Yeah, I clicked on the vid thinking "There's no way she's as bad as ML Potemkin", and I was right, Mariah actually has strengths which is more than what ML Pot can claim. That being said, while ML is far from a low power level game, HftF is just on another level entirely, so a character that would be decent to good in most fighting games is just utter bottom tier trash here.

The Fact you said "Comics" enrages me for some reason

⁠@@DucksRequiemmy favorite comic book written by A Rock Lee, Jojo’s bizarre adventure

@@DucksRequiem chinese cartoons

​@@DucksRequiem weeb

@@okto4201buddy, look where you are right now. What video you’re on. What game we’re talking about. What comment your response‘s under. No one’s allowed to call anyone a weeb here

I laughed really hard at this. It must suck having to share space with the Bird

Who is the cherry milf hunter?

THE BIG BIRD?! TAKE MY LOVE! TAKE, ALL OF IT!!!!1!11!

​@@SortazarMarisa quote moment. Actually Marisa having PetShop as a Pet would be real funny.

Yeah she's really far from being the worst low tier ever made, to be honest.

This game is sick in the mind. It's close to being a good modern anime fighter, but it's basically been rushed in favor of 3rd Strike, an I wouldn't blame them.

She would be S tier in pretty much any other game.

Incredible oki and chip damage. But almost every other character is immune to knockdown, won’t die to chip damage, and can do more damage to her in one combo than she does trying to zone them for 30 seconds.

Incredible oki and chip damage. But almost every other character is immune to knockdown, won’t die to chip damage, have moves that cut right through her zoning, and can do more damage with less effort

That's the power of CPS3. Same board that Capcom used for Street Fighter 3 so it's quite detailed and nice looking.

welcome to HFTF, the game where the homosexual vampire (tries) to take over the world but loses to a guy that lost to a rat with a gun.

@@Disectively That's the thing about Stand battles, they're more like puzzles than unga bunga big number battles. And Jotaro didn't exactly "lose" to Bug Eaten, as he was intentionally acting as bait to reveal its hiding spot so Josuke could snipe it. Sending Josuke out as bait would be stupid, since he's their healer and his Stand power doesn't work on himself. Jotaro will be fine if he takes a hit, Josuke won't.

@@DuothimirThanks for the recap lol it's been forever since I've seen anything JoJo and I was entirely lost.

Kakyoin’s knockdown animation is the most fluid and beautiful animation I’ve seen in a fighting game

heh. STANDard.

on a standard fighting game she'd be a nightmare tbh, if we think something more Street Fighter Alpha series alike, which's what I consider to be a standard fighting game (SFA3 is my fav SF do far tho), on most games a character with a long range grab, that is a zoner, with good normals, would be what Pet Shop is on this game

Her moveset actually reminds me a lot of Duck Hunt from Smash Bros.

@@ToniaGlitched JP

@@yeyeande pretty much like him, hah...

he went from "eh" to arguably #1, let my man zato get the same treatment :(

Good luck!

Bro 'bouta get cooked ✋️😭

ahh lack safe confirms, remind me of the manga where her stand power is not safe to herself.

Yw

also counterpoint: neco arc chaos

This brother is gone

@@vibemasterkorosu2469 this brother is free

@@vibemasterkorosu2469 this brother is free

She is very good this guy just is not creative or patient enough

@@mrp9507 nah, buddy, as someone who plays with her all the time, she's not, you gotta almost master her to defeat an average player of almost any other character. The fact her specials take some time to come out is the worst part since people can use the light punch and stop them if they manage to dash close to you, and one of her supers is very close range, besides she not being really good at close range, meanwhile the other takes what seems to be a whole second to start... and if the other player is Hol Horse, Avdol or Kakyoin and use their super a few frames AFTER YOU, IT COUNTERS MARIAH'S SUPER. So yeah, she sucks, specially to battle other people, but is very fun to play

Well... it is. 😅

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Damn we got some boomers here already

