The wildest F-22 variants America could have gotten

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Lockheed Martin's F-22 Raptor is widely touted as the most capable air superiority fighter on the planet, thanks to its combination of stealth, speed, maneuverability, and situational awareness. So it seems pretty logical that this legendary platform would become the basis for more than one proposal for derivative aircraft meant for duties outside the air superiority role.
Let's talk about some of the wildest ones.
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@SandboxxApp
@SandboxxApp 2 ай бұрын
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@abdullahyounus77
@abdullahyounus77 2 ай бұрын
I just learned these info about fb22, naval f22, and twin seat variant few hours earlier in wikipedia website, I think it's just a coincidence that you happened to make a video on same topic
@TheWhiteWolf2077
@TheWhiteWolf2077 2 ай бұрын
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@lightninger2206
@lightninger2206 2 ай бұрын
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@AdavidPT
@AdavidPT 2 ай бұрын
promoting a ruzzian company, SHAME!
@lightninger2206
@lightninger2206 2 ай бұрын
@@AdavidPTThe part of the company related to World of Warships actually divested their Russian portion related to World of Warships if I am remembering correctly.
@vinny7114
@vinny7114 2 ай бұрын
" I don't care that is impractical, I want it " that got me haha same.
@synjdcrispy7843
@synjdcrispy7843 2 ай бұрын
The unfortunate part is how prevalent that line of thinking is within DOD acquisition.
@TfiveR
@TfiveR 2 ай бұрын
YUP, that hits
@vinny7114
@vinny7114 2 ай бұрын
@@synjdcrispy7843 Goddamn now I feel guilty. You are right.
@davidwilliams9302
@davidwilliams9302 2 ай бұрын
Sounds like picking Raptor over Black Widow. Hmmmm
@Mobius118
@Mobius118 2 ай бұрын
@davidwilliams930 The only acceptable choice, of course
@xkavarsmith9322
@xkavarsmith9322 2 ай бұрын
An F/B-22 would have been awesome to look at. But I think the Pentagon said something like "why not put glass cockpits and Link-16 in all the F-117s we have so it can do the same thing at half price?" And Lockheed probably said "yeah, ok, sure, won't be as cool tho."
@hoej
@hoej 2 ай бұрын
A third of the payload and deffo subsonic. Not quite the same capabilities.
@shenmisheshou7002
@shenmisheshou7002 16 күн бұрын
The F/B 22 would not be invisible to radar. The B1 and B21 are big enough to be hard targets for VHF band radars (the S-400 and The Type 346 Chinese radars) but the F-22, F-35, and other smaller aircraft are pretty easily visible to the VHF band radars. These planes can be detected at probably 150 miles by these radars.
@Rimasta1
@Rimasta1 2 ай бұрын
“How many F-22’s does America need?” “Yes!”
@mill2712
@mill2712 2 ай бұрын
"How many did America get?" "Umm..."
@CptJistuce
@CptJistuce 2 ай бұрын
​@@mill2712 Sad trombone noises.
@Kenny-yl9pc
@Kenny-yl9pc 2 ай бұрын
xDDDD@@CptJistuce
@Kenny-yl9pc
@Kenny-yl9pc 2 ай бұрын
But the bright side of canceling the F22 program prematurely is that we get to see the 6th gen air dominance program/jet and B21 Raider much earlier, and they are much more advanced than any F22 variant could ever be. So it's not all lost yet.
@Rimasta1
@Rimasta1 2 ай бұрын
@@Kenny-yl9pc Assuming those are all ready on time. You go to war with what you have, not what you plan to have.
@ATLSloan
@ATLSloan 2 ай бұрын
‘Would you intercept me I’d intercept me’
@zsigmondfeher4624
@zsigmondfeher4624 2 ай бұрын
Fellow habitual line crosser fan. Here before this blows up
@pigeonpoo1823
@pigeonpoo1823 2 ай бұрын
Hahahaah😂
@VTdarkangel
@VTdarkangel 2 ай бұрын
Call sign: Bill
@AlexPerkins252
@AlexPerkins252 2 ай бұрын
THIS HANGAR’S A FCKN PRISON
@franciscodetonne4797
@franciscodetonne4797 2 ай бұрын
*licks lips*
@austinrhodes2963
@austinrhodes2963 2 ай бұрын
I know this is off topic but I think they should name the NGAD the "Corvid ." It's the perfect name as Corvids are known to be the most intelligent family of birds. It would also be a similar to the f22 being named after a group of birds (raptors) instead of a specific species of bird.
