No video

Mythology | Review of Star Trek Episode 202, "Who Mourns for Adonais," with WALTER KOENIG | T7R

  Рет қаралды 7,367

The 7th Rule

The 7th Rule

Күн бұрын

Пікірлер: 63
@The7thRule
@The7thRule 5 ай бұрын
To support the The 7th Rule and join the team: www.patreon.com/the7thrule facebook.com/The7thRule/ facebook.com/groups/The7thrule instagram.com/the7thrule/ twitter.com/7thRule the-7th-rule.creator-spring.com/
@Kw1161
@Kw1161 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for having Walter K’s knowledge and humor to comment on this TOS episode! Great to chat and read chats! Have a great day!
@Lorgar64
@Lorgar64 5 ай бұрын
That's not Chekov, that's Al Bester and he... He... He's the best guy ever. Just terrific. Us Mundanes couldn't ask for a better friend.
@jpotter2086
@jpotter2086 5 ай бұрын
I remember watching this as a 4yr old. On a tiny 19" tube TV. Love that green hand. Love it even more in glorious 1080p!
@boombasett6038
@boombasett6038 5 ай бұрын
One of the best episodes of trek ever. And Walter is a treasure ! Always liked him. Wish they gave him more to do in the original series.
@wilsonscott2370
@wilsonscott2370 5 ай бұрын
I was always led to believe the title came from the Shelley poem that mourned Keats' death: Adonais
@daniel385
@daniel385 5 ай бұрын
Correct.
@daniel385
@daniel385 5 ай бұрын
Possibly the reason we don't see Walter in his chair for Act 1 is because he is shown (just after the title sequence) working on some kind of device in front of his console. For continuity purposes I guess we are suppose to believe he is still working/repairing the device. I just had a look at the episode and he is there just not in his chair. We only see him in the first shot following the title sequence.
@annmarie6985
@annmarie6985 5 ай бұрын
Omgomgomg I loooooooove this ep!!! AND Walter!!!!!
@Trekfanwanda
@Trekfanwanda 5 ай бұрын
I haven’t seen this episode in about a decade. Love seeing Walter🖖🏽
@montanawardog
@montanawardog 5 ай бұрын
Wow, such a great perspective on this episode from my childhood. I now need to rewatch it with that in mind. It will only be my 30th or 40th rewatch - so a fresh perspective is nice. Loved Walter's BTS and commentary, Cirroc's history lesson, and even Ryan's pums weren't so bad (especially after Glen Iverson's in the FFA!). The FFA was awesome and love hearing all the different takes on the show and the message that people got out of it. ONE LOVE #ChatPack!!
@3fatlobsters
@3fatlobsters 5 ай бұрын
Great episode! Great review with @The 7th Rule and Walter Koenig!!! As Sue would say, "It's a 10!"
@Roseywiththorns2218
@Roseywiththorns2218 5 ай бұрын
One thing I'd like to call out in this episode of star Trek is in the book "The Autobiography of James T. Kirk" it is mentioned that Carolyn Palamas gets pregnant and names the kid Troilus. This episode happens in the span of a day!
@DumblyDorr
@DumblyDorr 5 ай бұрын
There's also the component of questioning traditional authority, specifically religion - of humanism vs theocracy. Of forging one's own path instead of deferring to gods and priests. One of the recurring themes of Trek.
@thatguyfromcetialphaV
@thatguyfromcetialphaV 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Cirroc! Thanks Walter, this is ace. Loved Walter's cameo in Picard. Lovely touch.
@user-mi5cm1cm2z
@user-mi5cm1cm2z 5 ай бұрын
ohhhhhhh tytyty to the algorithms of YT!!! TY to this channel too! 💓 Walter was my first crush.He was 22? I'd have been about 16. Nice to know he was a bit slow to mature, I was ahead in maturing, so that was perfect! He was the older man 😊. Lucky me! Am I really listening to this interview? NO! 😅 After all these years, I am just going to stare at his beautiful eyes and enjoy his serine being. This is not star struck,hero worship. Wallter is a rare real one.
@user-so7ux2my7j
@user-so7ux2my7j 5 ай бұрын
I was just 12 days old when this aired however, I still watch it 5 nights a week
@marshallbrooksjr7666
@marshallbrooksjr7666 5 ай бұрын
This was also one of my favorite episodes, especially when I watched it as a kid. My favorite part was when the enterprise was shooting fasors at Apolos' throne, and the music that was playing and as he was also firing back lightning at the ship and Spoke say "More power to the shields, and the enterprise won the battle lol.
@calreid3208
@calreid3208 5 ай бұрын
The first episode of Star Trek I ever saw from beginning to end. Excellent to hear Walter's input on the episode, it remains a personal favourite of mine! Sending love and appreciation from the UK! Also, the first Google translate which phonetically pronounces it as 'ah-don-as' is correct ;)
@rc8937
@rc8937 5 ай бұрын
