No just things But rather "commercial products" Products without a soul

I like the game it was a fun play

@@katdoctorcosplaythe game definitely had more genuine intent.

@@KJ_1810 Much more love of the characters too

If I had a nickel for every time that happened. I'd have 2, but it weird it happened twice

Ahh, the CW crowd... The fine folks who ruined "Arrow" after the 2nd season by banging Berlanti and Co.over the head with a sledgehammer that had the word "OLICITY" sand blasted into it... Though I suppose the studio is just as much (if not more so) to blame as those brain-dead "shippers" are. Things just went downhill from there, as they double, triple, and QUADRUPLED down... ruining "The Flash", "Supergirl", and even "Legends of Tomorrow" as well... all three of which were actually fairly good during their early seasons. Oh well... what could have been...

bit confused do people actually hate smallville? I thought it was decent especially for early 2000s tv

​@@tommond4852 It game us a pretty awesome and decent Lex Lutor.

@@thisisnotachannel see they listened to the shippers for fucking olicity but everyone wanting supercorp got shafted. only reason why i watched them ruin lena's character for so long was to see if they'd give in but no one main lesbian couple in dc was all we were getting even if kara and lena had more romantic tension with each other than any one of their love interests.

CW needs to give the DCU a break they played it out over the last 10 years with the arrow verse. That show caught lightning in a bottle and is unlikely to be repeated the flash fell off half way through it's run.

This is literally a fan fic I’m glad I didn’t watch it

The killing joke adaptation bruce would

I fr threw up in my mouth a lil

Didn't batman call Robin his little soldier in the dark knight returns??

@@-dfh-866soldier can make you sound tougher

It’s kind of like the terrible TV show version of Baskin Robins 🍨 🍦

@@albertosaurschannel6946underrated as hell 😂😂😂

I'm so tempted to make a joke about a certain so called scooby doo show But I will just make myself angry

Teenage mutant ninjas ? I'd watch that.

So just teenage ninjas then?

Well yeah duh

​@@plantainsame2049by any change is it named after the nerd of the group

Misha is such a great actor and I believe he can be an amazing two face. Sucks this is the show he was put on

He also what kept supernatural as going ok as it did, with incredible range. ok supernatural has a great support cast, but he did add a loot to keep its as ok as it did. Sucks he wasnt in a bette show, or jokers daughter.

Worst two-face ever

Agreed....I think his voice for the character was closer to his Castiel voice more then Heath ledger but I can see what he means kinda too it a combination of the 2

​@@marocat4749Cass is the best character on Supernatural IMO.....he had so much character growth, development and plot twists. I admit I fell off at the end, I stopped watching when Sam and Dean's mom came back to live and was damn near younger then her kids they lost me. I need to go back and watch those last 2 seasons though I committed to like 14 or 14 before that I gotta finish it, fingers crossed they stick the landing and hopefully Cass has a good role in the ending. I've somehow managed to dodge spoilers to this day but I don't expect a good ending for the brothers, hunters don't have IRAs or retirement plans.

"Look our game is bad but it's not THAT bad"

Seriously. There was plenty to criticize "Gotham" for. But "Gotham Knights" makes it look like Breaking Bad.

Gotham has some good and bad moments, some that maybe they rushed it in too much and rather have saved if for a sequel series, but it was better then this tbh, but I do love to see a continuation of Gotham as Batman's Year One but as as series tbh, and build it up until he becomes Batman fully, so yeah

Also gotham is fun, and the villains are the real stars, thats why it works. That and getting a sense of campy fun with a soap opera with a lot batman villains. And gordon is solid enough, and harvey. And interesting character developement. i even liked barbra after she went villain. They got also joker right, all 2 of them.

One thing i like about gotham was making catwomen and batman love interest prior to their custom escaped. One bad thing was poor commish gordon love life. I just cant see him having batgirl with the way his love live went and came.

