The World's Most Overpriced And Overhyped Microbrand?

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Big shout out yet again to 'Gary From Birmingham'. The man has taste. I'm glad he didn;t pay $6000 for one of these though! I kinda get 'it' even after a short period of time with his 17.09. It looks like a Ming, has quirks I have not seen anywhere else, and clearly, rock solid residuals. Will I be setting an alarm for their next release? Doubt it, but I'll happily bnorrow another from Gary in the future. Cheers, Jody

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@Gary-li7ib Жыл бұрын

Thanks again for reviewing my watch Jody and interesting to see the comments already 😀 There's something about this (and other Ming designs) that really just appeal to me, I think it's the fact it's unique and has an almost futuristic "Tron" kinda vibe. From first wanting one to then actually buying it was over 15 months so I certainly wasn't buying it based on hype or scarcity. Overpriced? Probably, but I'm still very happy to own it.

@JustOneMoreWatch Жыл бұрын

Thank YOU Gary for loaning me yet another cracking watch mate!

@Chris-du3jc Жыл бұрын

I thought Tron the moment the lume shot was shown! Interesting watch. Wear it in health.

@edwood5535 Жыл бұрын

I've damaged a few expensive items on nights out with friends, glad it's not just me! I'm not going to wear my g shock when hitting the town in Edinburgh, think this should be a new criteria for an evening watch. Love the buhaus vibe with the touch of modern if this watch, getting a bit of Bulova Accutron from it.

@Grendal62 Жыл бұрын

if cost is ignored, it is a unique and attractive design, and thanks for sharing it with the channel, cool to see Jody's thoughts

@jamesblonde2271 Жыл бұрын

Cost my chuff, its undervalued, the Aquanaut of micros

@armandr1613 Жыл бұрын

I don’t know if this micro brand is overpriced and overhyped but what I do know is I’m up at 4am watching a new JOMW upload.

@JustOneMoreWatch Жыл бұрын

Ha! Thanks Armand.

@TheMidnightModder Жыл бұрын

Ha, same

@metaljew4456 Жыл бұрын

5:00am NJ Time and here we are 😂

@christophermaxton7317 Жыл бұрын

2am here in Seattle but, yeah, I too am up watching JOMW videos!

@mr.eswatchreviews Жыл бұрын

Okay as long as I'm not the only one LOL it's 5:00 now

@ThemysteriousMrP Жыл бұрын

Pass. Clearly with Ming you either get it or you don’t. I don’t. Each to their own but I think with a 3k (market price) budget you’ve got be able to find something a little more meaningful as a wristwatch surely? The case and lug design means any level of wear will surely mean a minimalist watch that should look clean instead has scratches and dinks - as is already the case. The Ali express crowd should be able to replicate this as a homage for less than $200. Nice review Mr M.

@G-rig6969 Жыл бұрын

Agree, over priced junk. Also saw the video pop up in the wee hours in the morning :P

@darrenfry4695 Жыл бұрын

I totally agree,two grand lol I'd rather get a Tudor, just add a couple of hundred to the two grand and hey presto you've got a serious watch ,any Tudor is got to be better than that fugly thing lol

@woonfaseng8737 Жыл бұрын

to me, an old bird watch ethusiast in Singapore, ming watches are indeed overhyped and overpriced.... the design is nothing really that spectacular or unique. probably they just managed to get the interests of high end watch circle collectors and personalities to speak for them in earlier years. selling their "uniqueness" of them being a small, ethnic chinese run , malaysia-singapore based brand.

@GS-vb3zn Жыл бұрын

Ming should make a HAQ watch. Considering they are all about the 2 handers, casing a super accurate high end quartz movement into one of their beautifully designed watches seems like a no brainer.

@kingquartz26 Жыл бұрын

Beat me to it.

@maxstuder6477 Жыл бұрын

Incredible intro - love it. I needed a smile. Thanks!!!

@frank327 Жыл бұрын

My favourite review you've done, really in-depth, and loved the subjective analysis of the details (which is the essence of Ming watches!).

@shogun884 Жыл бұрын

Once I see a watch being sold above retail by the scalpers i always move on, I think the business model is to restrict supply on purpose a' la rolex and create a sense of " please ming sell me one of your watches " . Paying 50% up front is also a definite no no for me , for that kind of cash the list of fine, obtainable timepieces is huge.

