It's poetic how the reboot with The Lizard, the villain Sony wanted, flopped hard, yet the reboot with The Vulture, the villain the actual director with artistic vision wanted, is widely successful.

So you're saying that if Sony just butted out of Raimi's business and allowed him to make his version of Spider-man 3, we would have gotten one of the best trilogies of all time? *sigh*...

Actually it was Sony’s idea to have Felicia Hardy be the Vultress as they thought black cat was too much like Catwoman. But Rami debunked this rumor as he said that she would have been black cat If Spiderman 4 was made.

*Sam Raimi* : I didn't choose to do this *Fans* : We forgive you

"Spider-man 3 was torn to shreds by critics" *Shows 63% fresh Rotten Tomatoes rating*...

I will say this for 3; Thomas Haden Church was FANTASTIC as the Sandman. I see a lot of hate thrown his way, but honestly a lot of it comes across as him just getting caught in the crossfire of the backlash directed at all the actual bad things about the movie. Sort of like how Kevin Smith's Jersey Girl is actually a fine movie. It just had the bad luck to come out the same calendar year as that other movie with both Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez. That one that actually sucked. :/

Spider-Man 4 would've been sick 😭

Spider-man 4 would've been great but I'm extremely happy spidey finally has an amazing movie again in 13 years and he's in a better place in the MCU.

Okay so I remember as a little kid after the release of Spider-Man 3 on the official website I remember seeing a certain picture. It was the number 4(in the spider-man font) dripping what looked to be blood. Below the number there was a caption it said " We will have our revenge". As a kid I thought it was going to be Carnage but who knows. Also I cant find the picture anywhere and its driving me crazy.

6:42 So what villains were not used as major characters in the movies?: Rhino (Amazing Spider-Man 2), Shocker (Spider-Man Homecoming), Mysterio (Spider-Man Far From Home), and Prowler (Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse).

Shame on Sony!

I really wish Spider-Man 4 happened, but I'm more than happy with Spider-Man Homecoming and Spider-Man being part of the MCU.

The fan theory I always heard was that Bruce Campbell was secretly Chameleon, not Mysterio.

Sounds like a bunch of spider-man 4 ideas was used for homecoming cause Peter does take the vulture's daughter on a date to the school dance and they turned the multiple villains into multiple heroes but watered it down cause the mcu is meant to be kid friendly cause of being owned by Disney

If Spider-Man 4 came out, there is a 50/50 chance it would be a success in which the Amazing Spiderman movie series would either never happen or would be delayed. If those movies didn't happen earlier enough, we wouldn't see him in Civil War and probably won't see Spiderman in the MCU. So in a way, I like what Spiderman 3 did😂. Never thought I'd say that.

Godzilla 1994. The unmade American Godzilla film we were supposed to get before we got...the 1998 one.

Really I think they should have just let Rami do his thing because then they could possibly have had a five movie franchise. Spider-man 3 would have been better if they had just cut out Venom and the New Goblin and focused on Spider-man struggle with symbiot, which would have been supplemented very well with the Sandman subplot. Then for Spider-man 4 they could have focused on the battle between Spider-man and Venom, with Eddie Brock constantly showing up in Peter's life to let him know that he knows who Spider-man is and where to hurt him, all building to that epic battle we wanted to see in Spider-man 3. Then for Spider-man 5, they could have had Spider-man and Venom team up to fight Carnage. That would have been rad. Instead we got an okay reboot, a poor sequel and now a very week entry in the MCU.....yeah I didn't really care for Homecoming.

Spider-Man (1990s film) Batman Triumphant/Unchained The Spectacular Spider-Man Season 3 1990s/2000s Batman/Superman crossover film

Actually Raimi said in an interview back around 2012/2013 that Anne Hathaway was supposed to become Black Cat

poor rami he was.forced to.do.shit he didnit want

Bruce Campbell being Mysterio would’ve been fucking hilarious.

Freakin' Sony. Broke my heart. Homecoming's helped to heal the wound, but it hurt for years having Raimi's original epic cut short. On an unrelated note, I loved Kingsley's Mandarin. It was a brilliant performance, I say!

Now Sam Raimi is directing Dr. Strange 2!

