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Once Saved Always Saved - Is it biblical?

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Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity

Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity

Күн бұрын

The idea of “once saved always saved” (OSAS) is 100% true, and it’s also completely false! You can find passages in Scripture that support that statement, and others that contradict it. And I believe that’s because this is the wrong question to ask. It misses the nature of biblical faith and salvation. Let's spend a few minutes looking through Scripture to build a basic biblical understanding of the certainty of salvation.
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@germaan1
@germaan1 3 ай бұрын
Don't ask yourself if you can lose your salvation, instead, ask yourself if Jesus can lose one of his sheep?
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
Scripture doesn't say you can loose your salvation but it does talk about turning away from faith, doesn't it ?!
@germaan1
@germaan1 3 ай бұрын
@@krisztianpatay9812 Scripture does not say that true children of God can walk away, because faith is a gift of God given to all people that God predestined before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1 and 2 are great chapters to read on this topic.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
@@krisztianpatay9812 you just proved yourself wrong.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
John 10:26 But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27 My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
@@germaan1 Scripture doesn't say that you are predestined as an individual. It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
@wolfwatchers
@wolfwatchers 3 ай бұрын
Im not trying to be rude but once saved always saved is not was never saved / or false conversions it starts with they are saved , once saved ! always saved , so speaking anything about not being saved in the first place has no place in this conversation because the first part is they are saved!
@stevebegin2489
@stevebegin2489 2 ай бұрын
Well said!
@endtimesareuponus8930
@endtimesareuponus8930 26 күн бұрын
WHO is saved? BY GOD'S DEFINITION
@stevebegin2489
@stevebegin2489 26 күн бұрын
@@endtimesareuponus8930 folks in Christ. [1 John 2:4 KJV] 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [John 15:6, 10 KJV] 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned. ... 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. [John 14:6 KJV] 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
@justinlopezmedia2313
@justinlopezmedia2313 13 күн бұрын
Eternal life is not based on what you can do because our eternal security is a result of God keeping us not us maintaining our own salvation.
@kiranmahadeodusseea8015
@kiranmahadeodusseea8015 3 күн бұрын
@@justinlopezmedia2313 the bible do not dismiss us of our responsibility that us our free will counts in it it's not automated
@justinlopezmedia2313
@justinlopezmedia2313 3 күн бұрын
@kiranmahadeodusseea8015 of course not, any reborn Christian still has to walk with the lord on a daily basis but it is impossible for us humans to maintain our own salvation that is what happened on the cross when Jesus said it is finished because He paid the price of our sins once and for all past, present, and future.
@kimartist
@kimartist 2 ай бұрын
To people in the comments stating their "stance" on OSAS & trying to compell me to state my "stance" on OSAS... You can BELIEVE in OSAS & be completely lost. You can NOT BELIEVE in OSAS & be completely saved. The Pharisees (in general) thought they were saved & yet rejected their Messiah. The tax collector (Luke 18:9-14) thought he was unsaved, but it turned out he was saved (unbeknownst to him). Ultimately it is between you & your Savior whether you are saved or not. It is not a matter of policies, statements, doctrinal creeds, etc. Anyone relying on these is standing on shifting sand. Let this heart matter be between you & your Lord only. The thoughts of your mind cannot save you.
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 Ай бұрын
@@kimartist Greetings sister in Christ 🙏..Very well said ,and on a personal level I totally agree .However,as an Evangelist the issue of the eternal security of the believer is important. I don't want to be telling unbelievers it's OSAS if it's not true, and vice-versa. After all , we who teach will be judged with greater strictness (James 3:1-2)..GOD BLESS🙏
@maxxbax9365
@maxxbax9365 3 ай бұрын
Eternal security is the biblical teaching regarding salvation. The Hebrews passage about "if we continue in sin after receiving knowledge of the truth" refers to Jewish people who reject Christ's sacrifice and instead choose the animal temple sacrifices. The sin they are continuing in is unbelief, not simply engaging in sinful actions. The Bible teaches that those who leave the faith leave because "they were never of us".
@maxxbax9365
@maxxbax9365 3 ай бұрын
@@Mikhael1964 No doubt. Many miss the context of this Hebrews passage that focuses on encouraging the Jewish people to trust in the once for sacrifice of Christ and not the old system of sacrifices in the temple.
@heather602
@heather602 3 ай бұрын
So does that mean I can reject the letters to Corinth because I'm not a Corinthian? Or a galatian? Or a Roman? Etc There is no jew or gentile in Christ and Hebrews, like all books of the bible are written to believers
@maxxbax9365
@maxxbax9365 3 ай бұрын
@@heather602 Audience relevance is an important principle in biblical interpretation that helps us understand the context and intended meaning of a passage. By considering the original audience, their perspective, and the purpose of the passage, we can avoid misinterpreting the Bible and apply its teachings accurately to our lives.
@heather602
@heather602 3 ай бұрын
@@maxxbax9365 Is that a yes?
@maxxbax9365
@maxxbax9365 3 ай бұрын
@@heather602 What do you mean?
@UltraAar
@UltraAar 3 ай бұрын
If you could lose your salvation, you would.
@Vincent-gc3cu
@Vincent-gc3cu 3 ай бұрын
And many will do exactly that!
@germaan1
@germaan1 3 ай бұрын
@@Vincent-gc3cu everyone would be in hell now if anything in salvation would depend on us. Check yourself before the Lord.
@Vincent-gc3cu
@Vincent-gc3cu 3 ай бұрын
@@germaan1 The number of people that will lose their Salvation will be as the Sands of the sea. THEY = the people who numbered as the sands of the Sea, along with Satan Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the SAND of the SEA. 9 And THEY went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
@germaan1
@germaan1 3 ай бұрын
@@Vincent-gc3cu good thing that you are good enough to keep yourself saved 👍
@Vincent-gc3cu
@Vincent-gc3cu 3 ай бұрын
@@germaan1 God, his Grace, and his law. God gives his grace (born again), and I will posses to power to keep all of Gods active Ten Commandments flawlessly! 😉👍
@rsdaarud
@rsdaarud Ай бұрын
Our free will is never violated by God. Because it remains intact, we can choose to walk away from our trust in Him. A sad story indeed! When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith?
@endtimesareuponus8930
@endtimesareuponus8930 26 күн бұрын
WHO has faith?? It's he who OBEYS Jesus and stays FAITHFUL to Him to the end. It's MANY things. Have you read them ALL, in God's Word ?
@endtimesareuponus8930
@endtimesareuponus8930 26 күн бұрын
@Scribeintheink WHO does the Bible say is sealed ???
@endtimesareuponus8930
@endtimesareuponus8930 26 күн бұрын
@Scribeintheink You act like you're mocking God or mocking the person you replied to. That's not Christ like. You need to see WHO God's Word says is saved? Did you read ALL of God's Word on the subject of salvation???
@ManashantiiTheChristian
@ManashantiiTheChristian 3 ай бұрын
Holy Bible verses quoted in this video:- John 3v16 Ephesians 2 v8-9 Romans 3v23-24 Titus 3v5 Galatians 2v16 2 Timothy 1v9 Hebrews 10v23 Hebrews 13v8 John 10v27-29 Luke 8v13 Hebrews 6v4-v6 Hebrews 10 v26 2 Timothy 4v7 Colossians 2v22-23 Hebrews 11v1 Deuteronomy 6v5 Psalm 73v23-26 Manashantii The Christian
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
interesting
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 3 ай бұрын
Interesting! Thanks, Manashantii The Christian, RLS
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
@RachelWeeping
@RachelWeeping 2 ай бұрын
If we are born by the will of God, think of what that means, can things created by His will end. There will be a new heaven and a new earth. Can those born of His will die? What do you think?
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 2 ай бұрын
@@RachelWeeping Everything is Created by His will. You seem confused as to the meaning of the scripture
@RachelWeeping
@RachelWeeping 2 ай бұрын
@salpezzino7803 Thank you may God comfort and bless you
@brendanjobe6895
@brendanjobe6895 Ай бұрын
100% true. Anyone who receives Christ - one who believes Jesus was all He claimed to be - then has the right, the ability, the liberty to become a child of God. It is truly amazing that people are told, mainly by Baptists, that if they'll simply receive Jesus, they are at that point children of God. A tad different than what the passage says.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 Ай бұрын
@@brendanjobe6895 Reformed Baptists got it right
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
Jesus's own words - John 10:26But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27 My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. ----- I stand with Jesus and find Peace in the fact that no matter what I am His
@philiphoch
@philiphoch 3 ай бұрын
There's no getting around this verse
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
@@philiphoch Amen
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 3 ай бұрын
Amen 🙏. OSAS , unless not saved in the first place ..
@bigbangcesar
@bigbangcesar 3 ай бұрын
Doesn’t say the sheep can’t walk away on their own accord. The sheep that stay hearing his voice won’t get snatched
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
@@bigbangcesar ever read the parable of the Lost Sheep? He will Not Let You, sorry Me Go. Stupid response. But good try. You should write Bible commentaries ......................................... or maybe read you
@purely-grace
@purely-grace 3 ай бұрын
Shalom brother Solberg, thank you for your perseverance in Yeshua in teaching and encouraging in Christ Jesus. May He continue to bless you and your beautiful family ❤
@lovewithtruthministries5565
@lovewithtruthministries5565 3 ай бұрын
I am very thankful for this Rob. I understand that a lot of people will be upset by this video. But my encouragement would be to search out the scriptures for yourselves. In my opinion, OSAS as a doctrine has never harmonized with the Bible. However, I don't believe you can lose your salvation. But I do believe you can reject your salvation.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
double-minded much?
@lovewithtruthministries5565
@lovewithtruthministries5565 3 ай бұрын
@salpezzino7803 That's a bold claim without any thoughtful explanation. Could you elaborate more please?
@JoseRodriguez-dw9dv
@JoseRodriguez-dw9dv 2 ай бұрын
John 3:16 - Is it "shall not perish" or "should not perish"?