@Tenchigumi
@Tenchigumi 2 ай бұрын
Plus, we can then call a squadron of NGADs a "murder" or an "unkindness."
@FrostYT4444
@FrostYT4444 2 ай бұрын
I think they should call it project broken arrow
@adamb8317
@adamb8317 2 ай бұрын
But then people would think it was called the COVID
@ThirdLawPair
@ThirdLawPair 2 ай бұрын
I like the name "wraith" as it conveys the ghost-like stealth of the B-2 Spirit, but scarier.
@CptJistuce
@CptJistuce 2 ай бұрын
Or, hear me out, we call it the Owl, like we should've done with the 22. It sees everything, and you'll never hear it coming.
@enlilofnippur8409
@enlilofnippur8409 2 ай бұрын
The FB-22 looks vaguely reminiscent of an J-20 without canards.
@mirroredvoid8394
@mirroredvoid8394 2 ай бұрын
J-20 is a scrapped US design, stolen during operation shady rat.
@SK-jd6gg
@SK-jd6gg 2 ай бұрын
lol I wonder why😂😂😂
@MattWeberWA
@MattWeberWA 2 ай бұрын
Production version of MANTA + F-35 Block 4 avionics and new generation engine + a couple of Kratos Valkyries or Australian Ghost Bats tagging along and even without FA/XX or NGAD coming down the line there'd be the makings of a nasty little 5.5th generation fighter there. And that's just with the maturing, publicly disclosed technologies. 6th gen is going to be wild.
@ButtThuck
@ButtThuck 2 ай бұрын
Alex, we're gonna need a video on the B-1 Lancer. Specifically, we need a video on the B-1R, a regional variant with A2A missiles and F22 engines
@jagerfromgsg945
@jagerfromgsg945 2 ай бұрын
Hahaha B-ONE-R haha
@TheOneWhoMightBe
@TheOneWhoMightBe 2 ай бұрын
An A2A Bone sounds like something I'd read about in a Dale Brown novel.
@kaydenchan7093
@kaydenchan7093 2 ай бұрын
@@jagerfromgsg945💀
@watchthe1369
@watchthe1369 2 ай бұрын
I expect the NGAD and Navy Stealth to be 2 seaters to manage the drones.
@audacity60
@audacity60 2 ай бұрын
The 2 seat swing wing was also known as A/F-X. The idea was to replace A-6 for the Navy & the F-111 for the USAF. Flight International, 26 Jan- 1 Feb 1994, had an article on it. Engines would have been PW7000, a higher bypass version of the F-22 P&W F119. Shame it was not pitched to the Europeans as it would have been a great Tornado bomber replacement. Perhaps let Panavia build 20-30% based on the number ordered. Shame it never happened.
@MrCateagle
@MrCateagle 2 ай бұрын
Regarding AI agents, the F-35 supposedly has a "pilot's associate" to unload some of the pilot's workload.
@CatGoon67
@CatGoon67 2 ай бұрын
4:55 Ace Combat 7 hell yeah
@ronjon7942
@ronjon7942 2 ай бұрын
Oh damn, the Strike Raptor just SCREAMS Pacific Theater.
@JohnSmith-fg7rd
@JohnSmith-fg7rd 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I really liked the FB-22 STRIKE RAPTOR. As well as the two seater versions. The military should always include two seat variants whenever building a new aircraft for the exact reasons you cited. NOW although the swing wing version for aircraft carriers would have been awesome, I could see the complexity and impractical reasons for not building it. AWESOME SHOW ☆☆☆☆☆
@CptJistuce
@CptJistuce 2 ай бұрын
​@@nomercyinc6783I think we're all painfully aware of that. The Strike Raptor would've been the bomb, though.
@jarink1
@jarink1 2 ай бұрын
The variant we apparently needed was a dedicated balloon-buster.