Tager

@@KleberDKurosaki I was thinking Kokonoe because of the gadgets but that works too

@@pingspoofer832 Tager is a grappler, she plays nothing like that, she is however very much akin to Kokonoe due to the gadgets and screen control

@@theultimateartist4153 CT Tager was considered the worst character in the first BB game thanks to his size AND anybody can cross him up at any where any time (including the corner). With a miserable movement option and borderline worst hurtbox in the game, he's comparable to Mariah's fate with his only good matchup was against Noel. Kokonoe is the entire opposite side of the same coin. Kokonoe was straight-up Kakyoin and Petshopt tier when she first came out and even with several nerfs to Centralfiction, Kokonoe is still considered a Top 8 to Top 10 character in the game.

@@zhaoyun255 The first comment says proto-blaze blue so I thought he meant conceptually but yes, we we are talking tier wise she would be comparable to many characters. I lost interest in Blazblue when I saw how broken Arakne was, allot of these combo corner games get mentally exhausting to me

for me I just hate her. Her whole episode was annoying and her whole “fight” is just her running from Joseph and avdol while Joseph and avdol get into unfunny situations.

@@jojogacha974 *funny situations

@@gnerus1972 no they were unfunny. Gay jokes ain’t funny.

@@jojogacha974 if gay jokes aren't funny then why are you even watching JoJo? fake fan

@@gnerus1972 because cool powers. Sorry that I’m asexual and not gay.

Mariah definitely top tier if you don't know how to fight her that's for sure haha

How else would you describe it

@@ducklett01god I wouldn't describe it any other way because it cracked me up.

I mean it's the most straightforward description and I wouldn't have it any other way

The move itself is just CURSED

Part of the issue is that in the initial version of the game, JoJo's Venture, nearly every character was an Active Stand or Weapon Stand character. Only Shadow DIO and Young Joseph had passive Stands, and they were both secret characters. So while it was a highly effective mechanic, it was still balanced in that nearly everyone could use it. Heritage for the Future, the revision, added a mess of new characters, and almost all of them (Rubber Soul, the Hol Horses, Mariah, Pet Shop, Black Polnareff) were Passive Stands. Most likely, this was to save money, since it's half the work to design a Passive Stand character compared to an Active Stand. You can see this in the two newcomers with Active Stands: Vanilla Ice was already in Venture as a boss character, and New Kakyoin is a clone, so both of them needed relatively little work. So basically, the problem arose because when these systems were designed, it was at a time when nobody thought the game would have half its roster consisting of characters who couldn't use it.

@@misterbadguy7325 That makes an unfortunate amount of sense, yeah.

@@kenkoopa7903 It's worth noting that the whole point behind Shadow DIO and Joseph is that they were Passive Stand characters because they _couldn't_ just pull out their Stands and fight alongside them. In DIO's case, it's because he's deliberately trying to conceal the power of The World (hence, Shadow DIO's World takes the form of an indistinct silhouette that only shows up for certain moves), and in Young Joseph's case, he doesn't have a Stand, period. Meanwhile, compare that to some of the new characters who ended up with Passive Stands. Black Polnareff absolutely has a Stand he can fight alongside, since he's just Polnareff under possession--in fact, one of the most iconic parts of the fight is when he switches to letting Silver Chariot use the sword. Rubber Soul, same difference--he prefers to keep Yellow Temperance wrapped around him, but it can still function independently from him or split up. And while Hol Horse's Stand is an object he has to hold, Chaka was also a character whose Stand is a weapon and he still had two movesets--they could have designed a version of Hol who uses punches and kicks, then draws Emperor and switches to a gun-based moveset. But they didn't, because, well... they didn't have the time or the money, so they decided to just work with what they could get out. And you can really see the effects of that budget in the character roster. Hol Horse was planned for the first game but they couldn't finish him, Vanilla Ice is a boss made playable, and New Kakyoin, Black Polnareff, Hoingo, and Rubber Soul all reuse things from other characters. So the only fully bespoke characters in the revision were Mariah, Pet Shop, and Khan. And Pet Shop is broken, Mariah is broken from the other direction, and Khan is bordering on unfinished.