Will have loved a Batman tv series after Gotham 🦇🦇

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Yes. Also stuff that usually doesn’t have Batman in it doesn’t do good except Titans

No they really did it dirty

​@@MaXiUmImPuLsEyeah, but even titans has Bruce Wayne and Batman villains in it

@@lukelapenskie3694 oh I never watched it so idk

Spoilers of Batman Eternal if anyone cares Too many people slept on Batman Eternal, but it did things this show couldn’t even dream of. It was the perfect mix of obscure and big names working in tandem. Batman isn’t even the focus point, but instead the connecting piece. The entire bat family was brought to the foreground as they fought this cavalcade of Batman’s fears and enemies, all the while Snyder introduces three new characters that are still around today. It blended the horror, the magic, the early days of street crime, the super villians, the entire Batman mythos into a fun and engaging tale. It gets a fucking unironic Chefs Kiss! Hell, it even introduced my favorite new character, Blue Bird / Harper Row; who was everything this show wanted and couldn’t make. A conscious new age character who understood and represented new and progressive ideas without that being all her character was. She was just a good prog character. It also used the original version of “The Jokers Daughter” but she wore the man’s cut off face and was awesome! Plus strapping Batman to the bat signal and carving the symbol into his chest is Top Tier petty bitch villain shit and it’s PEAK BATMAN! Clue Master got his shit back in blood.

@@augustdice3914 I ended up with a copy of the collection despite not being up to speed on modern DC or the extended Bat Family and I quite enjoyed it. Minor spoilers but we've already been talking about it: I would have preferred they actually stuck with the Cluemaster reveal though because they pulled another "It was me the whole time" on top of him that made it lose its impact, especially since with my limited comics knowledge I didn't know who the guy was.

@@nathaniel201 no, you are not alone in this idea. That man was Lincoln March, a character who is Harvey Dent-Esq and a major player in Gotham Politics. In the court of the owls comic, near the end, it is revealed that Lincoln has been controlled by the Court from birth to believe he is the long lost brother of Bruce and was sent to an orphanage by Martha Wayne who maybe wanted to get him back, but then died al a Batman’s Origin. Lincoln kills the entire court of owls and is the secret big bad of that saga in a fun little twist. This all happened in Batman the comic by the same author/ artist duo of Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo and was released only a year or two before Batman Eternal. So if you were a fan and reading these linearly, this could have been a cool reveal for you….. which it was to many. However, Lincoln as a character didn’t have the same stat power that The Court of Owls had and was never really picked up again by the writers who would follow Snyder. And as such, the most common take about Batman Eternal is that it would have been cooler as a stand alone and that Lincoln didn’t really fit. But it wasn’t a stand alone story, it was one of the many comic lines that revolve around Batman and are connected to whatever current canon he is operating in. Scott is viewed by many as being one of the seminal writers of the character Batman, held in line with the likes of Frank Miller and Grant Morrison and Jeph Loeb. He is by some, myself included, considered to be the best at writing Batman as The Detective and giving Gotham that Horror vibe it deserves. However, some are justifiably critical of how much he is a “comic book writer”, which doesn’t mean he is sexist or anything, quite the opposite infact, but instead it means that he does love BIG AND OUTLANDISH twists and “comic book” reveals and mix-em-ups. To me that’s part of his charm, but to some it can be too much, especially given how good he is at grounding the characters before going Whole Hog Comics. If you wish to see more of his work, he did the New 52 Run of Batman, as well as both the major events Dark Nights Metal and Dark Knight Death Metal. He was even allowed to write a non-canonical stand alone graphic novel that is HIS Batman’s definitive ending called The Last Knight on Earth, and it’s…. Wild. (This writer Scott Snyder has no relation to Zach Snyder the director, BTW). Fuck… sorry for rambling

Smallville wasn't the good either but teenagers aren't known for liking things for quality. Smallville = Twilight for boys

@@suezcontours6653 Oh no, the quality’s got nothing to do with it. Everyone demanded to see Batman on Smallville, but the producers were never allowed. The theory goes that Fox still owns the Batman TV rights thanks to the Adam West show, which is why you have all these series set in Gotham City but without Batman. Even _Gotham,_ allegedly part of a deal WB and Fox made in order to secure the ‘66 series DVD rights, wasn’t allowed to use the actual Batman until literally the last shot.

