The worst decision that Viserys I Targaryen ever made.

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Ай бұрын

Why marrying Alicent was Viserys I Targaryen worst decision?
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@TheDeadlyKnight
@TheDeadlyKnight Ай бұрын
The worst decision he made was not abdicating the throne when his health faltered. Simply doing that, would’ve peacefully transferred power to his unpopular chosen successor. His remaining yrs he could’ve served as a valuable advisor/mentor to the 1st Regnant Queen of the dynasty
@davisiotta489
@davisiotta489 Ай бұрын
he should have appointed Rhaenyra as his hand of the king, this would have both taken away hightower's influence and accustomed Wuesteros to Rhaenyra's rule while preparing her more efficiently as a ruler, keeping Otto as hand of the king with Alicent already being the queen was leaving too much power to the higetower
@davisiotta489
@davisiotta489 Ай бұрын
he should have appointed Daemon as commander of the gold cloaks once again
@TheDeadlyKnight
@TheDeadlyKnight Ай бұрын
@@davisiotta489 I don’t understand the staunch insistence on clinging to the throne until the last breath. Yes the Hand-of-the-King thing might’ve also worked, but she would’ve needed to be groomed for that too then
@kap2652
@kap2652 Ай бұрын
Rhaenyra wasn’t fit to rule giving up the throne wouldn’t stop much
@TheDeadlyKnight
@TheDeadlyKnight Ай бұрын
@@kap2652 it would’ve prevented any meaningful coup attempt, unless Queen Dowager Alicent was willing to murder her husband. To prevent him from carrying out his will. The Green faction would then all have been rounded up & executed as kingslayers, traitors & kinslayers. Also don’t forget Aegon the Older was ambivalent about pressing the claim for Green supremacy. Had Viserys placed Rhaenyra on the throne, what possibly would spur Aegon to later muster a rebellion against her?
@rebel1717
@rebel1717 Ай бұрын
Letting Otto Hightower return as Hand of the King…WHY?!
@sonofsanguinius4880
@sonofsanguinius4880 Ай бұрын
Westeros must be filled with incompetent people if he couldnt find a single one to be his hand.
@thatoneblackdude3333
@thatoneblackdude3333 Ай бұрын
Now that right there is something people should bring up more , visarys got rid of him because he knew Otto was plotting to put aegon on the throne so why would visarys bring him back? It doesn't make sense.
@rebel1717
@rebel1717 Ай бұрын
@@thatoneblackdude3333 NONE! A theory could have Alicent taking some liberties during Viserys’ especially sick moments, but even then, he should’ve regained moments of lucidity to say “Hey, wait a minute!”
@matthewriley7826
@matthewriley7826 26 күн бұрын
Alicent definitely had something to do with it. Probably used the argument “better the devil you know” because the rest of the members of the small council he either didn’t trust or didn’t have the experience for the job.
@keonasitcheron7803
@keonasitcheron7803 15 күн бұрын
I'm still waiting for an answer to this question...
@karlm641
@karlm641 Ай бұрын
One common theme with Viserys is he’s the one who drifts away from his Valyrian roots… he isolates the Velaryons, has rifts with Daemon who is a quintessential dragon lord type and he never really rode a dragon other than Balyrion in his last days. He represents the end of the dragons.
@mattjack3983
@mattjack3983 29 күн бұрын
Bingo! I've been saying this for awhile now! You are 100% correct.
@mattjack3983
@mattjack3983 29 күн бұрын
And one other important thing that Viserys didn't do was train to be formidable. Targaryens weren't just Kings, they were WARRIOR Kings. Aegon Targaryen was a CONQUEROR. The Iron Throne itself was a symbol of conquest by a warrior king dynasty. Viserys and Daemon's father Baelon was a skilled warrior and knight, who rode his dragon into battle. Even the Old King Jaehaerys, who was known to favor diplomacy before conflict, so much so that he was called "The Conciliator" was still a formidable warrior. He made it a point when Maegor (evil bastard, but also a warrior) died and he took the the throne to NOT be weak like his father, and had his Kingsguard train him every day for 8 hours while him and Alyssane had sequestered themselves on Dragonstone. And he continued his training for several years even after officially taking rule over from his mother when he came of age. He understood the power of diplomacy, and forgiveness, and seeking out peaceful resolution, but he also understood that he needed to be a warrior if he was going to be respected and keep the throne. He even fought one of his own Kingsguard knights in a trial by combat when the knight broke his vows and had an affair with one of Jaehaerys daughters. And he was 49 or 50 years old at that time. And he won. Viserys was a good enough guy, but he was a very weak king and ruler, and he did not do really any of the things he should have been doing to demonstrate that he was actually worthy of his position as a ruling Targaryen.
@gaghhuh2943
@gaghhuh2943 Ай бұрын
When the worst mistake you have ever done is not having incestuous relationships :|
@AlphagonOmegarius
@AlphagonOmegarius Ай бұрын
Is to keep the nukes in the family.