@bogrot69 Жыл бұрын

Judge Jody 🤣🤣 I love the look of these. I can see why they were so popular. I do remember the big kerfuffle with the movement. Fun to look at but I couldn't justify that price personally. I'll just continue to admire them from afar. Congrats Gary, it's a stunner!

@gregnatividad8345 Жыл бұрын

That intro is gold, Jody! Thanks for the review, was on the fence of getting one.

@duncanchiu3659 Жыл бұрын

I got the 17.09 burgundy and it looks so much better in person than in videos/photos. Also the independent hour has actually been super helpful for me...not for travelling but setting the time is so much faster...just set the minutes and you're pretty.much done. No alignment issues anymore either after ming delayed the release and fixed it

@calvenlim5795 Жыл бұрын

I agree. It looks better on wrist in person, than in photos / videos.

@EsbjornWristwatchReviews Жыл бұрын

Awesome Jody! I’ve been dying to get my hands on one too…awesome video

@bagpiper Жыл бұрын

A great review. Nice to see a watch a little out of the ordinary. The watch face reminds me of a neon clock I saw in a diner - MANY years ago. So the nostalgia factor works in the watch's favor. I rather like this but it is beyond what I can justify spending. If I *could* justify the outlay - yes, I would wear this in the rotation. Happily. Again Jody - well done!

@rbmwiv Жыл бұрын

I have one 2 hand and a Bambino with the small second. I absolutely love the bambino. It’s pretty elegant on a leather strap and kinda sporty on a mesh bracelet. As soon as the crystal gets scratched I’m changing the crystal to sapphire.

@Nefville Жыл бұрын

Not that I don't like the watch but I am NOT in the habit of giving out interest-free business loans. Ming has been asking customers to put down a 50% non-refundable deposit more than a year in advance of delivery of the watch. And the majority of them are far more expensive than this. If Ming is so mismanaged that they need some or all of the money so far in advance to make their watches, forget it. I don't trust the company and I _really_ don't like the business model.

@woonfaseng8737 Жыл бұрын

guess the brand is trying to target the "exclusive" high end watch collectors ....to me, an old bird watch ethusiast in Singapore, ming watches are indeed overhyped and overpriced.... the design is nothing really that spectacular or unique. probably they just managed to get the interests of high end watch circle collectors and personalities to speak for them in earlier years. selling their "uniqueness" of them being a small, ethnic chinese run , malaysia-singapore based brand.

@rodsalvador3608 Жыл бұрын

I love what Ming is doing. $2-3k is a LOT to pay and, after the initial hype, the 17.09's seem to be dropping in value. The problem for me is opportunity cost. For not much more, you can dive into really interesting vintage and neo-vintage stuff like Heuer Autavias, Sinn Navitimers and such. Not to mention a whole raft of Tudors, Nomos,' Cartiers and so forth. So this might be a catch and release; enjoy for awhile just to experience a Ming. Maybe that's the route I'll take.

@BradAlperin Жыл бұрын

I have one of these! I bought it direct from Ming as a milestone birthday gift to myself. I was captivated when I first saw the pictures online and decided to go for it. It’s easily the most expensive watch in my collection (by a pretty wide margin) but I just love it! I love that two-piece dial, and the sense of depth the indices on the underside of the sapphire give it. I love the way it wears and how it kind of feels classic (the size, the guilloche pattern on the dial) mixed with modern (it does have a bit of a Tron vibe when it glows). And I love, as you say Jody, how it won’t be mistaken for anything else…and if you’re a total watch nerd (and maybe only then) will you recognize it! I get it’s not for everyone (which might even be part of the appeal), but for me, it’s one of the prides of my collection. Thanks for yet another great video!

@mmcdonald8897 Жыл бұрын

I’ll stick to HMT classics if I want a similar look, style and size. Great colors, decent movement, and $30 or so - happy wrist and wallet. If I have reduced myself to wrist adornment to impress people, I have more problems than blowing $?,000 on a watch.

@Ian-dd5dm Жыл бұрын

Very informative video, not for the majority I spose, however it did look very good and comfortable in the wrist shots which surprised me. Also I think it woulld be a conversation starter that would get you a lot of comments when wearing from any company you may be in.