I am pretty sure that it's basically confirmed because they literally just made Green Arrow their own version of Batman and gave him all of his rouge's gallery as well like Ra's Al Ghoul, Deathstroke, Deadshot, Fire Fly, Talia, Nyssa, etc. Except they kept flip flopping if Oliver should kill or not because I am guessing they were trying to emulate the fact that Batman did kill in the first few issues he showed up in the comics but eventually stopped. It's honestly wild to think that Batman can't have a live action show centered around him but we have gotten 3 Superman based shows (Smallville, Supergirl, Superman & Lois) where he shows up and their is no issues despite him arguably being more famous than Batman.

@@ricniks4619 It’s crazy how many things happen because of licensing deals rather than creative choice. Lawyers decided that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were both X-Men AND Avengers characters, so the twins’ movie rights were split. The MCU got to keep Wanda but their Pietro died after one film, while the FoX-Men’s Peter was in three movies but had an unnamed, noticeably younger sister. Oh, and the Venom, Morbius, Kraven, and Madam Web movies? They’re being made exclusively because if Sony doesn’t release a new live action film based on Spider-Man every few years, they’ll lose the rights. But when they went to Marvel Studios to reboot Spidey into the MCU, part of that deal was that Sony can’t actually use Spider-Man _himself_ in their movies. So they’re left making films of increasingly-obscure side-characters.

@@DrFranklynAnderson Oh believe me I know about licensing deals when it comes to Superhero movies far too well. Remember when FOX kept making Fantastic Four movies that were shit because they didn't intend for it to be good or comic accurate they just made them so Marvel wouldn't get the rights back?.

This one, the video game...do you already have a penny?

@@Tuaron yes I’m penny plunderer

Im sorry to be the bearer of bad news but i think you might be dead bud

This is lowkey peak comedy. Thank you both.

@@TuaronBatman IS in a video game. And not only in the very beginning, where he fought Ra’s There are also some flashbacks with him and than his resurrection and second death. And both times he actually dies like a hero

He was reveled to be Bruce's cloned son

I'd love something with cameron Monahan as Joker and Misha Collins as Dent.

@@JMel2012 Upvote for Monahan. He was fantastic on Gotham, great blend of Ledger's dangerous killer and Romero's silliness

They did him so dirty with that make up and he was doing so well with his acting.

true. He’s the greatest Batman villain who ever existed.

Only way to have saved the show honestly.

@@captainmichaelstudiosNot Kite-Man? NOT KITE-MAN!?

​@josebencomo2385 Kite-Man's not a villain per se, he's more of a LEGEND

@@josebencomo2385 Does Batman have a giant Kite in the Bat-Cave? No he has the giant penny

I loved Batwoman! I’m actually making a Manga based off if we got a season 4.

@@zdaladorsey1152🤢of course you enjoyed it. You’re probably a feminist, man hating, anime lover

​@@zdaladorsey1152Yup, profile pic checks out

@@zdaladorsey1152Lol, that show was complete trash 😂

@@drewr1843 sorry you feel that way

Exactly his fans are insane

"....the man again" Bruh, I am having flashbacks from Arkham Subreddit; just by seeing this word being used in Batman-related(abeit, very loosely) context.

I can explain what happened: Tyler Perry.

There need some better options than just what the show brought to the viewers.

@@elperrodelautumo7511 The game, the game is a far better option

@@varisrevolver4061yeah, if you like equally bad options

This could have been a neat Elseworlds story. Have the Court take out Batman very early in his career and see how Dick Grayson rises to become a hero without Bruce. Heck Dick has connections to the Court in the comics, explore that.

If you want that then these writers are gonna have to stop hating everything Batman stands for

Honestly, I think most of the cast (outside of the main guy) were fairly decent, the issue was the show just...didn't know who it wanted those characters to be or what it wanted to do with them. It seemed to be figuring it out toward the end, a second season might have even reached "decent" or even "good", though unlikely.

Imagine if that would've gotten out to the press while filiming, they could have had a real disaster for Gotham City on their hands.

Bats have some of the most rabies out of any animal.

Wat ​@@BlooCollaGal

31 exactly? That's an interesting number choice. We're sure it was 31 and not 30 or 32? XD

@@Indureignu don’t get it

what about the penguin show

@@squishking is that out yet?

