A 48 minute and 48 seconds rant about how you dont care about something, god I love this channel.

This is even funnier now with tears of the kingdom's story

I love being a casual Zelda fan, means I can sit back a watch the fun.

Dude, you have become one of my favorite youtubers. For two reasons, 1. You are straight up hilarious, 2. Your discussions and the way you view video games, it is casual but well thought out at the same time. I really hope and pray that your channel grows!

16:24 Can that song be the norm for whenever you get pissed off and start ranting? I laugh every time I hear it now.

This is a total cop-out, but the way I see it, it is called the "legend" of Zelda. It's just the same basic story being told by different people. Much like how actual legends often get warped to barely resemble how the events actually occurred.

Then there is Metroid, where the only problem with the timeline is that Metroid Other M is canon because of Sakamoto.

I remember when you had 500 subs man. Good job! Hope you keep growing

This video had me laughing my ass off at how much the whole fan made timeline winds you up. Well thought out and well told and has earned a well deserved sub from me. I can't wait to go through the rest of your content after watching this.

First of all what the fuck? Second of all why did they do this?

I need a sequel to this

4:00 Oh, believe me. There are people who have their own theories about the Mario universe. ranging from timelines, the series being all but a play, movies, TV shows, Books to different Dimentions. I've even got into discussions with people about the Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi games. where they believe Sticker Star and Color SPlash take place in the Book from Paper Jam while the first 3 games take place in the main series along with the Mario and Luigi series.

How does your voice survive these videos?

I actually think Mario has a sort of vague timeline, but it doesn't really matter. I think the cool thing about Zelda games is that they can all sort of fit in a timeline, but at the end of the day they are all sort of just re-tellings of the same story. The same "Legend". And thats really cool to me.

I noticed something, All of the people who freak out if there is something in two different timelines never really noticed how Tingle is in both Majoras mask and Wind Waker. No one better say that reincarnation BS

The thing about timelines is that everything has to fit together, and if anything breaks the continuity, no matter how seemingly minor, the timeline doesn't work. In the case of split timelines, one thing not working might break one timeline but not the others, like how the Triforce splitting in OoT is consistent with WW but not ALttP. But the Zelda Timeline as a whole has so many inconsistencies that almost nothing works, even within split timelines. Great video by the way.

Thank god Metroid Timeline is 100% confirmed by Nintendo themselves.

But was Zelda right? Does she REALLY have the triforce of wisdom? I mean, Link solves all the puzzles, becomes a veteran of a multitude of items, and takes up the "master" sword. He clearly is the one using wisdom.

Pokemon Timeline: Just a puzzle gotta look at dem context clues we learned in school m8s. Zelda Timeline: Probably like Pokemon right? RIGHT?

I don't understand why people can't just accept that each game is it's own game and story unless otherwise specified 🙄🙄

I mean this series is called the LEGEND of Zelda. “Legend” as in a story from the past that is believed by many people but cannot be proven to be true. “Link”, the main hero, is basically like an actual link, as in a connection. A connection to create different interpretations of the legends of Hyrule. All the Legends are not set in stone (even if Nintendo attempted to do that with the Hyrule Historia). But they are different stories told in different interpretations. Much like how a rumor can spread from one person to the next, but after about 10 or 20 different people pass down the same rumor, it begins to be interpreted differently. The point is Legends and stories, much like Zelda, are passed down from generation to generation, and can, and will, be interpreted differently depending on how someone sees the Legend of Zelda.

Love to rewatch

I kind of knew that the timeline was bullshit the second the developers gave a non-answer to Breath of the Wild's placement in it yeah they said it would ruin fans fun or creativity trying to stick it to a timeline but I know what they really meant is "We don't give a shit, you fans can argue about this game's connections and it's continuity in realtion to the other games in the series that came before by yourselves, we're not dealing with this bullcrap!"