@michaelkaliski7651 Жыл бұрын

Some interesting design points, marking the inside of the crystal, large easily visible hands, minimalist styling, but also some huge design fails; the crown is not screw down, the case is too thick, only 100m water resistance and rather poor case finishing in that it is easily scratched. Worth perhaps £200 on a good day with the wind behind it.

@danielleclare2938 Жыл бұрын

Quality makes us love what we like... the Ming is quality without like.... to plain makes the MoonSwatch look like a good deal.

@jodybruce5097 Жыл бұрын

wow cool watch, another great video! you should do a video of the top 10 micro brands

@careykimmelstiel183 Жыл бұрын

I do like the dial and overall design- a real conversation starter for people like us. Being a value-oriented watch nerd who loves microbrands, I'm going to continue to wait for my turn to come up on the Helm list and hope San Martin watches Jody's videos.

@denisdaly1708 Жыл бұрын

Looks fantastic. I tried to get one, and failed. Out of my price range now. Glad u reviewed it.

@wafarris Жыл бұрын

In my case, this watch design grew on me throughout the video. However, I don´t think I would ever want one at even a fifth of that price. I have a watch without a seconds hand--an Alpina quartz GMT. For quite a while, the lack of a second hand bothered me but I could not quite figure why. Now, I think it is because I use the movement of a second hand to almost subconsciously reassure myself that the watch is running. Doesn´t bother me anymore.

@philspencelayh5464 Жыл бұрын

Perfect holiday watch, with that independent hour hand and with no minute markers you can more of less tell the time. Reminds me of a lot of vintage watches that just had a mark for the hours. I'd want more for that money but if you like it, why not?

@Newerasamearea 11 ай бұрын

You nailed your observation that it grows on you. I was initially underwhelmed upon buying as my "special" watch. But after putting on a nato and using as an everyday its brilliant. The longer you spend with it the more you appreciate the design. Theres been very little in horology aesthetic innovativation that honours the past while looking forward: you either get another heritage design or homage or something too brash. In time I suspect this will be viewed as a design milestone.

@statlerwaldorf7130 Жыл бұрын

Jody, you're a nutta! Bloody hilarious start to the video. Great review, love the watch and design, however not the shenanigans to get one. I am a Ming fan, just not of how he plays the sales game, oh well, one day maybe!

@ajaychoudhary9817 Жыл бұрын

love to see your honesty

@rayharrison6400 Жыл бұрын

I really like it. Love the dial, the lumed print under the crystal is awesome. I quite like the lug turn out, it's quirky. The GMT hour shift is excellent. Not Guilty Ma Ludd

@ThatGuy67672 Жыл бұрын

I really love the design of the dial, the lume is killer!

@111111111Tiger Жыл бұрын

Scarcity sells. People want what they can't get. (ie, limited editions) Goodbye Judge Judy, Hello Judge Jody

@woesteloepi. Жыл бұрын

Judge Jody, somewhere 9 months ago i bought a Technomarine Cruise Shark. And i must say for €109,- i paid for it it's real value for money, and no hype at all!

@epifaniomelendez5321 Жыл бұрын

Looks like a movado. Also, I don’t see the advantage of a mechanical without a sweeping seconds hand. Might as well have it be quartz and have the minutes stay on track for much longer. Would cut down costs a lot!

@captbumbler5356 Жыл бұрын

Hi Jody, nice review but I don't like it and the fact the sapphire is etched would worry me if it got broken.

@914Rocky Жыл бұрын

Great video. Very clever.

@itsalgud1459 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a pretty fair assessment of this piece. Personally I find extremely attractive, yet unusual, things I like in a watch. If I had it, I would pay this price for it but agree that that is unreasonable. Thanks for a good review Jamie.

@Robespierres_Ghost Жыл бұрын

I don't track things down to the second. I do enjoy the smooth sweep of a second hand across the dial. Part of what makes a mechanical watch special.

@giusepperocchi2979 Жыл бұрын

After owning many dozens of mechanical watches I don’t find it so special anymore, especially knowing it’s something achievable with movements worth next to nothing. I almost find refreshing, every now and again, the sense of precision coming from the ticking seconds hand on quartz watches, go figure. If we talk spring drive or very high beat movements it’s another story, that’s actually special.