@@JadedJester739 no but it’s being released in the fall 👍

and they constantly waste them like bro I LOVE THE COURT OF OWLS

Yeah, that was the one place here where I was like "Uhhhh, those aren't really C-listers, actually..."

True! But this shoe did them no justice

Nah, they’re trash.

ratio@@melvin4976

Because Gotham Knights isn't a Batman show

Because WB wants to save Batman for their movies. They want to keep him "special." I would love a Batman HBO TV show with long story arcs, but it seems like we're never going to get that. Superman they didn't care about as much, so he could show up in Supergirl and have his own series.

@@freddied8479Exactly. It's not exactly a secret. WB is keeping Batman for full-length films. I doubt it'll ever change, but if it does it'll be huge news and there will be no ambiguity about it.

@@mikeattard3543 Yeah unfortunately the only way we're getting a tv show is if the Batman movies are no longer making money at the box office.

@@mikeattard3543 okay but 10 years and 1 batman movie kekw

Yes. I'm not a fan of the court but to say they are knock offs is nonsense

Court of Owls is one of the best retcons in all of comics, probably only surpassed by Magneto as a Holocaust survivor.

@@JamesSerapio absolutely!! That's why I was so turned off by the shitty comparison

The Court of owls was just more new 52 garbage

@@mcNuggetMuncher agreed

1. Naomi was clearly an undercooked diversity project because white executives realized they neglected a billion dollar audience who shifted their focus to Tyler Perry because mainstream media refuses to air TV shows that cater to black audiences. All this diversity quota nonsense was a response to Comcast, AT&T, Viacom, CBS, Newscorp and Disney (6 companies own everything) losing Monopoly on entertainment. They don't actually care and giving black audiences the BARE MINIMUM.

2. If they want to introduce black characters to black audiences then hire respected directors for an Anthology series to get to know the comic properties. DC Edition S1 E1: Thunder&Lightning directed by Spike Lee S1 E2: VIXEN written by Michaela Coel (Chewing Gum, I May Destroy You) S1 E3 NAOMI written by Quinta Brunton (Abbott Elementary, A Black Lady Sketch Show) S1 E4 NUBIA written by Gina Prince Bythewood (The Woman King) S1 E5 BUMBLEBEE written by Issa Rae (Insecure) S1 E6 ROCKET written by Donald Glover (Atlanta) S1 E7 GREEN LANTERN -Jo Mullein version written by Jordan Peele (Get Out) S1 E8 NATASHA IRONS (animated episode) written by Ava Duvernay (When They See Us) S1 E9 ONYX directed by Hiro Murai (Atlanta) S1 E10 FATALITY written by Misha Green (Lovecraft Country)

Why can we just have black superheroes get their own TV show? What's the point of your idea? ​@@suezcontours6653

Y'all still whining about this show lol

@@LuffyBlack Naomi was disappointing because I am a fan of Ava Duvernay but she should stay away from Superhero genre. Keep to Award winning drama

More likely the rights were tied up with other movies/shows, so they could either A) make expies or "successors" like Batwoman kept trying to do, or B) make distant references to the characters that they couldn't get the rights to.

@@Crisis-Comics Arrow always had the problem that they had to write out characters when they were used in movies (Deathstroke and Waller/the Suicide Squad, most notably), so maybe they thought it was a good idea to use super obscure characters they'd never have to have that problem with?

​@@HighPingDrifter1fuck sake arrow itself was a batman show using green arrow characters instead of batman ones

I liked how The Batman handled it where Thomas Wayne did do something shady but was still ultimately a good person.