@sevex9
@sevex9 2 ай бұрын
Tack tipped missiles?
@pike100
@pike100 2 ай бұрын
This joke is getting really stale.
@tedntricia
@tedntricia 2 ай бұрын
"Unbridled awesomeness!" My new catch phrase.
@BenNotheis
@BenNotheis 2 ай бұрын
Alex + F22 = Instant Watch.❤
@texasranger24
@texasranger24 2 ай бұрын
A video about the X65 and active flow control would be cool.
@doncalypso
@doncalypso 2 ай бұрын
Yeah... but probably not enough publicly available data yet to compile a comprehensive video on it.
@Dan-nx9zn
@Dan-nx9zn 2 ай бұрын
He already made one
@glenndwyer5786
@glenndwyer5786 2 ай бұрын
Damn that quick glimpse of the 2 f14's flying looked sooo awesome
@jamess3241
@jamess3241 2 ай бұрын
I listen to your stuff when I doordash a lot. I keep the phone in the glove box so I don't look at the screen while I'm driving. You know, for safety. When you said "Swing Wing Raptor" I almost ruined a few peoples night
@DakotaDoc
@DakotaDoc 2 ай бұрын
I understand there was in works a plan for a FB-23. That would have been the cats meow!
@abatesnz
@abatesnz 2 ай бұрын
For the navy. Could foreign allies have bought it? Foreign f22 sales are banned, but the x23 wasn't banned.
@pike100
@pike100 2 ай бұрын
Cat's meow?!? OMG, you must be even older than me (and I am 62).
@abatesnz
@abatesnz 2 ай бұрын
​@@pike100 Brits & Irish say "the dog's bollocks".
@texasranger24
@texasranger24 2 ай бұрын
2:32 to skip the ad
@davidweikle9921
@davidweikle9921 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your service
@jarink1
@jarink1 2 ай бұрын
I honestly don't know how Wargaming makes any money off WoT and WoWS any longer.
@thesuperdupercoolsebassapl4426
@thesuperdupercoolsebassapl4426 2 ай бұрын
5:05 your cool dude, totally love ace combat series including 7 and mostly assault horizon ,are like so radicaly sweet man
@joevaccaro6655
@joevaccaro6655 2 ай бұрын
Yes, a hybrid raptor/tomcat would have been glorious 💯
@mrkojak-ci1zm
@mrkojak-ci1zm 2 ай бұрын
Reminiscent of the F-16XL
@bertg.6056
@bertg.6056 2 ай бұрын
Fabulous presentation, thanks Alex !
@matthewsutton5946
@matthewsutton5946 2 ай бұрын
I would not be surprised at all if Lockheed’s entry in the NGAD program is essentially a variant of the X-44 MANTA proposal. Essentially a “Next Generation F-22”
@codyshealy6509
@codyshealy6509 2 ай бұрын
I would like to point out that an on board AI Agent could be a removable semi autonomous robot that could help with other things, we could call it an R2D2 system…..which makes the chAir Force and Navy behind the curve unless NGAD comes out as an X-Wing…….
@counterfit5
@counterfit5 2 ай бұрын
Aeromechs!
@louis_the_hedgehog
@louis_the_hedgehog 2 ай бұрын
But how could you make such a design practical in the real world?
@codyshealy6509
@codyshealy6509 2 ай бұрын
@@louis_the_hedgehog the X-Wing or the R2D2?
@louis_the_hedgehog
@louis_the_hedgehog 2 ай бұрын
@@codyshealy6509 The Droid. Imagine how hard it would be to design one that would do THAT many things. But it would be harder to design a fighter like that.
@ivaniii9707
@ivaniii9707 2 ай бұрын
When you mentioned the most advanced proposal for the F-22 my immediate thought was the YF-23.
@GustavSvard
@GustavSvard 2 ай бұрын
The F-23 would have been hard to think up a swing-wing version of. But an all-delta FB-23? That could have been interesting! :)
@mohammedsaysrashid3587
@mohammedsaysrashid3587 2 ай бұрын
Wonderful video about FB-22 supersonic Raptor's newest US designed ... & NAT F -22 of navy utilized
@michaelgautreaux3168
@michaelgautreaux3168 2 ай бұрын
Oh Hell Yeah! High end "Sandboxing"! Many thanx Alex 👍👍
@DeetexSeraphine
@DeetexSeraphine Ай бұрын
I remember, as a kid, seeing a concept drawing of the F/B-22, it was much like the one shown in AC7, but lacked the vertical(diagonal?) Tails.
