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The GREAT From Russia With Love Debate! | With Calvin Dyson
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Күн бұрынWARNING: This extreme debate of two Bond fans, one who loves From Russia With Love and one who does not, is not for the faint of heart. If you have severe medical conditions, sensitivity to garrote watches, and get woozy at the sight exploding brief cases, then take caution when watching this video. No Bond fans were seriously hurt in the making of this debate....allegedly.
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@DrMattaconda 3 жыл бұрын
This is certainly not an original observation, but David talking about how Calvin tends to prefer the more bombastic 007 adventures got me thinking... it's kind of amazing how a film like From Russia With Love exists in the same series as You Only Live Twice or Moonraker. Bond really does have something for everyone in terms of taste. Gritty Cold War era spy stories or over the top comic book action somehow comfortably exists within the same canon and I think that's something I've always appreciated about this series.
@dougmcboat7276 2 жыл бұрын
The Bond series is by far the most adaptible in cinematic history I think. The character can be placed into any time period and it works because James Bond is almost an anachronistic character. At the end of the day, he's what makes a Bond movie work, not the situations or plots he's placed into, and it means that you can write Bond into anything from the most serious to the most ridiculous stories and it works, as long as you write the character properly It helps that his existence on the big screen predates practicaally every other currently running franshise. His anachronistic nature is heavily aided by the fact that he has existed for almost 6 decades. Being written for that long makes him timeless almost on its own since he has existed in so many time periods by default
@JarvNation 2 жыл бұрын
That is true but I think the comic book style movies in the 70s was a product of Roger Moore's persona of bond, plus the preferences of the fan base. As movies grew with better production and better effects, Albert Broccolo decided to have Bond follow that path. It was good for awhile but also far too cheesy too often. I am glad Daniel Craig and Barbara Broccoli brought it back to its roots.
@travlishallingquest5719 Жыл бұрын
How do you all think the 007 series should go forward in time, after the Craig era?
@nebularain3338 Жыл бұрын
@@JarvNation The problem with Craig's Bond is that too much of the gritty style is just po-faced and boring. Moore's Bond works because it contrasts to Connory's, and Dalton's contrasted to Moore, and so forth. You really need that Dark chocolate/Milk chocolate switch up every so often, becasue both would become tedious if it stayed that way forever. We've had 5 ultra serious Craig films, so it's time for a bit of cheese and fun now.
@bouya642 Жыл бұрын
@@nebularain3338 Tbh my favourite James Bond actors are Sean Connery and Roger Moore. I love all their James Bond films because they are so entertaining and fun to watch compared to Daniel Craig.
@AustinBeeman 3 жыл бұрын
20 years in the wine business here. If you drink red wine with fish the tannins will make the fish taste metallic. That’s why you don’t do it.
@KnightOwl1881 Жыл бұрын
I had always wondered about the connection with the USSR. I’d put it down to white wines being hard to get behind the curtain so people got used to the metallic notes being brought out in fish
@AustinBeeman Жыл бұрын
@@KnightOwl1881 In the Fleming novel, it was meant to show that Grant was a vulgar barbarian pretending to be a British gentleman.
@GrosvnerMcaffrey 11 ай бұрын
@AustinBeeman I bet he likes his eggs over easy and not scrambled what a monster
@amafirenze-vi1uh 5 ай бұрын
@@AustinBeemanI've just read the novel and there's no reference about fish and red wine
@mikeydflyingtoaster 3 ай бұрын
I'm not sure if I should be proud about this, but even as a pretty young boy, I knew that red wine with fish stood out to me as odd. When I was vindicated in the following scene, I felt very sophisticated
@DomArcher007 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, this is what is great about Bond movies. They all touch on different genres and different paces. Just like in this case that From Russia With Love is a very different movie than The Spy Who Loved Me, yet both are excellent movies! It's just about taste in movies I'd say.
@AustinBeeman 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t think Tatiana was choosing who to shoot. I interpreted that as her trying to line up a difficult shot that she was not trained to take. And didn’t want to hit James Bond
@vanessaward7687 2 жыл бұрын
This is also how I read that scene
@TequilaToothpick 2 жыл бұрын
The way she waves that gun around she must have been trying to decide who to shoot.
