The word 'parry' in historical fencing

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The word 'parry' in historical fencing

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@HamsterPants522 10 жыл бұрын

scholagladiatoria This is one of the most helpful resources I've found on the internet for clearing up cloudy ideas and misinformation. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and opinions.

@scholagladiatoria 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks. You're welcome.

@JohnRaptor 10 жыл бұрын

I really like the sword you're holding in this one.

@MatheusRebelo 9 жыл бұрын

at least you guys have a word like that to describe a defensive action on a specific scenario as a sword fight. In portuguese we just have block and defend.

@Deedeedee137 8 жыл бұрын

I use the video game definition. If you move your weapon actively towards an I coming blow, that's a parry. If you put your weapon in front of the place your opponent is attempting to hit and wait for the incoming blow, that's a block.

@SpikeyNorman47 10 жыл бұрын

You're an awesome guy! Love your videos, you answer a lot of my questions I have in your videos and they're still fun to watch. Also, awesome sword collection!

@scholagladiatoria 10 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@nohero178 3 жыл бұрын

More than seven years later and not a single dislike. That is amazing.

@syystomu 10 жыл бұрын

Interesting stuff. :D I always love to know more about words. It's just cool to hear about the development of terms and their meanings. (I'm just such a linguist at heart.) Apparently parry originally comes from French parer "ward off". (Or possibly specifically from the imperative form "parez!") I wonder how it came to mean a specific move. Ward and guard are a funny word pair, btw, since ward comes to English straight from Proto-Germanic (through Old English, of course), while guard comes also from Proto-Germanic but through French (which is why it has the gu- in the beginning instead of w-; you can see this in a lot of French words of Germanic origin... and maybe in other Romance languages too, I think? I don't actually know the specific rule. For example "guerre" and "war"; they're not as obviously the same but they do have the same origin.)

@BlackJar72 10 жыл бұрын

My old foil teach definitely used "parry" for deflection moves -- of course, that was in the late 20th century, but sport fencing apparently has moved on from the narrowly defined circular movement as well.

@hazardouslaugh 9 жыл бұрын

My understanding of parry has always been a weapon vs weapon defensive action, your examples therefore all seemed to come under my understanding of the word parry. If you're defending with a shield I would consider that a block. If you say, grab your opponents wrist with your own hand that would be a counter, if you get out of the way that's a dodge or a slip... Just my understanding of the words, maybe I'm a little wrong

@Nurk0m0rath 9 жыл бұрын

Interesting historical usage of the word ... personally I use the video-game definition of parry, which is any defensive maneuver specifically with the main-hand weapon, whereas a block is the same type of movement with an off-hand weapon or shield (which, really, I regard as a type of defensive weapon, rather than armor as a lot of video games do). Your BPE in video games, or block/parry/evade, is one of the best defenses to build up where possible because it means taking little to no damage. I'm trying to work out a system where those become actually more significant than the armor you wear.

@fanglespangle110 9 жыл бұрын

I've always deemed a parry a defensive action that moves the opponents attack away from you. A static defensive action (as in to protect yourself by simply obstructing the attack) I've called a block. I do lack knowledge of terminology though so it could be that I'm describing something else entirely. That's always been my perspective anyway.

@CMLew 9 жыл бұрын

In unarmed striking arts I consider blocking to be putting something in the way of the attack a block and moving the attack off the line being a parry.

@PsiJohnics 9 жыл бұрын

What about shields? Can it also be called parrying with a shield?

@usel1500 10 жыл бұрын

i have a question the isn't very related to this video: i live in australia and i'm interested in learning more about HEMA. there are no HEMA groups near me as far as i've been able to tell, could you offer me some advice on where i should begin?

@scholagladiatoria 10 жыл бұрын

I would recommend contacting the Stoccata School of Defence and ask them if they know of anyone close to where you are. You could also ask the Melbourne Swordplay Guild.

@usel1500 10 жыл бұрын

i'm in newcastle so stoccata is the closer of the two. i hadn't thought to actually contact them so thanks for that, and thanks for the awesome videos.

@scholagladiatoria 10 жыл бұрын

usel1500 Happy to help, cheers.

@DanPFS 10 жыл бұрын

usel1500 I'm actually a student at Stoccata (there's a few of us that are subscribed to this channel, we quite like Matt's videos). As far as I'm aware there isn't really anything closer, unfortunately HEMA schools in Australia are few and far between. We have a school in Pymble and in Epping (the one I personally attend), obviously both of which are in Sydney. You can find the websites here; sydney.stoccata.org/ (Epping) www.stoccata.org/stoccata.nsf/Pages/Schools.FSP (Pymble) The Pymble school focuses mostly on German Longsword according to Liechtenauer, and Polish sabre according to Starzewski. At the Epping school we cycle through systems quite regularly (currently we're doing single sword according to Silver and Italian longsword according to Fiore), but other systems we do include Highland Broadsword (with and without targe), Bolognese sword and buckler, German sword and buckler (I.33), Italian Rapier (mostly Giganti), English quarterstaff, English longsword, Hutton sabre, and we may be doing some smallsword next year. Either school is going to be about a 2 hour train trip away from you, which could be worse (one of our instructors lives in the Blue Mountains and makes the hour and a half long drive every Monday).

@DanPFS 10 жыл бұрын

usel1500 I mean, there's also the school in Hobart, but I don't think that'll be terribly helpful to you...

@jeremyparry3305 7 жыл бұрын

my name is isobel ann parry\

@EPYHDA1 10 жыл бұрын

I am quite new to your videos, and have no expertise in historical fencing, so my questions are due to my ignorance; I noticed that when parrying you consistently incline your body. Is it traditional for historical fencing, or does it come from a feel of the weapon?

@scholagladiatoria 10 жыл бұрын

Hi, I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean exactly. In many of these videos I move from a standing and talking position to a fencing position, maybe that's it?

@EPYHDA1 10 жыл бұрын

Just seems that when you parry, the line of your back is not perpendicular to the ground, maybe for the reason you mentioned.

@hazardouslaugh 9 жыл бұрын

Igor Proleiko It's generally quite dangerous to try and fence a person while you keep an ordinary standing position, quite a good idea to bend the knees and in some cases to be on the balls of your feet, as this sort of thing makes it easier to strike, parry and dodge.

@Tomartyr 7 жыл бұрын

Wait is it still a parry if you use a shield or something else like a door (still attached via hinges)?

@MsTokies 10 жыл бұрын

i know this isnt your thing or maybe it is.. but you should talk about african and native american weapons. since the tomahawk tactics are making there way back into modern warfare

@MsTokies 10 жыл бұрын

***** i wasnt talking about modern warfare the game i was talking about a few of my friends who were using them in iraq when they were there.