@nicksmithnutmilk
@nicksmithnutmilk Ай бұрын
​@@AlphagonOmegariusbut Viserys' kids are part of the Targaryen dynasty/family no matter what since he's their father . They had every right to claim their dragons
@eurika297
@eurika297 Ай бұрын
He took the bait of Otto's twisted plan to have his TEENAGE daughter seduce the king 😏
@yunabroadway3033
@yunabroadway3033 Ай бұрын
@@nicksmithnutmilkHe allowed the Hightower to have nukes. It was his greatest mistake, they should have keep dragon between the Targaryen, Verlaryon and the Arryn. Those house are basically sub Targaryen house, and I think they can keep their gene pool sufficiently large to get away with too much incest. Only son should marry outside of those three house, bc their children will be Targaryen-Velaryon-Arryn. And the minute they enter those houses, they should cut ties with their former family and house. Viserys’s children with Alicient are too Hightower, they were green, they always stands by her side and they are clearly closer to their mother house
@nicksmithnutmilk
@nicksmithnutmilk Ай бұрын
@@yunabroadway3033 what Hightowers ? Doesn't matter who their mom is , they're Targaryens by name and by blood . As I said before they had every right to claim their dragons
@Ashbrash1998
@Ashbrash1998 Ай бұрын
His worst decision wasn't setting Rhae up for her to take the throne. He should have never let Otto back as hand, especially because Viserys himself knew he wanted Aegon and relentlessly pushed for it. He should have just named Rhaenyra as hand (especially when he was getting very sick), nake sure she had more supporters on the council and maybe make Alicent, kids and Lord Hightower publically swear on the seven pointed star to serve Rhae. Or something to that affect.
@matthewriley7826
@matthewriley7826 26 күн бұрын
Yeah Alicent definitely manipulated him to call him back. Probably used the argument “better the devil you know”.
@emdeejay7432
@emdeejay7432 12 күн бұрын
Like that would have stopped them.
@tadeasstavek2927
@tadeasstavek2927 Ай бұрын
I honestly think that Targaryens rulled so long because the power stayed within the family
@jedimasters1462
@jedimasters1462 12 күн бұрын
Compared to the kings of Westeros before the conquest, the Targaryens really didn't rule that long. Their rule didn't even last 300 years while the rest ruled for literally thousands of years.
@EmiliusReturns
@EmiliusReturns Ай бұрын
He should have refused to remarry. He didn’t really want to, he was mourning his wife. He’s the king, if he refuses they can’t make him. Then he should have allowed Daemon and Rhaenyra to marry, which they both wanted, and named them his joint heirs to solve the question of whether his daughter, as his only child, or his brother, as his closest male relative, would succeed him. Join the two claims and you avoid another council like Jaehaerys had to have.
@mordecaiissad8529
@mordecaiissad8529 29 күн бұрын
Absolutely agree on everything, ive been saying this since forever. Him not marrying and simply marrying Daemon and Rhaenyra while naming Rhaenyra heir would've solved everything. However, marrying Aliscent was his choice. He wanted to, he grew a liking to her when she spent time with him. It was one of the few most selfish things he did.
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin 6 күн бұрын
That had been dumb. He had to make more Targaryens claimants
@smittypwnz
@smittypwnz Ай бұрын
His worst decision was consistent pregnancies on his wife that was to young which would eventually kill her. Had they been married later not so young (stupid), Viserys and Aemma would have atleast two children and she might be alive. I wonder why Jahaerys and Alyssane married them so young 🤔. Just have them continue their betrothal for a few years Aemma was 11 when they married Viserys 16… betrothal I understand but atleast wait until she reaches her majority at 16. You would think they would have learned with the death of her mother Daella.
@smittypwnz
@smittypwnz Ай бұрын
Not to mention Rhaenyra is largely to blame also. She left Kings Landing, did not go on royal progresses as heir reaffirming oaths and her position as heir, not being on Viserys small council or even Hand of the King, and letting the Hightowers take control of court while she knew her fathers health was declining. She didn’t do herself any favors I don’t blame Viserys much to take a wife that he knew, was beautiful and comforted him not to mention was also of age instead of a 12 year old. He had to produce more heirs, at the time only Rhaenys, Viserys, Daemon and Rhaenyra were the only Targaryens alive. Viserys main issue was not caring for his new children as much as Rhaenyra lol. He tried with Daeron and Jacaerys but it was to little to late
@Peterminator-nj3od
@Peterminator-nj3od Ай бұрын
@@smittypwnzWell Rhaenyra was in her material girl phase
@BryndenBloodraven
@BryndenBloodraven Ай бұрын
Well aren't you going to mention anything about rhaenyra's strong boys? Or those were not mistakes.
@Albietross1
@Albietross1 Ай бұрын
@@BryndenBloodravenJace was legit the best heir in the dance. He secures the loyalty of both the north and the vale
@Ashbrash1998
@Ashbrash1998 Ай бұрын
My theory was that Jahaerys was pushing for Viserys to marry and have kids with someone from a major house to stand against Rhaenys marrying Corlys. Because unlike the Vale, Driftmark is an island and its main thing is ships. The Vale has many bannermen, lands and castles. Alysanne for sure had a hand in it and made a list of several brides but Jahaerys had to approve it.
@Micaerys
@Micaerys Ай бұрын
Although I get the general intention behind the video, marrying a non-Valyrian woman into the Targaryen family doesn't give her family access to dragons. It is when you marry a Targaryen princess to a different house that you risk it. Even then, the risk is mitigated if the princess herself isn't a Dragonrider, since that limits the access of her new house to dragon eggs
@yunabroadway3033
@yunabroadway3033 Ай бұрын
It absolutely does, normally whdb there isn’t a conflict between the non valerian wife and the valarian husband it isn’t an issue. But in the case of the Hightower, since they were a conflict between the two side of the family. Marrying Alicient and giving her children, gave the Hightower access to 3 dragons rider/dragons. That’s the only reason they even dared to steal the thrones. Don’t quote me on that but the only people who ever dared to contest house Targaryen during their dragon era were the people who also had dragons
@Micaerys
@Micaerys Ай бұрын
@@yunabroadway3033 Yeah, I get what you're saying, but even in that context, house Hightower isn't getting dragons. They are getting influence and ties with three Targaryen Dragonriders. The Velaryons didn't have Dragonriders of their own until Rhaenys and her kids, before that they didn't count the children of Alyssa as riders for House Velaryon. With marriage policies it all depends on how well connected or alienated the consort feels with her birth family and her new family
@kozaru2006
@kozaru2006 18 күн бұрын
Weakest king in Westeros
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin 6 күн бұрын
Yeah, making Rhaenyra heir was the worst decision any king could make.