I do share the idea that Zelda didn't need a timeline at all... even if I like the idea where Link failed once in the past so you see Hyrule's downfall. they even retconned the Wise Men to the Seven Sage in the GBA remake of AlttP. Anyway I see that many SNES game are pretty much remakes of their NES counterpart (Super Castlevania IV could've been just the first Castlevania retold and Super Metroid shares a lot with the first game)

21:41 the solution here is time spent in the future is time spent in the past he doesn’t go back to before he drew it he goes back the amount of time he was in the future that’s why he can go back there open a chest go to the future come back, and the chest will still be open, and he can’t go back until doing the first dungeon as an adult or at least for a little while haven’t played in a long time, so can’t remember exactly details, but sheik blocks you for a while. And for twilight princess at the end of the game, Zelda uses the ocarina of time to send link to before he pulled the sword, and he warns Zelda and the kingdom about Ganon but because he had the triforce of courage when he went back in time, it caused the triforce to split, in the child era gifting it to link Zelda and Ganon again but he didn’t know this until the execution because it automatically saved him. He did not know he had it before then.

This is exactly how I've always felt about it. There never was a Zelda timeline. It's just a bunch of games with awesome puzzle dungeons and loosely similar characters and stories. THANK YOU

How does this man not have more subs

I couldn't care less about the Zelda timeline. All that matters to me is playing great games. A timeline, in my opinion implies that the series has an end, something which I hate to think about. It will never end. Zelda does not need a timeline to be enjoyed. Nintendo did not think much about a timeline when they did Zelda, and that's all good. The Legend of Zelda is a game series which I really enjoy and the good thing about it is that you don't have to play other Zelda games to enjoy one you want to play. The Legend of Zelda games do not need to be connected to one another. There does not need to be an overarching story. The whole discussion about the Zelda timeline is silly

Oh gosh this channel is fucking insane! You make such an incredible, well researched content! I just found your channel yesterday and watched nearly every video. Please don't stop this, you are doing a great job!

It's like people don't know that stand-alone sequels exist.

My take on tp, is that the triforce itself is not affected by time travel. Just as you said about the multiple universes i.e. being a parallel universe that is the secret room. Gannon Dorf would be oblivious to that he has the tri-force of power because it chose him in the past because of him obtaining it in the future. Long story short if ganondad obtained the tfp in the future and the sacred realm is not affected by the hylian planets time travel, then the triforce of power can choose him from any time.

I don't care how small your channel is. It's really hilarious.

Why can't Majora's Mask fit between Ocarina of Time and WindWaker? While Link was away in Terrmina, wouldn't it makes sense that something bad happened without the hero and that the gods would flood Hyrule at that time?

This is now my favorite video on KZfaq.

The only real timeline includes the cartoon from the 80s and the CDI games.

I'm so fucking confused right now Seems like this shit works out if you treat it like Final Fantasy. Some games are connected while others are just soft reboots with their own stuff going on. Works for me. Much simpler that way.

I think just calling them all legends makes a lot more sense, what do you even need a timeline for? If you think of the games as legends rather than timelines things make a lot more sense and are far less of a headache.

I completely agree with everything you said in this video. Hopefully when the next Zelda game rolls around, we can just lie back and enjoy the game by its own merits.

Dude! I love watching videos, reading the books and playing through the games in 'chronological' order, but I am totally with you, I have a head canon of the timeline and totally don't care what anyone else thinks... at least not enough to angry about it. Found this after finding your 'reviews' of the games, awesome videos!

What about the zelda for the CD-i (:

Theory: Since all games following BotW seem to be set in the same world, and since that world contains names and references to most or all previous games, I would theorize that the world of BotW is the real world, and the other games are just retellings of an ancient legend - maybe the events of 10,000 years ago - by various people from various races and generations that all live in BotW's Hyrule. Similarities are more accurate recountings of events and inconsistencies are gaps of knowledge being filled in with what sounds good. Names of places in BotW may be based on stories, or vice versa. Perhaps the events of Skyward Sword are real, and the other games are retellings of that story by later generations. Wind Waker could be a Hylian retelling of a Rito story, which would explain why the Rito appear in that game but look more Hylian than their BotW appearance. Minish Cap could be a story or derived from a story told by a grandfather to his grandchildren, whose imaginary friends were miniature people.

