The WORST Smash Bros. Game
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Күн бұрынCompared to the rest of the series, Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U feels a bit messy and soulless. It’s missing something. Let’s talk about that.
For nearly 40 minutes.
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MUSIC USED:
“Results Display Screen” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“Online Practice Stage” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“Training Mode” from Super Smash Bros. (N64)
“Quick Man Stage” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“Replays/Album/Records” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“Master Orders: Ticket Selection” from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
“Menu” from Super Smash Bros. (N64)
“PAC-MAN’s Park / Block Town” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“The Great Cave Offensive” from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
“Boss Fight 1” from Kid Icarus: Uprising
“One Winged Angel” from Final Fantasy VII
“Boss Theme Medley (Kirby Series)” from Super Smash Bros. Brawl
“Town Hall and Tom Nook’s Store” from Super Smash Bros. Brawl
“Donkey Kong / Donkey Kong Jr. Medley” from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
“Magicant / Eight Melodies” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“Gallery / Hoard” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“Trophy” from Super Smash Bros. Melee
“Trophy Shop” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“Duck Hunt Medley” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“Free the Spirit!” from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
“Menu 1” from Super Smash Bros. Melee
“King Bowser - Super Mario Bros. 3” from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
“Main Theme - The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes” from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
“Chill (Dr. Mario) Ver. 2” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“Trophy Gallery” from Super Smash Bros. Brawl
“The Light Realm: March” from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
“Master Fortress: First Wave” from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
“Boss Battle” from Super Smash Bros. Brawl
“Multi-Man Smash” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“All-Star Rest Area” from Super Smash Bros. Melee
“Classic: Map” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS
“Classic: Map” from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
“Crazy Orders: Ticket Selection” from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
“Events” from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
“Wi-Fi Waiting Room” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“Step: The Cave” from Super Smash Bros. Brawl
“Smash Tour: Map” from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
“Menu (Melee)” from Super Smash Bros. Brawl
“All-Star Rest Area” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“The Light Realm: Prologue” from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
“Classic: Final Results” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“Trophy Rush” from Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
“Let’s Hit the Climax!” from Bayonetta
CHAPTERS:
0:00 Introduction
1:34 The Characters & Hype Cycle
4:46 Smash: More Than Characters
6:01 The Stages
10:44 The Collectibles (Trophies)
14:32 A Brief Menu Rant
15:24 The Collectibles (Custom Parts)
19:08 The Modes & “The Illusion of Content”
28:21 Smash Tour & Smash Run
34:01 Conclusion
@NewGabeOrder Жыл бұрын
20:24 You mean, five. It depended on the Classic Mode level you played.
@doggifu Жыл бұрын
Oops
@the1andonlydrmixxel Жыл бұрын
💯th like lul
@SneaktheWolf Жыл бұрын
Also, broken stage buolder
@liammcnicholas918 7 ай бұрын
Fun fact: The intensity scale was taken from Kid Icarus Uprising.
@hhhh82user 5 ай бұрын
@@liammcnicholas918wasnt kid icarus uprising released after brawl? unless youre talking about smash 4 and not brawl
@marioisawesome8218 Жыл бұрын
the most criminal feature is the touch screen doesn't let you press the menu buttons.
@Patodeagua213 Жыл бұрын
For real
@Zenitsu-zq4pj Жыл бұрын
This is still a thing in Ultimate
@rdowg Жыл бұрын
@@Zenitsu-zq4pj and it's just as infuriating The entire UI was CLEARLY designed for the touch screen
@LeopoldLitchenstein Жыл бұрын
Switch does the same thing and it annoys me so much
@David2073 7 ай бұрын
I was about to try to get the game now that I have a 3DS, but now I hate it
@Gabowsk Жыл бұрын
"Smash without substance" is another term for Tinder
@zero1zerolast393 7 ай бұрын
Otherwise, soulless
@LiarJudas666 2 ай бұрын
not the way i use it
@Hamantha Жыл бұрын
To defend New Pork City feeling like it’s been designed by a child, that’s incredibly lore accurate and fitting to the idea of New Pork City
@rubberballoonlover5471 Ай бұрын
& Porky normally doesn't think too far ahead.
@williamreed3739 Жыл бұрын
I respectfully disagree on the trophy part. For me, a kid who really only got Brawl in middle school for Sonic and wasn’t super familiar with most of Smash’s franchises, the trophies were such a fun and addictive way to learn about the other series in the game. I was introduced to so many characters and stories through the trophies. Even if the models themselves are downgraded I’d rather have that way than not have them at all. It’s like you said it made Smash feel like a video game museum of sorts. I feel like I’d be a lot less salty about Ultimate getting rid of them if the spirits at least had a paragraph description for each character like the trophies do. That’s a little thing that would’ve gone a long way. Either way I get your point but I still deeply miss trophies
@drew8235 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, trophies were one of the best parts of Melee back in the day. I wish they had kept up with that over the years. The spirit system in Ultimate is a bummer.
@amadeus.7436 2 ай бұрын
I feel like Spirits with just a description and listing some notable games they've been in would've been perfectly fine
@ianb.2575 20 күн бұрын
Brawl trophies were still really good, just a bit of a downgrade. There are more of them, so that can make up for it depending on how you feel about quantity vs quality
@wideeyedwiseguy7492 Жыл бұрын
Smash 4 isn’t necessarily a bad game just an obsolete game. Like you said there’s just nothing to go back to when compared to the other games. Which sucks because this was the only smash game I stuck with through its entire community hype cycle. I’ll always have a soft spot for it because of that though.
@reynoldskynaston9529 Жыл бұрын
Yeah ultimate basically does everything smash 4 does but better and with more content. Brawl still has subspace emissary and melee is melee. 64 gets a pass since it was the first. There’s not really any reason to play smash 4 these days.
@poleon2003 Жыл бұрын
@@reynoldskynaston9529 yeah kinda why my Wii U nowadays kinda collects dust nowadays like the only time I would use it is to play Wind Waker HD or Twilight Princess HD but aside from that the switch has kinda made the Wii U worthless for me
@Underworlder5 Жыл бұрын
@@poleon2003 i still use the wii U for the virtual console. honestly have more fun with the virtual console titles than the actual titles for the console
@Masked_Mastermind Жыл бұрын
@@reynoldskynaston9529 For me, I'd say there's no reason to go back to Smash Wii U, but with Smash 3DS I can still get some enjoyment with it that I wouldn't get with the other games, like its unique Classic mode (which is way better than the Wii U version's Classic mode, and I'd even go as far as to say that it's better than Brawl's Classic mode since it doesn't drag on for too long or make you play the same minigame twice), its All Star mode (which I'll admit isn't perfect, but it's at least better than Brawl's and Ultimate's All Star modes imo), and Smash Run which might arguably be my most favorite game mode in all of Smash.
@kingstarscream3807 Жыл бұрын
@@reynoldskynaston9529 Except if you want to play Smash on the go with a 3DS. Because the Switch isn't a true portable. Imagine playing that on a bus.
@HaughtyToast Жыл бұрын
It really did feel like the 3ds got the better modes to entice people to buy it since they knew competitive players would obviously favor the one that was compatible with the Gamecube controller. Even StreetSmash, despite having pretty much nothing in common with the main gameplay, was far more fun than what Smash Wii U was offering.
@Rot8erConeX Жыл бұрын
Like, I wish that Ultimate got Smash Run (and maybe Smash Tour just because why not) but like, if it did, would there be any reason to go back to Smash 4?
@tbc1880 Жыл бұрын
Yeah on the 3ds its still fun and has its moments
@Patodeagua213 Жыл бұрын
Smash 3ds was better and is more fun to look back
@HaughtyToast Жыл бұрын
@@kylespevak6781 Weirdly enough the competitive smash scene recently caught up to the rest of the fighting game community and realized that different controllers suit different characters better due to which inputs they most commonly use. So we're probably going to see less of the Gamecube controller going forward.
@HaughtyToast Жыл бұрын
@@kylespevak6781 There's a lot more that goes into it than that. The Wii remote had some button mapping issues with Smash. It's certainly usable but not ideal for the quick inputs that the c stick allowed which is what you want in competitive. Also keep in mind that until relatively recently 3rd party controllers for Nintendo consoles tended to be worse quality-wise (lot's of drifting and button sticking) than the Nintendo products themselves. The Switch console completely changed that. I bought a Switch pro controller, used it twice, and had it start drifting. 3rd parties are specifically choosing to make their controllers sturdier now because of that nonsense. It's no surprise that people have started branching out now over the years prior.