@aprilmae274
@aprilmae274 Ай бұрын
His mistake was not talking to his wife, Allicent. Viserys's mistake was forgetting that he had married her...not her father.
@jedimasters1462
@jedimasters1462 12 күн бұрын
Oh, in the book she was far from the innocent girl in the show. She was almost just as bad as her father.
@aprilmae274
@aprilmae274 12 күн бұрын
@@jedimasters1462 It's weird, right? I have read it bunches, but I never listened to it before. This is my first time listening and it is changing everything. In spoken word-it is said that the tail has no meat and tail gives way to the lie. It sounds also like tale/tell. These are lie-and it lowkey sounds like a coin flip when I hear the story playing out. Heads or Tails. Everything that has tale/tell in it is likely to be false; A True Telling {tell/tail} is likely not true in this way of storytelling. The spoken word is giving us, as readers, a guide or some kind of key code to follow to get to the real story. It is a Word Game here-I hope I am saying this right. Written word is one side of the story and spoken word is the other side of story. Like a coin.
@katiemartin6991
@katiemartin6991 Ай бұрын
By that logic, Viserys also shouldn't have married Aemma because she was an Arryn and Rhaenyra claiming Syrax is giving a "non-Valyrian" a dragon.
@markusw9286
@markusw9286 Ай бұрын
Doesn’t make sense, Aemmas mother was a targaryen.
@queenxx1690
@queenxx1690 Ай бұрын
@@markusw9286 but father was Arryn and she was raised by him because he mother died when she was born
@markusw9286
@markusw9286 Ай бұрын
@@queenxx1690 That is fair, but i think the original poster wanted to mean was that highgarden didn't have anyone with valyrian blood, but House Arryn did.
@Ashbrash1998
@Ashbrash1998 Ай бұрын
I think the point was that Aemma was family to the Arryns and the Targs, while Alicent was married into it. Rhaenys for example was married to the Velaryons but she and her children were still related to Viserys and co. They had more reluctance to kill their kin than say Otto or Alicent who hated Rhae and Damon.
@queenxx1690
@queenxx1690 Ай бұрын
@@markusw9286 Highgarden ?
@BryndenBloodraven
@BryndenBloodraven Ай бұрын
What do you expect? He is the real villain of the dance of the dragon.
@kingnawaffcv7513
@kingnawaffcv7513 Ай бұрын
finally someone with same mindset he made so many mistakes
@BryndenBloodraven
@BryndenBloodraven Ай бұрын
@kingnawaffcv7513 or those are not mistakes but according to his plans.
@kingnawaffcv7513
@kingnawaffcv7513 Ай бұрын
@@BryndenBloodraven his 2 big mistakes are marring a Hightower and naming a daughter over a brother and over his sons when he had sons
@charmedlilsis1
@charmedlilsis1 Ай бұрын
Thank you!!! He literally caused all of it by being selfish. He could have named Daemon is heir and married him to Rhaenyra and called it a flipping day. But no he was so determined to have a son and then didnt even raise the boy.
@BryndenBloodraven
@BryndenBloodraven Ай бұрын
@charmedlilsis1 He killed his first wife for a son. It's like killing the golden goose. And didn't raise any of his children right. Letting rhaenyra do her things and ignoring alicent's children.
@tag4995
@tag4995 17 күн бұрын
the mistake was that he was king. should be rhaenys
@Kevynmorgan
@Kevynmorgan Ай бұрын
Naming Rhaenyra was not a mistake. Keeping Otto was the biggest mistake no hightowers should have been in that castle 🏰
@ifeeldead463
@ifeeldead463 25 күн бұрын
Honestly, marrying Allicent isnt too bad. His biggest mistake was not doing anything to quell the succession crisis. He couldve: 1) Had Rhaenyra demoted to Hand, which would still give her a high position in court and would have the kingdom be more used to women in high political positions 2) Have Rhaenyra marry Aegon. Sure they would both suck as rulers but an incompetent ruling couple is better than a civil war 3) Have Rhaenyra be more politically active, which would secure her more allies and would make it harder for the Greens to steal her right 4) kept Harwin and Rhaenyra apart after Jace was born. At the very least, she shouldve boinked a guy that looked similar to Laenor
@tag4995
@tag4995 17 күн бұрын
Yes, he didn't give any political support. generally companion ladies from each part of the kingdom is a method, but there was only Alicent. He'd better marry her to Daimon. As a warrior he was always highly respected, reducing his power to a consort would be ideal.
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin 6 күн бұрын
Your options❌️ Never making Rhaenyra heir in the first place✅️
@tag4995
@tag4995 5 күн бұрын
@@The-Allfather-Odin the king can make whoever he wants as his heir. It was the previous king's mistake to let sheep think they had an opinion and choose a weak king.
@TheTheWalker
@TheTheWalker 29 күн бұрын
He trusted a Family that only two Kings before himself let countless rebellions against Targaryen rule. I didn't understand how in under 80 years it would be forgotten, that the Hightowers let the faith and their own rebellions against the dragons.
@michaelbuick6995
@michaelbuick6995 29 күн бұрын
That's actually really clever of George to make it 80, because that's the cycle of real world civilisations. 80 years is long enough for some civilisation shaking event, like a really bloody war, to pass from living memory. It becomes abstract and fades into history. Without people around with bitter first-hand experience, society becomes doomed to repeat the same mistakes.
@courtneyminnis6222
@courtneyminnis6222 29 күн бұрын
Letting Otto Hightower stay hand of the king after the previous king died was the worst idea.