Absolutely this. This is what annoys me so much about the show. Stephanie Brown is NOT a rich girl stereotype (which she 100% is in this, I've not watched the whole thing, but there's clips on KZfaq of Harper calling Steph out for being so rich and so privileged and being a trust fund kid). Which is just bizarre, because Steph coming from a working class family was a really big point in the comics. The contrast between her and Tim Drake being wealthy, the fact that her Mum struggled to make ends meet, etc. Even as Batgirl in college, they intentionally drew her as only ever having a pad and paper while ever other kid had laptops, to highlight her lack of wealth. She's also not (usually) a genius. Steph's 'superpower' is her morality and her stubbornness, in my opinion. That she always tries really hard, whether or not she has the actual ingrained talent or not. She's one of my favourite characters because in terms of being a superhero, she earns everything she has. Without any natural gifts. Every other Bat character tends to be the 'best ever' at something, the best detective, the best gymnast, etc. But Steph is just an ordinary person who's quite good at gymnastics and morally knows what her father does is wrong because it's OBVIOUSLY wrong. She doesn't even need some epic origin story, she just saw him doing bad things and decided she should do something about it. This seemed to COMPLETELY miss the point. They seem to be aware that she occasionally hacks in the New 52 and her FATHER was meant to be a genius, and that's it.

@@livalentine9441wasn’t she killed by Black Mask - but that got retconned - because she tried to take on something massive and way beyond her?

I don't see the heath ledger like it's kinda like just a twisted voice to me

@@silvertongue-242_99me either thats kinda just how misha sounds lol and hes been acting like that way before heath ledger played the joker

@@m3rku91 yeah true in a sinister way

I didn't actually research it, but I am under the impression that they knew it wasn't getting renewed and had enough time to craft a finale that tied up loose ends. Either that or the writers were smart enough to craft a finale that tied up loose ends *and* left the door cracked for a season 2 if they got a surprise renewal.

Batman has a pretty large cast. Very large and very interesting. There's enough to have a show without him. It just needs to be done right

They've done it too many times and it's entirely pointless. They need to just do a Batman show with Batman.@@TTCreddy

Legends was good until like last couple seasons, heck couldn't finish the last season. I only have watched 1st season of Doom patrol, did like it, either heard that season 3 is abysmal bad though.

@@PureMaddnessOneI think the second time Legends gave a star a new character rather than write them out was about where it started to go bad. Certainly by the time Constantine was written out. As for Doom Patrol...I enjoyed most seasons, but the whole "characters don't exactly grow, keep cycling through the same arc" started to drive me up the wall, and the gimmick of Brendan Fraser being an asshole robot just didn't cut it anymore.

@@Tuaron To be fair he changes quite a bit with some hiccups along the way, like selling the team's stuff for an only fans girl but he tried

I mean you could, if you used a son of his having to deal with them , if you have a decent sense how to integrate that themes in the show. But only then. I agree heavy that you can get out there. Look at the brave and the bold, that embraces the not best known characters play off batman. The show is really fun and does get surprising emotional and sincere, but it also has out ther villains in spades. Ther are pretty good out ther batman villains to use, or funny ones. Like calender man deserves his place in the sun. or clock king, whom made arrow work with a bit adapting. Adapt calender man! Also arrow might be the best live action batman show? beside person of interest. which is just nolan using a bit batman characters as inspiration, but they have the batman voice, ha. great show, and arrow is, i liked it. the lost sister jumped the shark, so good it ended.

I'm fairly sure Hollywood writers could still use the original themes of power and wealth in 2023, except this time by using the Court of Owls as a heavy-handed strawman to attack white people.

They're also shrouded in mystery and most of the first part of the Court of Owls storyline is Batmans denial of their existence. Then there's Lincoln March who reveals himself to be Bruce Wayne's illegitimate brother. Whether or not he's telling the truth is never confirmed and we're left with little information of the Court itself

person of interest has a not-batman, its the nolans post batman series, and great, and kinda having a lot of batman influences , just its the "man in suit" while good scifi drama fun.

Eh. Make a Bludhaven or Hub City show then. A Nightwing or Question solo series might rule, doing Batman styled stories and noir without the need for Batman himself and his villains, and showcasing more of the DC universe.

What would you say to a Gotham Academy or Gotham by Midnight series?

Best blimp cameos are from an animated movie: Batman vs TMNT

Porque una ciudad con dirigibles en el siglo xxi no tendría sentido

I think the problem is the trend that stuff way easier gets greenlit if you can add in in whatever loose way to a franchise. And that the current holders want to use ip, and cooperations are risk avoidant mostly. I think a lot of them would be way better without the franchise connection being its own thing, or at least more forgivable, but that trend that probably a lot is redone as loose franchise series , it has to be an anoying trend to cooperate risk avoidence. Also can we get funny batman again, not just daaark and brooody, batman, or at least fun broody batman :(

The sad thing is I know exactly what series you are talking about and I also wish it didn’t exist.