@jeffreyromain7336 Жыл бұрын

An opinion divider for sure. While noting the entry in the 'Wrist watch annual', and after seeing other reviews I find that in this case that as far as I'm concerned, Dionne Warwick's heartfelt sentiments to 'walk on by' finds common ground with myself.

@williamsmith9561 Жыл бұрын

As you said "you either like them or you don't." I kind of like it, but I always take a step back when the crowd charge and would never pay over retail. My other problem is that my rule is, 'I don't buy watches with Roman numerals and I don't like watches with anything on the crystal.' As you say, 'on the limit price wise,' but not over priced, but so much more out there for the money. Great review as always.

@LeccareNewHandle Жыл бұрын

Yes, wearable if you need a tight cockring with a timer. Tiny for an adult wrist.

@kaarlows Жыл бұрын

How awesome would it be to have a Cronos or San Martin homage of these watches.

@JustOneMoreWatch Жыл бұрын

Be careful what you wish for mate! 😂

@jacc88888 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking exactly the same thing!

@chrispekel5709 Жыл бұрын

It won't look quite right. These are very simple so it's important the design is perfect

@whiteglovewatches9908 Жыл бұрын

@@chrispekel5709 agreed but then again I like Ming and this one doesn’t look right to me. Probably the lugs but I’m not exactly sure.

@BradAlperin Жыл бұрын

@AlexanderB. Жыл бұрын

I don't know what it is, because I normally I prefer watches with a running second. But I like it! It could be a wear for certain situations, when I can be more relaxed about the passing of time.

@TheDonCucaracho Жыл бұрын

Judge Jody lol I love their designs, very unique in every aspect. I think unless you're buying the big names in the industry, design is above everything else

@RJtoon1 Жыл бұрын

That’s why I love my Movado, a “relaxed” dial and I wanted “simple” after coming from a Fitbit Blaze that created “neuroticism.” ;)

@oliverwiantrmerholme112 Жыл бұрын

Jody Law and Order: 10/10 would watch! Wearing my beater work watch - a classic g-shock square. My change for a weekend watch a bit later tho! 🙏

@toomuchnoyz Жыл бұрын

love the intro!!!

@cedarcanoe Жыл бұрын

Great intro!

@johnepic2422 Жыл бұрын

Great intro🔥

@jodiwilson7299 Жыл бұрын

Yay, my weekend dose of JOMW 😁😁😁 Cuppa tea, relaxed, warm & snuggled under the duvet. Weekend complete 😇😇🙏🙏

@JustOneMoreWatch Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jodi! What's on your wrist today mate?

@jodiwilson7299 Жыл бұрын

@@JustOneMoreWatch Casio G-Shock origin re-release. Blue with gold aftermarket bullbars, buckle & strap keeper. What you rocking today?

@ElijsDima Жыл бұрын

Looks nice, and the Ming brand is pretty good nowadays; however... objectively on this watch I do not see anything that *couldn't* be replicated equally by e.g. san martin or suchlike. The caseback is dead simple; the case is pretty simply finished; the bezel is pure polished; the dial is just stamped and painted brass.. Replicating this with a basic sellita sw200 for well under 500 is completely doable. And honestly if I was in charge of Seagull or san martin, I'd absolutely push out a model of two with this case and approximate dial.

@chrispekel5709 Жыл бұрын

Sea gull are original design watches, you mean one of the companies that use their movement? If so I agree

@matthewcolling266 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Gary from Birmingham for loaning your Ming to judge Jody! I was born in Brum 👍. I enjoyed the video Jody but not for me I’m afraid. I am a little sceptical about micro brands and certainly wouldn’t spend that sort of money from one. Each to their own though. Cheers from Melbourne.

@genghiskhan7041 Жыл бұрын

Very cool looking dial.

@garysteven9600 Жыл бұрын

I like a 3 hander, a lovely white second hand would of made this watch for me. the price puts me off to be honest, but I'm from the north east and have a frugal mentality. but I would rather buy a second hand Omega with that king of money. regards keep up the good work.

@jamesblonde2271 Жыл бұрын

I think they're fantastic, the Micro Moser, they've had some PR snafus sure, the ladies model was a particularly egregious piece of fuggery but as for the function issues thats what garantees are for. Strong original, functional minimal design, theres very little like them except for Isotope who have a simalarly original, but cruicially, functional, fresh look.