@CG-yb6zj
@CG-yb6zj 28 күн бұрын
His first mistake was even accepting being the "Chosen" King, which later undermined his argument to right of succession for Rhaenyra vs. her siblings. This was followed by KILLING HIS WIFE for a CHANCE of male he had to have, was already dead before being pulled from his mother's mutilated corpse. THEN marrying Alicent and tainting the bloodline. Add to that, not abdicating the throne when he became sick and crippled. Finally, not ensuring there was no question who was to take the thrown after his demise. The council chose him as he was male while Reanys had actual Right, and he not only started the demise of his own house and bloodline forever afterward, but also rocked the bed of kingdom with his stupidity.
@matthewriley7826
@matthewriley7826 26 күн бұрын
Though to be fair he was under a lot of pressure to accept. If he refused it’s very possible the other claimants would’ve bickered back and forth, there were more than just Rhaenys and him. And when Jaeherys died it could’ve erupted into civil war.
@CG-yb6zj
@CG-yb6zj 26 күн бұрын
@matthewriley7826 but even that could've had less of a bloody fallout and casualties of dragons than what would later come. Better a battle kept in the keep than the full born war that truly came between true bloods and fakes with BOTH having Dragons they're not afraid to use vs. One side only and knowing better than to use creatures their descendents (Alicent's) refused to understand they couldn't control on whim.
@dunique521
@dunique521 15 күн бұрын
Baby wasn’t dead but I see what your saying🤷🏿‍♂️
@xsefehellobruh5465
@xsefehellobruh5465 Ай бұрын
His worst decisions was him not changing his heir to Aegon
@mattjack3983
@mattjack3983 29 күн бұрын
It was definitely a mistake. But idk if you can say its was the worst. There were so many. It was one of many mistakes, and many poor decisions, and many things he should have done but didn't. I don't think that any one thing can be pointed to as the worst, or the thing that would have made the difference. Aegon's claim to the throne, and Viserys not naming him heir was the ultimate reason shit hit the fan and fell apart, but it actually was 30+ years of bad decisions and mistakes, and failures to act on certain things, that caused the civil war and brought things to that point.
@queeniryb8449
@queeniryb8449 28 күн бұрын
That's not a mistake, his mistake was not marrying Aegon and Rhaenyra to each other. Or leaving Daemon as the heir and marrying him to Rhaenyra.
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin 6 күн бұрын
Fax
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin 6 күн бұрын
​@@queeniryb8449Rhaenyra should have been disinherited and exiled
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin 6 күн бұрын
​@@mattjack3983everything bad in the dance was because of Rhaenyra
@matthewhart9610
@matthewhart9610 Ай бұрын
Yeah, thats ridiculous. Viserys' kids with Alicent are Targaryens. I don't see anyone claiming that Jaehaerys and Alysanne 'aren't Targaryens' just because their mother wasn't, or that Daeron II's kids aren't Targaryens. The real threat of giving other houses dragons is like Rhaenys marrying Corlys, giving the Velaryons dragon riders. Or if Rhaenyra married Jason Lannister or something. Other houses marrying into the Targaryen family doesn't then somehow give them dragons. Rhaenyra's succession was always going to be contested, regardless who Viserys remarried to. If it had been Laena, then Laena's son would be set up against her. Trying to make their grandson the King is what absolutely any Lord would've done in that situation. It was inevitably going to end in war so long as Rhaenyra was Viserys' preferred heir.
@Ashbrash1998
@Ashbrash1998 Ай бұрын
The Queen still identifies with her house just like Cersei Lannister isn't called Cersei Baratheon.
@topais
@topais Ай бұрын
But her children are called Baratheos like Rhanerys children were Velaryons.​@@Ashbrash1998
@yunabroadway3033
@yunabroadway3033 Ай бұрын
Viserys’s kids with Alicient are not JUST Targaryen. Rhaenyras has always been just Targaryen, she wears her black and red colors proudly, she is almost never associated to House Arryn. But Alicient’s kids ? They are also very clearly Hightower, they have no loyalty to their father side of the family, they wear green, they are loyal to the house Hightower. They rightfully claimed their Targaryen blood, but they are supporting the Hightower ambition. Aegon didn’t even want to be king in the first place, the green set him up for it despite all his complaints and resistance
@mordecaiissad8529
@mordecaiissad8529 29 күн бұрын
Honestly as messed up as Daemon is, Viserys should've just engaged Daemon and rhaenyra, married them after, named Rhaenyra as heir and simply not remarried and let them make the future bloodline. It would remove other contestants for the throne and made the two current contestants both the rulers. Him marrying alicent was the most selfish thing he ever done.
@giovana4121
@giovana4121 28 күн бұрын
​@@mordecaiissad8529it sounds like a good solution but it doesn't solve the problem.. Even if Rhaenyra and Daemon were super like-minded, they would disagree eventually, as it happened in canon. When they can't rule togheter, than they would have to question themselves again: who is the actual ruler, and who is the consort? How to solve this? Both are too proud to submit, and both have solid claims. Would there be a new Great Council? Would there be a different Dance?
@bullymaguire1697
@bullymaguire1697 Ай бұрын
And why couldn't he resign as being king before got into his deathbead unless I'm missing something that resigning as king is impossible and who would oppose him he has dragons and once rhaenyra becomes queen she would be unstoppable
@BryndenBloodraven
@BryndenBloodraven Ай бұрын
According to westerosy tradition a king cannot resign it is a lifetime sentence only death will end his duty. If he is unable to rule than his council,closest advisor or heir will took on that role.
