Igor, thank you so much for your insights. Can't imagine how intense it must have been watching it there. And yes, Lukasz Zal is a master! Love Ida and Cold War.

@@BreakfastAllDay THE ZONE OF INTEREST movie. Here are my thoughts after just watching "The Zone of Interest" and coming home. I had heard about the movie and watched many reviews. I had even heard about what the director said and felt he just demonized Jews while making a movie about the Holocaust and thus proves he is an ignorant fool. But I figured I must see this movie as it isn't maybe even about the family and more about the culture. So I went to see it. I was pleasantly surprised for the following points: 1) The father is damned. How? He stands to process the Jews from the train and thus is doing the work on the days that matter for a death camp called Bergen-Belsen & the general concentration camp of Auschwitz. They don't show it, but then the reason must be that they want to show you the idea of not damning him. You saw nothing. The director tipping his hat to his hate, so to speak. 2) The wife is damned. How? She finds a diamond in toothpaste and wants more. Why? Because in the processing there is very little the workers are allowed to take from the Nazi state as all is categorized and documented. Stealing from the Nazi state a diamond is her crime. She wants to do it more as taking toothpaste will not be cared about with the Nazi state and she knows the diamonds are untraceable anyway unless documented by being found by the workers in the camp. 3) The mother-in-law is damned. How? She realizes a woman is suffering (a Jew) who out bid her in an auction and is not worried about her. She shows no caring for her or any of them (Jews). What she hates is the burning of human flesh, the noise, and the proximity of it all to her personally. She never voices a concern for her grandchildren and their safety or upbringing. These are the three main characters and they all are damned. They are Nazis; they should be damned. Do all people who view this movie get this message? No. Some may think only of how they existed in a moment and chose and performed based on the stimuli that affected them. Of course they did. Don't we all? What is the lesson of the holocaust? Let us look at facts in regards to Triblinka and learn the lesson of the holocaust. In 16 months, 68 Germans with the help of 360 Jews slew over 600,000 Jews. The field had some evidence of buildings having been there. Nothing would have been known of the facts of Triblinka had not the Nazi state kept meticulous records of their accomplishments. What is the value of this movie? It does not show anything that would damn them. You only hear of the suffering and killing and know this man is in charge of all of it enough to be promoted to improving efficiency in all Nazi death camps and concentration camps throughout all of Europe and efficient enough to be brought back to the largest and most famous death camp and concentration camp in the history of the whole world: the death camp called Bergen-Belsen & the general concentration camp of Auschwitz. History records that the Nazis in trials after WWII and over the radio in South America while still free abroad after WWII stated aloud "Six (6) million was not enough." This is significant. It means the Nazis did not care about the fourteen (14) million killed in the holocaust. Why should Nazis care about slaying Poles, gypsies, and dissidents in Europe against the Nazi state? The HONOR and the GLORY of the Nazi mindset was in killing the people of Yahweh in large numbers. Americans today are now being asked in universities throughout our great land and through the speeches of the Democratic politicians within the Senate and Congress whether they will be antisemetic or if they support Israel. I find it absolutely amazing that the impetious for this question was Palestinians beheading Jewish babies or male children, burning alive Jewish mothers, and the fucking of Jewish female minors in cars as they drove them to Gaza Strip. It is abhorrent and explains why Yahweh's Holy Bible states upon Palestine being whole it melts in Isaiah 14:28-31 which is a time when Anti-Christ is identified for the whole world to know and this text states "None shall break rank" meaning Anti-Christ will melt inside Palestine whole not long after it is made whole per the text. Yahweh then declares in the Holy Bible He will destroy all nations off the face of the Earth for all nations will have been against Israel per Zechariah 12:3 and Zechariah 12:9. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bdCUZ5ubudm-iX0.html

Oh wow! That's an incredible story, thank you for sharing it.

