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The Way Games Work - NES Zapper

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ClanOfTheGrayWolf

ClanOfTheGrayWolf

Күн бұрын

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@TheCanadianWifier
@TheCanadianWifier 3 жыл бұрын
miss the podcast, used to watch cotgw a bunch in high school. Nice to see this video randomly getting recommended again and picked up by the algorithm
@msv622
@msv622 5 жыл бұрын
The “how” has been keeping me up at night, among other random questions. Thank you for this. You are my hero.
@ShapelessMonstrosity
@ShapelessMonstrosity 9 жыл бұрын
I was interested in the NES Zapper and came across this video and the rest of your "The Way Games Work" series. Great series, I really enjoyed it.
@terrorrname
@terrorrname 9 жыл бұрын
60fps on the NES... better than next gen consoles
@DiceEnjoyerSgtHops
@DiceEnjoyerSgtHops 9 жыл бұрын
trainiac12 "Most TVs have at least 720p" meanwhile in 2015 I enjoy my 4k smart tv and my 5k mac :3
@snapphanen
@snapphanen 9 жыл бұрын
Starlight Official but you run games at 10fps #notworthit
@DiceEnjoyerSgtHops
@DiceEnjoyerSgtHops 9 жыл бұрын
MrSnapphanen what? I run 60fps on many of my games but if you try to make your consoles run 4k it lags HARDCORE. maybe the consoles can't handle it. because my computer does it just fine
@snapphanen
@snapphanen 9 жыл бұрын
but 120 is where its at on PC
@farribastarfyre
@farribastarfyre 9 жыл бұрын
MrSnapphanen More like 10 to 15. Seriously, to get framerates and graphics even equal to most consoles, you'd have to spend at least twice as much, and to get more than that, you'd be spending at least a 1000 bucks, at which point you might as well just pick up airsoft as a hobby instead, because you'd end up spending the same amount of money, but you'd actually be doing something in real life.
@TSDT
@TSDT 11 жыл бұрын
Didn't know about this series until today. I love how informative, entertaining and educational this whole thing is.
@Mentallyuntouchable
@Mentallyuntouchable 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, your videos are top notch. This guy deserves way more subscribers.
@araneuskyuro
@araneuskyuro 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly
@RetroIslandGaming
@RetroIslandGaming 4 жыл бұрын
@@araneuskyuro His subscribers deserve more videos. ;P (seriously, this channel is top tier and I'm shocked they never got ultra popular!)
@UltimateDragonite
@UltimateDragonite 3 жыл бұрын
Man, I'd completely forgotten about this channel.. I'm even still subscribed!
@presidentsnow7315
@presidentsnow7315 10 жыл бұрын
I loved this episode. Thanks for making it.
@BakerBoys95
@BakerBoys95 13 жыл бұрын
I love how you can condense things down into an explainable level. :3
@listennatalia284
@listennatalia284 9 жыл бұрын
Really love these videos, thank you for making them. There's few things I enjoy more than learning how tech works.
@BlackGwarDeath666
@BlackGwarDeath666 10 жыл бұрын
I don't know why I am only now finding your videos dude but they are awesome!
@TazManiac008
@TazManiac008 12 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, this has been so puzzling to me for many years!
@RenegadeOfFunk00
@RenegadeOfFunk00 13 жыл бұрын
dude that was pretty sick i'd love it if you made more of these
@ghettokon
@ghettokon 10 жыл бұрын
Hi COGW, great video! I teach NES game development at Parsons the New School for Design in New York City. My take on why the zapper doesn't work on none-CRT TVs is still based on the scan lines but more from the software side. When scan lines run all the way to the bottom of the screen, it takes time go back up, this time difference is called vblank. This brief moment (about 24.5uS) is when NES does all the updates. The overall refresh rate (including vblank) is universal to all NTSC(64uS 228 cycles) or PAL CRT TVs so the zapper knows exactly when to look at the screen. With none-CRT TVs, NES can't predict what is on the screen anymore so the zapper stop working.
@Vallejo-man
@Vallejo-man 12 жыл бұрын
Amazing how complete the info are, love this videos
@fcbahamutzero
@fcbahamutzero 4 жыл бұрын
Roo!! Comes back! You are the man!!!
@TropicalEncounter
@TropicalEncounter 11 жыл бұрын
You sir have just explained your way to a new subscription. Good job to you, I look forward to seeing more!