@shanehayes6048
@shanehayes6048 2 ай бұрын
Another great video Alex. I appreciate your work.
@mikebridges20
@mikebridges20 2 ай бұрын
Alex going bananas over the NATF was fabulous! and I think our experience with B2, B21, and our LO ISR drones will serve well in the 6th gen designs under work. Hopefully in a couple of years we'll find out about them.
@bigmike9128
@bigmike9128 2 ай бұрын
Fb-22 is basically an 5th generation f-111?
@SSDConker2
@SSDConker2 2 ай бұрын
yeah, it would have been glorious
@zachhoefs9543
@zachhoefs9543 2 ай бұрын
It'd be what the Ruskis have with the SU-34, but less missile-bait-y
@Alex.The.Lionnnnn
@Alex.The.Lionnnnn 2 ай бұрын
If the F22 is so good, why didn't they just use the basic F22 frame when designing the F35? Does it trade off too much in the way of range or something?
@SmoochieRoo
@SmoochieRoo 2 ай бұрын
the F-22's airframe could not lend itself well to what the F-35 needed to do, it needed to be designed from the ground up for the JSF program
@texasranger24
@texasranger24 2 ай бұрын
The whole form factor was off. You can't just leave one engine out in a two engine jet and call it a great single engine design.
@t65bx25
@t65bx25 2 ай бұрын
The 35 needed to be single-engine, it needed chonkier weapons bays for A2G-friendliness, and it needed real estate on both top and bottom for VTOL hatches to open. Beyond those things, the 35 and 22 largely are the same, barring further stealth improvements discovered too late to implement on Raptor.
@doncalypso
@doncalypso 2 ай бұрын
The F-35 was designed from the onset to be an exportable multirole *_strike fighter_* rather than an air dominance beast with secondary air-to-ground capabilities.
@EruditeEnigmaStL
@EruditeEnigmaStL 2 ай бұрын
The task of turning it into a carrier based aircraft without having the original intention of producing such a varient would have not been cost effective not to mention the vstol version.
@LearningAstrophotography-jj9en
@LearningAstrophotography-jj9en 2 ай бұрын
As always quite briliantly put together, cheers for everything.
@lexion2772
@lexion2772 2 ай бұрын
I still say the YF-23 should have won.
@DPain82
@DPain82 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely, I think we should of let Japan produce it.
@lexion2772
@lexion2772 2 ай бұрын
I thought they were in the process of something very similar.@@DPain82
@trimbalemrbale575
@trimbalemrbale575 2 ай бұрын
14:31 nice shot. looks like raptor delta wing existed in the 50s.
@JSFGuy
@JSFGuy 2 ай бұрын
You never know what time.
@paullubliner6221
@paullubliner6221 2 ай бұрын
Camera/chase plane by the wing alone and confirmed by the complete airframe's shadow starting a 2:51 is a P51 Alex.
@w8stral
@w8stral 2 ай бұрын
Hrmm: Missed the LNG powered F22 version. Was in active development in 90's and early 2000's. Had ~30% ish lower range/payload, but otherwise was nearly the same.
@samyfay7786
@samyfay7786 2 ай бұрын
7:00 Potentially. I am guessing that the super cruise speed could have achieved, at least marginally, superior because of the delta wings advantage. Edits. Better syntax.
@sweetroscoeful
@sweetroscoeful 2 ай бұрын
Love your vids, would love to see your thoughts/analysis of historical fighter jets....
@roygale5404
@roygale5404 2 ай бұрын
I for the life of me can't understand why there wasn't an FB-23 or just something -23. That plane is the Blind Melon of aerospace.
@vidoftheday8917
@vidoftheday8917 2 ай бұрын
You ask for comments on what we want to see you report on next: I think I thought of a good one. When and IF we might see new types of jets flying with demonstration teams like the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels. Why are the current planes flying, and what other demo teams exist in the world. Love what you’re doing!