@Romans8-9 Жыл бұрын
@@TequilaToothpick I agree with you but it was a stupid attempt at creating tension when there was really no doubt who she was going to shoot because seconds earlier she had just prevented Kleb from killing Bond and so we are then supposed to believe she is considering shooting Bond?!
@joeziadan Жыл бұрын
Same. Plus why would she shoot Bond if she just prevented Klebb from shooting him.
@erikdolnack2737 3 жыл бұрын
I'm going to root for David in this debate, as Russia is easily one of the best Bond movies, in my opinion. It is an underrated masterpiece. Russia has the best villains of any Bond movie: Rosa Klebb, Red Grant, even this Blofeld is the best presentation of him. Daniela Bianchi is one of the prettiest Bond girls, and Pedro Armendáriz is the best Bond sidekick. The score is awesome, the gypsy fight is awesome, Connery is at his peak here. David is spot-on in stating that Russia has a certain classiness to it! It is the classiest, most tasteful of all Bond movies for me, it is almost elegant.Terence Young is a sort of wanna-be Hitchock, but that's why I love Terence Young. I see that as a feature, not a bug, that Young mimics Hitchcock so much. I wish Terence Young would have directed You Only Live Twice and OHMSS as well.
@keithwysocki9003 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Morzeny!
@captainbrodude8251 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree, Peter Hunt is perfect for OHMSS
@ricardocantoral7672 3 жыл бұрын
@@captainbrodude8251 Same here. Peter Hunt did a great job and it is a damn shame that OHMSS was his only directing credit in the franchise.
@captainbrodude8251 3 жыл бұрын
@@ricardocantoral7672 he should have and wanted to do Diamonds are Forever
@varanid9 3 жыл бұрын
I just wish to hell Connery had starred in OHMSS; that would have made it the best Bond ever! DAMN, did he pick a bad friggin' time to walk!
@notstirred1417 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you gentlemen. I was trying to explain to my wife why I spend so much of my time watching you two. It's because your company is excellent. Thanks again.
@spyboy1964 3 жыл бұрын
Albert Broccoli said in an interview in the early sixties that he wanted the bond series to be a cross between North by Northwest and The Guns of Navarone. If you look carefully at what was produced, they accomplished their mission. So the imitation of Hitchcock in FRWL is purely intentional.
@regularsizedrudy5340 3 жыл бұрын
These debates between you two guys fucking rule. Love em
@xAlexHDx1 3 жыл бұрын
From Russia with Love is one of the greats in my eyes, on my first watch of it I thought it was good but upon rewatches it's now one of my favourites.
@MetalJesus157 2 жыл бұрын
This was the movie that sold me on James Bond. I was intrigued by Doctor No, but this movie got me hooked on the series.
@rolotomassi7602 3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe this film is being debated by Calvin (this is after Thunderball as well!) and is in my top 3 Bonds. What next, Casino Royale? When he said he would rather watch The Man with the Golden Gun I suddenly understood, he's gone mad during lockdown.
@siamesevodka 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t know… he’s always utterly hated Thunderball. On the other hand I am surprised that he’s debating FRWL because I always got the feeling that he just didn’t connect with it, and not actually disliked the film per se.
@PungiFungi 3 жыл бұрын
At least TMWTGG featured Christopher Lee and Britt Ekland and is funny and engaging compared to the bone dull FRWL.
@Ramulken 3 жыл бұрын
I always had a thought that the many endings feeling is due to SPECTRE having to scramble to save themselves. Up until the train fight- everything had been going their way and then once things go wrong, they start to panic and throw everything at bond.
@spyboy1964 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you on that point. After Kronsteen's death the others in the organization are trying to salvage what's left of the operation, in order to avoid the same fate.