@Wiki1184 Жыл бұрын
It’s definitely the one game in the series that I have no reason to go back to after the sequel came out. It kind of feels like a beta version of Ultimate.
@madness9651 Жыл бұрын
Actually, its the opposite. Ultimate is Smash 4 with Asia Grinder Gacha mechanics added and the majority of new characters hidden behind a hefty DLC paywall. The leap from Brawl to Smash 4 felt much more satisfying, they really fixed all criticism people had towards the slowed down gameplay. Sure once you've paid for Ultimate, you will never go back. But you probably didn't ever go back on the other ones either. I didn't go back either, too. But a game should first and foremost be evaluated in its historical context and Smash 4 was an improvement, Smash Ultimate is a continuation.
@Wiki1184 Жыл бұрын
@@madness9651 I wasn’t bashing Smash 4 at all, I’m just saying that once Ultimate came out I can’t think of a reason to go back to it. I’ve gone back to the other games plenty in the franchise because they have their own unique features, modes, gameplay that give me a reason to play them over Ultimate. Then again, Ultimate is pretty much the equivalent of a “Definitive Addition” of 4.
@edcellwarrior Жыл бұрын
It doesn’t have input buffering. That alone makes it worth coming back to compared to Ultimate.
@artimist0315 Жыл бұрын
Personally I just prefer the feel of the game, the characters feel more different and a lot of the weird moveset choices in ultimate make much more sens in that engine. I also really, really like smash run, which is in my opinion very underrated because it wasn't on Wii U.
@thehuman2cs715 Жыл бұрын
@madness what do you mean with "Asia gacha grinder" mechanics buh
@murphmariotwopointoh7714 Жыл бұрын
I feel like Smash Run needs to return with more and improved content, it's a shame it got cut from Ultimate. Edit: There's also the fact that some characters got very little balance changes. Mario managed to make it out fine, but poor Jigglypuff was left in the dust.
@Vexal50 Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, didn't Jigglypuff not get any changes at all, ignoring the universal changes that a few patches made?
@murphmariotwopointoh7714 Жыл бұрын
@@Vexal50 That would be correct, yeah. It's especially bad since they're one of the worst characters in the game.
@Rhubarb120 7 ай бұрын
It really should come back. It was so fun, despite it never even being finished the way it was intended. When the mode was first revealed, they claimed that you could find and interact with other players while exploring the map, but that feature was taken out before launch. It's a shame, because that is such a great idea, and was used to great effect in City Trial from Kirby Air ride, which Smash Run was heavily based off of.
@DoublemanFM 5 ай бұрын
You're forgetting the worst part about Wii U Classic: the AI is programmed to ALWAYS prioritize striking the player if they're within a certain range instead of other CPUs, which means that if you're playing against 7 CPUs, you're basically playing a 1 vs 7 with friendly fire on. Most 9.0 deathless runs devolve into praying you get low player count games and then being forced into a 6-man Smash on a stage small enough where all of the CPUs are in their player aggro range and then dying to a stage hazard.
@theAmazingJunkman Жыл бұрын
Smash Run and customs with friends were far-and-away the most fun I’ve ever gotten out of Smash 4.
@anothenblue2630 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact regarding the ported trophy models thing: Brawl Zelda characters were also lifted from TP entirely. You can even give them original TP textures with no effort because the UVs are all left untouched.
@laqueeshous1813 Жыл бұрын
the uvs are slightly different as most of the texture maps for combined into one giant texture, and his hair is a slightly lighter color, but the textures are mostly the game
@anothenblue2630 Жыл бұрын
@@laqueeshous1813 I distinctly recall them being the same. Still, the models are barely changed. It's probably why Ganondorf and Link are some of the only characters in the game who use vertex animations for expressions rather than swapping faces.
@laqueeshous1813 Жыл бұрын
@@anothenblue2630 yea that is the reason, the polygons themselves are virtually unchanged, the uvs were just slightly altered so they could combine the textures into one sheet
@artimist0315 Жыл бұрын
I mean they probably did the same thing for Minecraft in Ultimate, at least that how it seems for how terribly out of place steve and the stage look in the game.
@anothenblue2630 Жыл бұрын
@@artimist0315 they did, but that not only lets you effortlessly use your own Minecraft skins, but it's also an artistic choice like Mr G&W
@songoku2711 Жыл бұрын
To this day, I will always love Smash 3DS/Wii U. Better time in my life, very nostalgic for me. Was the last Smash game I loved before my health took a spiraling decline in my 20s. I will always love my memories of enjoying Smash 4 and playing it with friends.
@stardustsdd Жыл бұрын
I hope Trunks comes from the future to give you the medicine you need. Dark jokes aside though, I hope you get better.
@ButterfingerBB Жыл бұрын
@@stardustsdd You are a star. Don't change.
@aclstudios 4 ай бұрын
Smash 3DS came out the day my ex officially dumped me. So for me it's the exact opposite- brings back some awful memories, and to this day I still have trouble playing it. Ultimate is what got me back into Smash and gave me a second chance.
@Mepphy99 Жыл бұрын
"it's not like rehashing green hill is not faithful" made me laugh more than it should
@geminiguy6032 5 ай бұрын
Brawl was hands down the most impactful smash game for me despite all its flaws. At the time, it seemed like it majorly stepped up its visuals and roster and I had replayed subspace emissary at least 100 times. It just felt like so much heart was put into making it the greatest game it could be and solidified my love for the series.
@PeruvianPotato 2 ай бұрын
Nah fr. Even now, Brawl is still my favorite video game of all time for MANY reasons but if I were to name one: It was more than a game, but an experience that created many fond memories that no other game has been able to recapture since and I've played quite a diverse selection of games over the years.
@friendlyneighborhoodnoob 11 ай бұрын
The main thing I love about Smash 4 is the artstyle... specifically the Wii U artstyle (the cartoony look that the characters have, the shadows, the character icons, everything about the artstyle just attracts me). I also find some of the stages in the game memorable along side Smash Run. The last thing I adore about Smash 4 is the shop (the whole concept where you are going to the store and going to buy a minifigure is just really adorable). Other than that..... yeah, the other games in the series are better.... although, I really liked the custom moveset aspect of the game (even if it was tedious)
@TheMack625 5 ай бұрын
I agree with the aesthetic.
@Psyche_TH Ай бұрын
I mostly agree with you and the following paragraph is more of a rant at the video than you. The thing about the custom moves was that they were never meant to appeal to players with a 'main'. They had a deliberate genericness to them because the player was expected to explore the roster and play with a multitude of different fighters, and the custom moves served the function of making characters flexible so that you could pick somebody based on you liking how they look or because they represent your favourite game franchise or they're just so darn interesting, not because they're meta. Once you picked the character, you'd quickly see what their default strengths and weaknesses are and could then modify them to fit your preferred playstyle. You might love Ganondorf's whole lord of darkness and everything evil thing but hate that he moves so slow, or you could be a fan of the blue blur but prefer for Sonic to hit hard than to traverse the stage fast, and the custom moves let you do that for the most part however they symbiotically rely on stat equipment which is why those two are always either on or off together. Then you could go to another fighter knowing that most of the same ideas are there too so it's already familiar and you can set up another loadout quickly and easily. Plus, it gave you less to memorise. Sure, the full cast getting ×3 totally unique, functionally different special moves sounds fun to use, but it'd be a pain to fight against because there'd be so much to memorise; competitive players would be capable of doing that but complain about it and have the option disabled anyway, while casual players whom the game is actually meant for would find it confusing and too inconsistent to play in any sort of relaxing way. I don't know if Doggifu is a Smash celebrity or a tourist, but either way he seems like he picked a main, stuck with it and is now complaining about lack of variety, when the whole point was to jump from character to character on a whim while not taking the whole thing too seriously.
