wrong wtf dave was only part of 4 songs on the album and only wrote 2 of the solo's ,do your research buddy

kirks solos are sloppy, have a listen to seek and destroy and you'll here kirks sloppy playing of daves solo

@@valf208 Incorrect, dave only got credit for 4 of the songs, and 2 solos.

val f lol 😆 ok if that’s what you think...I play guitar and can tell you that “whiplash” “four horsemen” “metal militia” “phantom lord” “jump in the fire” are completely Dave’s solos... Kirk has a different style. He is more blues/pentatonic. Comes from him learning from Joe Satriani. They used Kirk to record the solos. But those are Daves solos. Can’t you hear the difference on “Ride The Lightning” those are definitely Kirks solos. They have a completely different style

Kaidin aah stop hating on Kirk, he’s far from a sloppy player. Just enjoy both.

WOW, that s incredible. I wasn't sure if I was right about that. But Kirk did an amazing job cause it sounded just like Dave.

Not true look up the demo no life till leather its way different

Crooked bacon ... no it’s not...do you play guitar? It’s just a much cleaner rehearsed and produced recording on Kill Em All. Slightly slower speed and slightly different techniques for Hammett. But the notes are virtually identical. The solo on the mechanix track is the solo Dave played on “No life Till Leather”

It’s just not A Kirk Hammet style solo...even TNT heard it....the slower solo is definitely Kirks style...the ending solo is completely Dave’s style even if Hammet changes a few notes /pull offs /hammer ons ect...the flavor of the solo is a Dave Mustaine solo

dave was only part of 4 songs on kill em all ,only co wrote 2 most solos weren't writen by dave ,their first guitar player did

Gar was brilliant. RIP to him.

I jammed to megadeth too long to recognize that style

Tbh Dave's voice sucks

@@genghiscunt1021 No its what thrash metal should sound like, very rashy and aggressive

@@genghiscunt1021 yes, the good old argument, we meet again

Dave's vocals are asome.

@@MHZENIES it's not like James's vocals are the finest. Even him hates his voice in the firsts records lol

I liked Dave till I read his autobiography. He found god. That sucks.

@@mattcasson3238 Go to hell then, I bet you like having your ass filled.

@I Got That PMA I guess you're a clean Metallica fan, a nice pretty little thing.

I Got That PMA are you contesting that he didn’t right the song??

@@borisketou3177 jaja epic

Benoit Auclair Dave wrote that riff actually, even though he left it out of the mechanix. The only part he didn't write is the "time is taking its toll on you section".

Dave's joke, actually

Agreed!

Kirk basically refined them.

last rites is my fav on that album and the skull beneath the skin

I know I'm a year late lmao but I totally disagree. KEA has the most punk sound of all early thrash metal albums. 4 Horsemen is very punk sounding, Mechanix is faster and thrashier sure but has a sort of swing to it (might be the drums). There are plenty of interviews where Dave even says Metallica was very punk/metal (sabbath, motorhead) influenced and Megadeth was alot more jazz/swing influenced because of what he was hearing growing up. Daves sisters were listening to alot of motown. With all that nonsense being said, objectively speaking when I hear 4H I think its a better song but for whatever reason I tend to like Mechanix better.

I have to agree and alot better production I really wish killing my buisness had a better production dave can play solos but Hatfield is the rythm master of all time

That’s all production, and Megadeth is definitely at fault for that, because they spent 99 percent of their budget on drugs. Do I think Megadeth is the better band? Absolutely. Do I think Metallica’s production was better in the early days? Without a doubt.

have you never seen kirk play live? he can play really well and really fast, but they chose not to do that kill em all. its not a lack of skill, just a creative choice.

Exactly right, there’s videos on YT of Dave telling the story.

Well he can listen the demo version too

How can you not like Rattlehead, Mechanix, and last rites? They are masterpiece. Also mechanix sounds like an engine.

​@@Qthetar He said he wasn't a "big fan" of their first album, not that he hated it. I'll speak for myself though. There are some really cool riffs on Megadeth's first album but imo there were too many riffs packed into each song and they tried way too hard to play as technical and fast as possible to prove a point. The songwriting overall was quite weak imo. Almost none of the songs had a chance to breathe, they just went from one super fast technical riff to another. They improved by leaps and bounds with their next album which is an absolute classic. My favorite song of of Killing is my Business is Looking Down The Cross. It's just a well constructed song from start to finish and it's quite beautiful, sad, memorable, and deep. I think Metallica always set out to construct quality songs rather than try and display their talent, while Dave Mustaine always had little brother syndrome and tried to compete with Metallica to prove a point. Again, they improved leaps and bounds with their next album, but the little brother syndrome is very apparent on this album. Had he taken some of those killer riffs and focused on trying to make songs around them, change tempo, and just construct a whole song rather then just throwing as many of them together and playing them as fast as possible the album would have been a lot better.