As a not Zelda fan yet, I always thought growing up that the series was a bunch of serial mythos, like literally everything else Nintendo lol. Zelda is about saving Zelda and being a chosen one and beating an evil wizard guy. Mario is about saving peach and beating an evil oni turtle villain. Metroid is about shooting enemies in a space themed level. Pokémon is about battling enemy Pokémon. Pretty much every game for the first twenty years of videogames did this bc videogame hardware sucked in comparison to even tech at that time. I literally had no other impression about games until all the timeline conversations lately. Even Pokémon had a few years of obsession with it, even though it was kinda obvious your trainer from two different games were two different people even if you linked them. Annoying as it is sometimes, it’s the myth. It’s like all the spin offs of Greek mythology even to this day. Which kinda bleeds into a discussion for another day about what pieces of a story make it a spin off of a myth, one among a group of myths, and what pieces are just aesthetic or window dressing.

I use to be one of those poor fools that tried piecing Together all the Zelda games into a Timeline, in Retrospect I only knew of the Zelda Timeline cause it was part of that old Zelda Retrospective that use to be up on the now Defunct Gametrailers website. For whatever reason they decided to make the Zelda Timeline part of there Retrospective, and I often feel Gametrailers and the (Angry Video Game Nerd Chronologically Confused about the Zelda Timeline episode that was made in response to the Zelda Timeline Craze that Gametrailer's unintentionally started) are the reason that the Topic of the Zelda timeline was even a thing. I mean I don't recall anyone discussing the Zelda games connecting into a Timeline before that Gametrailers Video, and I didn't give it much thought before then. After Zelda released the official timeline, I was not happy with the Answer, I was angry at first, but in the years following the official timeline made me realize that Zelda never needed to have a Timeline, and even with the quote on quote official Timeline, I chose not to believe in it now. I realize now it was foolish to ever try and put these games into a Timeline. Final Fantasy doesn't have a Timeline, and neither does Dragon Quest, Shin Megami Tensai, Kirby, Mario, F-Zero, and the Majority of other Japanese Video Game franchises. Playing around with Continuity and retconning old story conventions to try new things is quite common in Japanese pop Culture, it's happened with Dragon Ball, One Piece, Fullmetal Alchemist, and several other animes, it's even happened with non anime stuff like Godzilla. Even if there are exceptions to this rule like Metal Gear Solid, Castlevania, and Kingdom Hearts, I feel like this eventually limits there creativity as they will eventually write themselves into a corner which creates a problem for future installments. When Koji Igarashi created his successor to the Casltevania series, Bloodstained, he made the smart choice of not having a timeline for these games. Even though (Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night) features a companion prologue game (Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon) but aside from being part of the same franchise, and using alot of the same characters and assets, both these games are self contained Adventures, in no way do you need to play one to enjoy the other, or understand the plot since both games are largely disconnected with self contained stories (Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon 2) even though this one clearly is a sequel to the original Curse of the Moon, it's not a continuation of that games story, as they basically ignore the events of the first game like it didn't happen. So thing I've learned from all this, is like Video Game Timelines in general, the Zelda Timeline is pretty pointless. I'm just sorry it took me such a long time to realize that.

OW, my brain.

Of course the Zelda timeline was an afterthought retcon, but making up theories to link them up is still a fun exercise in imaginative detective work. Personally, I like to think that the zelda games are just a series of stories from parallel universes which all contain a Link, Zelda, and Gannondorf representing the balance of Power, wisdom and courage only some of which are connected as prequles and sequals.