@whiteout2098 Жыл бұрын
seeing petilil be referred to as a baddie is something i never thought i'd ever hear
@naruconas2334 Жыл бұрын
When it comes to trophies, I'm much more interested in the little blurbs that come with them and gives some background My biggest problem with spirits are the direct lack of that and part of why i prefer the trophies. They might be asset rips, but its fun to learn about the characters and sometimes get trivia you wouldn't know otherwise plus it feels great being able to fill out the collection. Seriously the fact that not only do they not tell you a little about them and they are expendable making them a pain to collect, but don't even tell you what franchise they're a part of is why I do not care about them at all in ultimate. Also they're just slightly better stickers from brawl which no one cared about.
@Wiggimus Жыл бұрын
I honestly hated the Spirits in Ultimate. In no way did they make up for the complete omission of trophies.
@ButterfingerBB Жыл бұрын
Completely agree
@Duskool Жыл бұрын
It's so dumb that the Spirits don't have descriptions and origin game, because Ultimate has the biggest crossover character number, but i guess it wasn't important enough to write a small paragraph on who a character was. Especially because spirits are just JPEGs, Trophies were actual models, in some cases built from scratch because the original series wasn't in 3D (the EarthBound ones specifically were so cool to me, because when else are they gonna make official 3D models of things like Dungeon Man or Ramblin' Mushroom?)
@ric4455. 11 ай бұрын
something i very vividly remember was watching a video posted back when spirits mode wasnt revealed yet and they literally predicted it being stickers
@leoperd3487 Жыл бұрын
I actually like how they implemented The Great Cave Offensive; it perfectly recaptures all the frustration that game mode gave me as a kid!
@hisuianzoroark5726 Жыл бұрын
It's a great cave that many people find offensive
@WuhHuh 5 ай бұрын
it’s the cave that’s great at making people who play on it say offensive things out of frustration
@FluffyMoni4367 4 ай бұрын
I really like great cave offensive, my favorite area is the one I’m pretty sure everyone else hates, Old Tower, I love how labyrinthian it is and all the variety of challenges it has to offer
@ModernAegis Жыл бұрын
I knew before I even clicked on this video that it was gonna be either 4 or Brawl. I'm so glad it wasn't Brawl.
@anothenblue2630 Жыл бұрын
Brawl is godawful, but at least it's not obsolete, which is way worse. You can go back to Brawl for SSE nostalgia or to torture yourself, but the only thing 4 has to offer is Smash Run on an otherwise inferior version of the game.
@AkameGaKillfan777 Жыл бұрын
@@anothenblue2630 Or because there are other aspects of it to enjoy, jackass
@leonasty69 Жыл бұрын
@@anothenblue2630 torture? alright, the game is a horrid mess competitively, (hello meta knight) but subspace is really good like you said, playing it with friend and items is a blast, coin launcher slaps, and the single player section is actually pretty decent, even without SSE
@anothenblue2630 Жыл бұрын
@@leonasty69 It's awful to play even casually (Meta Knight being broken isn't even why it's a bad game competitively) and that includes SSE. Aside from how boring everything is there, from aesthetics to level design, your movement speed is gutted for no reason. It's especially noticeable if you play Sonic or if you play SSE in PM where they removed mode-specific attributes.
@leonasty69 Жыл бұрын
@@anothenblue2630 oh yeah I forgot that the physics and the snail's pace everyone moves at are terrible. i will say that i've grown to like the game's aesthetic and the strange vibe it goes for, but not the washed out art style that was used, if that makes sense
@Dekomata Жыл бұрын
I still remember primarily being a 3DS player for smash 4 since I didn't own a Wii U (that was my brother). Spent so many hours mainly just honing my skills and getting the most out of it. But ever since Ultimate became a thing, there's really no reason to go back to. Which is pretty sad. You've said it yourself. Probably doesn't help that Ultimate is the Super Turbo to Smash 4's Super (to those that don't know what i mean, its like SFII. once SSFIIT came out, there was barely any reason to go back to SSFII).
@CassiusStelar 2 ай бұрын
You said the same comparison twice, why not give it a more smash specific comparison. It's like playing Super Smash Flash after the release of Flash 2 or Crusade
@doom3926 Жыл бұрын
Gameplay wise I think Smash 4 is what Brawl should’ve been if they wanted to go for a slower pace, cause Smash 4 felt like a middle ground between Smash 64 and Brawl. Otherwise, these days I see Smash 4 as another instance of the first version of a fighting game before they move onto an updated version (Mortal Kombat 3 to Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 as an example) in this case Smash Ultimate. Obviously not everything from Smash 4 made it over but it didn’t have to. I do think Smash Run should’ve been preserved though, without a story mode a mode like that where you can fight a bunch of legacy video game enemies was a great idea and it’d be cool if they brought it back and added to it with stuff like a Survival Mode where you gotta roam the map fighting as many of these enemies as you can while getting your buffs, meanwhile the enemies are also getting stronger over time, stuff like that to make it more arcady, it can still keep the original intended version of the mode though of course.
@cyruscrompton8221 Жыл бұрын
Some of the custom moves are pretty fun, my favorite being Megaman's side B turning into a bubble making him a monster
@MarioLuigi25 Жыл бұрын
His Up Special that uses Beat is also one of the best recovery moves ever. And the down special that uses Skullman’s weapon is also really cool. Some of the special moves are indeed really cool
@coboby3347 Жыл бұрын
I don't know that I'd call it "worse" than Smash 64, but I definitely revisit it less often. Smash 4 just feels like a lesser version of Ultimate, whereas at least 64 has its own unique appeal. Not much reason to go back to a game that doesn't have anything unique setting it apart from its superior sequel.
@juneru2 Жыл бұрын
I love that Smash 4 introduced a buncha unorthadox newcomers like Villager, Duck Hunt, and Wii Fit Trainer. Bringing in alot of third-parties like Pac-Man, Mega Man, and Cloud was also awesome.
@onemanjam519 Жыл бұрын
Playing smash 4 competitive was such a weird fever dream of a time. From custom moves to arguing over the amount of stocks, it felt very flavor of the week, especially when DLC came out. However, man is that bayo section justified, the energy of my local felt drained when every 3rd match in bracket was a bayo you never heard of but would take you down to the LAST hit. Good times :)
@neodeli8127 Жыл бұрын
People don't take in count the fact that custom specials basically give all characters two echo fighters.
@Guest-qo5nl 5 ай бұрын
Honestly I fucked with custom moves
@cinypolo5592 Жыл бұрын
Oh come on, I still like Smash Bros for 3DS and Wii U, sure both of them have flaws in them but they’re still really good games, I still play both versions today, and both smash games are still fun to play on. I wouldn’t really call in good conscience that both smash games on the 3DS and Wii U are “the worst entry in the series” or “the worst smash bros. games” either.
@Khaymanssbm Жыл бұрын
Name a worse smash game then 💀
@MenacingTato69420 Жыл бұрын
@@cinypolo5592 GET OUUUUUUUUUUT!!! GET OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT!
@cinypolo5592 Жыл бұрын
@@MenacingTato69420 Nope.
@DarkDuskStorm Жыл бұрын
Genuinely curious- why do you rank 64 as the worst?
@RushWheeler Жыл бұрын
@@cinypolo5592 still better because Kirby was actually good in that game
@febreeze4655 Жыл бұрын
i still think that custom moves were one of the most fun concepts smash ever introduced and im still kinda sad they aren't in ultimate. spirits dont hit the same
@anothenblue2630 Жыл бұрын
@@hdjd2saucy screw balancing, the overwhelming majority of them were simply boring. They were variations of "more power, but slower," "faster, but weaker" and an occasional random effect, but they reused animations anyway. Where is Shinespark for Samus? Hammer for Toon Link? Magic for Ganondorf? An ungodly amount of Pokemon moves?
@Psyche_TH Ай бұрын
@@anothenblue2630 They were boring so that there could be some general consistency across fighters making it more familiar for you when you customise more than one and giving you less mental strain trying to remember everything when playing against them in a party game. You pick a heavy that hits hard and want them to have better recovery? You know you'll probably have the choice of an up special that goes higher but does no damage. You pick a spam-zoner but want to use them up close and/or for their projectiles to do something other than make number go up? You're in for a treat because they're almost bound to have a charge shot variant, or an even more powerful, slower moving version of the default charge shot they already have. While the Miis, Palutena, and to a lesser extent the other newcomers are all pretty cool, in the long run you wouldn't *really* want to open up Samus' specials and find that the alternative to firing your arm cannon at the enemy is running at them really fast, or that your possible replacements for Pikachu's little lightning move, big lightning move, exploding headbutt move and airdash move are other elements that do different things. Besides that, Sonic already struggles to find a special that doesn't involve him curling up into a ball, so what else can he do? Applying that to all of the characters just wouldn't be workable. Palutena etc have an excuse to stand out, but all the returning fighters getting three times the usual load of unique specials would be an overload.