@@williamkoscielniak820 nah, I think Rattlehead is a speed metal masterpiece just like last rites and mechanix, great songs. Great record, I used to think the same but live it’s a different story, these songs are just next level and ahead of its time. Listen to the 2018 remastered version of these songs, they are excellent, the reason why it didn’t sound as good was cuz of the production quality, the new remastered version showcase all the stuff we missed cuz of the poor production. I do find problems with killing is my business and the skill beneath the skin but musically it’s still really good, they will do good if they remake these two songs.

I always thought it was dirty that Metallica fired Dave and then used his music. Dave's talent is king.

Bad Omen is so underrated there are basically no reactions to it

Genius guitar work as usual.... yes sure.... for the First 4 records

Genius guitar work by Metallica? Dave wrote nearly the whole song, including the "Sweet Home Alabama"ish interlude

ever notice how MUCH that clean section sounds like Sweet Home Alabama? its intentional!

@@cferguson37 yeah I know and that was a joke from dave while recording that song before he was kicked out. They thought it was a good idea and than they recorded it with Kirk on the final version of the album 😁

He wrote the main riffs to both, but he didn't construct The Four Horsemen. Songwriting isn't just about writing riffs or solo's. It's about being able to organize all of the various different pieces into a coherent whole. I know this all too well as I'm decent at writing riffs but can't construct a song for shit. Metallica have always been superior to Megadeth in song construction imo. Their songs are greater than the sum of their parts. With Megadeth sometimes the parts are great but the whole is lacking and that was never more apparent than on their debut album which has tons of great riffs but is a chaotic mess.

This is a gem

That imo is the best version of the tune.

My old copy had virtually no liner notes or lyrics and I had no clue what he was saying for years.

They are both great bands, but throughout the career (not in terms of debut) Megadeth songs are much more technical. At least some

KIMB songs are well beyond what Metallica did technically . Its more avant gard . Gar s parts are insane

Both rules🤘

hahah thats fantastic im cryin

Dead on 👍👍

If you watch the Cliff Em All video they were big Heineken promoters back then. 😂

They should have gave Ed king a writing credit on this one

Hahahhaahahaha... that is fucken hilarious!

False. Mustaine only wrote SOME of the riffs in the four horsemen. Hetfield wrote the rest and Lars was responsible for the arrangements in the song. And Mustaine's lyrics in the mechanix are god awful. So juvenile. Metallica's version is much better and at a better pace that compliments the riffs more

@@andyk2607 no its Dave's song, he played it in panic. Only the sweet home Alabama part is from cliff and James, and the switched lyrics and tempo

Actually even the “Sweet home Alabama” part is also partially Dave’s...the story goes that Dave and Cliff we’re talking how much they love Lynnard Skynnard. Dave starts playing sweet home Alabama and Lars tells Dave wait a minute...slow that down. So Lars arranged that part but the notes are sweet home Alabama slowed way down. James wrote all the new lyrics to the song

Sorry Andy K....James only wrote the lyrics and the riffs to the “famine! Pestilence! Death!” Part before the sweet home Alabama part...the other riffs are all Dave’s and the final solo is Dave’s. You are correct about Lars doing all the arrangements and slowing the tempo/cleaning it up.

@@vosman86 This thread shows the difference between Metallica and Megadeth fans when confronted with a problem about the opposing band.

Four horsemen is a much better song whether it be writing, vocals, or production. Everything is better on the fourhorsemen. Only thing mechanix is is sloppier and faster

@@Aymungoos Metallica's version is too long as always with Metallica who love to bore you with two minutes of filler and repetitions. Megadeth never overstay their welcome, just kick you in the ass and leaves. Metallica's version is slow, long and i feel like i want to sleep after 4 minutes.

People like to disagree.

He wrote riffs for like 4 songs. The only song he wrote fully in kem was the four horsemen. Every other song that has his riffs also has James's. Kem has 10 tracks. 4 song that his riffs =/= almost all.

Wrong. Metallica used to perform the mechanix when Dave was in the band.