This timeline was clearly a marketing gimmick for Skyward Sword lol. They have abandoned it

Honestly I see each one as reinterpretations of each other. Kind of like real legends. Which is why some are sequels to each other and others use similar concepts and events such as ALttP and OOT. Just a legend. Which would be great if we got a game that was meant to be a historical basis for all these "legends". A more grounded and complex game.

Ehh the timeline is bullshit but at least it doesn't take away anything from the games.

Also the Demise retcon kinda undercuts the catharsis of the individual victories over Ganon since well....presumably he just comes back later because reincarnation.

IN the beginning of the mario timeline.... a carpenter named Jumpman Mario saves Pauline from his pet gorilla, Donkey Kong, and after some Hijinks involving baby bowser and some enchanted frog yoshi helps the stork deliver them twin boys, Mario Mario and Luigi Mario. Wait, before that, the twins... and baby wario, and princess toadstool... and Donkey Kong's grandson (???) fall back onto yoshi's island, because bowser's self from the future went back in time to do..... something unexplained, AFTER ALL THAT, the twins actually make it to their parents like they were supposed to (undoing the ending from yoshi's island before restoring it). Then, in the future, E-Gadd invents a time machine and sends adult mario and luigi back to meet their toddler selves to help stop an alien invasion that was attempted in the past that's never got mentioned... because the problem was already resolved in the past from the future to stop them from taking over the world, of course! Then mario grows up to be a middle aged man, Donkey Kong Junior grows up to be slightly younger (even though he existed before mario was born???) and Donkey Kong's grandson, who was in Yoshi's Island 2 DS, is now a teenager at the same time???? Anyway, mario beats bowser a couple times. And that frog. Remember him from Yoshi's island? Yeah. He's wart. That's my theory. Even though nobody really cares about mario 2. Do I have to go on? I'm tired

Wish I'd have seen this 3 years ago now I've got loads of Zelda stuff lol

I just subscribed! I hope you do more vids in the future! They're hilarious! :)

HyperCharge, you're one of the few people I love to hear speak for a loooooooooooooong vid. GOOD SHIT!

This is an awesome explanation of the zelda series. I've never played a Zelda game until recently (BOTW) and there were some bits and pieces that confused the hell out of me. We all played Smash at one point and recognize that characters belong to certain series. So naturally I questioned where Sheik or Ganondorf would be in BOTW but thanks to this very detailed explanation I can play through the rest of BOTW without being confused as hell. Thanks dude

To everyone saying "Ohh itss a hobbbyyy" 46:24

"Because it's a fucking Mario game!" The new phrase should be "Because it's a fucking Legend of Zelda game!"

Every time a vid of yours pops up on my feed, I get HYPE AS FUCK. Your delivery is the shit and you're on point on everything so far. Keep it up!

I love this shit, it's real shit and it's great

Thank you so much for this! 🙏

Finnaly an entertaining youtuber, thank God i found your channel! Insta-subbed :D

"Acthually" Super Mario World was in fact called "Super Mario Bros 4" in Japan but I'm glad they removed that in the west (nobody calls Yoshi's Island Super Mario World 2 nor Super Mario Bros 5)

So when do we get the video about the Zelda Multiverse, lol?

Love your channel and your videos. Also, let people enjoy things.

Also, if every Zelda is a reincarnation of Hylia, then how come two Zeldas are simultaneously alive in Adventure of Link? And if every Zelda is named Zelda due to being a reincarnation of Hylia, then why would Coma Zelda’s brother even need to declare that all his female descendants need to be named Zelda? That would be like me deciding to manufacture traffic lights, then holding a press conference to decree “from this day forward, green means go!”.

But... where does the Hyrule racetrack from Mario Kart 8 fall in the timeline? And the time Link fights Kirby and Sonic in a pokemon stadium in Smash?