@anothenblue2630 Ай бұрын
@@Psyche_TH half of them don't work anyway (like none of Falcon Punch alts are worth anything even though Warlock Punch has a genuinely decent sword version while a good chunk of specials have one objectively best version), so, this point is moot. Sonic by the time 4 came out did actually have a bunch of stuff to work with, but if he didn't, make something up. They've done enough of that already.
@Gloop64 Жыл бұрын
Smash 4 walked so ultimate could run. Respect your elders.
@GribbleGob Жыл бұрын
Brawl walked, 4 tripped.
@Gloop64 Жыл бұрын
@@GribbleGob ur the only one tripping dawg
@fabiankrummeich5414 Жыл бұрын
@@GribbleGob Brawl literally tripped
@GribbleGob Жыл бұрын
@@fabiankrummeich5414 and you're parroting the ridiculous idea that tripping ruined the game, i played brawl for years since it came out and tripping was never a problem. a funny mechanic outweighs dozens of bad gameplay choices from Smash 4 lmao.
@fabiankrummeich5414 Жыл бұрын
@@GribbleGob you read very far into my wordplay
@theoverseer393 Жыл бұрын
Smash 64 was my first smash game played, but not owned But somehow I found Smash Brawl and actually was able to buy it. I was fairly young when I played the original, so remembering the name is probably the only thing I was able to glean, and I wasn’t any the wiser
@fruitsnax546 7 ай бұрын
Ssb4 was supposed to get a story mode but sakurai got mad at ppl for leaking brawls story mode so he banned it
@Psyche_TH Ай бұрын
Not even leaking, more like the general concept of the internet existing even after the game released.
@mondopatrick657 Жыл бұрын
though i disagree with a lot of these points,i gotta say, im mad you didnt include the worst part, the part that started the most toxic trait in the franchise… DLC newcomer announcements
@morningbowl3156 Жыл бұрын
“Nintendo please add Sora to Smash” “NOBODY ASKED FOR THIS”
@lamontyaboy718 Жыл бұрын
I think dlc characters is a good concept but it should only be used for REALLY oddball choices. Most of the dlc in this game and ultimate feels like characters that could've and should've already been in the base game. But they were just withholding them to force us to keep paying more money towards the game.
@mondopatrick657 Жыл бұрын
@@morningbowl3156 literally dlc in a nutshell
@mondopatrick657 Жыл бұрын
@@lamontyaboy718 Honestly i hate the execution of DLC, theres no changing it but i hate how broken the characters are when they launch, and how split the community becomes
@morningbowl3156 Жыл бұрын
@@mondopatrick657 “How broken the characters are when they launch” I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure most of the DLC characters have a 0-to-death combo on DK
@theidk4703 Жыл бұрын
I have a lot of memories with smash 4. And we all gotta admit,it’s had a huge legacy on smash. The 3ds version was the first ever handled smash game and the Wii U one was the first ever HD smash game. It was the first smash game to truly break the limits with adding characters. Yeah seeing solid snake and sonic the hedgehog in brawl was mind blowing,but this game truly broke limits with having Mario,sonic,mega man,Pac-Man,ryu and cloud all in the same game for the first time. It’s still one of the most ground breaking games ever because of it. Custom moves were admittedly really broken,but this is still the only smash game to have them. So overall,smash 4 imo,had a lot of great memories (and some very terrible ones admittedly)
@madness9651 Жыл бұрын
This entire videos premise if wrong. Smash 4 was the best Smash. 1. 64 is just small. 2. Melee's metagame relies on a glitch. Sure it has its fans. I'm not one of them. Aside from that it's way too tipple-di-tip controls, moving the characters around just doesn't feel right. 3. For Brawl they fixed the controls, but slowed the game down too much. Subspace Emissary is ridiculously overrated. Was fun playing through once, never collected all trophies with the freaking trophy disc item because that was atrocious. Mediocre plattformer at best, and in that regard the worst I played on Wii, which had plenty of great plattformers. 4. Smash 4 fixed everything, just a really good game. The leap from Brawl in terms of gameplay quality is gigantic. 5. Ultimate is like Smash 4 with added Asia Grinder Gacha stuff to extend time needed to complete the game to disturbing levels - not that it doesn't take 500+ hours for a casual to collect all Trophies, Songs, Milestones and beat all gamemodes with all characters on highest difficulty already, no, now you can also level up your trophies and fight them, and you have to do so multiple times to complete the game. Its just too much. Without DLC you don't even get much new content compared to Smash 4, with all DLC you finally get what should have been the base game. While a fully upgraded Smash Ultimate might be the best title based on content, the leap from its predecessor is small and the price value a disaster! Smash 4 felt best at its time. Amiibo AI was something that really surprised me because I totally expected it to be a shitty gimmick, yet it worked really well.
@kiliandrilltzsch8272 Жыл бұрын
i wish they brought back custom moves back in ultimate
@thechugg4372 Жыл бұрын
@@madness9651 Smash 4 is definitely the best smash, especially because it's a lot more playable than Ultimate's shitty input buffer.
@the757general2 10 ай бұрын
@@madness9651 If you're referring to wavedashing it's not a glitch. The dev team was aware of it during development and left it in. It got removed in Brawl for the same reason tripping was added; to give casuals a better chance at winning.
@clayzulah 5 ай бұрын
Trophies peaked in Melee because they were basically a showcase of what iconic Nintendo characters were going to look like in an exciting post-N64 era of 3D gaming. There was a huge novelty to it that I don't think any of the other Smash games could have recaptured (though they could have tried harder than just throwing a bunch of old assets together and calling it a day)
@Psyche_TH Ай бұрын
It's a matter of perspective. While Melee looked forward, Brawl celebrated the legacies established so far. Melee hyped up the future while Brawl reminisced on the past. Brawl was definitely way bigger on the history aspect, because on top of trophies you had the chronicle and the 'masterpieces' game demos (which, as an aside, if you didn't already know, actually contained the full content of LoZ:OoT with a harsh time limit slapped on so the scope was huge). I think reusing models and presenting them as they were in their original games fits perfectly with that. You're diving into the annals of history. It could be a generational thing. When I played, I had no idea what most of the franchises were and I really appreciated getting to see the variety of graphics that the games industry had gone through; I didn't need or want the trophies to look as up-to-date as possible because that was what the rest of the game, being playable, was for. So I guess what I'm saying is no, they shouldn't have tried harder because you're assuming they were pushing in one direction when they were going another. You say yourself that the other Smash games couldn't have recaptured Melee's novelty in this regard, and clearly they agreed with you so they took a different approach. I'm not sure it's fair to criticise them for not meeting your expectations when you already feel that they were doomed to fail.
@ItsFayko Жыл бұрын
I will forever love the fact that I was able to play Smash in school on my 3ds however, it always did feel like it lasted a lot of magic
@jamesbeighley2257 Жыл бұрын
The ONLY reason to put brawl above smash 4 is subspace and the stage builder, but smash 4 generally has better gameplay which puts it above brawl for me. The single player content is completely lacking in ultimate as well so that's a wash. The main reason 4 is obsolete today is because ultimate is basically just a better version of it. I think we will see this going forward in the smash series where sequels are basically just building off the last version rather than being their own thing.
@franksterprankster9771 7 ай бұрын
No brawl is also above 4 with casual gameplay, has better event modes, better realism, better music, and I can keep going.
@Baconator2558 12 күн бұрын
@@franksterprankster9771Brawl's artstyle is at least questionable, and the majority of Brawl's music is _in_ 4, so I have no clue where you're coming from there.
@ThatFanBoyGuy 11 ай бұрын
This may be a hot take, but prior to Ultimate, this was my favorite iteration of Smash. At the end of the day, fighters are meant to be play multiplayer, so I can forgive the lack of single player. To me, the character roster, especially the detail put into each character, forgives the sins of the rest of it. But I do agree that Melee was the height of trophies.