Your Granndfather was a Hero ❤

foreboding? no, there's no foreboding here. there's the incinerated remains of people going up the chimney every 5 minutes, the barbarity is present and actual, all the freaking time. this movie takes you right to the belly of the beast, the killing fields, ground zero for atrocity, including discussions of logistics and efficiency by camp bosses

​@@jensheekey5641hero might be the most misunderstood and misapplied word in English language today, along with tragedy and victim

Why was he hiding them in England rather than hiding them in Denmark?

horrors, what horrors? they cover those nightly on the evening news. the morning news. the noon hour news. plenty of dirt to rub your nose into if you feel so inclined, if you insist on polluting your soul with every ounce of man's folly

We tend to view Nazi Germany as an anomaly when in reality under certain circumstances our neighbors and coworkers would be slamming the doors to the gas chambers behind us.

Definitely

Wait, so you’re telling me the Holocaust was bad??! 😳

What about the ending? 😮

that descent down the black stair basically symbolizes the Nazis themselves, thinking they were doing important and necessary work, cleansing the lands, are themselves condemned to the blackness of Hell, of eternal infamy, for their spiritual repugnance, the perversion of their very reason and agency, the faculties that when properly used, tell you this was all a hideous undertaking, and we should have left well enough alone

this is what people say about Hitler. That in his private life he was a boring and empty person you wouldn't pay a second of thought to if you encountered him on the street. The quiet man in the back of the bar. A ghost with a human suit, void of any substance. Thats why the German people fell for him, they could project anything they wanted on to his blank slate. All that mattered was that their anxieties were transferred into anti-semitism. Fascism is a descendent of Odinism, an ancient form of socio-spiritual control. Spooky stuff when you look deeper into it

Glad you were able to catch it in a theater!

That is a great way to phrase it. He and Mica Levi are definitely setting the tone off the top. Thank you for your insights!

Is it all subtitles ?

@@simonstones1918 It is all subtitles.

I was about to inquire with staff to see if the projection had failed. Also, these framing moments with strange wiry cacaphonies suggest that we're traveling through a time warp, back to the scene of the crime

complicit? what's this about? these events took place before any of us were even born, unless you're eighty or above

@@cjwright79 guy who doesn’t understand the cyclical nature of history has entered the chat

@@cjwright79 yes, but you are complicit in animal suffering just because you like certain foods, exploitation of cheap labor in asia to get you clothes and tech devices, destruction of the environment etc.. at the end of the day you are selfish and don't care about the suffering you cause in order to keep your comforts

​@@Cinema-Disciplesis there something you'd like to tell us? what crimes have you been complicit in lately, because I really don't know what you guys are on about. Carrying a general sense of guilt perhaps?

@@cjwright79 the war in Gaza you mouth breather

So glad you were able to see it early!

2001 comparison I also found with the 5 minute overture at the beginning. Transporting you back to this world and emptying out your brain of all what you were thinking before you sat down in the theatre .. amazing

@@ThomasKirby-ub4vy Ooh good point!

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Manohla is always thoughtful.

That's a really interesting question and explains a lot about this film's perspective, thanks for that.

Thank you very much and likewise to you!

Good perspective! Thanks, Teddy.

Oh wow! That is really interesting, thanks for that.

Yes I heard that as well. They set up cameras everywhere and the director and team were in a van overseeing the cameras/monitors. The almost reality show/doco set up was very effective.

Yes, please come back afterward and let us know what you think. Thanks and happy holidays to you as well!

Without knowing or hearing anything about this film, I knew exactly what it was probably about at least by halfway through the trailer. I just knew.

​@@kellyrob4296tell us what you know, Kelly Rob! 😏

Exactly

They dealt with it, by not dealing with it. Complete and absolulte denial. To a point where some reviewers came out of the film calling it boring because "nothing happens". I am glad they made another film about the holocaust. It should not be forgotten.

@@Blue_Grass_Girl Don't let anyone who thought this movie was boring see Shoah.