@Ramulken 3 жыл бұрын
@@spyboy1964 I agree- they use hitchcockian suspense really well up to that point as we are in the know and bond is not. Once Bond is aware of their plans then he is able to turn the tables and become the superhero audiences adore. I would like to quote from the lame and fascinatingly awful James Bond Jr theme song- “ no one can stop him- but SCUM always tries...” we know that bond will eventually succeed and the fun at the end comes from watching bond bat away Spectres attempts to kill him- From Russia with Love is three quarters suspense and one quarter action with a twist of Klebb.
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
@@spyboy1964 I always forget Morzeny is on the boats attacking Bond. He was so confident, right up to killing Kronsteen. But then it seems like even he is scared by Blofeld into clearing up the mess. I get the impression Morzeny is quite high up in SPECTRE (he presumably could have killed Rosa Klebb), and so for him to go out into the field to kill Bond shows desperation.
@spyboy1964 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidjames579 Exactly. Blofeld's underlings know that anyone of them is expendable if the operation goes south. And nobody wants to be on the receiving end of that boot. P.S. - notice how Blofeld's treatment of his subordinates is very much like Darth Vader's in The Empire Strikes Back. The Bond series influence permeates all genres.
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
@@spyboy1964 I think Blofeld does what Napoleon did, although with a deadly angle: keep changing his favorite so they all fight to get that position.
@pavlovajack3561 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe Calvin hasn't seen the full film. I mean, once you see and hear Connery order green figs on the hotel phone, I think the debate is over.
@bobbycalifornia7077 3 жыл бұрын
Haha I love/hate that. He’s going to do all that action on that light ass breakfast! 😂
@spyboy1964 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobbycalifornia7077 - He's trying to stay fit in this movie. Not get fat like he eventually did in Diamonds are Forever
@DafyddBrooks 3 жыл бұрын
haha
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
@@spyboy1964 He's going to destroy all Free Radicals.
@spyboy1964 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidjames579 - yes and give up the white bread
@Edward-dd9tf Жыл бұрын
Hitchcock would have made FRWL a "Hitchcock" film instead of a Bond picture. It would have looked a lot like To Catch a Thief and been more whimsical than Young's movie.
@billkoenig1552 3 жыл бұрын
I first saw From Russia With Love as part of a double feature with Dr. No, circa 1971. There are bits that are "old-fashioned" (the montage of the map as the train travels throughout Europe, accompanied by John Barry's score). But it remains my favorite of the series.
@adamloake 3 жыл бұрын
I think the fact that Fleming was still alive for the filming of the first three films and how Thunderball started out as a screen play has such a big impact on these early films
@Professor_Fate 3 жыл бұрын
A small touch that Robert Shaw added to the character of Grant is that we always see him putting on and taking off a black glove before and after a murder. As though Grant were fastidious about killing.
@lloydkline1518 2 жыл бұрын
❤ the pre 🎬 movie scene spector agent grant killing faked James bond (.Sean Connery )
@raminagrobis6112 2 жыл бұрын
I'd add: as a kind of psychopathic ritual....
@jamiekmett8847 3 жыл бұрын
Robert Shaw looks like David's dad!
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
He looks like Daniel Craig (or vice versa). Robert Shaw that is.
@garrick3727 3 жыл бұрын
David always makes me think of Kevin Costner.
@jadedemotions9891 2 жыл бұрын
@@garrick3727 Kevin Costner with the voice of Adam West
@Elementa2006 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, since From Russia With Love is my favorite Bond film, I'm with David on this debate.
@lc12591 3 жыл бұрын
Golden Gun over From Russia?!???!!.....Cmon Calvin. Wow......
@randomhuman97 3 жыл бұрын
At the time I saw golden gun, I found it to be wonderful. 4 years back, I didn't Russia with love as much . Upon re watching both, only I felt very few scenes like the dancers changing room fight etc are good in man with the Golden gun. FRWL really rose above my rankings
@leslauner5062 3 жыл бұрын
Golden Gun can be debated as having a better villain. Christopher Lee is amazing.
@ricardocantoral7672 3 жыл бұрын
@@leslauner5062 Unfortunately, that villain had one too many scenes in which he appeared to be shockingly dumb. Scaramanga's scheme was to make a quick buck using solar power but he didn't even possess a rudimentary understanding of the technology he had. Bond was the one who ended up lecturing him in the intricacies of converting the sun's rays into energy. When the villain knows less about his own enterprise than the hero, you rob the film of all tension.