@mix-jk3ys
@mix-jk3ys Ай бұрын
@@BryndenBloodravenactually you can also go to the wall or join the kings guard this is what Jorah Mormont father did he went to the wall and let his son became lord then his son sold criminals and he escaped so all that effort went for nothing
@smittypwnz
@smittypwnz Ай бұрын
@@BryndenBloodraven That's exactly the reason he should have named Rhaenyra hand and started to delegate her more responsibilities as his health worsened. Instead she left court for Dragonstone annoyed about the talk of her sons instead of staying and cementing her place as heir.
@BryndenBloodraven
@BryndenBloodraven Ай бұрын
@@mix-jk3ys have you read any king joining the nightswatch or kingsguard ?
@kap2652
@kap2652 Ай бұрын
Resigning wouldn’t help anything
@Dino13
@Dino13 28 күн бұрын
Considering Rhaenyra as his Hand after Lord Strong died so she could be prepared to rule the kingdom, but deciding against it because he feared that bringing her to court would mean Alicent and Rhanerya would fight too much, so he named Otto again. Common Viserys L
@The.red.queen112
@The.red.queen112 Ай бұрын
The worst decision viserys ever made was letting alicent control him therefore letting otto control him. Ultimately leading to the demise of his family.
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin 6 күн бұрын
No
@thehermit8723
@thehermit8723 Ай бұрын
Underestimating Aemon....the dude was a walking disaster. He knew exactly that his brother whould be catastrophic in a position to rule .
@sarthaksharma5772
@sarthaksharma5772 Ай бұрын
It's probably not killing Daemon
@ComaLies225
@ComaLies225 Ай бұрын
Whoever did the art at 0:30 is super talented. Lovely rendition of the valerians/targaryans (?????)
@foxwhite3852
@foxwhite3852 Ай бұрын
Pls, tel me if find source
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin 6 күн бұрын
The worst decision Viserys made was making Rhaenyra his heir. Everything bad in the dance happened because of that one decision. Also, Rhaenyra also had Arryn blood and is therefore also not of pure velaryan decant. What also didn't help is that she had a basterd son as her heir, which is much worse than having Aegon as king.
@igorlopes7589
@igorlopes7589 27 күн бұрын
But the dragonriding abilities would remain solely within House Targaryen, since Alicent's children were in fact Targs.
@danielhughes5932
@danielhughes5932 21 күн бұрын
He married Aemma Arryn and basically no one from the vale even cared
@nicoleboccelli7581
@nicoleboccelli7581 Ай бұрын
Aegon, Aemond, Helaena, and Daeron were not “Non-Valyrian dragon riders”. They were silver-haired, purple-eyed Targaryens.
@zeynepkolcu9749
@zeynepkolcu9749 Ай бұрын
Also Hightowers have Valyrian blood.
@giovana4121
@giovana4121 28 күн бұрын
It's hilarious that people call them non-Valyrian and than have no problem with Rhaenyra's dark-haired and dark-eyed children...
@zeynepkolcu9749
@zeynepkolcu9749 28 күн бұрын
@@giovana4121 And Harwin doesnt have any Valyrian while Hightowers have Valyrian blood 😂 Like strong boys are the half-blood
@hunith3469
@hunith3469 Ай бұрын
He should have married her to aegon, in the books the age difference between was only around 8-10 years instead of the 15 ish we see in the show
@jeremiahmorris60
@jeremiahmorris60 Ай бұрын
Rhaenyra was definitely the better option for heir Aegon II was a problem child
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin 6 күн бұрын
Aegon Targaryen is the true heir to the iron throne. He was a greater ruler than Rhaenyra could ever dream to be.
@Umbra16
@Umbra16 Ай бұрын
Who would he have married though? Laena was too young and he wasn’t going to marry his own daughter. I’m team black mostly (read the books, both teams kind of suck, lol) but there was no one else with Valyrian blood available. Been a while since I have read Fire & Blood and might be mixing the book and the show up together, but I don’t remember another possible contender.
@lunahyacinth6335
@lunahyacinth6335 27 күн бұрын
To be fair the only available “woman” with Targaryen blood was Laena who was younger than Rhaenyra at the time. Rhaenys was half Targaryen and half Baratheon, meaning Laena was only a quarter Targaryen but had Valyrian blood as a Velaryon
@Stukupgorgeous1
@Stukupgorgeous1 28 күн бұрын
He shouldve waited the couple of years for the niece. I typed that out.
@jonny-b4954
@jonny-b4954 2 күн бұрын
He wanted that 16 year old... you know.
@myemperor4716
@myemperor4716 Ай бұрын
But....his 1st wife (Rheanyra's mother) was an Arryn. His mistake was marrying a Hightower or not putting down Otto.
@Piotr12396
@Piotr12396 Ай бұрын
She was also his cousin
@janicejones2229
@janicejones2229 18 сағат бұрын
Cause he was sleeping he worry about what the UN true bloodline to take a seat at the table.
@igorlopes7589
@igorlopes7589 27 күн бұрын
The worst decision he made was marrying again without being disposed to acknowledge a future son as Heir. He literally scammed Alicent and would have scammed Laena or any other woman he married. Why? Because until he refused to declare Aegon as Heir *NO ONE* knew he was going to put rhaenyra over a son, they thought he was following the andal custom of son>daughter>uncle, not the rhoynish custom of gender blind succession. Whoever he married would have been scammed and would want her son on the Throne, period. And if he told before the wedding that he was following rhoynish succesion then not a single woman would want to marry him. No Lady would subject herself to the humiliation of birthing the first male sons to be *all* disinherited in the entirety of westerossi history.
@juny9445
@juny9445 10 күн бұрын
No wonder the throne itself desown him
@shivpiya8907
@shivpiya8907 14 күн бұрын
He was a fool king...