Fact check: John Winston played Lieutenant Kyle and was actually born in England. Maybe he moved to Australia at some point?
@jitmancanth6698
@jitmancanth6698 5 ай бұрын
A quick Google for Michael Forest, and what I didn't know was he's voiced characters in dubs for most of my favourite anime!
@justrosy5
@justrosy5 5 ай бұрын
Wow, I'm sorry I missed this! I've been in a time-warp space anomaly for days now, but have recently returned. Still suffering from star-ship lag! Glad to listen in though! ❤ 🖖
@spencercorker7013
@spencercorker7013 5 ай бұрын
There's a fan made sequal to this episode. The same actor plays Apollos.
@MagnanimousDominion
@MagnanimousDominion 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely love the 7th rule’s podcasts and videos - so pleased to see you are currently reviewing the original series as well as TNG! Are you going to review every single episode of both? Great to see Walter Koenig too, a true legend. Hopefully you can get him to join in for as many of your TOS reviews as possible. It’s also interesting whenever we look back at an older, classic series such as TOS and examine it from so many angles, so it’s great to see you guys doing that.
@daniel385
@daniel385 5 ай бұрын
Somewhere online there is a video of DC Fontana pronouncing "Adonais" and she pronounces it exactly the same as Walter did in this video.
@iestyndavies2675
@iestyndavies2675 5 ай бұрын
I bet after the Hepburn 'chair motor generated 'judder' impression....Nimoy' said to Walter...'That was totally 'illogical!
@pcp-xo1wj
@pcp-xo1wj 5 ай бұрын
Kyle was on the Reliant with Chekhov in Wrath of Khan.
@Joe-hh8gd
@Joe-hh8gd 5 ай бұрын
It is pronouncef Adonis, as in the god of fertility. Also supposedly very handsome. Name has usually been used to describe extremely good looking men "He looks like an Adonis", etc
@Off-channel21
@Off-channel21 5 ай бұрын
Yep. There is no Adonais in Greek mythology. That is a name used by Shelley (I think) in a poem or writing. Adonis is correct. And I know the pronunciation because a relative is named Adonis.
@ToniHunterOne
@ToniHunterOne 5 ай бұрын
I want to preface my statement that I've been a fan of Star Trek from it's pilot episode since age 8 . I'm glad you had your day with Shatner - Odysseus. Sorry, Mr. Koenig, Adonis is pronounced: /uh-DON-is/. FYI - I came to this podcast from a very poorly written article about Walter getting Bill to accept the use of the Greek Gods. The article makes Walter sound very petty. It was to distract Adonis so Adonis wil let go of the ship.
@indranidasgupta8982
@indranidasgupta8982 5 ай бұрын
I’ll be missing it but will watch later. I’ve always thought this was one of the sillier episodes (my dad and I - the Trek watchers in our family - called it The Hand) but my mind is open to change! 😬🫣😏🖖🏼
@esecallum
@esecallum 5 ай бұрын
it was deeper than that...students /children outgrow their teacher mentors parents
@indranidasgupta8982
@indranidasgupta8982 5 ай бұрын
@@esecallumagreed.
@michaelsburnett
@michaelsburnett 5 ай бұрын
This episode certainly used all the major cast members
@markusmclaughlin2414
@markusmclaughlin2414 5 ай бұрын
I won't make it to that SF event; I still haven't been to Star Trek Tour in NY State, which is more doable for me. If my friend Doug Jones will be at Star Trek Tour,; I will see if I come over from Massachusetts. That's my home state.
@Augustus087
@Augustus087 5 ай бұрын
There was a fan film based in the Trek universe that Walter did where he just chewed up the scenery. His character had amnesia. Great acting, and it made me sad that he was underutilized in the series. Anyone know where I can watch it again? I can't remember the name of it.
@iestyndavies2675
@iestyndavies2675 5 ай бұрын
I bet Nimoy said after the Hepburn...'Walter that was totally 'ilogical'
@awilliams1701
@awilliams1701 5 ай бұрын
22 sir didn't make the triviods? I'm surprised. lol
@shanemyersmyers1379
@shanemyersmyers1379 4 ай бұрын
I always thought that the music on the show was similar to The Big Valley show that was shot during the same years.
@_KevinLong
@_KevinLong 5 ай бұрын
Perhaps Chekov simply had to go to the bathroom during the other scenes.
@tabula123456
@tabula123456 5 ай бұрын
Adonis is in Greek mythology, he is the mortal lover of Aphrodite and Persephone. It is pronounced (phonetically spelt ) A-DAWN-iss, emphasis on the dawn...aDAWNiss
@indranidasgupta8982
@indranidasgupta8982 5 ай бұрын
Yes it’s the same… Adonis/Adonais.
@daniel385
@daniel385 5 ай бұрын
Nope. Google "Adonais." It's a very different word.@@indranidasgupta8982
@deadsi
@deadsi 5 ай бұрын
Those books? Comics? Behind him?
@awilliams1701
@awilliams1701 5 ай бұрын