@@morganyoung3557 lmao that was intentional

Well that show exists.

That's Fangface, or Jabberjaw, or Clue Club, or Funky Phantom, or Speed Buggy, or Captain Caveman, or- No, you know what, forget that. Captain Caveman is cooler than Scooby ever was. :P

thats because misha is great

I'd suggest that "Batman Beyond" was also a show made in the same vein as "Gotham."

@@AlecDraven oh yeah, 100%. Can’t ever forget.

Same. It's nice to see a video about this show with *actual* criticisms.

Woke is a reasonable way to describe something. But people overuse the term and basically just turned into a new slur

Social leftism is a poison to media. It’s enough of a criticism on its own

*Gotham* season 1 might have been tonally different from the following 4 seasons, but it was far from awful... Robin Lord Taylor was the break-out star as the Penguin, the "mostly-villainous-co-protagonist"... The mob war between Carmine Falcone and Sal Maroni (both wonderfully played by John Doman & my man David Zayas, who got to keep on their beef that start in the show *Oz* ) was a great way to start off the story, in the "chaos is a ladder" kinda way. The life at the GCPD precinct was never boring thanks to future Riddler, played by another break-out star in Cory Michael Smith Anthony Carrigan's Victor Zsasz also became a quick fan favorite, which gave his career a major boost. Young Bruce Wayne and youngish Alfred Pennyworth were really good since day one, and Selina Kyle hanging around Bruce was really cute. And the show got some extra hype online when "that" clip of Jérôme Valeska started making the rounds on youtube and starved Joker fans were overjoyed (that was in 2014, waaaay before the "Joker saturation" was a thing) and Cameron Monaghan got a whole bunch of storylines in the show thanks to that one performance in season 1 that got the DC fans pumped up. I remember when *Suicide Squad* came out in 2016, and Jared Leto's Joker got a pretty bad reception, the show *Gotham* was alive and well (ended in 2019) and many people called Jérôme/Jéremiah "the real live action Joker right now" What I mean is that even if *Gotham* had some issues => -I like Jim Gordon, but he's a bit too vanilla for a main character, even if it's not up to Turner's level of vanilla... -There were lots of people who didn't like Fish Mooney because of the actress, but since I didn't know who Jada was before I watched that show, I had no bias, but still found her a tad annoying, even if Butch Gilzean's pure devotion to her was cute; when that guy loves a gal, he'll do anything for her - the "villain of the week/police procedure" formula was thankfully ended quickly, in favor of longer storylines, but that does mean that some of the season 1 episodes are a bit skippable, while later on if you missed one episode, good luck figuring out who f**ked who over and over what. ... however I kinda liked that in season 5, (sometimes when they had extra time/budget to make a couple more episodes to pad out the short season), they had Jim and Harvey partner up like the good ol' days for a couple of creepy self-contained episodes like the one with Jane Cartwright (aka Jane Doe in her first live action incarnation), or the one with Mother and Orphan, which was kinda spooky... *TL;DR* Gotham was a good show with lots of solid episodes even in its first season, while Gotham Knights was a bad show with a couple good elements here and there, but nothing that made me crave a second season. The CW was so desperate to make money out of their DC deal that they gave friggin' *Batwoman* a second season even _after_ the main actress, Ruby Rose, called it quits. GM would have surely gotten one hadn't it been right when CW was cutting anything off that wasn't reality TV and crap like that... they cancelled the vastly superior *Stargirl* (compared to bottom of the barrel shows like Batwoman & Gotham Knights) after only 3 seasons, and they only relented on cancelling *Superman & Lois* season 4 after a pretty big internet outrage over the whole thing. Oh well. At least the Arrowverse will end in 2024 with a good finale season of *Superman & Lois* , right? They can't afford to F that one up like the last seasons of *The Flash* which only had one good episode in it (you guys know the one). rant over