@mattiass5969 Жыл бұрын

The ”ladies” model was Kurono Tokyo, not Ming.

@jamesblonde2271 Жыл бұрын

@@mattiass5969 You know I think you're right😳

@jamesblonde2271 Жыл бұрын

It was quite nice....

@Alex_Fung Жыл бұрын

I really love the design of most MIngs but I woud prefer a seconds hand. I'll most likely try to get one eventually. I got watches on my list ahead of this.

@azdbuk Жыл бұрын

For me, no go. Glad this review was done, because I have been confounded at the values of this watch, but understand some people love it, to each his own. I wouldn't own it if it were $100. Just not my tastes. Good review. Again.

@nukadog1969 Жыл бұрын

Your macro shots had me wearing and looking at my Vario Empire Tuxedo. I think the guilloche on my Vario is just as good as the Ming. Strangely, the rest of the dimensions match as well (38mm x 44mm LtL). The deeper into the hobby I go, the less I want a Ming. The style is definitely there, and the quality is great, from what I've heard/read. Honestly, the real reason I don't think I want one anymore is that I just don't think the style fits mine. It would just be a safe queen in my collection and that's not why I buy watches.

@MrKylefitzable Жыл бұрын

Facts

@bretthoffman9863 Жыл бұрын

Judge Jody. My favorite intro yet. I do think these look nice. Maybe for 1k or so.

@kolbe4373 Жыл бұрын

Great intro! 😂 How do you come up with these things, Jody?

@shawnz241 Жыл бұрын

I am ok with 2 hand watches; weekends are for Panerai... This piece is nice enough at MSRP to consider if the dimensions work for you (that strap isn't getting round my 8.5" wrist) but at market price, I am sure I can find something more appealing. Then again, I squarely fall into the camp of those who don't get the micro brand hype...

@watchbreaker1706 Жыл бұрын

Really handsome an unique watch! It is so difficult to make something so different in esthetics nowadays.

@guymcredmond6463 Жыл бұрын

I like their design, but just a bit too small for my 7.75 inch wrist. I have no issue with releases being 'first in best dressed'. I stay up late and buy my Zelos watches that way..... and.... it's all part of it, and kinda fun! Despite being cool and slick looking, all these Ming watches have started to look all very same-ish. Good luck to anyone who manages to pick one up. They do look cool. But, yeah, I prefer the variety and better value that Zelos offers. Even with a similar mad scramble to try and buy a piece online when they are released.

@timhorack5468 Жыл бұрын

Very nice piece

@Scaramouch. Жыл бұрын

Never understand Ming. Overpriced and overhyped fashion watch. I think there's a some fashion watches, especially from Italy with some interesting design, but it not cost 2k

@alexc.3727 Жыл бұрын

I've got a one-handed watch recently and I absolutely agree with your point about a second hand (I mean, lack thereof). The lack of a minute hand on mine makes it even more of a weekend watch that you can wear when you don't need (or don't want) to know what time it is precisely. Thanks for the video, Jody, cheers from Russia!

@whiteglovewatches9908 Жыл бұрын

I have a one hander as well and agree. You can easily tell the time within a few minutes at a glance seemingly easier than a two hander once you get used to it.

@alexc.3727 Жыл бұрын

@@whiteglovewatches9908 right, it takes some time to get used to, but not too long :) one-handers are underrated imo Do you have a Meistersinger? Just curious

@H0kram Жыл бұрын

I've got a one-handed Luch and it does slow down the feeling of time indeed.

@alexc.3727 Жыл бұрын

@@H0kram yay, a fellow Luch-owner here🙌

@whiteglovewatches9908 Жыл бұрын

@@alexc.3727 No it’s just a Red Star Solo hand wind. Nowhere near as nice as the MeisterSinger.

@watchesandcaps2566 Жыл бұрын

The 37.05 moon phase is gorgeous but if I were to get one I'd go for the diver on the bracelet.

@JulesBrunoJjBaggy Жыл бұрын

I don't think Jody knows what "the fifth" is but I appreciate the skit and excellent special effects.

@unwokeneuropean3590 Жыл бұрын

A beautiful watch, with a very good size. Is it perfect for me? Yes. Could I buy it for that price ? Not a chance.