Nah that's pretty good

@@r.henryjr.1533 I tried to proofread the comment, but my brain refused to cooperate, so I said I don't speak English in case it was completely stupid. Might remove the last part, now that the censors have read it. Thank you.

@@dumaass No prob

I was looking for this comment lmao

Or Tager in BBCT He can't even do 5A 5B 5C Doesn't even have the perk of being kinda hard to pressure up close as he doesn't have the guard cancel 1F unwhiffable N/A recovery command grab potemkin has

Roll in mvc2 is pretty awful

Don't forget Jagi in Fist of the North Star! He has two 1-9 matchups, two 2-8 matchups, two 3-7 matchups, and four 4-6 matchups. This sounds bad before you learn that he's in a game with ten characters. His only matchup to be even or better is himself.

Difference is he's so bad It's not even funny

Most people play it on fightcade

Shun actually debuted in VF2, which was released in '94.

@@GTea30drinking only expanded one of his moves in that game, and they didn't add the drink counter to the hud until VF3

Zato wasn't a puppet character in Guilty Gear: The Missing Link.

Midler doesn't need to use tandem really, but it's also just something you practice and get better at.

@@owengilroy9256 stand off car super is def a better way to spend than tandem haha. i love how midler has such a mix of strengths and weaknesses in both modes, its why i play her

Roll's a joke That said, Twelve is absolutely worse

maybe not, but exaggeration sells!

@@MrMixtape good point

Yes I've seen that, kinda proved my point about how good characters in new fighting games have it haha

She's the magnetic user in part 3, with the Bastet stand

Every character in Heritage for the Future hails from Part 3, outside of Young Joseph

falcon

Jotaro has a move "Star finger", which is a very important part of his gameplan and oki. Starts his combos, allows him to confirm from his mix

Different system mechanics and game design

Not even by the same devs. HFTF was made by Capcom, ASBR was made by Namco. I heard that she's stronger in ASBR, also

Twelve is not the worst low tier at all. Kusoge exists.

​​@@EXFrostEven before kusoge, Twelve is also still overall better than _3rd Strike_ Sean since Capcom took a sledgehammer to the poor boy after he was the best character in _Second Impact_ and made him intentionally worse than Dan for "story reasons" or whatever IIRC. Sure, it's not saying much that Twelve is better than Sean given all of Twelve's issues, but Twelve's badness is both overall lesser and at least unintentional.

@@MusicoftheDamned i can agree with that. Really hope twelve comes back. Cus besides the low damage and lack of combos (easily fixed in a game like sf6), hes just a really unique character in the franchise. Visually obviously but definitely mechanically. His air focus makes him feel more like an anime character than a sf one and i think thats really cool. Plus he looks badass. Sean i think can stay retired. Just another tired shoto. I really hope we get one of the 3 3rd strike oddballs (Q, Twelve or Necro) to return. In terms of in 3rd strike, yeah objectively their power level seems similar but in terms of viability, twelve is much better just for the fact that sean has nothing to offer any player they wouldnt get by playing any of the other basic shotos. While Twelve actually has distinct advantages and playstyle that could better suit certain players.

@@EXFrost A much delayed reply as I go through my backlog of KZfaq replies, but yes, I would rather Twelve, Necro, or Q come back over Sean even if Sean could be made more interesting. He would have to be rather overhauled though, and in a way Laura existing now arguably hurts him more than she helps given I feel like if Capcom changed him, then he'd probably just end halfway between a shoto and her. But, yeah, Sean can stay gone as can Remy, and I used to play Remy. If we *have* to have another Guile-like character who isn't Charlie, then they can just use Guile's daughter Amy if they want to anyway.