@KIRB881 5 ай бұрын
Great Cave Offensive makes sense. You cant kill them by percent because you cant get them dead with all the obstacles in the way. Lava is better
@michaeleanthonyjr Жыл бұрын
Anyone who actually considers Smash 4 as two separate games is needlessly overcomplicating things. They're designed to go in tandem with one another. They have the same DLC characters, they are programmed to play identically to the point that Ice Climbers had to be omitted from WiiU Smash because they couldn't be programmed properly on 3DS. They have the same roster with the same move pools and same balance changes between versions. It's like Pokémon Red/Green. We don't consider them as entirely separable packages because they're not designed to be.
@SuperMarioT Жыл бұрын
I can 100% see this channel soar the more the topic coverage structure & editing style is maintained. Great video.
@tristencox5914 Жыл бұрын
The fact that the gamepad was required for the stage builder was so stupid, and since my gamepad's battery stopped working, I couldn't even use it
@renegadeguardian Жыл бұрын
Dear god I always hated Smash 4's title. Like come on, Super Smash Bros for WiiU/3DS? That was really the best they could come up with? How lazy can you be with your game titles?
@WC3fanatic997 7 ай бұрын
At the time I would have to say SB4 had a huge advantage; Smash Bros *_on a handheld._* Yea the Switch is more or less portable, even if not on the same level as the old 3DS, but this was almost ten years ago and I would say that it was *_HUGE_* for that alone. And honestly, for someone who has no more Nintendo consoles after growing up with them all my life, but does have some a couple 3DS lying around, SSB4 is a perfectly acceptable game to have for it. It's actually what got me to use my old 3DS after having it just sitting around for years (after my Ex got it for me, and me never really touching it much because I mostly did PC stuff). "Oh shit, I can play Smash Bros on this! What other games does it have?!" after the start of the year and realizing the eShop was going to close started me on to spending way more money than I should have revamping my 3DS arsenal about ten times over. Nowadays you can get factory sealed new versions for hella cheap; cheaper if you dont care about dirt and a bit of use. $20 for Smash Bros on the go? That sounds pretty good to me.
@Wakapat_YT Жыл бұрын
They should have brought back custom moves for Ultimate
@glowdonk 5 ай бұрын
There's also the problem of a lot of the new characters, including DLC, being either an overhyped clone of another character, or being so busted that they get nerfed to hell
@titusfrederick240 Жыл бұрын
From the competitive tournament scene It holds some of Smash Bros best and most iconic moments, rivalries, and narrative
@PowerRobMusic Жыл бұрын
Yes, the reasons people kept coming back, this dude is complaining about all of the superficial aspects of the game
@lasercraft32 11 ай бұрын
I liked Master Orders... not because the gameplay was especially interesting (though it was certainly more interesting and challenging than any other Wii U mode) but because it was like Master Hand/Crazy Hand was hiring a hitman to go assassinate people! My favorite will always be Dr. Mario with the black palette swap, with all-out attack stats. XD
@rain-jl9zb 10 ай бұрын
lmao thats awesome
@rileyrayburn Жыл бұрын
3:30 holy shit this was my first video game too. Spider-Man and Friends on V-Smile.
@doggifu Жыл бұрын
My man
@SoshiTheYoshi Жыл бұрын
I may be the biggest supporter of smash 4, but I will give you props for wanting Duck Hunt in smash before their inclusion. Duck Hunt is awesome!
@ranpan6082 Жыл бұрын
I do consider Smash 4 the weakest entry, no adventure mode and much of the single player content flat out stinks. I'll always preach for Brawl as the best in the series.
@Masked_Mastermind Жыл бұрын
@@ranpan6082I agree that Smash Wii U’s single player content sucks, but I actually find Smash 3DS’s single player content to be better than Brawl’s. Its Classic mode and All Star mode don’t feel like they drag on and take unnecessarily long to complete unlike with Brawl’s Classic mode and All Star mode, and while I do enjoy the cutscenes in Subspace Emissary, playing through that mode doesn’t feel that fun imo since most of its enemies and areas feel bland, and I find Smash Run to be a lot more enjoyable to play through compared to Subspace Emissary.
@ranpan6082 Жыл бұрын
@@Masked_Mastermind Smash 4's Classic Mode is awful, it feels like nothing but glorified Multi-Man Melee matches. I liked the All-Star mode in Brawl, Smash 4's was super long with all the characters and it stunk that it didn't feel much like an endurance mode when your character is boosted. Isn't the Classic Mode for both Wii U and 3DS the exact same? Smash Run is a good mode, but it's not really single player and having to get multiple people with 3DSs and copies of the game makes it kinda limited. Wish the Wii U version got that instead of Smash Tour. Playing through Subspace Emissary for me was incredible, liked quite a lot of the original enemies. Yeah, the areas were a little bland, but the mode itself is just very unique because I don't think we'll ever get anything like it again.
@Masked_Mastermind Жыл бұрын
@@ranpan6082 Did you even watch the video? Smash 3DS’s Classic mode is completely different from Smash Wii U’s Classic mode and it’s a lot better than Smash Wii U’s Classic mode, and it only feels like a glorified Multi-Man Melee in the Wii U version’s Classic mode. Your character is also boosted in Brawl’s All Star mode which makes it really easy to KO your opponents, except that it takes longer to complete in Brawl since there’s more rounds that you have to go through in Brawl’s All Star mode whereas Smash 4’s All Star mode only has about 6 rounds and they go by quickly to prevent it from feeling too long. Also Smash Run IS a single player mode since you’re able to play it by yourself against a bunch of CPUs, and playing with other people is only optional just like how it’s optional to play with another person in All Star mode.
@ranpan6082 Жыл бұрын
@@Masked_Mastermind My bad. I forgot about it. I guess I forgot about it and thought they both had the same Classic Mode. But given I barely remember the 3DS Classic Mode, I think that says my opinion of the mode right there. Not irredeemable, but very forgettable compared to Melee and Brawl's. I felt Smash 4's All-Star mode was pretty tedious and I've gone through and completed All-Star on Melee and Brawl with all characters. It might be, but it's very limited in some aspects and trapped on the "inferior" version of Smash 4. This mode should've been in the Wii U version as well. I'll tell you about my experience with the game. When I found out Sakurai was making a followup to Brawl, I was hyped and spent the better part of three years waiting for the game to be released. Brawl is one of my favorite games of all time, I had high expectations for this game when it came out. And then it came out, I played it and after unlocking all the characters and stages, beat all the event matches, I put the game down and never touched it again. I didn't bother with the DLC. I just didn't care. Horrible single player modes, no adventure mode, a very weak selection of new stages that weren't that good to play on/or were ruined by stage hazards that you couldn't turn off, useless and pointless collectibles. It ended up becoming one of the most disappointing games I've ever played.
@kindasomeviews Жыл бұрын
Say what you will about Smash 4, imo it still had the most hype behind it for new characters. Everyone on the planet remembers Etika's (god rest his soul) reaction to Mewtwo and how nuts it was to have Cloud revealed. Im not a thematics type of type of guy; I have the most fun with abusing bullshit. Lord knows i abused tf out of the Crazy Hand rewards for the best loots ever with the home-run bat and Megaman's leaf shield grab to rob everyone's stocks, The Baeyo exploit for Trophy Rush with her N-Air is hilariously busted x)) But yeah i'll take this any day over Smash Ult's "oh you air dodged down off stage? ded"
@marcdimartino9118 Жыл бұрын
I know the Switch deserved a Smash game ASAP, but I feel everyone could have used just another year or two before Ultimate hype, because Smash 4 hype was truly something else.
@LloydTheZephyrian Жыл бұрын
@@marcdimartino9118 Bayo did kinda kill a lot of the conpetitive hype for Smash 4. I believe EVO 2018 Grand Finals had both players just hold charged neutral b for the first 2 minutes.
@marcdimartino9118 Жыл бұрын
@@LloydTheZephyrian Far from the days of Zero's Diddy Kong vs. Seagull Joe's Sonic 😭
@AbruptAvalanche Жыл бұрын
32:49 I think you're giving the devs too much credit. Multiple players online in one giant map? Maaaybe that would've been too hard to implement. But I don't see any technical reason why they couldn't have made other maps or had online multiplayer for the final battle portion.