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 2 ай бұрын
Amen,
@Akula5.45
@Akula5.45 3 ай бұрын
Hey Professor Solberg, I was wondering as a request (as I'm sure you receive many of), if you could discuss in one of your upcoming videos repentance? What is that supposed to look like? How are we as Christians supposed to do that? This is a concept I've been struggling with in my walk with Christ. I know it's supposed to be a turning away from sin (a changing of mind), but how do we differentiate between struggling with sin and still ongoing repetitive sin (despite there are feelings of remorse afterwards)? I know the Bible doesn't teach sinless perfection, so how do we address this and handle it? Thank you!
@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436
@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 3 ай бұрын
Repentance is something that happens AFTER Jesus has saved and made spiritually alive one of Gods chosen ones. Fake repentance is what happens to all the fake christians that fill all the apostate churches. They all think it is their repentance that has saved them, that they must live a totally repentant life to be and remain a Christian. The main repentance is in how we think and in what we believe. Those few who are actually saved completely change the way they think and what they believe. They turn form all their unbiblical ignorance and from all their false beliefs and wrong understandings. They do not live a sinless life.
@smsog2236
@smsog2236 3 ай бұрын
Was just discussing this topic with my jehovah's witnesses friend... And it just pops up on my feed. 👍🏾
@jssr4550
@jssr4550 3 ай бұрын
Hey Rob! A little shocked about this one. Please refer back to your Hebrews 5 video in the section about OSAS. Any reason you changed your mind?
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
where did he stand there?
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 3 ай бұрын
Hi, JS! Yes, I would say that my position on OSAS has evolved and become more nuanced. What I said in that episode is that I would generally answer "yes" to the question "Once a person is saved are they always saved?" But I added that it’s important to understand what that actually means. (Here's a link to the section of that video where I talk about it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z9F_qNB_2KmRdpc.html ) I said that when we come to a _genuine_ faith in Jesus, our salvation is secure. It’s not something that can be taken away from us, or that we can sin away, or that requires us to maintain a certain level of performance in order to keep. We are eternally secure if we believe. And that’s because our salvation isn’t based on our inconsistent human behavior, it’s based on God’s unchanging faithfulness. And that's all pretty consistent with what I mentioned in this video. The area where my position has evolved is in the realization that, despite what may or may not be going on "behind the scenes"-and I believe there is room for honest disagreement there-God's Word warns us against falling away, which implies that is a real danger that we need to be aware of and avoid. Jesus said, "The one who endures to the end will be saved." (Matt 24:13). And no one will endure to the end under their own power. God carries us! But the goal of this video is to encourage us to look at faith as a long game, to invest in our ongoing relationship with our Father. Blessings, RLS
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 3 ай бұрын
​@@TheBiblicalRoots Greetings 🙏. Then again we cannot ignore Jesus stating firmly : "I won't lose any the father has given me" .....and; ," I give them eternal life, and they will never perish", and : "no one will snatch them out of my hand" , and "whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life" and; ,"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life" ...etc.. Remember NO ONE comes to Jesus except through father, those who GOD gives him..Yes, salvation is a sovereign act of God whereby an unregenerate sinner is washed, renewed, and born again by the Holy Spirit (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). When salvation occurs, God gives the forgiven sinner a new heart and puts a new spirit within him (Ezekiel 36:26). The Spirit will cause the saved person to walk in obedience to God’s Word (Ezekiel 36:26-27; James 2:26). Numerous passages of Scripture declare the fact that, as an act of God, salvation is secure. The ones who continue with sin as their master I truly believe we're not saved in first place. So my belief is; OSAS Unless not saved in the first place...It's the only way to make sense of GODS word with the various verses saying otherwise. GOD BLESS🙏
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 3 ай бұрын
​@@TheBiblicalRootsGreetings 🙏..The Biblical answer in dealing with those verses that seem to contradict OSAS is very simple; OSAS unless not saved in the first place. Let me explain; We simply cannot ignore ,not Deny what Jesus stated firmly : ie: "I won't lose any the father has given me" .....and; ," I give them eternal life, and they will never perish", and : "no one will snatch them out of my hand" , and "whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life" and; ,"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life" ...etc.. Remember NO ONE comes to Jesus except through father, those who GOD gives him..Yes, salvation is a sovereign act of God whereby an unregenerate sinner is washed, renewed, and born again by the Holy Spirit (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). When salvation occurs, God gives the forgiven sinner a new heart and puts a new spirit within him (Ezekiel 36:26). The Spirit will cause the saved person to walk in obedience to God’s Word (Ezekiel 36:26-27; James 2:26). Numerous passages of Scripture declare the fact that, as an act of God, salvation is secure. The ones who continue with sin as their master I truly believe we're not saved in first place. So my belief is; OSAS Unless not saved in the first place...It's the only way to make sense of GODS word with the various verses implying otherwise. GOD BLESS🙏
@jssr4550
@jssr4550 3 ай бұрын
@TheBiblicalRoots Hey brother! Thanks so much for answering. Off subject, but I have to say that your content has tremendously blessed me in dealing with loved ones who unfortunately have fallen to Torahism. It seems like such a crime to comment and not thank you for the tireless effort on your part. Thanks for the clarification. I will say your answer still slightly opens a can of worms. True conversation seems to be an identity change and something a true believer will continue to do. (2 Cor. 5:17) (1 John 3:6) 1 John 2:19). Even in John 3:16, the Greek word for "believe" is used in the active present participle tense. It is a statement that true believers are in a continual state of belief. One of the characteristics of the sheep is that they hear his voice, and that they do not follow the stranger's voice. It's not merely a work, but a characteristic of the sheep. The shepherd doesn't lose them. (John 10:1-16) Jesus in another passage makes it His responsibility to keep those the Father has given Him. (John 6:37-40) Even the prophesy about the New Covenant suggests a permanent heart change, not of matter of keeping up with salvation, if you will. He says I will put My fear in them so they will not depart. These are scriptures you've heard of. (Jer. 32:40) (Ezk 36:26). Jesus also makes a bold declaration when He says that in the last days, many will claim to know Him and He will tell them I NEVER knew you. (Mat 7:21-23). Jesus here doesn't suggest He once knew them, which is why I believe the good soil in the parallel of the seed and the sower is the only soil that receives salvation. Scripture sets up this idea of wheat and tares, and I do believe not everyone who confesses belief is actually a wheat. I believe we must live out our salvation thoroughly as the scriptures tell us, but it's not a matter of keeping our salvation. It's a matter of seeking the Kingdom and its righteousness (Matt. 6:33) and being a light in this world. Not out of hearing, but of doing. If a genuine believer could lose their salvation, then many of these promises Jesus makes are void. That means scriptures such as Romans 8:28, Philippians 1:6, Matthew 6:18, Isaiah 55:11 are null and void. Scripture also doesn't suggest that once your sin is nailed to the cross, Jesus will then unscrew for any reason. It's a once and for all action. Jesus is not nailing, then un-nailing repeatedly. Once you're purchased with His blood, pain in full by His sacrifice and stripes, His purchase can't be revoked. When you're born again, you can't become un-born again. When you're a new creation, you can't revert back to the old creation. That's the bigger picture to Hebrews 6. That passage is saying that it's impossible for those who are enlightened to be renewed again if they fall away. Why? Because Jesus only died once and you would have to "cruficy Jesus again." This statement is a hypothetical situation used to explain that the Jews no longer needed to do repeated animal sacrifices in the New Covenant, because Jesus is a once and for all sacrifice. Plus, if you take Hebrews 6 to mean you could lose your salvation, then that means you believe you can't get it back. Lastly, it's generally understood that Matthew 24 is speaking of enduring through the tribulation period, not about enduring for salvation. I don't know where your views on eschatology land, but in Revelation, the church age is not found during the tribulation period. The saints who get saved are there as well as the Jews, but not the church age who are built on the rock. You don't find the church age after Revelation 4. And they don't return until the second coming of Christ. Revelation chapter 22, I believe. Maybe this could be a video topic? Sorry, I didn't plan on writing this super long message. I know you're busy and stewarding the Lord's work well. I'd love to hear your feedback . Thanks for all you do brother.
@mattclevenger8598
@mattclevenger8598 3 ай бұрын
Rob, i really enjoyed this video and i dont thinkbi have any point of disagreement here. Its refreshing to see this video, a kind of break from your normal focus on hebrew roots. This video was truly defending the biblical roots of christianity. I would like to see more videos of this nature
@robertrlkatz6890
@robertrlkatz6890 2 ай бұрын
Dear Matt, can you say in all certainty that you will be in Heaven when you die?
@mattclevenger8598
@mattclevenger8598 2 ай бұрын
@robertrlkatz6890 I do believe that. An interesting question you ask. It it pointing to a OSAS? I believe the bible teaches that we have been saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved. I see these as christ has finished his work of salvation on the cross for all mankind, we are being continually being sanctified and refined into the likeness of Christ, and by perseverance in faith we will inherit God kingdom. All of these things have relationships to salvation because they are all results of faith in Christ which is the thing required for salvation. I beleive I am saved by faith, I continue in refinement and sanctification by faith, and I will persevere in by faith toll the end.
@99vichi
@99vichi 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for this sentence "0nce faithing, always saved " I'm gonna use
@CharlesWeber-vm6bf
@CharlesWeber-vm6bf 2 ай бұрын
It really made sense that once saved always saved is 100 percent true and 100 percent false. Well said.
@stevenlindsey2056
@stevenlindsey2056 3 ай бұрын
Only the seed that falls on good ground and produce fruit is those who are born again.
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 3 ай бұрын
That's a really interesting observation, Steven. I've wrestled with that a bit. Is it possible for someone to come to an authentic faith without being born again? Does the Bible seems to leave that possibility open? Rob
@stevenlindsey2056
@stevenlindsey2056 3 ай бұрын
@@TheBiblicalRoots It is not possible. When one is born again they are made into a new creation and the Holy Spirit dwells within us and we are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of our redemption. God also stated in His word that He would finish the work He began in us. Anyone who walks away was never born again.
@jt5747
@jt5747 9 күн бұрын
@@stevenlindsey2056 walks away from what?
@stevenlindsey2056
@stevenlindsey2056 9 күн бұрын
@@jt5747 The faith.
@jt5747
@jt5747 9 күн бұрын
@@stevenlindsey2056 so they had faith, but then walked away?