@mr-dbs
@mr-dbs 11 жыл бұрын
I came to learn about a Zapper, Instead I found an awesome channel full of very informative vidya game videos. Great channel. Subscribed.
@mediaglitch
@mediaglitch 11 жыл бұрын
You keep blowing my mind with these things.
@RetroPiero
@RetroPiero 13 жыл бұрын
Great guide man, how simple things were back then but yet, so revolutionary.
@walkwithme
@walkwithme 12 жыл бұрын
Great video. Entertaining, informational and not annoying. Thumbs up
@itsavinashtiwari
@itsavinashtiwari 7 жыл бұрын
thanks.. one of my life mystery solved..
@JailerGamer
@JailerGamer 7 жыл бұрын
Avinash Tiwari yeah mine too
@JoshTrotter42
@JoshTrotter42 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I've been trying to figure it out for so long! Thank you!
@bajan13ken
@bajan13ken 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this in-depth explanation. If KZfaq subscriptions were still actually useful, I would totally subscribe.
@theq18
@theq18 13 жыл бұрын
Great episode and great show very well made. Keep up the good work, you gained a new follower.
@undeadeath
@undeadeath 11 жыл бұрын
Wow, this was an extremely informative and interesting video! I subscribed to watch the rest of them.
@Tuppoo94
@Tuppoo94 9 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who's able to give a simple, easy-to-understand explanation to how the Zapper works.
@SpinozasPsyche
@SpinozasPsyche 12 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I found the CRT explanation with the latency quite convincing.
@cinedelasestrellas
@cinedelasestrellas 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation; this sheds light on something I remember as a kid. As you said, in games like Duck Hunt, the quick darkening of the screen was not much of a hindrance, but I remember owning a port of one of my favorite arcade games at the time called "Operation Wolf". Unlike Duck Hunt, where you only take one or two shots at a time, in Operation Wolf, the screen is always full of enemies and you are constantly blasting away at anything and everything the whole time. The darkening of the screen in his case made the game essentially unplayable. I had to resort to using the regular controller, which just moved a crosshairs around the screen. It was a disappointingly poor emulation of the arcade experience, where you got to use an Uzi that didn't blank out the screen and actually had a vibrating mechanism to produce a recoil-like effect when fired.
@pepe6666
@pepe6666 10 жыл бұрын
this is an awesome video. well presented, and factual. there's lots of rare & good information. also thanks for addressing the rumours and getting into the technical details. best video ever.
@sweenthemachine
@sweenthemachine 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation, always wondered how the Zapper worked.
@gimmethembeans6997
@gimmethembeans6997 8 жыл бұрын
where has this channel been all my life?
@winstonfightinggiants7319
@winstonfightinggiants7319 8 жыл бұрын
Great, professional video! good to see some people have figured out how to present information.
@luciferseamus
@luciferseamus 7 жыл бұрын
epic epoch in the background!! Chrono trigger for life! Also, great vid, very informative
@PSI_Nightshade
@PSI_Nightshade 13 жыл бұрын
I need to get my hands on a CRT TV so I can use my Zapper and Super Scope again. Great job like always, Roo!
@JamesSmith-xf8pq
@JamesSmith-xf8pq 8 жыл бұрын
I grew up in the 80's. A great time. A fantastic time. A simpler better time. No helmets, no safety crap. You learned lessons the good way, the hard way.
@JamesonMS
@JamesonMS 11 жыл бұрын
You, my friend, have just earned a sub. Keep up the great work!
@cpnnpr
@cpnnpr 12 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! Very informative
@PabloSeoane
@PabloSeoane 12 жыл бұрын
It's been so long since I wanted this Big Question to be Answered by somebody for me =D Thanks a lot man! Nice explanation
@jeremyclyde3006
@jeremyclyde3006 9 жыл бұрын
nice. i was really puzzled by this looking back at my childhood.
@kane01337
@kane01337 Жыл бұрын
Great video - just discovered , nice interesting breakdown & footage :)
@thediamonddust
@thediamonddust 8 жыл бұрын
That was an excellent video. I'm by no means stupid but having tried to digest what was going on on an article I found online I was still baffled - your video explains what is going on perfectly. Something I've wondered about since being about 5 years old, lol. I guess technically speaking, the screen is shooting the gun. Fascinating stuff, thank you.
@JakeOfAllTrades17
@JakeOfAllTrades17 11 жыл бұрын
This was a GREAT video!
@sandplasma
@sandplasma 10 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!
@Costar58
@Costar58 11 жыл бұрын
Asalieri brought me here, I think I'll stay. Great video. Subscribed, gotta watch everything on the channel asap.