Truly! We were thrilled to give her one of our lead performance awards at LA Film Critics.

if you really like him that much, one would think you'd learn how to spell his first name properly

@@cjwright79 ?

​@@CRM-114this is more than art, this is reality, this is like a master's dissertation on the nature of man, folly, and hate

I came here to say the same thing. Really surprised they didn't get that right.

Let us know what you think when you see it!

Wa just talking about this the other day with someone, how the 10 freeway split Los Angeles in half and divided it by race.

I would read this to suggest the banality of this exhibit: it has become just another commodifed tourist attraction. People who visit might like to flatter themselves that they're good people because they went to visit the scene of a great crime, but so what? What does it do for anybody, that you made the pilgrimage to an evil place? Does it make anyone feel any better, does it attain an ounce more justice, does it relieve the souls of the dead? No, it's just you paying your €18 to walk around a rather grim locale with a sordid history.

Haven't seen it yet, sorry!

I agree. I live in a small city in the Midwest and found no theaters showing the film (even the independent theaters). Very frustrating.

Same

Don't get mad; get even!

Thank you so much for watching!

Does not sound like you have watched it.

Truly!

Yep! Those kinds of parallels are indeed what they want you to draw. Thanks Ro Ro.

You are correct!

Thank you for your thoughtful reaction! Not sure we want to see it again, though, agreed.

She dipped after that night the flames kept her up. She left a note.

Hope you can make your way to both of these films soon!

The decimals are all gut reaction. We used to do them on What the Flick and carried them over here. But we're pondering doing away with numbers entirely. Thanks for sticking around all this time!

Not at all the same!

Thanks for your feedback.

It's a tough experience for sure, but worthwhile.

Please let us know what you think once you see it!

@@BreakfastAllDay Thank you!

What are the parallels to quo vadis aida? I dont see it

@@pb.j.1753 No I mean it reminds me of Quo Vadis Aida?, I loved it but it's such a tough watch.

this reminds me of my family. so many high functioning psychopaths.

That is definitely part of the point.

​@@CRM-114You sound like someone who loves pretentious bullshit

This is a grossly offensive sentiment.

Appreciate your observations. You raise interesting points. Some ambiguity is good though, no?

Depends what you mean by ambiguity. An ambiguous ending, yes. An ambiguous character, absolutely. But leaving out details is a superficial way of achieving complexity. Omission, deletion is easy. I say lay it all out on the table and let us decide whether or not the idea is truly brilliant. That's how the classics did it.@@BreakfastAllDay

Of course I didn't get it lol. That's the point of my comment in the first place, that some parts are unnecessarily confusing. What's brilliant in the movie is what we understand, not what's confusing. The juxtaposition I spoke about is truly unique and interesting, and we understand it perfectly. The confusing parts are meaningless and add nothing. It's just filmmakers trying to appear smarter than they really are by omitting information. What's so creative about leaving out a detail?@@CRM-114

Ok, so since you understood everything, explain: Who was the black and white fantasy girl? Who was the mistress? Was she a Jewish girl? Was she a local? Was she in the room willingly? @@CRM-114

Glazer doesn't want us to cling to any character for emotional involvement. He's purposely distanced every viewer so you are on your own. In your humanity. Stewing.

Hints like planting flowers and talking about French perfume. The dog freaked out with the smell and dog barking.

Not sure what you mean.

@@CRM-114 Oh gosh, had no idea. That is indeed unfortunate. Thanks for your insight.

It's a progressive descent into the pits of Hell, with each further decision by these cretins that commits to this grim lifestyle, putting them ever further along on the road to perdition. Punctuated by a haunting scene depicting exactly that, the blackness of infamy swallowing up this puny, thoughtless, disaster of a man.

We didn't think it would be appropriate this time.

It is also restrained and detached.

@@BreakfastAllDayso many things! Can’t wait to see it 🙌🏼

It's up for many Oscars, and is very much worth seeing in a theater.