@markfrench2980
@markfrench2980 3 ай бұрын
I'm with you Rob. OSAS never made sense to me in light of all the scripture that you referenced.
@AProdigalSonReturned
@AProdigalSonReturned 3 ай бұрын
I agree. And there are many passages that add to this that he didn't reference. Still, people will believe what they want to believe and it seems Rob may have some of his fans turn on him with this subject. They wish he would have just stuck to condemning torahism.
@michaelbrutsche75
@michaelbrutsche75 2 ай бұрын
I’m with Rob on this one as well, but I also believe that the Bible doesn’t teach once apostate always apostate, otherwise Samson, Solomon, David etc. would not have been able to return to God.
@ToYouFilthyDreamers-eu1xx
@ToYouFilthyDreamers-eu1xx 2 ай бұрын
,...You are also with him in being unsaved and outside of the kingdom of God. Repent!
@paultkalec7022
@paultkalec7022 Ай бұрын
No one is truly saved yet - we are still bound up in a sinful, cursed world. Even those who have “fallen asleep” lie in wait for judgement. When Jesus returns, He will complete our salvation. Make sure He knows you as one of His own by abiding in “The Vine”.
@ShaREisden
@ShaREisden 3 ай бұрын
Shalom Shalom. Beautifully explained! I agree 100%. I have not encountered a teacher who has explained this topic so well and backed it up with scriptures. Thank You, professor, God bless you 🙏
@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436
@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 3 ай бұрын
This false teacher has deceived you. Repent! No saved person can ever lose their salvation. Period!
@larriveeman
@larriveeman 3 ай бұрын
Losing and walking away are two different things
@sealedsecure3754
@sealedsecure3754 Ай бұрын
Eternal life by definition is eternal. Once a person has it, it can never be lost or walked away from because if that were possible it wouldn't be " eternal"...
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 Ай бұрын
​@@sealedsecure3754No one denies what the word eternal means. However there are many verses in GODS word that suggest one can lose salvation eg; 2 Corinthians 13:5..Hebrews 6;4-6, Hebrews 10;26..James 5;19-20, 2 Peter ; 20-22, 1 Timothy 4;1..Matt 7;21-23,Rev 2,Galatians 5:4,Gal 5:19-21,,Mark 13:13,Matt 24:13, Romans 11; 19-22,Phillipians 2:12,Luke 8;13,Romans 11; 20-23..1 John 2:15..and many more..We can't just ignore them..
@samsam-qp3fw
@samsam-qp3fw Ай бұрын
​@@sealedsecure3754Yes eternal life is eternal. Once you have it there is no turning back. We are PROMISED it. We still don't HAVE it. If I promised to give you something you can still choose to walk away from it, but my promise still stands. Hopefully that clears the wisdom our brother has shared!
@moneyallday6524
@moneyallday6524 Ай бұрын
@@sealedsecure3754 but supporting or believing in OSAs is basically saying if a person became a Christian then they learned about satanism and became a satanist they can still go to heaven. Moreover if someone become a Christian then went into the occult and invited demons into them and allowed demons to possess them they can still go to heaven because they are Holy Spirit filled? No evil and good cannot dwell together Jesus/God won’t share your body with demons and devils
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 Ай бұрын
​@@sealedsecure3754Eternal Life to those who on the journey with Christ are: obedient,show allegiance and loyalty to him,follow his commands that are not burdensome..and persevere to the end ..GOD BLESS 🙏
@brianwtsn
@brianwtsn 3 ай бұрын
The key here is: Was the dude who walked away and stayed away really saved in the first place?
@lovewithtruthministries5565
@lovewithtruthministries5565 3 ай бұрын
This is the typical response for the OSAS position on apostacy. But to me it seems very lackluster in the reality of the Biblical understanding.
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 3 ай бұрын
​​@@lovewithtruthministries5565In this discussion, I think 1 John 2:19 is key. It reads, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.” In context, the discussion is regarding antichrists (false teachers). The principle applies, though, to anyone who departs from the faith. Anyone who departs from the faith is proclaiming a message that is not true, and is, in fact, opposed to Christ (the essence of the term antichrist). To paraphrase 1 John 2:19: “If anyone departs from the faith, they are demonstrating that they were never truly in the faith, for if they have been of the faith, they would not have departed. The fact that they have departed from the faith explicitly demonstrates that they were never a part of the faith.” OSAS unless not saved in first place Is the only way to reconcile the apparent contradictions in scripture about eternal security...
@kimartist
@kimartist 3 ай бұрын
As someone who was first a false convert (to please a friend) before becoming saved for real in later life, I agree that I didn't lose what I never had.
@CharlesWeber-vm6bf
@CharlesWeber-vm6bf 2 ай бұрын
Well, I can respond to that by saying, if I divorce my wife was I ever really married to her.
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 2 ай бұрын
@@CharlesWeber-vm6bf Problem with that is ,your talking on a fallible'worldly' human level ,thinking GOD thinks,acts the same .When really, salvation is of GOD,from.GOD on a level far beyond ours,a realm far beyond our knowledge. Adding human interpretation as an analogy to GODS ways is Futile,and wrong Charles..IE; “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD. Isaiah 55;8...Lets stick to what our infallible GODS word says not add our own fallible analogy to the text.🤗
@zyzzyz7035
@zyzzyz7035 Ай бұрын
Heb 6:4-6 The people described here were not believers. It says that they TASTED salvation. It doesn't say that they took it in and ate it. They were exposed to it and saw the Holy Spirit work for a while but they never took it in and swallowed it. In your example, they never sat in the chair. 1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. 1 If they are able to leave for good, they weren't really believers. 2 If Jesus said no one can take you out of His hands, YOU can't take yourself out of His hands either.
@moneyallday6524
@moneyallday6524 Ай бұрын
So you support OSAs or not ?
@Kaitlin24247
@Kaitlin24247 16 күн бұрын
My name is Kaitlin please I need advice. I got baptized in 2013 but lived for worldly pleasures, Fornication, drinking, smoking, stealing I have confessed these sins but I honestly feel like I have lied to God to many times going back on my word of not drinking, smoking a vape then I go back. I honestly don't know if GOD has turned his back on me or if I don't even have the holy spirit within me anymore.. should I get re baptized and re commit my life I feel so lost 😞
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 16 күн бұрын
Hi Kaitlin. Thank you for sharing this. You do not need to get re-baptized. You simply need to confess your sins and repent. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9) Here's the thing: God cares more about your heart than about your behavior. I'm not saying behavior does not matter to God, because it does. But the heart comes first. So if you put God first and get your heart right with Him, the rest will follow. Then it won't be you trying to "white-knuckle" it on your own. God will help you and guide you and replace your desires. How do you put God first? Take baby steps. Commit to reading His word every day. It doesn't need to be long, even just one chapter, 5 minutes. And pray every day. Again, it doesn't need to be long, just talk to Him for a few minutes. Jesus said: “And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. “This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’" Matt. 6:7-13 Blessings, Rob
@phillipmontoya9415
@phillipmontoya9415 3 ай бұрын
Either your saved through grace or your not. You can't have both. You can't add anything to the grace of God. Your "WORK" is to believe and that is counted to u as righteousness because after you believe ,your IN HIM [Christ] and he is your righteousness.
@liontribe555
@liontribe555 3 ай бұрын
But the works of faith that we must do are love and forgiveness, and many who claim to be Christian don't do these.. these are the 'works' we are commanded to do in order to maintain our salvation . Don't be deceived, God will not be mocked..whatever a man sows he shall reap. May you encounter the fear of the Lord to lead you in wisdom and truth. May you see the truth of His word and not believe 'Christian culture' that is false teaching. DON'T BE DECEIVED.
@heather602
@heather602 3 ай бұрын
We're saved by grace THROUGH faith. Jesus did say the work was to believe on Him. Believing is presented as ongoing and active. Jesus warns against falling away, against turning away from our righteousness and going back to the world to wallow in filth.
@DeepConviction25
@DeepConviction25 3 ай бұрын
Yes Yes and Yes!!!!!!!!!!
@savedBygrace29
@savedBygrace29 2 ай бұрын
💯 AMEN!! Salvation is of The Lord! God's grace alone accomplished entirely by The Lord Jesus Christ ALONE!
@JuliexSteadman
@JuliexSteadman 2 ай бұрын
@@liontribe555 yes absolutely - John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER GOES ON BELIEVING (trusts in, clings to, relies on) in him shall not perish but go on having eternal life. Taken from the amplified bible. And david pawson says on p1229 of Unlocking the bible that this verse is in the present continuous tense, the person who goes on believing. Also the early church fathers beleived that although your salvatioin was a gift you had to maintain it. David bercot - what did the early church fathers (ad70-320) teach about salvation. Calvin went back to Augustine ad400, not the early church fathers. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gOChd7lqlqeqgKM.htmlsi=CR3xe3_t75UHtcEz
@NLASMINISTRY
@NLASMINISTRY 3 ай бұрын
I know I had the Holy Spirit in me, He took all my addictions away and gave me a love for God's Word. How do I know He hasn't lft me because of my lack of obedience. Isn't my obedience a fruit of true faith? I thought I was sealed till the day of the Lord. Now how can I be sure? Is my confidence now in me to be able to keep my faith. I'm a screw up ill surely mess this up too.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
amen, God Bless You
@Mike-zy8in
@Mike-zy8in 3 ай бұрын
At the end of the day bro we must submit to God, resist the devil and move forward. Mark Spence once said may I finish the race well even if it doesn't look like I'm still in the race..stop that sin that caused you to lose your confidence..get on your knees and call on the Lord. Never get to the place where u give up. Never. Stay. Down. Always get up and return to God. Look at the prodigal how he told his dad I'm no longer worthy to be called your son but the dad embraced him.. check out the living waters KZfaq channel and watch their videos on sins u struggle with
@YellowEye25
@YellowEye25 3 ай бұрын
Search for the fruits of the spirit, if you have them, you probably have been spiritually born. By this point on, you can only forfeit salvation if you do it wilfully, like exchanging your belief in Christ for survival, or for a mark that will allow you to buy and sell, if you know what I mean.