@leslauner5062 3 жыл бұрын
@@ricardocantoral7672 That's a pretty good point, but Scaramanga had style, menace and great theatricality when he killed, or practiced killing to keep his skills up. He always presented a genuine threat.
@ricardocantoral7672 3 жыл бұрын
@@leslauner5062 Lee was superb as Scaramanga. Ultimately, he was not helped by the weak script. I am curious about Tom Mankiewicz's first draft which heavily focused on the rivalry between Bond and Scaramanga.
@walkabou5 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't watched this yet but From Russis With Love is my favourite Bond movie. Works as spy film. Has Connery at his best, Daniela Bianchi is gorgeous, Robert Shaw is awesome as Grant. Great plot, great Istanbul locations. For me, it's never been bettered.
@davidb-h6709 8 ай бұрын
I just found your channel this week. Fantastic stuff. James Bond is one of the rare pieces of cinema that can unite several generations, where fanbases can debate without toxicity, and walk away as friends. I'm 28 and grew up in the Brosnan era. My grandfather uses to always tell me Connery was the best Bond. Now as I have grown older, I have to agree with him.
@jhking8542 3 жыл бұрын
Great conversation! Three additional points on David's side: -The introduction of Blofeld is so chilling, what a fantastic impact it has on the viewer to conceal his face. -Kerim Bey has simply the best character of all the Bond allies, so much so that you can see future movies try to replicate the same dynamic to varying degrees of success. 'I've had a particularly fascinating life..' -The first use of the song '7' - Incredible.
@nineleafclover 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding Kerim Bey, I always got the feeling that Sallah in Raiders of the Lost Ark was at least partially inspired by him.
@spaceodds1985 3 жыл бұрын
IMO FRWL is The best Connery Bond film, and one of the best films of the series (it is in my top five favourite films of the series) Connery has never been better as Bond than in this film, it has the best henchman of the series (Red Grant) And It has the best fight scene of the series (Grant and Bond’s fight) The film also IMO balances plot and character with action brilliantly, and in turn the pacing brilliantly chugs along on a perfect speed. Connery is great in the role, Pedro Armendariz as Kerim Bay is the best ally of the series to date, the set pieces are small scaled and suspenseful, also Barry’s score is fantastic. Yes, Hitchcock’s influence is all over this film, but so are many other films (Repulsion is a direct descendant of Psycho, but the film became its own animal and IMO it was a far superior film to Psycho)
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
Michael G Wilson said in recent times "We always aim for From Russia With Love, and end up with Moonraker". Which is funny considering Moonraker is one of Calvin's favourites.
@ricardocantoral7672 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidjames579 Is it Moonraker ? I thought he always said Thunderball.
@shamrockballs1066 3 жыл бұрын
Re: Repulsion - Said nobody ever
@billkoenig1552 3 жыл бұрын
Last comment from me: In the gypsy camp sequence, Terence Young is doubling Pedro Armandariz in the long shots. Earlier, it's Terence Young's hands who are holding the photo of Tatiana in the office sequence.
@rettization 3 жыл бұрын
Calvin, thank you for mentioning Desmond Llewelyn's hands! They're so huge!
@leslauner5062 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, Calvin...but that helicopter scene in "Tomorrow Never Dies" is absolutely impossible. You cannot tilt a helicopter forward like that and have it slowly hover and inch forward. It cannot be done. When a helicopter pitches forward like that...it shoots forward very quickly.
@nectarinedreams7208 2 жыл бұрын
Almost like it's a movie or something
@lasnico_7 3 жыл бұрын
Red Grant is an even more interesting caracter when you've read the book. There is at least one whole chapter only about his biography if I recall that well.
@tremelo8508 3 жыл бұрын
From the book, I get the impression that Grant is basically Bond without Bond's vices.
@neiljones1938 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a remake of this one. They should just film the book and make it an 18 certificate.