@deityjc
@deityjc 26 күн бұрын
Marrying a non-Targaryen isn't much of an issue, as his children were still more Targaryen than Hightower. The issue was he allowed himself to be manipulated by Alicent (in the books) and Otto (in the show). Naming Rhaenarya heir also wasn't a mistake as he did it when his only other option was Daemon, and just stuck with that decision until his death. There was actually a lot of support for Rhaenarya botb before and during the Dance.
@wasistdustin
@wasistdustin 8 күн бұрын
I think Viserys enabled her to a point where she went ahead and caused one of the bloodiest wars in history, just because she is a paranoid backstabbing and narcissistic person (she got that from her dad). But Viserys was such a bad King, all he did was bad choices leading to this war being as bloody as it is.
@know846
@know846 Ай бұрын
He should have named ageon heir the moment he was born
@nicksmithnutmilk
@nicksmithnutmilk Ай бұрын
Name him heir and wed him to Rhaenyra . Weird but it would have saved thousands of lives and their House in the long term
@xshandy5812
@xshandy5812 Ай бұрын
@@nicksmithnutmilkfr but rhaenyra was old for aegon
@nicksmithnutmilk
@nicksmithnutmilk Ай бұрын
@@xshandy5812 that's why I said it's weird not becuse they're siblings 😂😂
@user-tm7id8xl1o
@user-tm7id8xl1o 15 күн бұрын
Marrying Alicent was not a mistake, but he made many more. He did not manage his family drama, one way or another. He was proposed to marry Velaryons’ girl, and the story would’ve repeat. Plus, Rhaenyra wasn’t “pure” Targaryen, her mother was Arryn.
@Piotr12396
@Piotr12396 Ай бұрын
That's why you should never marry outside of your family
@liam7664
@liam7664 Ай бұрын
Non Valyrian family? Argon is literally Viserys true born son lol
@queeniryb8449
@queeniryb8449 28 күн бұрын
The Hightowers were not Valyrian, nor did they have any Valyrian kin until them. That is his point.
@velvaka
@velvaka 6 күн бұрын
A any way the discussing userpurs died out 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@archmaester6594
@archmaester6594 Ай бұрын
Viserys should have named his firstborn son, Maegor... Now the lords would face a challenge, bend the knee to the first ruling queen? Or to Maegor II?
@keithlangreen2053
@keithlangreen2053 11 күн бұрын
King viserys should have married Learna. They would have helped Princess Rhaenyra keep the throne. After all House Targaryen and House Velaryon are both pure bloods of the same line
@gabrielakrist11
@gabrielakrist11 26 күн бұрын
The thumbnail reminds me of Aisha/Ayesha's Secret chinese manhua... the twins with silver hair is so similar to the book cover for real! Although I know those silver-haired siblings are Targaryens 🐉🐲🔥🔥🔥
@Evilanious
@Evilanious Ай бұрын
Well, threatening Drogo, Dany and their unborn child was really dumb, and evil too. Did he really think Drogo would let that slide? ... Oh, the other Vyseris.
@Nanakaririka
@Nanakaririka Ай бұрын
The dance would happened regarding
@user-mv5ey7uq4h
@user-mv5ey7uq4h 29 күн бұрын
Viserys was too emotional
@DSkullzGaming
@DSkullzGaming 2 күн бұрын
If viserys married laena, wouldnt rhaenys have then tried to usurp the throne for laenas son too
@lmfao1314
@lmfao1314 Ай бұрын
I mean there were a few things that were a bad decision marrying Alicent as Queen was one of them having Otto Hightower as his hand instead of his brother Daemon was one of them and setting Rhaenyra up for failure by putting her as a soon to be queen for the line of succession knowing the realm would be divided with that idea and knowing most likely that half the realm would not except a queen was one of them I mean I really could go on and if only Queen Aemma and Prince Baelon would have survived the dance of the dragons would not have even happened and House Targaryen still be strong prospering and would still at the height of their success and rule if not even more stronger...but who knows💯🤷🏻‍♂️🖤
@martialartist467
@martialartist467 Ай бұрын
Although all this you gotta admit he was a pretty great father
@charmedlilsis1
@charmedlilsis1 Ай бұрын
He may have had good intentions but the road to hell is often paved in good intentions.
@ankhangel3055
@ankhangel3055 Ай бұрын
Too like one child
@BryndenBloodraven
@BryndenBloodraven Ай бұрын
In what way?
@kap2652
@kap2652 Ай бұрын
@@charmedlilsis1 what good intentions
@kap2652
@kap2652 Ай бұрын
Great father to who rhaenyra he had 4 other kids he ignored he wasn’t even that good of a father to Rhaenyra
@ang5798
@ang5798 28 күн бұрын
Having rhaenyra marry her uncle would have been the best case scenario for the realm and bloodline.
@erikadlloyd5586
@erikadlloyd5586 10 сағат бұрын
Yep, he should have allowed his brother to marry his daughter, they ended up together eventually 😅
@emdeejay7432
@emdeejay7432 12 күн бұрын
Viserys was a fool
@1coldalpha
@1coldalpha Ай бұрын
I like how the show made the Valaryon girl so young that he had no choice but to look at Allicent as wife material.
@BradleyMasten
@BradleyMasten 13 күн бұрын
Im sex and marriage. Nobody knows me already.
@khadijahashim5297
@khadijahashim5297 Ай бұрын
Him and rob were the dumbest of all game of thrones and dance of the dragon series.
@keonasitcheron7803
@keonasitcheron7803 15 күн бұрын
Why do people keep saying he should'nt have made rhaenyra heir?...
@ameliaflynnhayes
@ameliaflynnhayes Ай бұрын
I admit viserys wasn’t a good king a peaceful one but not a good one
@Bandersnatch41
@Bandersnatch41 Ай бұрын
Isn't it also theorized that the power to tame dragons would be lost in a few generations if the valerians had children with non valerians?