@Mike-zy8in
@Mike-zy8in 3 ай бұрын
bro at the end of the day. Mark Spence said may I finish well even though it looks like im not in the race..if your struggling with sin, type that sin with Living Waters..they do excellent videos as well theyve done videos on porn ect....NEVER.STAY.DOWN..if you sin, get up and return to your King
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your vulnerability, NLAS. To me, it comes down to answering this question: "Right now, in this moment, do I trust in Jesus to forgive my sins and accept me into enteral life with Him?" It's a yes or no question. And it's not "Do I _deserve_ forgiveness?" It's "Do I trust in Christ's forgiveness." If our honest answer is "Yes," we are secure. Even if it's "Yes, but..." Or "I'm pretty sure" or "I think so." Even if we have a lot of questions. Even if we screw up and fall short (which we will!). Even if our obedience is less than perfect. If our answer is any version of "Yes, I trust Jesus," He will never let us go, no matter how much we squirm. Our job is simply to believe and trust Him, and He will help us with our faith, He will carry us. Our confidence is in Him, not ourselves. And our faith is strengthened as we focus more on God and what He has done, and less on ourselves and what we might do. When we mess up, we confess and repent and trust in Christ's forgiveness. When we wander away for a time, like the prodigal son, we turn around and head home and trust in Christ's forgiveness. Blessings, Rob
@MrJarredification
@MrJarredification 7 күн бұрын
So many content creators need to get this into their heads so they stop in fighting with other christian channels and butchering scripture while hurling false teacher accusations around.
@johnf.6942
@johnf.6942 2 ай бұрын
John 3:16, & 36 and John 6:47 says it all. It’s never ending and you can have it today because the verses are present tense. It’s crystal clear today, and forever because he is the savior period.
@IPRF
@IPRF 3 ай бұрын
Concise and yet very clear. Thank you for all you do, Professor Solberg. 👍
@jamesrmooresr
@jamesrmooresr 3 ай бұрын
I see where you going with this, but you need to consider this more. Perhaps all your focus on debunking Torahism has influenced your evolution. It’s not mainstream, so I would be careful not to stray too far into this line of thinking. I am a strong proponent that if one is truly born again, they will never fall away into being unborn again.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
Well Jesus does agree with you a few times
@kimartist
@kimartist 3 ай бұрын
I agree there's always going to be people who have "head knowledge" of Jesus, but not "heart knowledge." The head knowledge people can put on a pretty good show in public, but hoo wee better not look into the private!
@JuliexSteadman
@JuliexSteadman 2 ай бұрын
no i was absolutely born again and filled with the Spirit and then got involved in a church that had a strong calvin bias, couldnt lose your salvation etc, it led me into sin... For me when im close to the Lord im fine with the carrot, when im distant and sin is calling loudly i find i need the stick... and scripture clearly teaches you can lose it, what about John 16:6 & even Romans 8:12 & James 1:15 below.. John 15:6 If you do not remain IN me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. v10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love. Rom 8:12-14 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation - but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. 13 FOR IF YOU LIVE ACCORDING TO THE SINFUL NATURE, YOU WILL DIE; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. James 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; AND SIN, WHEN IT IS FULL-GROWN, GIVES BIRTH TO DEATH. And this is what the early church fathers taught (ad70-320 ish), Calvin went back to Augustine ad400, not the early church fathers whose letters we have... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gOChd7lqlqeqgKM.htmlsi=yknzRL20scuKDXah
@RodrigoVibar
@RodrigoVibar 3 күн бұрын
What measurement you can give that you already loose your salvation? Why and how God saved us? When and why God planned our salvation?
@jamesburkhart1658
@jamesburkhart1658 2 ай бұрын
True Faith is Forever - Hebrews 10:14 "For by one offering he hath "perfected for ever" them that are sanctified".
@Unknown.servant
@Unknown.servant Күн бұрын
Who are they that are sanctified? Those who are in Christ......God is so powerful He is not threatened by giving us the gift of freewill
@robinq5511
@robinq5511 3 ай бұрын
This is where audience relevance and context should be considered when exegeting scripture to prove one's theological POV. Ex Rob cites: " Jesus said, The one who endures to the end will be saved. (Matt 24:13)." Note that in context the subject is eschatological concerning the END which sign is the temple when it will be destroyed. That happened in the 1st century.
@BobSmith-lo1il
@BobSmith-lo1il 3 ай бұрын
In Matt. 24:3, Jesus' disciples asked 3 questions, not just one. 1.When will these things be? (Temple destroyed) 2. Sign of Your coming? 3.End of the age? Jesus' answers flowed from one to another without creating a perfect timeline. So, the destruction certainly happened in 70A.D., but the great Tribulation, Christ's return and the end of the age are still impending.
@ralphowen3367
@ralphowen3367 2 ай бұрын
The end? Rom. 10:4 says Christ is the end of the law to all that believe
@robinq5511
@robinq5511 2 ай бұрын
@@ralphowen3367 Context there is about righteousness.
@ralphowen3367
@ralphowen3367 2 ай бұрын
@@robinq5511 From the time convert is born of the Spirit, he or she becomes spirit, and is from that point on going from faith to faith with no interruption of sinning. Thus, they are continually righteous as the Father is--I Jn. 3:7; Pr. 4:18.
@BobSmith-lo1il
@BobSmith-lo1il 2 ай бұрын
@@ralphowen3367 The end of the law and the end of the age are certainly two different things.
@Gigi2four
@Gigi2four 3 ай бұрын
Salvation is a gift from God. He won’t ever take it away, but we can choose to toss it.
@Samy-sx6kn
@Samy-sx6kn 3 ай бұрын
No. God elects, draws and keeps true believers.
@robertrlkatz6890
@robertrlkatz6890 2 ай бұрын
You are unable to toss it because the person never had it in the first place, they were christian in name only.
@burkeyemmons9525
@burkeyemmons9525 3 ай бұрын
Rob, I can see the train of thought here thanks. One question I would love to hear your views on it on "The Elect" thanks for all you do!
@nilsalmgren4492
@nilsalmgren4492 2 ай бұрын
Once saved always saved is debunked in the parable of the unforgiving servant. We can be confident in our salvation, but we do not make the judgement, that is reserved for God. Judge nothing until the day of the Lord. On that day some will say to Jesus Lord, Lord and he will reply I never knew you.
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 Ай бұрын
Wrong Sir...It does not teach that our eternal destiny is based on our forgiving other people. Do not be confused here; God’s forgiveness is not based on our works. Forgiveness and salvation are founded completely in the person of God and by Jesus’ redeeming work on the cross. However, our actions demonstrate our faith and the extent to which we understand God’s grace (see James 2:14-26 and Luke 7:47). We are completely unworthy, yet Jesus chose to pay the price for our sins and to give us forgiveness (Romans 5:8). When we truly grasp the greatness of God’s gift to us, we will pass the gift along. We have been given grace and should give grace to others in return. In the parable, we are appalled at the servant who would not forgive a minor debt after having been forgiven his unpayable debt. Yet, when we are unforgiving, we act just as the servant in the parable. Our relationship with God will be damaged if we refuse to pardon those who have offended us. Once again, the Bible is clear that God pardons sin by His grace based on Christ’s work on the cross alone, not on man’s actions. Our right standing before Him is established on one thing only-the finished work of Christ (John 3:16; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10). The penalty for the sin that is rightly ours is paid by Christ, and we obtain it by grace through faith, not by any righteous deeds of our own (Ephesians 2:8-9). No one will be able to stand before God demanding that his sins be forgotten simply because he has forgiven others. Only when we are born again and given a new life through God’s Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ are our sins forgiven. Therefore, Jesus is not referring to God’s initial act of forgiveness .. GOD BLESS 🙏
@freedominchrist444
@freedominchrist444 3 ай бұрын
There is a scripture that says those who went out from us were never a part of us. Those who apostasize were tares who were never born again. Just because someone repeated a prayer one time did not mean they were saved. Many false conversions especially in America where gospel message is so often watered down. When a person is saved they believe in there heart Jesus was raised from dead according to romans. It is saving faith. It is a heart conversion. Those who are saved are born from above are sealed with the Spirit as a deposit become children of God pass from death to life and become a new creation. To "lose" salvation one must lose the Spirit promised by the Father to dwell within us as a promise of our inheritance, go from death to life to death again, go from old creation to brand new creation to old creation again. And be unadopted by God who no longer is your Father and then you stop being his child. None of this makes any senses. A true child of God who falls away for a time the Lord goes after and brings back. My God my Father will never abandon me. Even when I stumble as I grow. I am secure in salvation as I grown in sanctification. Either it is finished our sin past present and future has been paid for or it is yet uncomplete. Jesus said it is finished. Paid in full. I love you Rob. I appreciate so many of your videos but this one I respectfully disagree with you.
@robertrlkatz6890
@robertrlkatz6890 2 ай бұрын
I know this much after reading your reply, unless you are saying this because you have been taught that this is the way to becoming a true Christian in your head only, or you are saying this from your heart and that would tell me that freedom in christ is truly free in-Christ and Knows with all-certainty that you will be in Heaven when you die, with absolutely NO-FEAR of going to the place of torment. Why did the KJV Bible have exactly 365 no-fear words mentioned, I think it is Gods reminder of telling the True Christian each day to have no-fear. Have total confidence in me, I WILL see you through.
@huntacademy3041
@huntacademy3041 3 ай бұрын
This was clarifying!!! I have been wrestling with the idea for years of having eternal security without the one and done of “once saved always saved” and this video put words to that concept beautifully!
@teacherlynn671
@teacherlynn671 3 ай бұрын
Very thorough and so many great verses. But for me once the Spirit of God moved into me I was changed forever. Since 1992, I never once doubted my salvation. I have gone prodigal, yes I have, but I have always come back. It is a love affair that never ends and now I savor that love at an older age and cannot wait for more. This video needs to be seen over and over.
@kimartist
@kimartist 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Lynn. My experience was very similar! I wrote a little about it on this video. Bless you 🙏🤍🕊
@teacherlynn671
@teacherlynn671 2 ай бұрын
@@kimartist Thank you for writing
@olympics1234567
@olympics1234567 Ай бұрын
That was nice, to have someone validate the conclusion that I had come to, on this subject.