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
Given David's comment about loving seeing Bond have a Lifestyle Moment on screen where 007 kicks back, he must love the Deleted Scene from Licence To Kill of James hanging out in his hotel room, shirt undone, drinking, and checking his gun. It's so Bond, it's a pity it wasn't left in.
@Dohsoda 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite James Bond film. I didn't come to this realization until I watched the series in order for the first time and begin to rank them.
@eabcool 3 жыл бұрын
David brings up the Hitchcock elements, but those come from the book. other than the helicopter. I never really thought Tanya was going to shoot Bond at the end
@alexlamas6324 3 жыл бұрын
I love Calvin's KZfaq channel. I think he's an excellent presenter with great talent and a wonderful style, he is endlessly entertaining at what he does and quite an affable chap. However... His taste in Bond films is entirely questionable. There is no universe where From Russia with Love is not better than The Man with the Golden Gun. That is just not a reality in any world imaginable.
@randomhuman97 3 жыл бұрын
It's not about better. It's about enjoyment . Which movie would you pick when you're stressed? I wouldn't watch FRWL. . . Rather watch DAD even though it's no way as good as FRWL
@alexlamas6324 3 жыл бұрын
@@randomhuman97 Well since FRWL is my 2nd favorite Bond film after Casino I have to say From Russia. Not only is one of the best directed, best acted, best edited and best written Bond films worthy of any classic film list, it's a highly suspenseful, classic spy Cold War thriller that grabs me from beginning to end, plus Istanbul is one of the best characters in the film. Watching DAD would only stress me out more knowing how clumsy and poor the 2nd half of that film is.
@brycewilson5886 3 жыл бұрын
I must live in Calvin's world as well because I'd watch Golden Gun above FRWL, LOL
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
Everybody's taste is questionable. That's why we have debates.
@rviles2323 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a reality for me. The man with the golden gun had a better plot in my opinion, it was more entertaining, and it reached me more. From Russia with love failed to match those three departments for me. Another thing also is that Connery’s performances didn’t impact me the way Moore’s performances did.
@nslayton5 3 жыл бұрын
I maintain that a good dramedy about Terence Young training Connery in culture for Dr No and FRWL would be a delight.
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
Kingsman was partially inspired by this, with Colin Firth's character acting as a Professor Higgins to Taron Egerton's Eliza Doolittle. Funnily enough, Firth and also Daniel Craig were actually considered to play Higgins in a as yet un-filmed remake of My Fair Lady.
@TheFlickLabpodcast 3 жыл бұрын
Tatiana's 'coming around' moment for me was the moment when Klebb said 'you will be shot!' if you don't follow these orders. Doesn't really encourage to return to mother Russia, especially if you have a handsome British agent to help you defect. I also never saw her confused about who she's going to shoot by the end. She was simply looking for the right aim during a chaotic moment and providing excitement over 'will she accidentally shoot Bond instead'. Besides, moments earlier she already helped Bond by pushing Klebb away from the door. And her finishing thoughts are 'what a horrible woman'. Tanya being unhappy on the train - this I've simply seen as her dislike of Nash or there being a 3rd party interrupting their romantic train trip. After all, she was so much in love that tea with Bond was more important to her than even Kerim's health (- 'theres been a terrible accident!! -no tea?') ;) Then again, perhaps she felt uncomfortable as she knew it's probably something that Smersh (Spectre) did and it would make a mess of their relationship. I fully agree that Tanya's falling for Bond moment could've been made more clear, but I've been of the view that perhaps she really DID fall in love as soon as she got the intel and the photograph! Mad as it may be. Thanks for the thought-provoking discussion. -Karri
@marcioginsberg 2 жыл бұрын
Necros (The Living Daylights) is clearly inspired on RED GRANT (From Russia With Love)
@bondjamesbondsandiego0075 3 жыл бұрын
Calvin is crazy! From Russia with love is one of the best Bond movies ever!
@spyboy1964 3 жыл бұрын
It seems that Calvin prefers the sillier bond movies over the more serious ones
@rmartins1984 3 жыл бұрын
@@spyboy1964 I know that personal taste factors in but I just don't understand how people could rank Octopussy or A View to a Kill higher.