63%=torn to shreds Anyway, I can think of a few things that went unmade, though nowhere near as well known as the stuff you usually cover. There was going to be a Disney animated series based on Kingdom Hearts. Storyboards were uploaded to Deviantart and rumor has it a tape of the story reel for the pilot still exists in the Disney Archives.

me and my friends love to watch Sam raimi Spider-Man because his Spider-Man movies is best Spider-Man movies of all time

"Venom is just an angry monster" Venom in most of his comics: is a f*cking goofball

You know what I find hilarious? Most of the villains that Spider-Man would've fought in the opening of Spider-Man 4 would later play larger roles in future movies like Rhino in Amazing 2, Shocker in Homecoming and Mysterio in the upcoming Far from Home.

rami is the king of spidey movies

Here's an idea, why not animate Spider Man 4. I don't think the animated Miles Morales Spider Man film is set in the MCU. So I don't think it would be a problem to make it but just make it an animated direct to DVD film.

I had heard that back in the mid 2000's a director (I forgot who. I read this back when I was in high school.) was trying to pitch a Metroid movie and the director was contacted by Paris Hilton who was interested in playing Samus Aran. And around the same time I had also heard over the radio that they were planning an american made live action Cowboy Bebop movie with Keanu Reeves set to play Spike Spiegel. But plans for both movies fell through.

Personally i liked Spiderman 3. Nor a perfect movie, but i still liked it. Its one of those fanboy movies OTHER fanboys told me to hate.

Originally Spider-Man 2 was not just going to have Doc Ock, Harry Osborn and J. Jonah Jameson as the villains it was also going to have The Lizard as Villain 2 and Black Cat as villain 3 but The Lizard and Black Cat were scrapped

"Torn to shreds by the critics" as he shows a screenshot of a 60% fresh rating lmao

Homecoming is cool and all but this trilogy was my entire childhood. I'd take Spider-Man 4 over any of the past few spidey films, including homecoming

Thank god rami’s gonna do doctor strange 2.

If Spiderman 4 ever gets made, heres an idea Keep the montage opening, ending with mysterio's arrest, play it very easy going, like Peter has been having no problem taking down these villains over the past almost 20 years. Then cut to modern day, Peter stops at an apartment to pick up his 10 year old daughter Annie May Parker, so he can walk her to school. Turns out Peter and MJ are separated and later it's revealed why, that conflict with Mysterio was a year ago. Just like the Goblin, Octopus and Venom he discovered Peter's identity and while those 3 had previously gone after MJ (which she was willing to live with.), Mysterio went after Annie May. They are trying to work thing out, but whats getting in the way is Spiderman. Peter having trouble balancing his responsibilities as a hero and as a father. maybe at the start he doesn't even make it all the way to the school before something comes up. Also maybe Peter is applying for a job at Adian Toones company. Maybe MJ is offered a chance at a hollywood career and is considering leaving New York, both for the opportunity and Annie's safety. Maybe Annie May doesn't know Peter is Spiderman and starts developing spider powers. Maybe finds Peter's old human spider wrestling outfit and uses it while testing out her powers. As for villains, make it a battle of families. stick with Vulture, but instead of Black Cat, go with Silver Sable as the daughter, maybe incorproate aspects of silvermaine into Vulture. Obviously at the end Peter and MJ get back together.

I love these types of videos. Just you and your passion.

2018 still waiting for Spider-Man 4 and the amazing Spider-Man 3

Have you watched Spider-Man 3: Editor's Cut? It removes the infamous butler scene.

I always thought that Vultress thing was a joke. I’m glad it didn’t happen

love your videos. glad to see you're still going strong with videos. you're hilarious, and you make a lot of great points I either agree with or never thought of about my favorite movies.

8:42 From what I heard this led to Peter and MJ getting divorced in the story, and that plot point was revived in Into The Spider-Verse, though I can't confirm it because I heard it was true but I don't know for a fact if it's true. 6:45 The Prowler is especially Z-list if we're talking Hobie Brown (the original Prowler) because Spider-Verse is what made the Aaron Davis version of the character well-known, meanwhile the only version of the Prowler who was in a mainstream, well-received Spider-Man adaptation, where he is the Prowler (Spectacular Spider-Man doesn't count because he was never the Prowler in that), is Spider-Man the Animated series where he appears in a whopping total of one episode. Speaking of Spider-Verse because of Spider-Punk, it made a version of Hobie Brown that isn't the Prowler more mainstream than the version that is the Prowler.

haha, i love the use of the classic Spiderman theme at the end. just as great as S-M:HC using it at the beginning.