Lt Kyle gets a promotion to Commander and is on the reliant in Star Trek 2.
@iestyndavies2675
@iestyndavies2675 5 ай бұрын
The episode is alluding to Roman times...togas..laurel leaf headware' the style of female attire.
@ToniHunterOne
@ToniHunterOne 5 ай бұрын
Boys, the chance is wasn't overplayed for the show. This is how Roddenberry every viewed women. Look at the female crew's uniforms. This is exactly what it was like in 1967.
@iestyndavies2675
@iestyndavies2675 5 ай бұрын
Freneticly' pronounced 'Ah! Don..is.
@awilliams1701
@awilliams1701 5 ай бұрын
I said 7 I was close. Honestly 7 feels high. I'm rating it down a lot because of the unbelievable love nonsense. The star trek continues sequel though Pilgrim of Eternity? I'd rate that one a 9. Michael Forrest was amazing in that one too. But it's not tied down by the 60's.
@timothybird5817
@timothybird5817 5 ай бұрын
A Don Is.
@iestyndavies2675
@iestyndavies2675 5 ай бұрын
Trying to echo Roman epic films ...Taylor/Burton..Mark Antony/Ben hur ect
@Therav1
@Therav1 5 ай бұрын
🖖
@ToniHunterOne
@ToniHunterOne 5 ай бұрын
No you guys are adding an additional syllable. /ah-di-nay-us/. Too many syllables.
@gpfoster1966
@gpfoster1966 5 ай бұрын
I'm kind of amazed the everyone commenting on this episode seemed to pick up on the "sexism" and "misogyny" of the language, but no one mentions the glaring scene when Palamas finally rejects Apollo, and he uses his god-like powers to "overcome" her. Folks, she has NOT given her consent to Apollo, and he reacts by attacking her. The scene itself implies RAPE, which to me goes way beyond just what words might have been acceptable in the 1960s but "don't age well.". Um, did y'all just miss that, or are we just more attuned to words rather than actions when using our so-called "progressive standards" in judging Star Trek. 🤔
@awilliams1701
@awilliams1701 5 ай бұрын
it's why I don't care for it. He forces himself on her and she says she loves him. But when she changes her mind he attacks her. I don't like it. I like the continues sequel (with the same actor, but much older) much better. That one doesn't have any of the 60's bs that makes it hard to watch this episode. They even mention that she was killed in the line of duty.
@iestyndavies2675
@iestyndavies2675 5 ай бұрын
Another Irish guy, like Scottie?
@max-nm6qx
@max-nm6qx 5 ай бұрын
"BATTLE FIELD HOLLYWOOD "BY LITTLE LIGHT STUDIOS ABOUT THE FILM INDUSTRY 🎥 ENJOY POWERFUL WATCH ❤
@awilliams1701
@awilliams1701 5 ай бұрын
Yeah I really don't understand her. I mean the actress did good with what she was given, but I don't understand the character. Some random asshole basically kidnaps you and you fall in love with him? WTF is that? Her character's behavior is why I hate this episode. It does have its moments. I love Uhura in this episode. It's one of the few times she goes beyond "hailing frequencies open". But the whole he loves me so I automatically have to love him back even if he's an asshole? That's so 60's. I love the sequel in star trek continues. She is mentioned as killed in the line of duty. They actually got Michael Forrest to come back as Apollo. They had to explain why he was 50 years older looking in only a couple of years, but it made sense in the contenxt of the story.
@kennethbaker5223
@kennethbaker5223 4 ай бұрын
She fell for him for the same reasons that Marla fell for Khan. They studied men of the past for a living, and were given attention by the very people that they studied, and admired. Women falling for a-holes isn't unique to the 60's. lol We see it every day.
@awilliams1701
@awilliams1701 4 ай бұрын
@@kennethbaker5223 Khan gave her a choice though. Apollo didn't.
OMG what happened??😳 filaretiki family✨ #social
01:00
Filaretiki
Рет қаралды 13 МЛН
طردت النملة من المنزل😡 ماذا فعل؟🥲
00:25
Cool Tool SHORTS Arabic
Рет қаралды 19 МЛН
Little brothers couldn't stay calm when they noticed a bin lorry #shorts
00:32
Fabiosa Best Lifehacks
Рет қаралды 20 МЛН
هذه الحلوى قد تقتلني 😱🍬
00:22
Cool Tool SHORTS Arabic
Рет қаралды 33 МЛН
War of the Rohirrim Trailer Review
46:34
The Mellon Heads - The Council of Elrond Podcast
Рет қаралды 4
Scott Bakula | Ep. 13
1:23:21
The D-Con Chamber
Рет қаралды 69 М.
The Top 20 Star Trek Episode of All Time
34:25
Jessie Gender After Dark
Рет қаралды 18 М.
A Conversation with DeForest Kelley, Star Trek's Dr. McCoy (1994)
47:02
Life Arts Network
Рет қаралды 264 М.
Drinker's Chasers - Acolyte Cancelled, And The Cope Is Hilarious
16:02
Critical Drinker After Hours
Рет қаралды 347 М.
We were WRONG about Balance of Terror
24:51
Target Audience
Рет қаралды 12 М.
OMG what happened??😳 filaretiki family✨ #social
01:00
Filaretiki
Рет қаралды 13 МЛН