah, whitney and celine have resonance which is squillo...all these kpop singers wouldn't have resonance in the slighest concerning that not even whitney has squillo-resonance
@pigeonsandplanes5805
@pigeonsandplanes5805 Жыл бұрын
When I say "resonant", I mean the sound is so clear, forward and round. I don't care about those stuff like "squillo/true ring etc.." Lol do u notice that even the studio effect cannot fix high larynx yells from some divas?
@MariosPOS
@MariosPOS Жыл бұрын
Squillo is resonance, but resonance is not squillo. Epilaryngeal narrowing is not necessary for resonance.
@danial11
@danial11 Жыл бұрын
"All the kpop singers sound good and resonant thanks to the annoying mic reverb"..... Girl do you even watch the video until the end.....how you gonna explain when Song seung yeon do acapella and still have resonance ....How about that Honey mic reverb effect doesn't work like that.......we can know if the notes actually resonance or strain.....mic reverb effect cannot hide that Either you're deaf or hater🙄
@dededejereme2284
@dededejereme2284 Жыл бұрын
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 at 6.15 celine dion G5 is her note is supported for me ...G5 support
@dededejereme2284
@dededejereme2284 Жыл бұрын
@@MariosPOS at 6.15 celine dion G5 is her note is supported for me ...G5 support
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