@spyboy1964 3 жыл бұрын
@@rmartins1984 I totally agree with you, but to each his own. Calvin just seems to love camp
@jokkemursula8731 3 жыл бұрын
@@rmartins1984 I honestly would rank Octopussy above From Russia with Love. That's simply because - while FRWL may objectively be a better film - Octopussy is a more enjoyable experience for me.
@rmartins1984 3 жыл бұрын
@@jokkemursula8731 That's fair. I think there is a difference between 'best' and 'favourite' films. The benefit of having a 25 film series is that there is a lot of variety.
@stevemac631 3 жыл бұрын
Both Sean Connery and Terence Young regarded FRWL as the best Bond film. They were not wrong.
@finslaw 11 ай бұрын
Gee I would have thought they would place OHMSS.
@Zeppelin180 3 жыл бұрын
I think the line cut out at the end is “what a performance”. Repeating what Grant has said earlier (also cut out).
@pavlovajack3561 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Calvin review the Hitchcock film Marnie. Connery had the Bond allure in that.
@markward4867 Жыл бұрын
And Woman Of Straw.
@jacobkilby 3 жыл бұрын
I think FRWL is definitely top 10 material, what lets it down is the pacing of the film, you could definitely lose some of the action and the plot would still be pretty similar
@ricardocantoral7672 3 жыл бұрын
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the pacing. This film is only slow if you watch a good deal of contemporary, main stream, action cinema that has a cut every two seconds.
@Slider6294 3 жыл бұрын
@@ricardocantoral7672 That's my thought too. There is recency bias with every ridiculous stupid Hollywood action film being nonstop action. No time left to breathe, to develop characters, build tension, you know, the things good cinema SHOULD do. I'd go so far as to say there's a generational gap now on people who appreciate such things because of the evolution of modern action films.
@seanwalsh72 3 жыл бұрын
This From Russia With Love discussion was a lot of fun guys. I enjoyed listening to the different perspectives each of you brought the debate. I personally love FRWL, probably my second favorite film in the series and David pretty much went through all of the reasons why I love it so.
@rkb4571 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree that this film emphasises lifestyle moments, which is in keeping with it being very close to the book. For this reason, I really like the use of the Bond theme when he is in the hotel - as David says, these moments are part of that lifestyle side of things so prominent in the books, and so when we see him loosening his tie, ringing up and asking for figs for his breakfast, pouring himself a martini while checking the room for bugs, the theme is appropriate because *that’s what* a spy does on an ordinary day in the field.
@DafyddBrooks 3 жыл бұрын
Sean Connery and Terrance Young are who brought the REAL phenomenon behind all 007 movies :) I just wish Young made Goldfinger aswell!!
@petermccormick5932 3 жыл бұрын
It's so interesting that Calvin said he watched this film last, and that might have factored into his enjoyment. I am the exact same way! It was the last Bond film I initially got to, and it has consistently been one that I haven't connected with (and almost never revisit).
@AlmightyBruce 3 жыл бұрын
The train scene is FANTASTIC!!!
@adityasanthanam1945 3 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with David. From Russia With Love is my favourite Bond film, and I thought it was universally loved by Bond fans. It is classy, Connery at his best, it has some of the best supporting characters, and great fight scenes. It is special and genuinely serious. Even though I love the fun Bond films and Roger Moore, this is my favourite film.
@oldschoolcool76 3 жыл бұрын
On the train - still one of the most realistic and believable movie fight scenes i have ever watched. It just feels so full-on intense, unchoreographed and messy, just like a real fight in that enclosed space would be.
@sammerrell3802 2 жыл бұрын
John Barry mentioned that he originally used the main Bond theme as a general introduction to the character in any scenario. It was only from Goldfinger on that he began using it for action sequences. It's perhaps due to us being used to this association with action from all the later films that we find it so jarring here? I think it wouldn't have bothered audiences at the time with no frame of reference on it. As an aside, I actually find it more jarring how underused it is in the Craig era. It just feels like such an elephant in the room that they don't use it when it's blatantly called for. Like so many things from this era, it feels like the filmmakers are almost ashamed of Bond film heritage.