@galantkoh3917
@galantkoh3917 3 ай бұрын
How would you factor in the concept of being born again? Can one be born again and then die again? Or 2 Cor 5:17, if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation, the old has gone the new has come. Can that be reversed?
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
Watch the video, bro ! He has explained your objection plainly and clearly.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
No it cannot. To teach so, you would be saying that we have the Power to undo what God has done.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
@@krisztianpatay9812 do you spend any time in the Holy Bible?
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance.
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 No one is claiming that we have the power to undo what God has done but you. Another straw man argument! Is that all you can do ?!
@jessecastillo3841
@jessecastillo3841 3 ай бұрын
What an amazing break down of this issue. Never stop moving to Christ. Loving him and submitting to his gory. Even when we mess up. He knows we will and do. That's why he had to send his son to pay the price for every single person. But to reject Christ and backslide away from Jesus. You didn't lose salvation. You give it up. Great video and God bless everyone. Thank you Jesus for today.
@ralphowen3367
@ralphowen3367 2 ай бұрын
Yes ( please proofread your statement) it is "gory" when we say salvation can be lost, and that we still sin as Christians. Good day!
@LampLighter
@LampLighter 22 күн бұрын
It's difficult to believe and understand that God's love never fails, unlike ours!!!
@randymccracken2722
@randymccracken2722 3 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation. Well balanced, looking at the whole message of Scripture. Thanks for tackling this controversial topic. You know there will be lots of feedback!
@billstewart1297
@billstewart1297 2 ай бұрын
This is great. Thanks for this.
@rgmann
@rgmann 3 ай бұрын
The temporary “belief” that Jesus referred to in Luke 8:13 is a product of the sinful human heart and does *not* result in salvation or the forgiveness of sin. Genuine saving faith is a *free gift of God* which is granted solely to the elect whom Jesus came to save (Eph. 2:8-9; Acts 13:48; 16:14; Rom. 12:3). Salvation does *not* depend upon man’s “free will” decision to muster up saving faith or his continual effort to maintain saving faith. As Scripture declares: “So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy” (Rom. 9:16). Thus, Jesus is not referring to a genuine believer who “loses his salvation” in this parable. He’s referring to the same type of “faith” that Judas professed (a human work of his own sinful nature), that *never* resulted in his genuine reliance upon Christ for salvation. Scripture makes this clear: “For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him” (John 6:64). While Judas professed to believe in Christ, and everyone who knew him considered him to be a believer, Jesus Himself said that all along he was “a devil” (John 6:70) and the “son of perdition” (John 17:12). If Judas would have been granted genuine saving faith by God, then he would have received eternal life, remained faithful, and never perished (John 10:25-30), along with the rest of Jesus’ disciples.
@germaan1
@germaan1 2 ай бұрын
Amen
@kadekaiser8596
@kadekaiser8596 2 ай бұрын
Yes, I believe he missed the mark on this one. Above all, we need to remember the sovereignty of God in saving and keeping. We don’t “do” anything to receive life in Christ and we don’t “do” anything to keep it. He saves and preserves His people.
@kimartist
@kimartist 3 ай бұрын
The problem I see with this issue is that it really only matters to each individual. No amount of outside preaching, teaching, arguing, debating, commentary, policy statements, etc. can change/intervene/influence what occurs between God & that person. I speak from experience when I say that the false convert has no idea they're not saved (unless they're a deliberate infiltrator &/or con artist, but I'm not dealing with that sort of thing here). After all, they (the false convert) raised their hand, went to the front, prayed the prayer, signed the "decision card," got baptized, attended church, participated in communion, etc. etc. - how can anyone possibly say they're not part of the club?! That was my perspective as someone who was railroaded into Christianity by the mom of a childhood friend wielding a "4 Spiritual Laws" pamphlet: See? Here's a picture of two cliffs - you're on one side & God’s on the other - how will you cross over?! Then a cross magically appeared across the divide & the little stick figure was able to happily walk over the cross to God. 🤔 Where did the cross come from? What in the world did it mean? I'd never even read the Bible before! Who was that Jesus fellow & why was I supposed to be so eager to cross an imaginary bridge over to Him? I was just a child & nothing bad had ever happened (yet) - no deaths in the immediate family, no divorces, nothing. To me it came across like something I needed to do to preserve the friendship with the childhood friend (because I'd already seen her reject a classmate who couldn't be persuaded to convert). I had NO understanding of what it was all about & I was so young & naive that I didn't even understand that I was just going along with this clumsily-presented "Gospel" to save a friendship that was important to me. She eventually went away to college, got married, etc. & I saw no more reason to keep up the charade, although I would still tell people I was Christian, because, after all, I had done all the "stuff." It wasn't until middle-age when life came crashing down on me personally & I needed HELP! that I started reading the Bible, which was actually prompted by "accidentally" finding a copy of "The Power of Positive Thinking" by Norman Vincent Peale - book I wouldn't recommend now, but he did consistently plead for people to read the Bible for themselves throughout. His recommendation to start with Proverbs/Psalms + Gospels leading into the Epistles, I still find valuable today. I won't go into my testimony here, but I eventually had a real life crisis where God intervened & I tell you what: When God Himself shows up you don't soon forget it & I quite frankly don't know how you could "fall away" from something like that? I mean, once the divide from "head knowledge" to "heart knowledge" is crossed, there's no going back. I'm not saying there were never times of doubt in the intervening years, but the same God Who showed up when I was first saved just kept right on showing up. I've lost count of the prayers answered & miracles seen & He has truly become my Life, my Love, my reason for being. And now I can look back on my false conversion & the difference between then & now is like night & day! But I can honestly say my falsely-converted self really thought she had become saved by all the "secret handshake" stuff (I'm being sarcastic, but that's what it felt like at the time), even though there was no life change, nor even a DESIRE for life change, let alone not even really understanding what in the heck was going on. So I said all this to say that all the back & forth bickering that goes on about this topic doesn't amount to a hill of beans to the person caught in the limbo of a false conversion. No amount of "persuasive words" can ever move them across the line from false to true - God Himself has got to do it. Until then, all this debate is nothing but shouting into the wind. Come Holy Spirit, blow.
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 3 ай бұрын
Very well said, and thanks for sharing your testimony..Praise GOD for all the blessings he has given you 🙏. I just love hearing these testimonies of GOD coming to there rescue so to speak,and how GOD transforms their lives .Amen 🙏. Your comment is a breath of fresh air fr all us Christians. We spend a whole lotta time arguing,falling out over theology, when we miss the basics of the Gospel of Christ Jesus. Jesus even said love each other, love others,love neighbours in need,so that when we do unbelievers can see and know we are of GOD.. I wonder how many truth seekers come on hear and see the arguments,disunity instead of GODS love amongst us ..Thank you fr reminding me,us of what all this about..And please forgive me of the times I may have not shown Christian love to you Kim..GOD BLESS, YOU, AND MAY GODS GRACE,PEACE BE WITH YOU ALWAYS SISTER IN CHRIST ..AMEN 🙏
@kimartist
@kimartist 3 ай бұрын
​@@Mikhael1964 Thank you & may God richly bless you 🙏🤍🕊
@michaelbrutsche75
@michaelbrutsche75 2 ай бұрын
So what your shouting into the wind is OSAS ?
@robertrlkatz6890
@robertrlkatz6890 2 ай бұрын
Do you know with absolute certainty that you will go to Heaven when you die?
@JuliexSteadman
@JuliexSteadman 2 ай бұрын
I was absolutely born again and Spirit filled, a sense of His presence and a supernatural joy that lifted me out of my circumstances and a suicidal depression... This sense of the HS lasted for a couple of months until i sinned in a certain way, I then got involved in a church that taught OSAS and calvanism and it led me into sin because now i was feeling distant from God. I became very confused about how to live it and i went away from the Lord. I wanted what i perceived as an easy life... galations warns us that the flesh wars against the Spirit.. that it is a battle.. Early church fathers (ad70-320 ish) did not teach saved by faith alone or that you couldnt lose your salvation. Calvin went back to augustine ad400, not the early church fathers. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z9mlppVzntHYeZ8.htmlsi=3_KayELr90yfUahh And scripture makes it clear Rom 8:12-14 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation - but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. 13 FOR IF YOU LIVE ACCORDING TO THE SINFUL NATURE, YOU WILL DIE; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. John 15:6 If you do not remain IN me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. v10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love. James 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; AND SIN, WHEN IT IS FULL-GROWN, GIVES BIRTH TO DEATH.
@LampLighter
@LampLighter 22 күн бұрын
For those who believe that they could lose their salvation have not believed in the all sufficiency of Jesus Christ when he said; "it is finished!" The work of reconciliation is complete. Anytime you add anything to Christ's finished work, you are putting him back on the cross. 2 Corinthians 5:15-21 is the ministry of reconciliation as presented by the Apostles! Once saved, always saved! The question then becomes, are you living in the joy of your salvation, or are you miserable in your sins. Blessings! ❤
@waynehobbs5175
@waynehobbs5175 3 ай бұрын
But Jesus died once and for all. But Salvation is a gift from God, This Rob is your first video that seems inconsistent sorry. Probably just my over-analytical thinking. Sovereign God just speaks things into existence and Christ just told his disciplines to follow Him. I believe the Holy Spirit alters our otherwise carnal nature to enjoy a new birth and it happens once.
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
Hebrews 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
@ProdigalSon_8
@ProdigalSon_8 3 ай бұрын
Bro it’s ONCED SAVED ALWAYS SAVED. Stop milking the gospel and mixing the old wine with the new. Romans 11:6 is clear. Learn how to seperate salvation with what we should do here on earth. We are saved regardless and it’s not based on not one drop of works to be saved or to stay saved at all. It’s about Jesus alone. Now let’s love one another cuz I mean look what hate does to people. It’s simple.
@MarkLacerda
@MarkLacerda 3 ай бұрын
Excellent. Very clarifying.
@tomneale6190
@tomneale6190 8 сағат бұрын
As in the Garden of Eden, Sin Separates us from God. When we choose ourselves over our love for God and the Sacrifice of Jesus by sinning, we choose to separate from God. This is why God expelled Adam and Eve, through disobedience, from the garden of Eden. This is why Satan was cast out of heaven. That is when a person loses his salvation. There is no longer a relationship. God and sin do not mix. We are no longer a new creature which occurs in the born new experience. When a person sins they chose to walk away. Jesus said himself go and sin no more. If we could not choose to do so, why would he tell us to do it.