@theturtleking2454 Жыл бұрын
Seems like all the problems you had with stages were solely with the Wii U version. 3ds version really didn’t have most of those problems you mentioned so it’s probably why I remember it so fondly
@espurrseyes42 Жыл бұрын
The 3DS version is a primary reason for why the Wii U version had its issues since there's no reason that stuff couldn't have been on the console version. Nevermind the unnecessary roster cuts that only happened because the 3DS couldn't handle transforming characters. The 3DS held back the Wii U.
@jonahdewitt2158 Жыл бұрын
@@espurrseyes42 Honestly I'm grateful for that. I never liked the transforming characters. I much prefer them being separate. I still miss solo charizard with rock smash. Surprisingly, the only transforming character I have ever liked was mythra/pyra, because the duo complement each other so well, it actually feels like you have to use both of them, instead of just using the one half of a transforming character that you like.
@kingstarscream3807 Жыл бұрын
@@espurrseyes42 The roster cuts were a good thing. Pkmn trainer is a dumb character and should be split up.
@espurrseyes42 Жыл бұрын
@@kingstarscream3807 L
@GribbleGob Жыл бұрын
@@espurrseyes42 all three starters would benefit for not sharing a slot and being tweaked and improved separately.
@klxo14 Жыл бұрын
The trophy descriptions were bad compared to brawl and melee.
@gatolf2 11 ай бұрын
Not saying I disagree with this video but when smash 4 came out and for most of its life, everyone talked about how brawl sucked. The only thing praised about brawl was the story mode… now that ultimate is out, we’re acting like we hated smash 4.
@Psyche_TH Ай бұрын
It's different groups of people talking. Smash as a series and as a franchise has always been a family-friendly party game first and foremost. The people that enjoyed Brawl most were kids too young or protected to be on the internet and their parents that never really gave a damn in the first place as long as it made their loved ones happy. The people that hated Brawl the most were teenagers and young adults whom the game wasn't really for who took the whole thing way too seriously and/or just wanted to be negative about something to seem a bit cool or more in with a group that already had the opinion. The children that rightly loved the game have grown up now and can speak in defence of it when they couldn't before, and the YAs that tried to tear it to shreds are out of their emo phases and more willing to admit that maybe the real reason Meta Knight and tripping seemed like such a big deal was because they were deliberately treating the game oppositely to its intended purpose by trying to crush the enemy at all costs instead of just trying to have fun. More or less the same thing can be said of Sm4sh, although the criticism is generally more justified because while the developers had poured so much into the impressive technical aspects of fitting a Smash game onto a handheld or supporting up to eight players in one match they'd overlooked the substance of what makes the game fun to pick up and play to begin with. I'm sure in a few years you'll see more people warm up to how party-/local multiplayer-centric Sm4sh was, or fond narratives of how cool it was that they could bring (or sneak) their 3DSs into school to fight their friends on a more-or-less daily basis and maybe even a mention here and there that the way they dealt with Bayonetta was to not be an insufferable nuisance while playing her or just agreeing she was unfun and not using her at all. It's honestly only the competitive scene and 'serious' players that try to make any of the Smash games look bad and then perpetuate those ideas, which leads to videos like these, but that of course makes sense because you're unlikely to become a successful content creator by making videos for casual fans of some IP as by definition those fans aren't going to be seeking out your content.
@drungaodys5610 7 ай бұрын
okay but smash bros 64 has no collection, almost no gamemodes, a small character and stage banner and bad graphics smh,,,,,,,
@dralinkushinen 11 ай бұрын
This one made realize so hard just how terrible my entry into video games really was. My first Smash Bros game was Smash for 3DS, my first Paper Mario game was Sticker Star, my first proper LoZ experience was that of Hyrule Warriors (technically Phantom Hourglass came before, but i was a dumb child back them and didn't know what quality is), my first Kirby game was Triple Deluxe (not saying it's bad, but it could have been better), my first Sonic game was Lost World (3DS!), and i know there are more examples, but i can't recall them all right now. Damn....
@jackstar7204 8 ай бұрын
TBF I actually found Sticker Star very fun
@bartsneezin 7 ай бұрын
Nintendo had a pretty miserable software output from 2011-2016, so I feel bad for all the kids who spent the one part of their lives where they had time to burn on games, but burned that time on some of the most mid software in the company's history.
@FedoraKirb 6 ай бұрын
I honestly feel that Triple Deluxe is a pretty great first entry, but to each their own.
@FedoraKirb 6 ай бұрын
@@bartsneezinLol, I’m kids from 2011-2016, that was the latter part of my pre-teen years. Funnily enough, this is the era where I actually got MORE invested in Nintendo, and discovered things like Nintendo Directs. Kirby: Planet Robobot was far and away the best game in the series at the time of its release imo, and is still an easy top 3 title in the franchise, 3D World was a solid game that I still like to revisit just a bit more than Odyssey, Smash 4 was pretty great (even if obsolete now due to Ultimate), Rhythm Heaven Megamix was the ultimate Rhythm Heaven game, and we got one of if not arguably the best Mario Kart game in 8 (besides the Battle Mode). I wasn’t into Zelda at the time but that’s also when we got Link Between Worlds and the N64 remakes. Also Pokemon Black and White and their sequels came out in this time, which are definitely up there as part of the franchise’s peak. Definitely not Nintendo’s greatest era on the whole, but the 8th Generation of Video Games wasn’t ALL bad for Nintendo and there were definitely plenty of gems.
@bartsneezin 6 ай бұрын
@@FedoraKirb it wasn't terrible, but the volume of titles at the quality you listed here was like a downpour in the 6th (GBA and Gamecube) and 7th (wii and DS) generations. The 8th generation was like a sprinkler. There were also many worst-in-franchise games that gen, like Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival, Paper Mario Sticker Star, Starfox Zero, Metroid Prime Federation Force, Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity, Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam, Mario Party 10, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, Yoshi's New Island, China Robo Ziplash, Mario and Sonic Rio 2016, Wii Sports Club, and so on. Even if other gens only had a handful more S-tier titles than 8th gen did, no gen in nintendo's history had that many high profile flops
@baritonetenor 11 ай бұрын
I discovered ur videos today and honestly I think its really well done, funny, interesting and opinionated while well argued. Perfect kind of content to just have on and enjoy. Well worth the sub!
@SAClassHunterZero 7 ай бұрын
As someone who collected every special move without hacking, let me give you one piece of advice: Don't collect special moves without hacking. Why? D U P L I C A T E S. That's right: Duplicates. You can get the same moves over and over again, which means that the probability of getting new ones goes DOWN every time you get a new one. This is a hell that only Sakurai could make. That being said, the mod 'Smash Rebuffed' did an excellent job of trying to balance and revitalize every custom move in the game, and I highly recommend checking it out.
@canyontheman 6 ай бұрын
as someone who literally only ever uses mega man and little mac, i LOVED the custom moves and parts because it was just cool to see new mega man abilities that all referenced the games, and it was so much fun to turn little mac into a literal one hit ko machine
@anthonyoliver418 Жыл бұрын
Even though they might not be the best, smash run and custom move made me buy the 3DS version after ultimate came out!
@PrinceSamTV Жыл бұрын
I’m so sick of the smash 4 slander, as if 64 belongs anywhere other than the GARBAGE.
@FlyingShadow11 Жыл бұрын
smash 4 does have a redeeming factor.. the alternate move sets
@supermaximglitchy1 Жыл бұрын
smash4 wiiU has a stage creator while 3ds has smash run I expected sakurai to bring both of them back in ultimate because, the name ‘ultimate’
@spaceylogan4846 Жыл бұрын
Wii U had smash tour, 3ds had Smash run Agreed, I'd like to see those return as well
@AkameGaKillfan777 Жыл бұрын
Smash 4's stage builder was a pretty big step down from Brawl's. There were a lot less shapes and objects you could place and they expected you to just draw a bunch of platforms instead.
@seasaltcosmos Жыл бұрын
i don't know if it's just my copy of the game and i didn't realize when i got it, but back when i got smash 4 the characters were just...all unlocked??? and that really took the enthusiasm out of it for me. and the color schemes would change without my input whenever i'd start a round which bothered the fuck out of 14 year old me >:( again, it could just be some weird setting i didn't realize at the time. can someone tell me if it was just save data leftover in my copy or if that's actually how the game ran?