I thought the Zelda games were in the words of a story same game but retold with someone else telling the story

Closing the store at work these are one of the best things to listen to. I love how enjoyably passionate you get about the games you love while simultaneously talking about how much you hate not fans as a whole, but the really annoying or hive-minded ones. Keep up the good work buddy!

This was a funny and entertaining vid

Nintendo cares about gameplay first and narrative a distant second. The timeline is lies and afterthoughts.

The only way Ganon appears in the games is because every 100 years a gerudo king is born and that would be Ganon. You would know this by playing ocarina of time.

I find it weird they don't include Hyrule warriors in the timeline and ironically that and wind waker got me intrested in this series for the first time 2 months ago lol good thing I saw this video lol cool channel and I will follow your advice here and not care about the timeline lol you should do a Hyrule warriors uncivil synopsis btw

Well Nintendo shoudlnt have created the timeline..........

People don't obsess over Super Mario because the Zelda games have enormous detail and kind of go out of there way to try and make a compelling story. Also it was interesting as hell to think of 2 timelines after OoT came out before Skyward Sword.

I really want this to be the video that boosts your channel. You deserve it so much.

I guess the Zelda time travel and the master sword time travel work in different ways...

the fallen hero timeline... shouldn't every single zelda game have 2 endings then? why is oot so important that the Game Over screen leads to another story?

Truth about Breath of the Wild = a game full of Easter eggs referencing earlier games purely for the sake of making long time fans go 'Hey! I recognize that! Cool!' Fan reaction to Breath of the Wild = the Easter eggs are significant evidence hinting to its placement on a timeline that never really existed aside from when Nintendo thinks they can use it to make more money selling books detailing it to fans...then they just make up whatever sounds good. Sometimes an Easter egg is just an Easter egg and has no actual significance. This is how I treat them. If I were to place it on a timeline...it would be placed so far into the future that it may as well be an alternate universe for all the significance past installments have to the plot and backstory. Which is minimal at best. Personally, I don't take all this timeline stuff seriously. Do I have my own made up continuities for the games fall on? Well, yeah. I just don't share them. I'm a writer. It amuses me to imagine the ways all the myriad stories of the Zelda games might connect. It's basically a puzzle game I play to see how many alternate connections I can come up with that make narrative sense. That is the challenge of it: tying everything together in a way that is both simple and makes sense. It's not easy because the games clearly weren't conceived of as being a cohesive narrative. But that's kind of what makes it fun. Yet I am just as happy to play the games on their own and NOT think about how they link together. I just enjoy the game on its own merits. Which is what was always intended. So why take all of this seriously? I don't, and I'm still having just as much fun as I always have. Basically, I agree with this video and the opinions shared within it...though perhaps not the angry tone. Mostly because I'm more inclined to just roll my eyes and shake my head at the whole timeline discussion. It's silly, but not worth getting angry over. ....Wow, this got long...

Not looking for trouble here but I would love to see a Mario timeline. The closest we have in the Mario & Luigi series. As for Zelda I understand the frustration as I was mad as well when Breath of the Wild completely messed up the timeline. However imagine if all the Zelda spin-offs were canon that would suck and you'd be ripping out money from your wallet all the time to buy the games. Going back to Mario here, if or when Mario gets a timeline I will dispose of all the non-canon games and just keep all the games I find fun.

And ALTTP's Master Sword origin and Skyward Sword's Master Sword origin both contradict each other as well. Timeline be fucked! :D

I once saw a theory that stated that botw is after all the other games, when the 3 timelines come back and meld together back into 1

No “ side of salt “ here , it’ll be the main course good sir .

Damn, this was good.

This is the best video out there! I explain 90% of real life issues the exact same way. Funny and straightforward.

Game Theory is shook after watching this

Very good work. I like it.

I love the timeline..... And this video rocks! I love both.... How!?

From being recommended your videos twice, I subscribed. You remind me of an arlo that says fuck.