@TForceX
@TForceX 13 жыл бұрын
Good work :) love the episode
@blee427
@blee427 13 жыл бұрын
Another great video good sir. Keep up the good work and teach the masses about vidya games.
@zioma500
@zioma500 11 жыл бұрын
Cave Johnson, you're back!
@ROB38915003
@ROB38915003 11 жыл бұрын
Great video! Took me 30years to get round to working out how these things work lol. Always assumed it was something to do with the screen flicker but didnt realise about the 'rectangles' showing up for a frame. Subbed. :)
@EricFullerton
@EricFullerton 11 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered how it works. Thanks!
@araneuskyuro
@araneuskyuro 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video!
@mirrorpiece
@mirrorpiece 13 жыл бұрын
Really interesting Roo!
@stevenscottoddballz
@stevenscottoddballz 11 жыл бұрын
Ohhh, BOY! Maybe you can help me remember the arcade I keep remembering! It was a shooting game, but the video part was a hologram. i remember seeing the rotating drum whenever the action changed.
@FranciscoMaiaPT
@FranciscoMaiaPT 8 жыл бұрын
thank you.very well explained.
@TopperRico
@TopperRico 9 жыл бұрын
Detailed and interesting thanks.
@franco7363
@franco7363 10 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@Xelker
@Xelker 11 жыл бұрын
very cool video man, I always did wonder how this worked.
@slimshady1787
@slimshady1787 8 жыл бұрын
Very educational video.
@TommyNavid
@TommyNavid 11 жыл бұрын
Okay, bro. You just got favorite and subscribe, because that poster of the Epoch is EPIC! Crono Trigger is the greatest video game of it's time. Still playable today
@7Neutrino
@7Neutrino 11 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks! This looks really cool!
@TheJollyGreen
@TheJollyGreen 8 жыл бұрын
Great video
@pkhtjim
@pkhtjim 11 жыл бұрын
Nicely informative.
@DanLekin
@DanLekin 12 жыл бұрын
Very good video! Cheers!
@Sye909
@Sye909 13 жыл бұрын
NES Zapper - The Way Games Work "Psshh! I already know how that thing works, light detection!" *12 minutes and 32 seconds later* "I-I have so much to learn..." Very informative stuff there Roo !
@brpadington
@brpadington 11 жыл бұрын
Love the Perfect Strangers clip.
@Atamoss
@Atamoss 13 жыл бұрын
Hey very interesting as usual Roo !
@ecthrilloholics
@ecthrilloholics 8 жыл бұрын
strobe light covered with 5 sheets of opaque black construction paper with a small square cut out always worked when I was a kid
@thusharafernando4402
@thusharafernando4402 8 жыл бұрын
this could actually work given that the stobe light is off when the nes cheat detecting system is active.
@silixtuhibiski95
@silixtuhibiski95 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I can't stop seeing the white square now...
@NNJAx
@NNJAx 11 жыл бұрын
that was cool , i enjoyed watching it. thank u
@deniskenn
@deniskenn 12 жыл бұрын
awesome info man. good job
@PlooKon09
@PlooKon09 13 жыл бұрын
I always feel smarter after watching these episodes. :)
@electronash
@electronash 11 жыл бұрын
Great in-depth explanation! It might not be completely correct to say that modern LCD / Plasma screens update ALL pixels at once, but I see what you meant. They often use some form of multiplexing and display maybe a few rows at a time. For plasma TV's it's even more complex - many of them use a similar system to single-chip DLP in that they display sequential "bit-planes" to make up the shades of colours. They need to do this for Red / Green / Blue too, but they update much faster than DLP's.
@dishwater63
@dishwater63 11 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, found you through vsauce. Totally glad I did, this is awesome.
@DeepSpeeD187
@DeepSpeeD187 9 жыл бұрын
Nicely explained. Great video! Reminds me of my childhood. I still have that nitendo game console, can't wait to gather all the equipment and start playing. Now the only thing I'm missing is a ctr tv xD ...subscribed btw! :)
@spiderjerusalem100
@spiderjerusalem100 12 жыл бұрын
Great video, more like this please :)
@elisedoan7089
@elisedoan7089 11 жыл бұрын
that caught me of guard too.
@HAMMlicius
@HAMMlicius 13 жыл бұрын
Why aren't you guys more popular?