Curt Conners as Lizard was a natural progression. He had been setup very well in _Spider-Man 2_ and _3_..... It's a shame we got the geico lizard instead. Bleh.

i was wondering was there going to be a 3rd Tim Burton batman movie?

I would've wanted to see Carnage and The Lizard in Spider-Man 4!

Your research is SPOT ON Erod!

Would love to see you tackle either Batman Triumphant, Superman Lives, Stan Winston's Godzilla, or the two Universal Kong remakes of 1975 and 1996.

I really like these videos about projects that never came to fruition. When you get the chance, I suggest doing one on two attempts that were done to bring Jurassic Park to animation.

I really think that there was more to tell in the Sam Ramni movies. They should have just moved Venom to the next movie and kept the villain of the third to Harry Osburn, a little to Sandman. But since we got a reboot instead, it didn't feel the same movies to me.

And now Sony stormed out of negotiations with Disney and is hoarding him to themselves. Man I am feeling like we're going to be seeing deja vu.

Wow, I just realized we saw spiderman 4. I'm happy now

Please do an episode on Batman Triumphant

7:13 Quentin Beck: Anyway, before I was so rudely interrupted, at that time, I was a ring announcer...

2:36 no Sam Raimi was going to have Sandman as the main villain, Ben Kingsley as Vulture as villain 2 and New Goblin as villain 3 Sam Raimi Never wanted to do Vulture as a solo villain and he was never forced to change it to Sandman he wanted to do the 2 at the same time 3:18 Sam Raimi didn't want to make Harry Green Goblin so he made him New Goblin 3:29 Avi Arad told him to put Venom in there because of how everyone loves him and Raimi refused at first but Sony joined him and forced him to put Venom in there and he did at the cost of taking Vulture out but he was forced to make another change make Venom the Main Villain and Sandman villain 2 6:43 the villains he was going to fight at the beginning were gonna be Mysterio, Shocker, Prowler, Rhino and maybe Stilt-Man 7:14 that theory was confirmed to be true 7:44 Sam Raimi wanted Vulture as villain 2 in Spider-Man 3 7:57 Ben Kingsley wasn't busy Sam Raimi Now wanted John Malkovich to play Vulture 9:45 at first Sony wanted Felicia Hardy to be The Vulturess and Sam Raimi agreed and went with it 10:23 not true The Lizard was going to be villain 3 in this movie confirmed by Dylan Baker and Sam Raimi Sony asked Raimi to put multiple villains in the movie like Electro, Scorpion, Hobgoblin and Morlun 13:39 you forgot to mention The Lizard was going to be in the movie as villain 3 the main villains were gonna be John Malkovich as Adrian Toomes/The Vulture Anne Hathaway as Felicia Hardy/The Vulturess Dylan Baker as Dr. Curtis "Curt" Connors/The Lizard Cameo Villains Bruce Campbell as Quentin Beck/Mysterio Unknown as Herman Schultz/The Shocker Unknown as Hobie Brown/The Prowler Unknown as Aleski Systavich/The Rhino Sam Raimi as Stilt-Man (Sam Raimi was thinking about putting Stilt-Man in the movie for a Cameo it was never confirmed if he ended up doing it though and rumors said Sam Raimi was going to play Stilt-Man) J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson and Gwen Stacy was added in Spider-Man 3 for popularity reasons like Venom

I also heard that Michael Jackson was intending to buy Spider-Man licence from Marvel,but it never happened.

How I would fix Spider Man 3, and I know my idea will be the same as some other ppl: I would keep Harry , but I would have him inherit Norman’s GREEN GOBLIN suit, weapons, and gadgets instead of looking like a futuristic ninja on a surfboard. I would also keep the symbiote suit but remove Sandman and Venom The single main villain should be Harry since the first two films have been building up to Harry’s conflict with Peter anyways. The entire movie should’ve had Spider Man in the symbiote suit(maybe for a few weeks or months in the span of the movie) and removed it at the very end And maybe teased Venom at the very end of Spider Man 3 to be the villain of Spider Man 4

Okay everyone call me crazy, I want all of you to call me the most craziest guy in the world but I FUCKING Loved Spider-Man 3, I do i just loved but not as much as Spider-Man 2.

I have heard that, not only did they want Lizard, but a Lizard to become infected by a piece of the Venom Symbiote product, Symbiote Lizard. That I think would have been very cool.