@gethinjenkins-jones8666 3 жыл бұрын
Knowing how strict SMERSH are..surely Tatiana is facing an execution when she goes back to Russia as she was responsible for the loss of the lector in the first place.
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
I guess she got a new life in the UK. Although not permanently with James. Maybe she's on his At Home List along with Sylvia Trench?
@rattusrattus761 3 жыл бұрын
She did just accomplish a significant service for the British government. She would have certainly been granted safety. Especially since she effectively defected anyway.
@gethinjenkins-jones8666 3 жыл бұрын
@@rattusrattus761 Interesting point, though I think SMERSH would be onto her just the same, and if we're going with the lore of the novels, they wont fail, as it says that they never fail
@rattusrattus761 3 жыл бұрын
@@gethinjenkins-jones8666 The thing is, SMERSH wasn't created by the books. It was a real organisation in the USSR set up by Lavrentiy Beria, so whether or not they fail isn't necessarily for the books to decide. Aside from that, in the books and film they ultimately did fail. The idea that they never fail is probably more a matter of reputation.
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
@@rattusrattus761 Yeah, and I think James and by extension M would ensure she was looked after.
@MorganOwen8958 3 жыл бұрын
This Bond film probably has the best ensemble of villains in the entire series. Rosa Klebb is a great main villain. Red Grant is probably the best villain henchman ever. Kronsteen is a great side villain. And Blofeld is Blofeld.
@leedaero 3 жыл бұрын
I watched this film as a 10 year old at the cinema. It knocked me off my feet. Watching the early Bond films as they came out gives one a different perspective. Over time the later films just turn Bond into cartoonish Superman.
@MichaelBakerFilmmaking 3 жыл бұрын
I do agree with Calvin on this one, this definitely isn’t towards the top of my ranking of the Bond films. I think Alfred Hitchcock was considered for directing this film. Obviously he didn’t in the end. I’ve seen a fair few Alfred Hitchcock films and maybe I’d have preferred it if he had directed it. I do like the villains in this film a lot and I do think Kronsteen is underrated but sometimes I enjoy the scenes with the villains more than the scenes with Bond which doesn’t seem right. However I do like Sean Connery’s acting here a lot and it’s probably better than his acting in Dr No. Of Course the train scenes are brilliant. I also like the helicopter scene, boat chase and the ending with Klebb but the ending as a whole has never felt smoothly done.
@brendanhaley3668 3 жыл бұрын
I love Cold War and book Bond. Craig's Casino Royale Bond is so close to being Connery's Dr No Bond. It could almost be Craig's Bond's second mission. Cold War stories were great, part of my childhood through so much medoa of the 70s and 80s. I loved this topic, thanks guys!
@robertharvey2604 3 жыл бұрын
I really love From Russia. It's my second favorite Bond film. It's a great spy thriller. It has the best ensemble cast. Red Grant is my favorite henchman. He's coldly brilliant. He and Connery are a joy to watch. It's probably Connery's best performance as Bond. In an attempt to be objective, I will say that I'm not a big fan of the PTS. The "Bond is dead...oh, wait he isn't" is a gimmick that wasn't necessary. Also, the helicopter and boat scenes seem tacked in to add more action. Otherwise I think everything is great. The fight scene is still one of the best. Great video!
@randomhuman97 3 жыл бұрын
For its defence, the pre title would've shocked the audience back when only 2 007 movies are out.
@Superior_Productions 3 жыл бұрын
Easily my favorite Bond film, I'm totally with David on this
@justice4all72 3 жыл бұрын
Depending on my mood will dictate how much or how little I'll enjoy watching this one. Sometimes the pacing is just too slow. Tatiana is my all time favorite Bond girl, she is absolutely beautiful. Love these debates keep them coming!!
@alexdas2000 3 жыл бұрын
I feel the subtle moment we see Tania falls for Bond is when he shows her the dress on the train
@connorfreeman1990 2 жыл бұрын
If you two had a podcast, I'd subscribe in a second
@marklechman2225 3 жыл бұрын
Two of my favorite BondTubers together, excellent!