@williambrackley604 Жыл бұрын

I was quite shocked to find quite a few of these for sale on ebay 😳

@barfymann362 Жыл бұрын

Hey Jody! I'm a fan of what Ming is doing, and I was just about ready to purchase one when the whole GMT debacle happened. I think the hype went to Ming and their reaction to a fault of their own, was just distasteful. They could've handled their mess better but only made it worse by banning customers who complained on Social Media about the issues with the watch. In my opinion, atleast, that's when I decided Ming wasn't for me. Instead, I did end up buying a Grand Seiko Mt. Iwate GMT, and love it very much.

@wilsonzhaows Жыл бұрын

I think i'll rather wait for aliexpress folks, they would definitely find a way to make a proper homage of this watch, or even upgrade it as in some cases with other mainstream brands.

@Shri_V Жыл бұрын

Can you please review a Zeppelin, specifically the LZ126 7614-5 variant? Love the looks of that one and its under $300.

@hitchhicker92 6 ай бұрын

Funny this week I turned down their LW.01 (Incredible record watch but 20k and no lume) but I got down for the GMT, I love the lugs and I am super excited to get it.

@LambentOrt Жыл бұрын

Thank you Jody for being the most enjoyable watch judge on KZfaq! Even when the watch is sus, your content never is! 👍

@LaniusExcubitor1337 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Gary!

@JustOneMoreWatch Жыл бұрын

Indeed! He's loaned me some crackers.

@PaoloZucchetti Жыл бұрын

EPIC INTRO!!!!

@kevjaffray Жыл бұрын

I like it, but only if I could get one for

@HAL-xy3om Жыл бұрын

Very interesting design, I think I like it!

@olafschermann1592 Жыл бұрын

I am happy i could grab an unworn 17.09 below MSRP. Now after the rolex bubble imploded they are affordable and available.

@garycollard1981 Жыл бұрын

Love the style but waaaaay outta my price range even at retail.

@deankirk8554 Жыл бұрын

I brought my first TUDOR BLACK BAY S&G in Birmingham yesterday 👍

@mercster Жыл бұрын

Haha... the lume shot is so strange. 😂 Not my kinda watch, but interesting. Thanks Jody!

@mercster Жыл бұрын

Hah, Bumfight ordering system.

@misterrottweiler Жыл бұрын

I'd agree with the lugs comment, but i could live with those, but for me it's too small, and I definitely couldn't live with a 2 hander. I also totally agree about doing non LE models. The watch industry seems to exist on LE models.

@gregcarterfineart Жыл бұрын

Well it is a watch. But this would have to be an acquired taste for me. I think it might be the starkness of the white lines, or maybe the inelegance(is that a word) of that starkness. It might be the kind of watch that strikes you differently in the flesh as well, but I'm not betting on that either. Outside of the script, love the dial design... but not the hands. Cuddos Ming for doing things different, but I'd slap a quartz GS or aqua terra on there quicker.

@LateCloser Жыл бұрын

I've always loved the design of their watches. Someday, I hope to own one.

@robertfeast7691 Жыл бұрын

I love the design overall, like you though, the turned out lugs are a bit of a turn off. The finish on the dial a lovely. Green would have been perfect. Love the case size. I have a 7" wrist and 36-38mm are just so comfortable. 2k seems a bit rich for what it is. I'd be interested at half the retail but for the money there's a lot of choice.

@sunflash101 Жыл бұрын

That intro had me dying lol. Ever considered moonshining as Judge Judy's doppelganger?

@bt3750 Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love the aesthetic but would like something closer to a 40mm and of course available to purchase.

@jimt7292 Жыл бұрын

Well said, Judge Judy!

@a_latyshev Жыл бұрын

At seems like the hands are aligned, that's a great sign

@greamespens1460 Жыл бұрын

Nice design, I will wait for the PD Flash ;)

@pauln0371 Жыл бұрын

Nice looking watch but 38mm is just way too small for my 7 1/2" wrist. 40mm is about as small as I can go and they even look small TBF

@bigboiganiga8356 Жыл бұрын

I never liked 2 hand watches, it made me felt like I am wearing women's watches. Secondly, an automatic 2 hander is stupid, idk if that thing is alive or not, do I need to handwind it yet or not.

@hectorbohorquez7901 Жыл бұрын

I think you’re stupid