This is a great series ERod

wow, I never thought of Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. I love the idea😄

Anne Hathaway using her blonde hair for Felicia Hardy in Spider-Man 4.

Heaving multiple villains in a movie isn't inherently bad... It all just depends on proper balance and direction.

Mystery would actually make a good primary antagonist.

honestly, i'm glad that spider-man 4 did not happen. for the sake that none of what we have now would have had happened unless spider-man 4 never happened and the amazing spider-man films bombed. in another dimension, spider-man 4 probably exists and spider-man never gets to be with the other heroes

Awesome! You put the 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' theme by Michael Giacchino over the credits!

I like to hear an episode about the unmade 1992 Godzilla vs the griffin that Tri-Star was planning to make before the Roland Emmerich one.

Thanks for doing this!

Batman Unchained: the third Joel Schumacher Batman film.

I'm sure that at some point Avi Arad would have tried to force Carnage in there since he's obsessed with the Symbiotes cause they sell the most toys.

Excellent story ERod!

2:03 5 years later it would be replaced by a NEW Spider-Man 3

The Fifth Batman movie - Batman Triumphat. That seems to be an interesting story.

If they had done Spider-Man 4, would've been interesting if they carried on with Sandman's story, and maybe introduced Carnage as a villain.

I really like this new Legends of the fandom, I hope you keep making it.

I wonder what Sam Raimi thinks on Spider-Man: Homecoming.

Thank you E-Rod, really enjoyed this! Really interesting.

Awesome video Erod! Cannot wait for the Honest Review of Spectacular Spider-Man!

Man I wish this movie was made but I would of preferred if Lizard was the Final Villein instead of Vulture because it would of been more tragic for Peter to lose another friend. Also I love the Idea for the opening and I think the 4th movie would end with Peter and Mary Jane finally getting married and it would be implied that Peter would continue being Spider-Man no matter what :)

3:30 he's the reason we never found out what happened to Mary Jane in spiderman the animated series because of disagreements between him and network head Margaret loesch the show was cancelled so the show was supposed to get a 6th season

2:05 No, I will not soak it in. Btw, as of 2269 RE (Soak that in!), Far From Home is currently the #1 most profitable Spiderman film! So let's recap with current box office rankings = Spiderman M2: Far From Home. Spiderman S3. Spiderman M1: Homecoming. Spiderman S2. Spiderman S1. Amazing Spider-Man 1. Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Now we need sandman and hydroman to be the main villain in a Spiderman movie

1:35 well he IS vengeance. He IS the Knight. He IS Batman.

The amazing Spider-Man 3 James Cameron 90s Spider-Man movie Spectacular spiderman season 3 and 4 Web of shadows sequel Also maybe Spider-Man 5 and 6

7:14 - 7:33 Omg, that would've been such a great casting choice!!

I think if they kept it to one villain at a time, Spider-Man 3 could’ve been a success. The movie ended with Harry becoming the second goblin, therefore he should’ve been the main villain. I appreciated what they did with changing him to a good guy at the end which was a good idea, but why was the sandman in the movie? The movie would’ve only worked with Harry and one of the other two villains.

I've been looking forward to this

He should have given up the Vulture idea and instead gone with the Lizard as the character was already set up. The beginning of Tombs arc could have been set up in the movie without needing for it to be cluttered.

Spider-man 3 is my favourite movie

Vulturess, Black Cat is using Vulture's Wings in Spider-Man 4.

Sam Rami wanted the "Vulturess".

63% fresh on RT is far from being “torn to shreds”,(TASM 2 has 52%) 2nd, a quality and success of a film is not defined by a two silly scenes. There was a lot that worked in Spider-Man 3, and its success came from two previous excellent films, and the fact it featured a conclusion to it with one of the most identified villains. Most importantly, the film managed to entertain which is more than I could say about the reboots.

I wish there was a Spider-Man 4

Bruce Cambell should be on every movie

"D List villains that never would have been used as the main antagonist in a Spider-Man movie, such as Mysterio" Yeeeaaahh. About that...

Honestly Spider-Man 3 biggest bads are green goblin , doc oct , and venom which is kinda funny considering that how the movie went

So much quality for a small channel you need more subs

I’ve heard the comment about Sam not liking Venom was incorrect. He liked the character but didn’t want him in the movie.

Batman Triumphant. Nuff said.

If they would made 4th part this spiderman would in MCU today.