@kylemanningjcic1333
@kylemanningjcic1333 3 ай бұрын
How Many Times Must You Or Can You Be Born Again?
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
That's a silly question. Did you watch the video?
@kylemanningjcic1333
@kylemanningjcic1333 3 ай бұрын
@@krisztianpatay9812 It's Alright If You Don't Know The Answer...
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
This teaching suggests that Jesus must go up and down on the Cross every time we UnBorn ourselves.
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
@@kylemanningjcic1333 Hebrews 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. You fall away once 🤫. It's OK if you can't comprehend it.
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 No, it doesn't! You're making a straw man argument. You must be a Sabbath keeper.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
More confusion. No One Chooses Hell. We are ALL going to Hell. And No One chooses Heaven. C S Lewls's comment is unbiblical. .You said once we believe we can choose not to Believe? So God changes those who are His, hearts of stone to flesh., gives them the faith to believe.and the Indwelling of God . And you believe and teach that man is more powerful than God by choosing to remove All of God's work??? In Colossians Paul was speaking to the Church, as today not everyone is Saved, Remember there were seducers amongst them and Judaizers. Stick with what Jesus said, You quoted Him. There are so many Holes in your theology. I understand why those in Torahism flock to reproof you.
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
I think you're the one who confused. Scripture does talk about falling from the faith and Dr Solberg explained it very well. You must be a Torahism believer.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
@@krisztianpatay9812 Falling from the faith is not losing Your Salvation. You must have saved yourself. Again, not all in a Church are saved. Read the parable of the soils. John 6: 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. -- This covers 2 of Rob's errors. We choose hell and we can choose to lose our Salvation. You must be a Muslim
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
Muslim???, No ! And you ? It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance.
@BingoNamo-gb8pz
@BingoNamo-gb8pz 3 ай бұрын
@@krisztianpatay9812fallen away how? How does one fall away? Let me show you: Galatians 5:1-6 says, “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.” So the very people who are afraid of falling away & begin to trust in their works to keep them saved are ironically & sadly the ones who have fallen away.
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
@@BingoNamo-gb8pz I didn't catch your conclusion. Where does Galatians talk about people who are afraid of falling from grace ???
@graverobbersministry8939
@graverobbersministry8939 2 ай бұрын
Of course God is always faithful and merciful, that’s not the problem, the problem is when people keep saying we are human, we will always make mistakes. Jesus came here to show us how to be successful through him by following his example of love, love conquers all, and allows Gods law to replace our heart of stone to a heart of flesh. Jesus loves the Father so much that not one temptation of sin could penetrate him. Ask yourself, do you really love God? If so, he says keep my commandments in your heart as I have kept my Father’s Commandments in my heart. This is how you fulfill the law, through love, the law in itself cannot save you, it’s by letting the law become your nature that saves you, for now you are back in the image of God. God’s greatest work is transforming people back into His image, like many in life and in scripture.
@stevebegin2489
@stevebegin2489 2 ай бұрын
Great job covering this very well!
@lefthandedleprechaun8702
@lefthandedleprechaun8702 3 ай бұрын
If once saved always saved was true ... Wouldnt Lucifer still be in Heaven?
@kimartist
@kimartist 2 ай бұрын
There's no sin heaven, so why would the angels need salvation?
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 2 ай бұрын
Wow, He wasn't a Human.
@lefthandedleprechaun8702
@lefthandedleprechaun8702 2 ай бұрын
@@kimartist .... Im pretty sure that it was sin that caused Lucifer and his cohorts to be kicked out of Heaven ...
@kimartist
@kimartist 2 ай бұрын
​@@lefthandedleprechaun8702 They got kicked out for sin, but they didn't "lose their salvation." Do you even follow your own premise?
@CharlesWeber-vm6bf
@CharlesWeber-vm6bf 2 ай бұрын
So true. Great analogy.
@idalyhidalgo3087
@idalyhidalgo3087 3 ай бұрын
Amen brother!
@qualitybread7891
@qualitybread7891 10 күн бұрын
I never saw it that way but makes perfect sense. It’s the condition of our heart.
@Buz214
@Buz214 Ай бұрын
Excellent Teaching, I Totally Agree, Blessings On You My Brother In Christ Jesus.
@Jamie-Russell-CME
@Jamie-Russell-CME 3 ай бұрын
I agree with this. Well done.
@BingoNamo-gb8pz
@BingoNamo-gb8pz 3 ай бұрын
May God have mercy on you.
@ccsapastor
@ccsapastor 3 ай бұрын
What study bible do you use? Looking for a new one. Do you have a list of recommended resources.
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 3 ай бұрын
Hi Robert! I use a pretty wide range of study Bibles, commentaries, and monographs. I like to get a range of views as I'm studying. I don't have a recommended resources list. Maybe I should! Here are a few in my collection: NIV Biblical Theology Study Bible NRSV Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible IVP Bible Background Commentary New International Greek Testament Commentary Series Eerdman's Companion to the Bible CSB Ancient Faith Study Bible Faithlife Study Bible Bible Knowledge Commentary New Bible Commentary The Jewish Annotated New Testament Blessings, Robert
@andresmiranda7875
@andresmiranda7875 3 ай бұрын
All those books and not one Bible. It's clear why you don't know the truth, it's because you don't have the words of God.
@kimartist
@kimartist 3 ай бұрын
​@@andresmiranda7875 He listed 5 Bibles. Are you blind? Repent.
@andresmiranda7875
@andresmiranda7875 3 ай бұрын
@@kimartist no, he listed 5 books, not one of them is a Bible. There is only one word of God and it is the authorized KING JAMES BIBLE. All of those "bibles" have removed whole verses and have changed words, now who would do that to God's word? Who was the first to question God and change what God has said. Wake up and repent to true salvation 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (KJV)
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 3 ай бұрын
​@@andresmiranda7875Nonsense, the KJV was written at a time when Jewish hate was rife..It is the most anti Semitic, politically motivated translation on the planet..The translators wanted to please the King, not upset him, so they changed certain scripture so to please him, at the expense ,over truth. It's odd, most of these people who idolise the KJV are in fact American, not British. We here on the UK been Christians Fr over 1800 years . We know how our country very well, we know how our past has been manipulated by our past Royalty,we know how people were biased and brown nosed towards the royalty,always wanting to please them etc..Want to know the real bible, go and study original languages Biblical Hebrew,Greek,Aramaic, as every time scripture is translated to another language, it loses its authenticity..The Good News of Christ Jesus unto Salvation fr mankind however is the same in ALL translations.. That's all we need..Theology,or a bible translation doesn't save you, Jesus does..
@jotink1
@jotink1 2 ай бұрын
The bible is very balanced on this issue. I wish we could be more to. I think this was a more balanced view.
@briantroyer5404
@briantroyer5404 2 ай бұрын
This was a great explanation! You have a great ability to sum up a difficult topic without just discarding one view and accepting another a lot of times it’s not just one theology is right and the other is wrong usually they are both somewhat accurate
@johnfletcher5782
@johnfletcher5782 2 ай бұрын
Yes that comment is true. The Hebrews passage is out of context and in order to keep one’s salvation we must maintain it is nonsensical and unbiblical period. To maintain is to work and earn. It removes Christ’s all sufficiency which is a pillar of our faith. But just like annihilation theory this is yet another old falsehood that is invading the church.
@pierreferguson1300
@pierreferguson1300 3 ай бұрын
But why would the Lord Jesus Christ say the following, if He could lose someone He once saved? John 6:39 “And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of everything that He has given Me I will lose nothing, but will raise it up on the last day.“
@narrowgate760
@narrowgate760 3 ай бұрын
Amen brother!..1Cor 10:9-12 We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents, nor grumble, as some of them did and were destroyed by the Destroyer. Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come. Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.
@thomascoetzee6444
@thomascoetzee6444 3 күн бұрын
AMEN!
@colonelbeanbagsfishing1488
@colonelbeanbagsfishing1488 3 ай бұрын
Gday there Rob, would like to ask about the verses of discipline and chastisement, if someone who has faith goes on doing things or walking away so to say, doesn’t God chastise and discipline that person? Would like your thoughts on that
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
EVERY TRUE Believer has the Indwelling of Holy Spirit, --- Phil 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ ----- I will stand on God's promise
@SydneyThomas-hb9os
@SydneyThomas-hb9os 3 ай бұрын
That believer would be judged accordingly by God but it would not affect their salvation if their faith has truly been placed in God.
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 3 ай бұрын
Hi, Colonel! "The Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son” (Heb. 12:6, ) "Blessed is the one you discipline, Lord, the one you teach from your law" (Ps. 94:12) "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline.(A) So be earnest and repent." (Rev. 3:19) RLS
@colonelbeanbagsfishing1488
@colonelbeanbagsfishing1488 3 ай бұрын
@@TheBiblicalRoots thanks Rob, I really appreciate that.
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
Hebrews 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
@RodrigoVibar
@RodrigoVibar 3 күн бұрын
God clearly and definitely said in Acts 13:47-48 and Ephessians 1:3-5, that before the foundation of the world God elected and predistined those He had chosen to inherit the kingdom of God in heaven. God never fails and He never change His eternal plan and purpose.
@John-qi4zr
@John-qi4zr 4 күн бұрын
Does "fall away" mean these people were saved but lost their salvation? That interpretation contradicts Ephesians 1:13-14. Does it refer to apostates who fully understood the way to salvation and rejected it, and now cannot be saved? That's an extreme view considering how many religious leaders rejected Jesus during His ministry but later joined the church (Acts 6:7).
@TheBiblicalRoots
@TheBiblicalRoots 3 күн бұрын
That's the big question, isn't it? Many wise and God-loving Christians throughout history have taken different perspectives on that issue. RLS
@Animalsandwildlife.7527
@Animalsandwildlife.7527 3 ай бұрын
I think you got it correct today. Salvation is free but once you get it for free you become part of God's covenant where you supposed to practice the love of God and love of your neighbors.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
If I don't practice the love of God was I then saved? Or are you saying if I don't I then lose my salvation? So what do you mean supposed?