@Soulsledge
@Soulsledge 13 жыл бұрын
@HAMMlicius So true, your videos are pretty awesome, very detailed and edited in a way so everybody can understand. Keep up the awesome work :)
@oscuro8961
@oscuro8961 10 жыл бұрын
its funny how old technology was actually so clever and advanced for its time. So much of what we have now really still comes from this kind of stuff
@ConsoleCleric
@ConsoleCleric 12 жыл бұрын
The sequence where the screen turns black, drawing a target around each separate target one at a time, is an example of SERIAL PROCESSING. Despite how quickly the gun-shooting process is completed, each step is still completed only one at a time.
@DamianYerrick
@DamianYerrick 11 жыл бұрын
Some Zapper games do use scanlines. On a CRT, the Zapper's photodiode is accurate enough to see up/down if the software polls it once per scanline (once per 113.667 cycles), just not left/right. Operation Wolf uses a white screen to tell up/down and then sends a white "cloud" from the left side to tell left/right with sequential targeting. The homebrew game Zap Ruder does the same thing.
@joemieszczur9735
@joemieszczur9735 8 жыл бұрын
i have something that wasn't mentioned. when i was a kid i found out if you point the zapper in the upper left corner of the tv it would ALWAYS give you a hit in duck hunt, but specifically the "Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt" cart. it worked on every tv i ever tried it on, as a kid. but i never tried it on another shooting game (i only had that and Gotcha!, but i sucked so bad at gotcha! i never figured that game out). occasionally you would have to angle the light gun a little different for it to work. my guess was the light was following the curvature of the screen. but i always thought it was inverted, flashed white and showed black for the targets, funny how the eyes play tricks lol. oh and i only tried it with the orange and grey light gun. never had the grey one.
@maximillianrexcarpediem1469
@maximillianrexcarpediem1469 10 жыл бұрын
6:02 - Perfect Strangers!
@GeekThingsPodcast
@GeekThingsPodcast 11 жыл бұрын
super cool stuff
@bobskie321
@bobskie321 8 жыл бұрын
4:38 Using that principle it is possible to develop a game which the zapper works on HDTV. All you need is to calibrate the input lag before playing by pointing the zapper at the TV screen.
@K0rNb4LL
@K0rNb4LL 8 жыл бұрын
I don't see this happening. You would have to have the screen flash before the gun activated the sensor and I doubt the gun itself has the programming to be delayed like that. Input lag wasn't a thing until HDTVs came out so they wouldn't have known to plan for it back in the 80s.
@jimday666
@jimday666 9 жыл бұрын
very nice, very nice. subscribed!
@AlexChama
@AlexChama 11 жыл бұрын
I meant the flair and the better generational fitting of devices and technology, but you're right in that, too! :)
@RetroPiero
@RetroPiero 13 жыл бұрын
can you believe these thing still work just as good?
@111EJG
@111EJG 11 жыл бұрын
Your videos plain incredible! You leave no detail unturned or questions unanswered. How long does it take you to get enough information to actually make a video though?From what I can guess, probably a while. Keep up the good work! :)
@junesewage
@junesewage 10 жыл бұрын
I miss this game I used to play it all the time it was my fav... But haven't play it in a whole tho
@Pegwarmers
@Pegwarmers 9 жыл бұрын
Wow, very technical.
@SoftOtaku
@SoftOtaku 10 жыл бұрын
Great video! Very informative and well-made. One thing: Zapper guns don't work with some late model high grade CRTs. I found out the hard way.
@Shinntoku
@Shinntoku 13 жыл бұрын
Nrrrrg I want that Epoch poster!
@MonstaFishKeeper
@MonstaFishKeeper 8 жыл бұрын
Always wondered
@cormacsee
@cormacsee 11 жыл бұрын
great vid thanks
@CarterG4Y
@CarterG4Y 9 жыл бұрын
Is that seriously a poster of the Epoch on the wall? That's amazing.
@psychokinrazalon
@psychokinrazalon 9 жыл бұрын
Looks like the Zapper will get some more time in the spotlight with the Duck Hunt Dog coming in as a fighter in the new Smash Bros game.
@LtDipstick
@LtDipstick 11 жыл бұрын
diggin the aperture shirt
@ClanOfTheGrayWolf
@ClanOfTheGrayWolf 13 жыл бұрын
@AMTProductions1 Perhaps not, but I was using it to mean a peripheral that was made available after the initial console was first sold, which it was.
@DFX2KX
@DFX2KX 11 жыл бұрын
I loved my zapper, never had anything else but duckhunt for it, though.
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