@john-ze7eu
@john-ze7eu 2 ай бұрын
30 years old. Scary to see what the next one will be able to do
@Hebdomad7
@Hebdomad7 2 ай бұрын
That's the neat part. You won't... Well OK. Maybe just the aftermath.
@GustavSvard
@GustavSvard 2 ай бұрын
The F-22 first flew 26 years ago (the we know of). The F-15 flew 25 years before that. i.e. the F-22 is now older than the F-15 was when the F-22 first flew. and a similar size step further back from the F-15 lands at the F-100 Super Saber. Tech sure does keep flying forwards for fighter jets.
@haydnw869
@haydnw869 2 ай бұрын
What would a modern 2020s air superiority fighter look like without stealth?
@krowwithakay
@krowwithakay 2 ай бұрын
Look up the su 57 and you got your answer lmao.
@leyvonnewashlv4096
@leyvonnewashlv4096 2 ай бұрын
The f-15ex
@stop736
@stop736 2 ай бұрын
It would look like an expensive target…😅
@texasranger24
@texasranger24 2 ай бұрын
Depends on your specific priority, do you want high top speed and climb rate to intercept, best acrobatic performance or longer range? But generally a modernized variant of the Eurofighter Typhoon (or Rafaele) with big delta wings is the most likely answer.
@pigeonpoo1823
@pigeonpoo1823 2 ай бұрын
​@@stop736hahahahaahahaha
@wbball15
@wbball15 2 ай бұрын
Great stuff, Alex
@WaRDawG19D
@WaRDawG19D 2 ай бұрын
Love ace combat. You rock Alex.
@Raivo_K
@Raivo_K 2 ай бұрын
I prefer the Tom Clancy's HAWX. I played AC7 last year and the story was super confusing - half the time i did not know who i was fighting against (or for). The flying was ok but i still felt the older HAWX was better. Especially the music score.
@WaRDawG19D
@WaRDawG19D 2 ай бұрын
@@Raivo_K Hawx1 was good. But the ace combat series is one of the best flight game series on consoles. You should try playing multiple ace combats prior to 7. That’ll help the story. Hawx2 had a chance but lack in development and updates killed the game and franchise.
@Mobius118
@Mobius118 2 ай бұрын
@Raivo_K I recommend Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies. It’s an older game but widely touted as the best in the series, with a story that is miles better and much more put together than 7’s story.
@ShootBlueHelmets
@ShootBlueHelmets 2 ай бұрын
Yes, giddy! That could be the F/A-22. A stretch limousine F22 in F16XL clothing. Annular vectoring may require a stealth cone of shame (dog cone) of sorts to vector within. The performance we need from the F/A-XX is similar to the F-111. Swing wing? Probably not. Folding wings? Maybe. The F-35B seems stealthy enough with them.
@jamesforreal
@jamesforreal 2 ай бұрын
20yrs from now we'll be looking at vertical tail surfaces as "training wheels" for more modern aircraft. I can't wait to see the newer designs.
@isaacbrown4506
@isaacbrown4506 2 ай бұрын
Yall have to admit, looking at the Raptor makes it very easy to understand why people think we are using alien technology 😂
@charleselliott8539
@charleselliott8539 2 ай бұрын
Great video as always, Alex! Not sure if it would be too far outside your usual content or even be interesting to you. But I had an idea, since you mentioned playing Ace Combat. I was wondering if you may consider a video, featuring fictional Ace Combat fighters such as the FALKEN, Nosferatu, or Wyvern and the practicality of some of their fictional technology such as the Falkens armored/transparent cockpit, or the Wyverns forward swept variable geometry wings that fold forward and internally into the wing. I think it's pretty interesting but like I said. I don't know if that's too far outside your scope of videos. Anyways. Thanks as always for the great content.
@choctaw2sticks193
@choctaw2sticks193 2 ай бұрын
far out . . . great video, Alex.
@sogerc1
@sogerc1 2 ай бұрын
Wow, both the bomber and the variable geometry versions would've been so cool.
@icaleinns6233
@icaleinns6233 2 ай бұрын
Love it when Alex goes all fan boy for a proposed variant!