@creolefemme9829
@creolefemme9829 22 күн бұрын
I think I finally have my answer on this question. Thank you for this video.
@endtimesareuponus8930
@endtimesareuponus8930 26 күн бұрын
"He who PRACTICES Righteousness is righteous" Book of First John
@brianprice2350
@brianprice2350 2 ай бұрын
Hey Rob, what do you think about Matthew 6:14-15 ? For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. Does this speak against once saved, always saved? And is it considered works to forgive others that sin against you?
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 Ай бұрын
Matthew 6 does not teach that our eternal destiny is based on our forgiving other people,it's not about our Salvation ..however, it does teach that our relationship with God will be damaged if we refuse to pardon those who have offended us. The Bible is clear that God pardons sin by His grace based on Christ’s work on the cross alone, not on man’s actions. Our right standing before Him is established on one thing only-the finished work of Christ (John 3:16; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10). The penalty for the sin that is rightly ours is paid by Christ, and we obtain it by grace through faith, not by any righteous deeds of our own (Ephesians 2:8-9). No one will be able to stand before God demanding that his sins be forgotten simply because he has forgiven others. Only when we are born again and given a new life through God’s Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ are our sins forgiven. Therefore, Jesus is not referring to God’s initial act of forgiveness (reconciliation) that we experienced when we first believed the Gospel. What He is referring to is the day-to-day cleansing we obtain when we confess our sins in order to restore fellowship with our heavenly Father-the fellowship which is interrupted by the daily tarnishing of sin that affects us all. This is not the wholesale cleansing from sin that comes with salvation by grace through faith.. Whether Matthew 6:14-15 is speaking of "relational forgiveness," or whether it is a declaration that unforgiveness is the mark of an unbeliever, the core truth is the same. We should forgive others because God, through Christ, has forgiven us (Ephesians 4:32). It is wrong for someone who has truly experienced God’s forgiveness to refuse to grant forgiveness to others.
@oneofmanyvessels554
@oneofmanyvessels554 2 ай бұрын
Look at this way, the way it is. God won't forsake you as far as it depends on Him. However, our volition is still intact. Just as in marriage, a husband (Like Hosea the prophet) may be totally faithful and committed to his wife and will never leave her. However, she (like Gomer) can and often will choose to leave her husband. Falling away and apostasy are real.
@divinity996
@divinity996 2 ай бұрын
The major premise of the doctrine asserts that once you believe, you can't "unbelieve", because it would imply you never truly believed in the first place...
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 Ай бұрын
Greetings Brother in Christ 🙏. After watching this video , I checked it with scripture ,as taught in 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Also I studied the Ante Nicea Church Father's records ( Pre 325ad actual students of the apostles ) on what there writings,letters,Church letters etc,and what they were saying about Eternal Security. And it's basically similar to what you say ,and the Bible says . Indeed , Salvation is a journey, via loyalty etc.. Another point to back this up is..The Words "Faith" and "Belief" back then does not necessarily mean what it does now. The greek word "Pistis' is what we use in the NT translation, translated as "Faith" or "Belief " ,can and does involve; regarding something as true or real. Akin to how we may say:" I have faith that GOD exists", or "my beliefs are different from yours". However the greek word 'Pistis' and related terms have a much broader ranger of meaning. This range includes ideas that are not usually associated in our contemporary culture with '"belief " or "faith",such as reliability, confidence,assurance,fidelity, faithfulness, commitment and pledged loyalty. So the question is,when someone today says; " I am saved by my Faith in Jesus" what portion of the word "Faith" is understood to affect Salvation? Are certain portions of the legitimate meaning of "Faith" being unwittingly shaded out? . In What capacity is Jesus being regarded as the object of " Faith " ? And what mental images surround the process of Salvation? Do for example, when Paul says; " For it is by Grace you have been saved through Faith" (Eph2;8), what if Paul's idea of "Faith" (Pistis) differs from typical contemporary understandings ? ie; Paul meant ; Commitment,Pledged Loyalty,Allegiance instead of our own contemporary cultural meaning..I have more evidence of this to back you up Rob.. Book resources etc ? GOD BLESS 🙏..
@user-rg1ms6sj2k
@user-rg1ms6sj2k 3 ай бұрын
@TheBiblicalRoots Recommend creating a follow up to this. I hear what you are saying about relationship with the Lord. However, it seems everyone has a list of things that must be done. For example, SDA will say all true believers will want to keep Sabbath, and if you don’t and repeatedly ignore the Holy Spirit’s calling you to keep… you have chosen to leave your faith. What “sins” repeatedly done lose your salvation? And how?
@michaelbrutsche75
@michaelbrutsche75 2 ай бұрын
Do you think that time with the Lord builds a stronger relationship?
@user-rg1ms6sj2k
@user-rg1ms6sj2k 2 ай бұрын
@@michaelbrutsche75 Yes. After posting the above watched a video on Ryan Reeves channel. He has one on Luther’s and Calvin’s views on Justification and Sanctification. One thing he (Reeves) points out about Luther’s concern how easy sanctification can be misunderstood or tuned into a merits based perception that says it maintains one’s justification…. Instead of the natural result of being justified. Being raised in a system that emphasizes this principle in subtle ways - sets one up to hearing those ideas over and over - even when not intended by the speaker. Made me feel better that this confusion has been around a long time.
@michaelbrutsche75
@michaelbrutsche75 2 ай бұрын
@@user-rg1ms6sj2k Do you think it’s possible to remain justified when the natural result of it doesn’t continue?
@user-rg1ms6sj2k
@user-rg1ms6sj2k 2 ай бұрын
@@michaelbrutsche75 I believe that is an unhelpful question - as the focus is turned on human nature. I believe what Paul is illustrating is that we are solely saved by Christ and the historical fact of what he did for us. Our works, good deeds and etc are not merits for earning salvation- less we boast and admire our accomplishments. The tension and easily misunderstood aspects- is we are given instructions or commandments on how to follow God. But we are never to confuse our works as meriting us salvation. When we look at each other or ourselves and we begin to measure our change then I think we can easily begin to have pride grab us. The challenge is to experience a changed life at whatever pace it happens to each of us … to have our hearts and minds renewed- yet we praise the Lord for it. Trying to measure yourself.. I believe that can create a warped view - if we are not careful. Love for each other is the main factor and that is looking outside of ourselves…. Not inwardly. My attempt is practical not theoretical. Somehow, the internal perspective- I fear - opens us up to discouragement or pride. So thinking practically we must focus on Christ and others.
@youngknowledgeseeker
@youngknowledgeseeker 2 ай бұрын
Can we not agree that simply put "if you love me you will keep my instructions", and "I am the vine and my father the vinedresser" and again "the wise man built his house on the rocks" and again "not all who say to me Lord Lord will enter into heaven but only those who do the will of my Father" are rather clear statements that seem to emphasize obedience. However, the New Testament makes clear that it's faith God seeks, like with Abraham. But faith, I think, is the driving principle of "obedience", it's the energizing "life-breath" of obedience like what oxygen is to our bodies. In other words, if we truly have faith surely we will live a life accordingly to that sincere and earnest belief. However, I don't know if we are to go so far as to say obedience doesn't matter. I do think James warns of a pure "head-knowledge" faith, where one believes in the mind but doesn't ever act on it. He compares that man to demons who also have faith that God exists but it doesn't do them any good. Paul also talks about the men who twist God's grace into license to sin, he says they *will* be condemned.
@playworksdurban
@playworksdurban 3 ай бұрын
This is rightly dividing the Word of Truth. 👌Amen
@anthonycarbonaro7890
@anthonycarbonaro7890 3 ай бұрын
Jesus discussed the concept of being "born again" during his conversation with Nicodemus, a Pharisee, in the Gospel of John, chapter 3. The key verses are John 3:3-7: "Jesus replied, 'Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.' 'How can someone be born when they are old?' Nicodemus asked. 'Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!' Jesus answered, 'Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’" What Did Jesus Mean by "Born Again"? Spiritual Rebirth: Jesus explained that being "born again" is a spiritual transformation rather than a physical one. It involves a renewal and rebirth through the Holy Spirit. Water and Spirit: The mention of being born of "water and the Spirit" is often interpreted to refer to baptism and the receiving of the Holy Spirit. Water symbolizes cleansing and repentance, while the Spirit signifies new life and regeneration. New Identity in Christ: Being "born again" signifies a fundamental change in identity, moving from a life governed by sin to a new life led by the Spirit. This transformation involves repentance from sin, faith in Jesus Christ, and living according to His teachings. Entering the Kingdom of God: Jesus emphasized that this spiritual rebirth is necessary to "see" or "enter" the kingdom of God, implying that it is essential for salvation and a relationship with God. Implications for Believers Repentance and Faith: The concept of being born again highlights the necessity of repenting from sin and placing faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Baptism: Many Christian traditions see baptism as an outward sign of this inward transformation and rebirth. Transformation: Believers are called to live transformed lives, reflecting their new identity in Christ through their actions and character. The dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus illustrates that this new birth is a profound and mysterious work of the Holy Spirit, fundamentally changing a person's heart and life orientation.
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
water is not baptism. Birthing water. Born of flesh and then born of spirit - Born Again. Where did you copy that from? Jesus has No Concepts
@AlanNewlove
@AlanNewlove 3 ай бұрын
I appreciate the depth of scriptural analysis. We cannot "lose" our salvation when we live by faith, but should we intentionally separate ourselves (apistis) we disconnect from the source of our eternal life with God.
@jacobwithrow3799
@jacobwithrow3799 3 ай бұрын
Rob, I have been blessed by your work on the Hebrew Roots movement. I think that your emphasis on the dynamic nature of faith, and taking the warning passages in the NT as real (as opposed to merely hypothetical or teaching loss of salvation after genuine faith), is true. But, viewing those passages as a means of perseverance seems more in line with the Biblical teaching about Jesus preserving believers in John 10, for example, as opposed to the philosophical "love is a choice" argument. God warns us not to fall away, not because that is something that will happen, but as a means of preventing something that He has guaranteed. Like sternly warning a child not to mess around while crossing a ridgeline. You won't allow the child to fall so long as you're there, but the warning is necessary in order to make it to the other side. Maybe you totally agree with this, I'd love to know what you think! Shalom
@Miranda-cs2io
@Miranda-cs2io Ай бұрын
So, if someone apostatize, will that person still go to heaven? Thanks.