@suprhomre
@suprhomre 7 күн бұрын
Viserys was the worse Targaryen in history even the unworthy was a better choice.
@badyoutuber1986
@badyoutuber1986 22 күн бұрын
Non Targaryens bro her children
@Vinzie777
@Vinzie777 28 күн бұрын
But aren’t Hightowers valerian descent?
@sakibhasan5701
@sakibhasan5701 Ай бұрын
Worst decision Rhaenyra is heir
@waimerfbr
@waimerfbr 24 күн бұрын
Who is the artist that make the thumb? Its amazing, he have more imagens of ASOIAF?
@RS1A
@RS1A Ай бұрын
It was Important for the Lineage of Targayreans as Daemon didnt had any male child and Rhenera cannot give birth to a Targayrean as its Male genes that produces male Targayrean so they could have got extinct.
@Tms0211
@Tms0211 4 күн бұрын
The inbreeding keeping the bloodline pure is BS. Some of the other families have distinct powers that are inherited without incest and they appear to be dominant. Like the Starks. It’s mostly because of perversion and for the main reason I agree with is they didn’t want the other families to be able to ride dragons. It’s mostly to keep themselves in power and they can’t rule when all of humanity eventually down the line can ride.
@BALLARDTWIN
@BALLARDTWIN Ай бұрын
He didn't even need an heir, he has a fucking brother and Daughter. Just marry them and give him Dragonstone. Sit back and chill 😎 Daemon should of been the next King, whether he'd be good or bad is inconsequential.
@Kaboomboo
@Kaboomboo Ай бұрын
Should have*
@MR.ZAYI1991
@MR.ZAYI1991 Ай бұрын
That was the problem, Daemon is too temperamental, and his answer for everything was to burn it with dragon fire. Everyone knew to keep him as far away from the throne as possible.
@narufan5999
@narufan5999 Ай бұрын
And when he did have a male heir he should have named him the successor. There’s a reason he was chosen to be a king over Rheneys.
@IVARTHESKYSAILOR
@IVARTHESKYSAILOR 13 күн бұрын
His worst mistake, is not being father to alicents children and supporting rhaenyra for her worst decisions. I hate this show because it is toxic feminist show.....
@Chernobyl_Reactor4
@Chernobyl_Reactor4 Ай бұрын
When people go against what the King wants, there is no point in having an Iron Throne. You might as well melt it down. Viserys thought people would simply do as they are told and behave but Hightowers didn’t want to. Unfortunately, the fake Targaryens edged over the line but the true bloodline fought back and eventually avenged everyone. Both sides claim victory, I guess.
@giovana4121
@giovana4121 28 күн бұрын
Viserys and Alicent's children are Targaryens, they aren't giving access to dragons to other family. In the same way that marrying Aemma wasn't giving the Arryns acess to dragons. That must be the stupidest argument I've ever seen, and this fandom is full of bs. Now, letting Rhaenyra and Helaena bound with dragons was a huge risk from that pov. Same with Rhaenys. And Laena and Laenor. These last two weren't even Targaryen from the start! And all them could have married someone else and took their dragon to other families, just as Rhaenys did.
@kylewilkins6149
@kylewilkins6149 14 күн бұрын
Viserys should have just died. Daemon would ascend the Iron Throne and taken Rhaenyra to wife. Their sons will be kings anyway
@dellavonta187
@dellavonta187 Ай бұрын
What about the strong boys they were none valarion and alicent kids were targs not Hightowers this video sucks hell the old king literally gave house V dragons that was stupid 😊
@Piotr12396
@Piotr12396 Ай бұрын
Rhaenyra's kids have Targaryen blood They don't claim any other houses other than house Targaryen and velaryon They were raised by Targaryens
@Kev_4068
@Kev_4068 Ай бұрын
Veserys is the real reason of the collapse of his own house, and to completely kill every dragons but hey. He’s a good man but dunmb and weak.
@MegaKnight2012
@MegaKnight2012 Ай бұрын
Pretty sure the incest is supposed to be problematic in ASOIAF. Some of the earliest incest is framed really bad. Daenerys assumes she's going to marry her abusive inept brother. Dany'd parent's incestuous union was portrayed as nothing but abusive. Part of Prince Egg's messed up family background is Prince Aerion saying he should geld Egg and marry him, also Egg's sister trying to slip him a love potion. Martin even referred to Jaeherys and Alyssane's marriage as loving as an incestuous marriage can be, implying disapproval of the incest. Jaime and Cersei's incest isn't just abusive for Jaime, it causes problems for everyone in their world.
@NgocNguyen-pm6xf
@NgocNguyen-pm6xf 14 күн бұрын
Nam mô cao đài tiên ông đại bồ tát ma ha tát thường hằng Nam mô cao đài tiên ông đại bồ tát ma ha tát thường hằng Nam mô cao cao tiên ông đại bồ tát ma ha tát thường hằng Nam mô a di đà phật hằng tâm
@rosscardenas6636
@rosscardenas6636 Ай бұрын
the real worst decision he made, was naming his daughter heir. i mean, who does that?
@dinkydoo4994
@dinkydoo4994 26 күн бұрын
Don't know why, can't really get into this series....
@tag4995
@tag4995 17 күн бұрын
It has some pretty boring time jumps and focuses a lot on the superficial of politics, but that's mainly because not much happened during the reign of "lucky" Viserys.
@mlgmeistros4278
@mlgmeistros4278 27 күн бұрын
It was a stupid decision because he wanted his marriage to be as little political as possible, but was actually playing right into Otto's politics. It was also completely unnecisarry: he already had an heir, the focus should have been on marrying Rheanyra to a house. A millitary powerful house with bloodlines to Targ and influence on other houses would have been best. I think a Baratheon would have done the trick (tough a Stark would not have been useless)
@johanna_na
@johanna_na Ай бұрын
The way you pronounced Rhaenyra in the video is weird.