I just realised that I haven't yet completed a lot of these Zelda games and really want to play them so I have to stop watching to avoid spoilers but at the same time the video is too good.

Twinrova can be alive in the Oracle Games for two reasons - when they die in OoT they specifically say they'll come back to haunt Link. Or, since you're putting them in the Majora's Mask timeline, you can realize that in this timeline none of the adult events of OoT ever happened, including Twinrova's death. You say the series was "never supposed to" have a timeline, but many games (The Wind Waker in particular, as you noted) clearly show that there is a continuity to the universe the games take place in. They didn't "plan it all out", sure, but they planned a lot of it, and the few loose links are fun to discuss. And the Koroks and Rito are pretty easy to explain - Rito can just be a term for any anthropomorphic bird race, and they don't even look like WW Rito, so they aren't necessarily evolved Zora anyways. Koroks/Kokiri are literally forest spirits and can change form whenever it's convenient. As for the "who cares" argument, the timeline arguments never dictated any order of how you play the games, nor did it mean that you had to play other games to understand the one you're on right now - we're on the same page there. The timeline is a way to see how historical events led into each other, for little "ah-ha" moments for those people who do care about larger stories. Wasn't particularly entertaining - half of your script was "****less nerds", and you basically could've said the entirety of your thoughts in two sentences.

Hypercharge, you just pulled it off. this is the most original content yet. after seeing this, i need to spread this out to others. The only other person i've seen do this is avgn, and that's just because avgn is avgn. I hope this video gets more love, as it's the best i've seen since the paper mario vid.

Awesome work dude

Most underrated KZfaq on the planet.

"Age of calamity" to Sam: Yeaahh boy, imma steal yo girl

Love your videos Hypercharge!

I always felt like Nintendo could have avoided this entire situation if they just called these games, the "Legend of" series. Just like how the "Tales of" games all have similar gameplay, but the stories don't really connect with each other except for the few direct sequels like Tales of Symphonia 2. We could have had the Legend of Zelda 1 and 2, and then the third game be The Legend of Steve and then the fourth game be The Legend of Chris and so on. They could create a new world with new characters for every game. It's atrocious how they keep recycling the same characters and stories over and over again. I wish Ganon would just stay dead, I don't want him to be the Bowser of this series. Anyway, great video! I love listening to my favorite KZfaqr screech about my favorite series for an hour! :)

Thanks for the video. I can only speak for my generation. My Zelda timeline started in 1992 and already ended just when OoT came out. ^^ Back then I realized, that ALTTP was just a Zelda title for the new video game system SNES like Zelda 1 was for NES, so the storyline was just redone. + the Valiant Comics and promotion/concept art always were imaginative guidelines for me not just for the first two games but also very well for ALTTP. OoT broke the former continuity and the solid plot due to the new game play mechanics. Of course I liked it, the very fact to walk through (another) Hyrule in 3D and a few nice things that could have been worked into my own fictional main story/plot, but the first pictures of Wind Waker were too much, everything ever since was too messed up. Yet new Nintendo Systems again and again I haven't got the money for ^^

i love ur vids man!

So after watching the first 7:25 minutes, getting to the part where it says the history isn't set in stone (while obviously pointing out the flaw that they could be talking out of their ass) is very much like our own history. Our history is just data we've collected, our history could be massively altered at any moment because of some new discovery. Dark Souls has also attempted something like this, but have never been this blunt about what the official history is and has always left it up to fan interpretation.

If you want another reason this timeline doesn't make sense think about this, if minish cap takes place right after skyward sword, and at the beginning of the minish cap it says "a hero from the sky used a sacred sword" this makes some sense because SS. BUT THEN that same legendary sword that we can assume is the master sword breaks at the beginning of the game and is later reforged into the four sword meaning that the master sword accourdig to this timeline SHOULD ONLY EXIST IN SS. Like seriously did no one notice this. Another reason this timeline is not the best.

Super entertaining haha!