@isaacjamestea9652
@isaacjamestea9652 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for another amazing video. Always waiting for your next. You make my day.
@frankb389
@frankb389 2 ай бұрын
I played World of Tanks played every day for a few years, learned how to play and spent money on the game. Then one update the company completely changed the rules and wiped out my experienced crews. I have not played it since
@LeonAust
@LeonAust 2 ай бұрын
The Aussie RAAF were up for an F-111c replacement around 2010, the F/B-22 would have been a great fit, also it would have been a good supplement and superior to the F-15E strike Eagle for the USAF. The USAF could do with a couple of hundred now.
@laurentitolledo1838
@laurentitolledo1838 2 ай бұрын
all in all...very good content as always damn...no variable fighter yet....
@texasranger24
@texasranger24 2 ай бұрын
The US Army just chose General Dynamics and Rheinmetall as finalists for the 4000 Bradley replacement IFVs. Could you do a Firepower series video about this program, the two finalists and the other three that dropped out. Or more generally the current state of IFVs (Bradley, CV90, Puma, Lynx) and their most likely future. Maybe even including anti air IFVs like some CV90 variants and SkyRanger.
@texasman1836
@texasman1836 2 ай бұрын
If it's hard to apply stealth covering to the edges of a swing-wing on a fighter, how do they deal with the radar reflection of other movable edges like thrust vector vanes?
@nathanfisher1826
@nathanfisher1826 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Alex 😊
@pahtar7189
@pahtar7189 2 ай бұрын
I've long thought the Air Force could use a fast medium bomber along the lines of the FB-111, and the FB-22 would have filled that role nicely.
@falkenlaser
@falkenlaser 2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately the FB-22 was made kind of redundant in Ace Combat 7 since it carries Small Diameter Bombs, which the standard F-22 already carries. Instead it should have carried Land Attack Cruise Missiles (LACM’s, aka JASSM’s); the most powerful missile in the game, which aside from the Top Gun edition of the Su-57, is only carried by “mid-tier” planes.
@billabonggolkpr
@billabonggolkpr 2 ай бұрын
Turns out fighting reactionary wars in places we don't need to decreases our ability to fight real wars we actually need to. It's almost like it was completely intended.
@kwhp1507
@kwhp1507 2 ай бұрын
I had no idea the f15 adjusting intake ducts moved so much at low level flight.
@trevor21241842
@trevor21241842 2 ай бұрын
We will see all the cool stuff soon with ngad 🥰🥰🥰 literally so excited those jets are crazy
@jamesburnett7085
@jamesburnett7085 2 ай бұрын
Thanks, as always.
@sgsheff
@sgsheff 2 ай бұрын
The truth is that all of these concepts would have been 10 times cooler and cooler looking had they been based on the yf-23 instead and we all know it.
@john-ze7eu
@john-ze7eu 2 ай бұрын
If they had chosen the f23.. all u arm chair generals would be crying 'why didn't we get the F22??????'
@sgsheff
@sgsheff 2 ай бұрын
@@john-ze7eu nope because the yf-23 outperformed the yf-22 in every single category except added post stall maneuvering. It was just as much if not more a lobbying decision that Lockheed is famous for pulling off for decades in countries all over the world. Lockheed should be grateful Northrop built a better airplane because it gave them the improvements the production F-22 desperately needed. They switched from their flat planet philosophy of the yf-22 and fully adopted extended curvature that Northrop had developed and had been using since the 80's. That drastically upgraded the stealth of the F-22 and allowed them to also improve the aerodynamics closer to that of the yf-23 increasing its range and its supercruise speed. Don't forget the revolutionary radar in the F-22 is Northrop's from the yf-23 as well. Lockheed still uses pitot tubes on the F-22 and F-35 while Northrop moved on from those as well. Northrop did just as much as Lockheed to make the F-22 what it ended up as but the prototype yf-23 was on par so it makes us wonder what a production yf-23 would have been capable of. There are a lot of rumors/talk in the industry about how the 6th Gen fighters should be more of an evolution of the yf-23 than the F-22. That means something.
@john-ze7eu
@john-ze7eu 2 ай бұрын
@@sgsheff I guess the defense depth needs you in procurement
@sgsheff
@sgsheff 2 ай бұрын
@@john-ze7eu these are all these they have said since, I just pay attention.