@corneroftruth2023
@corneroftruth2023 20 күн бұрын
@@Miranda-cs2io nope if someone wilfully turn there back on God and does not repent and turn back to God they have chosen the path of self destruction. That doesn’t mean that God doesn’t go after them and try to draw them back, He will come looking for his lost sheep but God will not overrule your free will. The choice is ours, God is not going to force you into heaven and follow Him. Hope this helps, God bless
@johntrevett2944
@johntrevett2944 5 күн бұрын
Romans 8:30 alone states all that are justified will be glorified. Anyone that says otherwise is nothing more than a modern day Judiazer who believes they are co-savior with Christ.
@freecamel3
@freecamel3 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for how clearly you explain this..
@dashriprock5720
@dashriprock5720 19 күн бұрын
I'm trying to understand Hebrews 10:26 26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins. Then around 10:25 you said "we cannot out sin His grace" (or mercy) Does that contradict Hebrews? I thought Hebrews was addressing Jews who were returning to the sacrificial system. This gets confusing for me, especially after i turn my back on the Lord and willfully commit sin. I feel like the repentance I experienced this passed 18 months or so, is not good enough as far as willful sin. I view it differently, I hate it, I am happy to reject it..most of the time I'm disgusted and repulsed by it. Then something happens to me, and I give into temptation. I commit willful sin far, far less often, But when all is said and done, I feel like all I'm doing is sinning less and that I'm not sincere about my repentance if i still give into temptation. So many versus that make me fear I can sin away my salvation. I don't have chapter and versus ready, I'll try to quote my best from memory. (2?) Peter; "Spend you time on earth in fear, we are called to be holy" "You have not yet resisted temptation to the point of drawing your own blood" And the dreaded "depart from me I never knew you, you workers of lawlessness" Obviously Christians who thought they were serving Christ. So who are they, did they sin away their salvation? I truly desire not to sin anymore. at least deliberate willful sin, and yet every now and then I do.
@Kevin-tt5ey
@Kevin-tt5ey 17 күн бұрын
Brother a simple advice I can give you is get a hold of Christ by heart, His saving grace, His power to deliver us from all sin and death, by faith in him we can be saved and produce good fruits. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing” (John 15:4-5)
@dashriprock5720
@dashriprock5720 17 күн бұрын
@@Kevin-tt5ey thank you
@bareanite5055
@bareanite5055 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Rob so much for this much needed teaching!
@stevenhenry2146
@stevenhenry2146 2 ай бұрын
I prefer "not saved, never saved" as a better synopsis of perseverance. As John says "they went out from us because they were not of us".
@chrisart4you
@chrisart4you 2 ай бұрын
I always thought that this referred to those who believed in a different doctrine about who Jesus was. They "went out" because of who Jesus is. Which was a different teaching. The Gnostics. They said He didn't come in the flesh. Meaning Christ didn't have a real body.
@dwaynejluoma9959
@dwaynejluoma9959 3 ай бұрын
If you can prove that God takes away your freewill then you have a point, God will not force you into heaven if you reject that salvation ,
@salpezzino7803
@salpezzino7803 3 ай бұрын
None Seek Out God No Not One. We all going to Hell, unless God gives us the Faith to Believe. -- Not of our own doing so no Man can boast. So our free will sends us to Hell, I thank God He chose me first, because I would have never soosen Him
@dwaynejluoma9959
@dwaynejluoma9959 3 ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 John 3:16 , calvinist are so funny, their arrogance is astounding, what makes you so special, Jesus died for the world not just for you,
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 3 ай бұрын
In this discussion, I think 1 John 2:19 is key. It reads, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.”.. To paraphrase 1 John 2:19: “If anyone departs from the faith, they are demonstrating that they were never truly in the faith, for if they have been of the faith, they would not have departed. The fact that they have departed from the faith explicitly demonstrates that they were never a part of the faith.” I truly believe GODS word is telling us ; OSAS unless not saved in the first place . It's the only way to reconcile the various scripture on the subject of Salvation..
@dwaynejluoma9959
@dwaynejluoma9959 3 ай бұрын
@@Mikhael1964 do your really think this is the only scenario there is there can be others?
@dwaynejluoma9959
@dwaynejluoma9959 3 ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 Non-Christians seek God look at every religion in the world is a seeking for a God just the wrong one, there is a longing for every human to have something greater than themselves
@raptureready6002
@raptureready6002 2 ай бұрын
I don’t know why this is still even a debate. Yes true born again Christians have eternal salvation. But the ones who fall from the faith were NEVER Christians to begin with. If people could simply understand that the majority have fraud faith would make it very clear why many return or stay in willful sin. It’s because they are not working with the Holy Spirit power to overcome sin. They have not crucified their flesh. It’s easy to understand. We are saved from absolutely no works for salvation. But AFTER salvation will bring obedience from their love and gratitude for God. They love God more than their sin, and one forgiven will find it nauseating to go back to what separated them from God to begin with. Many don’t even understand God’s grace and that makes it very dangerous. God’s grace for the willful sinner is only his patience for them to repent and be born again. And God‘s grace for the true convert sanctifies them into holy living. You will know them from their fruit on who is frustrating the grace of God. They will be the ones that defend their sin more than holiness. They will be the ones that Jesus says depart for me workers of iniquity.
@JuliexSteadman
@JuliexSteadman 2 ай бұрын
..no, I know I was born again and yet I wanted to go off and live my own life because it appeared to be easier... and yet i had experienced the fullness of the Holy Spirit, an amazing supernatural joy that lifted me out of a suicidal depression... ...when i lost my awareness of his presence after a couple of months due to a certain sin and then getting involved with a wacky church that confused me about how to live it... I wanted to go off and live with my boyfriend, did not want to bother with marriage and all that committment.. wanted to live my own life... God did send me warnings... But living it was not automatic... i still had to choose... in galations 5 it says that the flesh wars against the Spirit, it is still a battle.. the church where i got confused taught, once saved always saved and it led me into sin... scripture clearly doesnt teach that, look at the parable of the sower for example.... the early church fathers (ad70-320) didnt teach that, Calvins theology went back to Augustine ad400 which had gnostic leanings... Here is david bercot on what did the early christian fathers teach about salvation. His book will the theologians please sit down is very good as well... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gOChd7lqlqeqgKM.htmlsi=cCYNUOKSHI9RZnYD
@berth8539
@berth8539 Ай бұрын
I don't think it's quite that way, even if much of what you say seems on target. I still go back to numerous passages like Colossians 1:22-23. It's evident, at least upon the basic read, that there are many who are legitimately in faith but, for various reasons, fall away from it. That's not the same as "never having been a true believer." 1:22 but now he has reconciled you by his physical body through death to present you holy, without blemish, and blameless before him - 1:23 IF indeed you remain in the faith, established and firm, without shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard.
@mrericrossify
@mrericrossify 3 ай бұрын
Can you have faith lose it and then regain it and be saved? Is the waxing and waning concept applicable to those valleys or at what point does it become "impossible" for someone to return to faith and be saved?
@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436
@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 3 ай бұрын
This guy has no idea what he is talking about. Do not ask Bible questions to the Biblically illiterate. No saved person can ever lose their salvation, Period!
@Mikhael1964
@Mikhael1964 3 ай бұрын
The simple answer to your questions is; Once Saved Always Saved,unless not saved in the first place..Eg; John 2:19 ; “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.” To paraphrase 1 John 2:19: “If anyone departs from the faith, they are demonstrating that they were never truly in the faith, for if they have been of the faith, they would not have departed. The fact that they have departed from the faith explicitly demonstrates that they were never a part of the faith.”..
@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436
@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 3 ай бұрын
@@Mikhael1964 ,...You have spoken correctly!
@Samy-sx6kn
@Samy-sx6kn 3 ай бұрын
It’s just the question what’s the origin of true saving faith? God or men?. And is keep the faith and be faithful your merit or gods grace?
@D80pfb
@D80pfb 2 ай бұрын
"E'en tho He slay me, yet will I praise Him." I know I deserve hells fire and damnation. "But I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day!" My salvation is not contingent on me but on Christ.
@seanvann1747
@seanvann1747 3 ай бұрын
Excellent understanding 👏 22. and the righteousness of God [is] through the faith of Jesus Christ to all, and upon all those BELIEVING, -- for there is no difference, (Romans, 3) God declares the one that is in a present state of BELIEVING as righteous. 🙌 God bless!
@krisztianpatay9812
@krisztianpatay9812 3 ай бұрын
What a great teaching again! Simply explained, scripture based and well articulated as always, Dr Solberg!!! 👍🏻👍🏻🙏
@michaeldavidschannel8199
@michaeldavidschannel8199 21 күн бұрын
but the thing is if Jesus told you that you would never perish Jesus name it in your future you’re walk away from the faith what would Jesus be doing? another way if you’re having a conversation with Jesus and he told you, you were never perish and were asking Lord, how can you keep me from pluck myself from my hand? How would he answer you at the knowledge that the Bible does teach that the others and leave for a while and then walk away from the faith. just like the just like the purple you just mentioned he did tell Peter that he would in the ham three times in one cents he could not say someone you wanna perish if you knew that in the future, they would walk away from the faith and be lost but at the same time I can’t say that there’s that for a while if they die in why believing that their loss either so I’m kind of stuck
@christ.8547
@christ.8547 4 күн бұрын
*being saved does not solidify a guarantee that the nature of sin will be dispersed and not take place**having instituonaL(or at a minimum) a sound understanding of the levitical and it's 'atoning' process in getting back to 'at-one-ment'(atonement) with the g-d...*** the catholic's use the process of 'reconciliation' to achieve this process and is extremely helpful in one reviewing of their self concious and beginning the getting back to "at-one-ment" with g-d...the levitical system while 'dated' is still at the perogative of the jewish people and their leadership...****but both are acceptable in my opinion...to achieve g-ds intended outcome... many blessing's..💙✌🏽.
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