@wolfetteplays8894 7 ай бұрын
That was just your copy
@seasaltcosmos 6 ай бұрын
@@wolfetteplays8894 thank GOD
@PeruvianPotato 2 ай бұрын
That was just your copy but the actual method of unlocking them wasn't any more compelling
@1MrLGreenThunder 7 ай бұрын
Damn you skipped the best smash 3ds function. Using it as a controller for wii u
@blackdot105 Жыл бұрын
I miss custom moves. Could have been great.
@fezthedracky8468 Жыл бұрын
Playing random customs was a super fun time, you'd have no idea what you had until you really needed it and it was a dice roll on if you need it. I remember doing a MK ladder that would've killed with 2/3 of the up specials, but I rolled Lazy Shuttle Loop, and lost my life for it and smoothing will ever top that experience to me
@marzipancutter8144 Жыл бұрын
Smash 4 had the single best implemented custom system between all games. Effects actually had tradeoffs, the power ceiling was limited, you could play most custom sets against standard characters and still have it somewhat balanced... and you could use customs without jacking up the stats altogether. The Ultimate Spirits are so centralized around stats, that everything else seems just for show. It doesn't matter that you can improve your fastfall if your enemy only does 2.25% with a smash and you can jab them for 60%, and you can't even use Spirits without them.
@reynochavier6297 Жыл бұрын
I really took for granted how I could play smash run with my gamer group at breakfast and lunch back while I was in school . Was nothing short of fun with others.
@wolfetteplays8894 7 ай бұрын
Same
@sophitiaofhyrule 7 ай бұрын
The 3DS version is better than the Wii U version imo
@nuzzlx 7 ай бұрын
I wish Smash Run was in both modes, but I can kinda understand why it didnt make it to Wii U, split screen Smash Run would probably be hell. Though, ig this could've been circumvented by maybe letting players take turns roaming the stage. But, that would also probably wreck the pacing of the mode, plus, you wouldn't be able to run into other players in the stage. Online Smash Run coulda been something, coulda been real cool. But I would never trust Nintendo with handling a specific mode like that just for online, since, we all know how good Nintendo games are at being played online...
@kevinguimond7711 7 күн бұрын
There was a time when I was in college in 2014, where I would come home from my classes in the morning, sit on my bed, and play classic mode on Smash for the 3ds, good memories. But then the wii u version came out, and I wanted to buy it to play with others, so I didn't want to have two versions of the same game, so I sold my nicely designed Super Smash Bros 3DS. But that's all the wii u version was ever used for, playing with other people. The wii u version never offered any incentive to play alone. After sitting on my shelf for years, untouched especially since Ultimate had existed at this point, I finally sold it. An obsolete title now with nothing to make it worth hanging on to. I'll remember the good days of playing on the 3ds, but this game sure felt hollow once I got rid of that version.
@micahfurlow2624 7 күн бұрын
Yeeeeah, it's a pretty shallow solo experience (and even when I was 9, me and my little brother both agreed that the game had little to no good single player content) It was very fun multiplayer since custom moves/miis/amiibos made it fun to play around with, but if I ever wanted anything more single player focused I just played another game on the Wii U.
@AbruptAvalanche Жыл бұрын
This about sums up my feelings toward Smash 4. Just kinda soulless with no reason to return to it. Custom moves are the closest thing it has to an identity if you ask me. It was a really cool idea, but they were unnecessarily painful to unlock, cumbersome to swap out, and often uninspired and unbalanced. Btw, I would take Brawl's style break the targets over Smash 4's Angry Birds shit any day.
@2thezaza Жыл бұрын
I loved smash 4 so much for so many years
@gasparguruoftime5475 Жыл бұрын
I just like how Smash 4 plays the most. Ultimate having the worst input lag in the series coupled with the buffer system make me not enjoy playing it as much. Smash 4 plays nice and smooth. And I don’t care what features Brawl has if it feels like trash to play.
@alface935 11 ай бұрын
20:35 Now wait a minute... that is just Angry Birds it even have the materials fall with gravity after their material below is removed
@sophitiaofhyrule 7 ай бұрын
I will forever be mad at Ultimate for getting rid of trophies. They replaced the ability to look at 3D models of characters with... images. I cannot even begin to describe how LAME that is. Unlike Brawl, I rarely if ever play Ultimate solo because I don't give a crap about unlocking "spirits". It's baffling to me that they made the entire game revolve around what is basically the stickers from Brawl, a feature no one liked, but all of a sudden when you call them "spirits" it's okay? It's so lazy.
@ragnaricstudios5888 16 күн бұрын
Sakurai stated they were super hard to make and not exactly popular, and spirits are supposed to be like the characters helping you in the fight
@milliethesillie 6 ай бұрын
if you hear them saying soulless in the first five seconds then you know you're in for a braindead take
@Fuk99999 Жыл бұрын
Smash 4’s substance issue carried into Ultimate. All they did was improve general gameplay and then axe more game modes.
@mondopatrick657 Жыл бұрын
fr, they def did it in favor of the huge roster and balance but in my opinion it was a terrible trade off, as the game is far less replayable and fun
@davismorganmusic Жыл бұрын
They also added more characters than have ever been in a Smash game… the whole “ultimate is lazy” idea has never made sense to me. World of light was a giant addition as well. Also, every classic mode was a unique, thematic series of fights instead of the same things over and over again. Calling ultimate a Smash 4 with less substance is completely ridiculous.
@MetalGearRob7 Жыл бұрын
Ultimate is awesome. Not perfect but damn. People are whiny.
@MetalGearRob7 Жыл бұрын
Ultimate while yes removed or changed some things everything that Ultimate added makes it the best it's not even a debate.
@solarflare9078 Жыл бұрын
@@davismorganmusic They've added more characters in every Smash game. Not really something impressive to note honestly. Also, a good amount of animations and sometimes models (most are at least different) are reused from Smash 4 due to similar hardware specs sooooo
@terrariku2010 7 ай бұрын
Power Vision is still king and I wish Shulk's counter always worked like it. Extreme stale move effect on it that affects the counter window, punishing you for messing it up very hard very fast. But the initial counter without staleness has a slightly wider window than usual, and the counter hits crazy hard.
@bopitfan04 2 ай бұрын
I think it would be cool if All Star Mode in the modern smash games was broken up into multiple gauntlets for each respective smash entry, with each gauntlet containing only the newcomers from each entry (and maybe a notable boss from each game?)
@VioletNova217 Жыл бұрын
Wait- You could do smash run with other players???
@yoshitheorbit1118 Жыл бұрын
I still don't understand why some custom moves are significantly more difficult to obtain that others; they could have just to beat the classic mode with a specific character and once you played as that character in a handful of fights to know how it is, you now get access to the custom moves to see other alternatives to special moves that fit you more.
@echospace7347 Жыл бұрын
Crazy orders was sick
@aroma1620 Жыл бұрын
Im still sad that 3ds Rainbow road and Pacman stage never made it to ultimate. 😢
@Mister_Awesome Жыл бұрын
Just subscribed, loved the video kept me engaged throughout the whole thing.
@Geneolgia Жыл бұрын
Looking back the 3DS version stands better by itself, not only it was the first handheld Smash game but Smash Run is one of the best modes of the franchise, you can easily spend hours and hours customizing your characters for this mode alone and is one of the better ways to play with people of any skill level, also this version of the game has a Classic Mode with alternate paths, something that needs to come back. If we consider all the unique trophies and arguably a better selection of stages the game is chokefull of content for a portable installment, imo Smash for 3DS has aged a lot better than its console counterpart, maybe it's not the ideal system for competitive play but when it comes to play for fun it really shines despite limitations.
@jaydenc367 Жыл бұрын
I agree it has the the better classic mode and smash run but other then that Smash 4 is better and has unique trophies, and just a good selection of stages, stage maker, 8 player smash, special orders, all star mode etc, imo Smash for Wii U aged just as well.
@Geneolgia Жыл бұрын
@@jaydenc367 Yeah, maybe I'm biased because I never had a Wii U but still played the Wii U version and the 8 player mode was definitely a lot of fun.