@muzmason3064
@muzmason3064 2 ай бұрын
You would need special weapons capable of super cruise on the wing and that is a no to the best of my knowledge apart from body blended missiles perhaps?
@Aviator224
@Aviator224 2 ай бұрын
“World of tanks is built for accuracy!” War Thunder players:
@jbsfitness1989
@jbsfitness1989 2 ай бұрын
Alex, great content on the FB-22! I wrote a thirteen page letter to the Sec Def Gates on why his canceling the F-22 and not pursuing a FB-22 would lead us to where we are today in the fighter and bomber gap with China. To date, the predictions that I made have all come true minus the Chinese invasion of sovereign Taiwan (May 2024)?
@dreamhunter2973
@dreamhunter2973 2 ай бұрын
The Tomcat/Raptor Hybrid is easily one of the finest looking jets ever.... and if it was built, the Raptor production line would have been up and running till at least like 2015/16. This would have been a huge what if, as it would have kept the raptor production running, and also made upgrading it cheaper and easier
@charlesrichardson8635
@charlesrichardson8635 2 ай бұрын
"Pains me to the core!" 🤣🤣🤣
@texasranger24
@texasranger24 2 ай бұрын
Could you do a video about the future of Shorad? Will short range air defense provided by the laser Stryker? Will the Bradley replacement IFV XM30 function as an anti air cannon? Should the US look at the SkyRanger / Skynex / millenium gun system? And will there be a Stinger replacement with a better battery, targeting, and most importantly more affordable? Or is this affordable future the APKWS guidance upgrade for the cheap and plentiful Hydra 70mm rocket? Should we slap that on Avenger Hummvees? Or IRIS-T?
@dwwolf4636
@dwwolf4636 2 ай бұрын
That 50mm will probably slated for such duty. Millenium gun is 3rd party. what'll probably happen is that the 30mm Turrets of the interim SPAA solution will be mounted on a container. APKWS or cheaper solutions will be used vs drones. Stinger had some more design work done in the early 2000s, Notably airframe changes and the AIM9X IR/UV sensor. Range was said to be increased towards 7600meters. Recent propulsion/guidance advancements could probably increase that further. The Stinger will need to be re-designed anyway, many of the components are not being made anymore. I wonder if we'll see MANPADs with a booster section for extended range usage. (i.e. past 10km) for use on vehicles.
@kwonekstrom2138
@kwonekstrom2138 2 ай бұрын
The stryker based laser? Probably not…. However the Valkyrie laser (currently starting production) is capable of intercepting high subsonic cruise missiles… so within the power levels needed to take on high subsonic aircraft.
@stevenwinklepleck8395
@stevenwinklepleck8395 2 ай бұрын
No matter what future fighters look like, there will probably never be a sexier fighter than the F-22. Technology is inevitably going to advance, but no plane has ever made quite such a statement as the F-22 has. Such a strong statement, in fact, that no hostile force was ever bold enough to put it to the test. Even now, nearly 30 years after its introduction to the world, no recently developed aircraft (outside of the F-35) can claim to have surpassed the F-22 in air combat. Specific aspects, perhaps, but as a whole, no
@bryonslatten3147
@bryonslatten3147 2 ай бұрын
I'm guessing the NGAD aircraft will have some of the FB-22's capabilities.
@bakkerem1967
@bakkerem1967 2 ай бұрын
Interesting vid !
@ST5S5
@ST5S5 2 ай бұрын
I love the AC7 footage
@user-rp2nq1ev6x
@user-rp2nq1ev6x 2 ай бұрын
I don't understand that there is a need for a new stealth bomber. It does not seem necessary enough to field a whole new stealth bomber.
@kolideoskope
@kolideoskope 2 ай бұрын
I’m looking forward to seeing the navy f/a-xx planes, possibly even more than the usaf ngad
@AEFisch
@AEFisch 2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@impossiblescissors
@impossiblescissors 2 ай бұрын
As cool as navalized F-22 would have been, it would have been a true heavyweight fighter. The stock F-22 is significantly heavier than a Tomcat; now imagine adding a navalized structure and wing sweep mechanisms to the mix.