@MrKajom
@MrKajom Ай бұрын
Alicent children were targaryen not high towers
@leannewilson6042
@leannewilson6042 Ай бұрын
Hightowers with Targaryan blood...
@krisztinaeckstein9701
@krisztinaeckstein9701 24 күн бұрын
Nah, Rhaenyra was the absolute best choice as the queen. She could be one of the best Targaryen ruler with Daemon on her side🔥
@tag4995
@tag4995 17 күн бұрын
between her and aegon, she is better. but she's not much, spoiled and without any political skills.
@darimamitypova6964
@darimamitypova6964 27 күн бұрын
Keeping Daemon far from throne was the best decision. But marrying and making male heirs while still claiming Rhaenyra as Iron Throne heir is huge mistake. It doesn't matter if Vyseris was married to Alicent or Laena. Do you really think other lords especially Corlys Velaryon was less powerhungry than Otto? He basically was worse. Otto might have oppotunities to kill Rhaenyra and Daemon and Viserys as well. But somehow the king lived long enough despite of his condition. And Rhanyra and Daemon were fine. Corlys during the dance betrayed blacks then Aegon by poisoning him. If Laena was a queen and gave birth to Viserys's son he would do everything to put his grandson to the throne. BTW I hate comparison of Alicent's children to Rhaenyra, Daemon and Velaryons as they are not true valyrians, did not have pure-blood. First of all, the assimilation of valyrions is inevitable. Westeros is not their homeland. Since old valyria is gone they must change to survive and surpass others. Second, on the big scale does having dragons really that matter? Having a dragon demands a lot of resources, meat and land. It may stop the progress and people continue to live in horrible conditions. Dragons are the war tools but war also demands resouces. So, keeping dragons is not so profitable as it seems in long distance. Third, Gosh, people sound so nazi when they say that blacks are better because of the true Targaryen blood and Hightowers children are nit worthy because they are halfvalyrians. Are you fcking nuts to say so? To me, Otto and Alicent are the best characters in the dance because they work for the throne, for the power. They were more dutiful while Rhaenyra made bastards and didnt give a fck to rule. She wants the throne only because of her heritage but she didn't do the least amount of duty to get it. Daemon is just a psycho and groomer. I think Hightowers doing a favor to the realm destroying stupid Targaryens and their dragons?
@ccvv1119
@ccvv1119 18 күн бұрын
Right he’s such a weak man if he had any sense he would not have married Alicent and he would have stepped down as king earlier not waiting until his death. Stepping down and helping rhaenyra transition would have been for the best. Honestly daemon marrying rhaenyra would have been fine
@trumenfreight6055
@trumenfreight6055 Ай бұрын
This is BS. Aegon, Aemond and Daeron are all Targaryens. There is no other family that has legitimate dragonblood. If anything, house Strong through its bastards has stolen the throne and gained dragons to challenge the legitimate heirs. Marrying Alicent was smart as she gave him heirs. He should have then withdrawn his declaration of Rhaenyra as heir and trained his sons to rule. This would have left no-one in doubt as humans are a male lead species and the laws of westoros reflect this. Viserys' evil is holding on to his wife's memory to the point of promoting a daughter above his sons. People must stop pretending that Viserys was in a crisis. He got remarried and had son's. Alicent solved whatever crisis there was. Again Alicent's children are Targaryen's. The whore-queen's children are outsider's
@beerussama5127
@beerussama5127 Ай бұрын
It’s bullshit, he’s king. He can name who he wants for an heir, and he did. This all goes back to what rhaenys told Rhaenyra, “the realm would rather tear itself apart than see a woman on the throne” which is sexism for no reason. After the dance of the dragons, Rhaenyras son by daemon took the throne anyway. Which is how it should’ve been all along if viserys had just let them marry. But now all the dragons and people die after this for no reason
@charmedlilsis1
@charmedlilsis1 Ай бұрын
Rhaenyra's kids were part of House Strong. They were claiming House Velaryon so your logic is flawed. House Strong was never going go get dragons.
@trumenfreight6055
@trumenfreight6055 Ай бұрын
@@beerussama5127 Actually, no. The king is not God. Kings exist to serve on behalf of God. They themselves are under orders. If the King is not under the orders of God then anyone can do what they want so long as they have power. The house of the dragon acknowledges headship of the divine by having the honorific "Your Grace" . This means they rule by the grace of God. The law is clear sons inherit first. If the king breaks the law then no one else must keep it. The king is to lead not only as a dictator but also an example. If he flaunts the law then he has permitted others to do the same. If God is not obeyed the title of king is meaningless. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either the king obeys God or no-one obeys anyone at all.
@BryndenBloodraven
@BryndenBloodraven Ай бұрын
@@trumenfreight6055 true..
@snakeeater_0074
@snakeeater_0074 Ай бұрын
100% correct
@MegaKnight2012
@MegaKnight2012 Ай бұрын
The Targaryens were selfish to horde dragons. They monopolized them using abusive family breeding tactics. They should have bred with more Westerosi to allow more people to have dragons to protect against the coming Long Night. Their monopolizing dragons also led to keeping them in the dragon pit, decreasing their size and power, instead of having them patrol Westeros freely.
@Pouncealot2023
@Pouncealot2023 Ай бұрын
And what’s stopping other houses from then deposing the Targaryens from power
@alisirin5945
@alisirin5945 22 күн бұрын
He is completely wrong anyway
@SPacePhish09
@SPacePhish09 21 күн бұрын
Targaryens and Valyrians are all White btw
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