@marcdimartino9118 Жыл бұрын
This is the comment I was looking for. I agree 100%. I haven't played Ultimate in two years. I haven't played 4 Wii U in an even longer time. You know what I have played? Smash 3DS. Something about it, probably Smash Run, keeps me coming back every few months. I leave my 3DS on my nightstand, and I play a few rounds before bed. It didn't get everything right, but it got a lot right- a lot more than 4 Wii U. As for Ultimate... let's just say it doesn't have PacMaze.
@AkameGaKillfan777 Жыл бұрын
The 3DS version has less stages than Brawl without DLC, not all of which are new. The Mario Maker stage was exclusive to the Wii U version.
@marcdimartino9118 Жыл бұрын
@@AkameGaKillfan777 The 3DS version DOES have the Mario Maker Stage.
@MarioLuigi25 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I still love Smash 4. Yeah, it does feel hollow compared to the other entries in the series. But I still had a lot of fun with it. It gave me some of my favorite characters in the series like Mega Man, Bayonetta and Rosalina just to name a few. And some of the custom moves are actually really good like Mega Man’s Beat recovery and DK’s Hot Hand Slap
@Typi 11 ай бұрын
As I like to say about the Fire Emblem situation with the fighters... People werent upset about more Anime Sword Fighters getting in. They were mad that THEIR anime sword fighter didnt get it.
@Pau31076 7 ай бұрын
Played 200+ hours of smash run and unlocked all the custom moves there. I was so upset over the fact that smash tour replaced it on the wii u version
@Mr__Jack Жыл бұрын
I’ll never understand people calling 4 the worst Smash. From a gameplay perspective, it was a huge step up from Brawl. The roster was also the first time Smash got really crazy with it’s picks. This game gave us Cloud Strife, a character that people really forget just how insane he was when he was added. Despite being from one of the most popular games ever released, nobody wanted Cloud because the idea of wanting Cloud in Smash was laughable. That’s how impossible he was. Smash 4 is the reason why Ultimate’s hype train was so ridiculous. Picks like Cloud paved the way for Banjo, K. Rool, and Sora. Smash 4 is easily one of the most overhated games in existence.
@anothenblue2630 Жыл бұрын
It's obsolete now. What it was like back in its time is no longer important because now you have same game, but mostly better. Only nerds care about legacy aspect that much, but you don't play a game for that, you play it to...play the game. You don't look at a horse carriage and go "well, it was very vital back in the day," you either get a car or you're there for a romantic trip.
@SoleilPhoenix Жыл бұрын
Indeed, brawl is way worse
@Mr__Jack Жыл бұрын
@@anothenblue2630 And Brawl ISN'T obsolete? And it being obsolete doesn't make it a bad game. Just because something was improved upon, doesn't mean that the original product is bad. The only thing Brawl did better than 4 was Subspace, which itself is INCREDIBLY overrated and nowhere near as good as you remember it being. What else is there to go back to Brawl for? And, no Project M/+ doesn't count since that's a completely different game. I'm talking Vanilla Brawl.
@anothenblue2630 Жыл бұрын
@@Mr__Jack a lot of people like SSE for whatever reason, they have a reason to go back to it. I agree that it's overrated and I personally hate it for a number of reasons, but it's still way more than 4 can say aside from Smash Run, which is way better, but it's on the inferior version of the game.
@RainLion10 2 ай бұрын
@@anothenblue2630 I liked Playing Smash Tour on Smash for Wii U, soo.. I also liked using the custom moves
@Kmn483 Жыл бұрын
Smash 4 toned down the ultra-competitiveness and too-casualness, which were both Melee's and Brawl's weakpoints. Even if Smash 4 didn't do anything special, it did that right, which is enough to make me go to it rather than the two prior titles. And smash 1 basically doesn't even exist as a Smash game imo. That hitstun is just unplayable. Yes, Brawl had an amazing story mode and Melee was great if you liked to play sweaty, but until Ultimate came out, Smash 4 was the most well-rounded game in the series. Even if Ultimate replaced it in basically every way, I don't think that makes Smash 4 the worst in the series. I am NOT touching 1 or brawl.
@kingstarscream3807 Жыл бұрын
Were you even alive in the 90s?
@Kmn483 Жыл бұрын
@@kingstarscream3807 I was born in 1995. Melee was my first (and by far most-played) smash.
@jackgibson511 11 ай бұрын
I remember playing this game at my cousins house with 8 players not know how to play and always choosing toon link
@worldof2ndfluteclarinet353 6 ай бұрын
3:30 You just unlocked a core memory for me. What was the name of that game
@Carls493 Жыл бұрын
I did really enjoy Smash 4 when it was the current game, but I agree that there really isn't much to go back to with it, and when Ultimate came out, I was more than ready to move on from it. I'm even shocked that there are some people out there trying to claim that it's better than Ultimate for whatever reason.
@moonraker5846 11 ай бұрын
Smash 4 better than ultimate for NOSTALGIA ❤
@fluffdafire157 Жыл бұрын
I agree that the fire emblem hate is a little overdone but I do wish we would get another archetype in fire emblem like the caster or axe wielders
@alexanderallison584 Жыл бұрын
I'm of the opinion that if we're getting a fire emblem rep in the next game it should be Hector
@fluffdafire157 Жыл бұрын
@@alexanderallison584 yes
@famine.5402 Жыл бұрын
yeah to me fire emblem isnt so much the issue but that swords just feel overdone, like id love an axe lord like edelgard or hector, or a lance lord like dimitri or ephraim but its just sword after sword. 3H lords are unlikely now though due to byleth
@fluffdafire157 Жыл бұрын
@@famine.5402 Honestly I want a mage like Soren ( mainly cause his attitude cracks me up for some reason)
@LloydTheZephyrian Жыл бұрын
Is Robin not enough of a caster?
@AnimusPrime87 8 ай бұрын
I’m gonna save a lot of people a lot of time. This video is a fine discourse about design choices in smash 4 but it is from the perspective of a casual player considering stage options and game modes and configurations that are not conducive to tournament style play which is what I clicked the video for. It’s a great video, the guy is not wrong about his criticisms, but they are not relevant to me specifically. in terms of gameplay mechanics and character selection on your basic tournament viable stages, the game is still phenomenal and I would still argue one of the better ones in the series. But most of this guys complaints are legitimate. The great cave offensive is an abomination and I have never played on it.
@KirbyUber 7 ай бұрын
My take on stages is a little different. I actually don't mind stupid stages for the most part, (maybe except 75m...) as "OK let's load up with 8 players all items and be stupid" kinda stages, I think the real issue is how small that stage select is, like it looks pretty darn small looking at it post-ultimate. It may not have been bad for the time but when you combine it with all the nutty stages they added that means a lack of less dumb stages to have more serious fights on. IMO extra options don't hurt cause you can leave 'em if you don't like them. However when they replace other options then it stings. My pie in the sky idea is I want them to have every stage, just like they have every character now. Heck some sort of clever system to do those trophy fight stages (like rendering spirits into surfaces?) would be sick too, win a fight there to win the right to play on it with mates? I know that last one's a stretch ^^;
@noirlavender6409 11 ай бұрын
Bayonetta was very strong but not as strong or stronger than brawl's mk or ultimate's steve, mk and steve don't play by the same rules as every other character, but Bayo's was aided heavily by the shitty physics and knockback speed making her 0 to death combos extremely easy to perform and only a few characters could escape them (mk is the only character who can avoid brawls tripping mechanic and benefits inmensely of the lack of true combos, steve can 0 to 90% anyone with extreme ease, can put blocks to prevent people from recovery, is the only character that can put up walls and force approaches, has the best and most versatile recovery in the game and is the only character that can reset his ledge invincibility and punish you for trying to contest it)
@artimist0315 Жыл бұрын
I have to say, when I played Smash 4 3DS, smash Run was the game. At least until I got into competitive, I only played this mode and absolutely loved it. You have so many unic enemies to battle, it's quick, surprisingly the most replayable game mode in smash and a lot of fun. Honestly 3DS is the better version if you don't count the hardware. It has way better stages, better modes, and just feel more complete of an experience than Wii U.
@coldsnap5742 7 ай бұрын
I used to know a guy who insisted on calling Smash Ultimate "Smash U," even though absolutely everyone else used "Smash U" to refer to the Wii U game. Maybe that was Oliver Grant.
@blackrapier713 6 ай бұрын
I genuinely enjoyed Smash run and I'm disappointed that it didn't return in Ult.
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