@phlogistanjones2722
@phlogistanjones2722 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video Alex. The FB-22 (?Strike Raptor?) surely does have an immense appeal. Thirty internal SDB.... Sixteen Hundred Miles Of Un-refueled Hate. That'll Do. Peaceful Skies.
@GauntletKI
@GauntletKI 2 ай бұрын
It's hard to find drawing of the designs that competed with the YF-23/22 or X-32/35. Lots of other designs war paid for..
@davidwilliams9302
@davidwilliams9302 2 ай бұрын
Plot twist!! LM's NGAD proposal would use so much of the F-22 designs that it's worth standing up a new assembly line. F-22+ would feature the airframe of legacy Raptor, but with F135 engines, newest gen RAM coating and F-35 avionics and weapon systems. This time with system encryption that allows export to partner nations.
@nigelmacbug6678
@nigelmacbug6678 2 ай бұрын
segway, l hope the UK tempest is a refined updated F/B-23 combined with F-35 block 4+guts
@matthewrosso8569
@matthewrosso8569 2 ай бұрын
FB-22 situation sounds a lot like the F-16XL story.
@CHill-td6lz
@CHill-td6lz 2 ай бұрын
Part of me thinks it would be cool if Northrop got the contract for NGAD; it would be some nice redemption. The end of the documentary they made for the YF-23 was heartbreaking to watch. Maybe they are already working with Boeing on the project.
@mefrfiter
@mefrfiter 2 ай бұрын
Enjoyed it
@tenchraven
@tenchraven 2 ай бұрын
We should have built new factories for the F35, rather than ending the F22. As impressed as I am with the Raider, if we had Strike Raptors in the sky today, that would be a better option that Raiders in five or ten years. A recon version would have been useful to, like the RF101s. And the F22B was always needed. Particularly if we put a backseat in to the Strike Raptors, we have common parts. But with the current bright idea of assigning drones to fighters, you need a back seater. They handle BVR weapons management, the radar and the drones- give them a name, Weapons/Radar/Drone Operator or Weirdo. I love the Eagle, but it's pushing 50. So is the Viper. You invest in retirement when your knees and back aren't screwed up.
@kwonekstrom2138
@kwonekstrom2138 2 ай бұрын
Without knowing what the raider is capable of…. I’m not so sure that F/B 22s or F22Bs from a decade ago would be better in 5-10 years. The low frequency early warning radar and DAS advancements alone make me doubt that. The raider appears capable of BVR with modern A2A systems… a little more speed and maneuverability won’t matter that much. NGAD will be in production around then so only a very small window of opportunity for F/B22 or F22B to provide any benefit.
@thinhnguyenduy4099
@thinhnguyenduy4099 2 ай бұрын
I think adding swing wing for the Raptor is a bad idea, making the wings and control surfaces bigger similar to the F-35C is a much better idea.
@TheOneWhoMightBe
@TheOneWhoMightBe 2 ай бұрын
I think Australia would have been very, _very_ interested in an FB-22 to replace the F-111's.
@RagsDCS
@RagsDCS 2 ай бұрын
At 13: 30 and on the x44 in the others that you've shown, I would bear the value of the YF-23 if you put them side by side. That pleases me very much that the YF-23 was not scrapped but still being fielded. Although they didn't get the contract, neither did the builder. Of the raptor that is. He got a big payoff due to the order then the cancellation. There's always a big payoff on such things to contact tractors who build a 50 acre indoor assembly line. The shape of the YF-23 the engine placement of the YF23 to the x44 is amazingly very similar. I seen the few that had the engines extended but the majority were internal for a less heat signature. NASA tiles, whatever. It pays off. Love the show Alex. Keep em coming. Thank you for all your hard work and recon in your tutorials. I value them highly very much. Take care 🕊️
@slip6699
@slip6699 2 ай бұрын
Something tells me the navy really regrets not getting a f22 version.
@solowingborders3239
@solowingborders3239 2 ай бұрын
The AI agents remind me of Ace 7 with Mihaly and the development of drone a.i.
@JohnTBlock
@JohnTBlock 2 ай бұрын
That's what happens when you only build 200 or so airframes...Dammit!
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