@kevinobrien9626 3 жыл бұрын
"Any of the opposition around ...?" He looks down his nose as he says it ... the thinly-veiled contempt ... rubbing it in Bond's face.
@andreb.thomas5926 Жыл бұрын
My favorite Bond movie...period. Chao. Retired Vietnam era veteran, ex Detroiter, expatriate currently living in Colombia.
@harryherman5371 3 жыл бұрын
Great discussion lads, always like to see you on my notifications. Especially after a long day.
@SamnissArandeen 9 ай бұрын
I'm in the David corner on this one! It was watching From Russia With Love that kicked me from casual fan to Bond diehard as a boy.
@FilmNav 3 жыл бұрын
Any self respecting Bond fan would have FRWL is their top 5 films. Sorry Calvin, but you are losing credibility as a Bond connoisseur with this strange opinion. ;) David Z you have gone up a few more notches. I didn't realise you were such a fan of the Connery movies and the Fleming books.
@ausmurray9437 3 жыл бұрын
From Russia With Love is one of the finest films in the series. Surprised this film would even need to be debated, same with Thunderball and The Living Daylights. All three are amongst my top five.
@chrispopsjunior8978 2 жыл бұрын
My favourite of the Connery James Bond fliks, shame, understandably though it is coz they did the same with Dr No, that Broccoli and Saltzman introduced Spectre into the plot, which was one of Fleming's best...still they also introduced the 007 theme, one of Barry's finest and most exciting pieces of music
@denniscummings7658 Жыл бұрын
Here is what was edited out in the boat scene at the very end. A bit earlier Grant is taunting Bond with the roll of film taken earlier in the suite with Bond and Tatiana. He tells Bond just before the attache explodes "What a performance". At the films finale Bond is examining the film while in the boat with Tatiana telling her "He was right u know..What a performance". This is exactly what was edited out.
@wjkesq9918 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding the boat scene, at least the makers looked at a map as you can take a boat from Trieste across the Gulf of Trieste to Venice. That said, every time the Orient Express has been routed through Trieste it also has stopped in Venice. So, why not just stay on the train???
@spyboy1964 3 жыл бұрын
FRWL is very faithful to Fleming's novel. Most of the best bond films are close to the original source material to various degrees. The films that Calvin seems to mostly like aren't. Moonraker is a good example. Moonraker is not like anything that Fleming wrote. It's much more Austin Powers than Ian Fleming. It seems that he prefers the ridiculous over the cool.
@samuelstephens6163 3 жыл бұрын
Calvin's on to something. From Russia is the only Bond film that for me seems to have an on/off switch. Sometimes I watch it and marvel how quite bad some of it is. Other times I watch it and it's a tightly wound watch and superb. I don't think the Hitchcock comparison deters me in either mood though, he's a good director to imitate.
@hvitekristesdod 3 жыл бұрын
Calvin, I just realized I like Quantum of Solace more than Goldfinger... but it’s okay, we can both still live happy and fulfilling lives despite our handicaps
@gocanuckurself1 3 жыл бұрын
That thumbnail though 😂
@juliebaldwin2735 3 жыл бұрын
I think Tatiana's 'I love you I love you I love you' is largely borne out of fear - she's young, naive and in a really dangerous situation, and she doesn't know she can trust this clearly very strong, intimidating guy. I think it's self-preservation at that point, she's almost desperately acting out the role she believes she's supposed to act (that she's in love with him), in the hope of 'bonding' (hehe) herself to him so he won't hurt her. The 'true' love comes later in the film, after she realises the deception practised on her by Klebb, Grant etc. and she's overwhelmed by the incredible adventure she's just had with this really good looking guy ;-)
@heatherjoyce3878 3 жыл бұрын
I also agree with this. She is scared and feels like this is the moment it could all come crashing down for her! I also agree that moment when she kills Klebb to stay with Bond is her actually coming over to him.
@saunders9047 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love watching you two discussing these films, intelligent, knowledgeable and respectful of each others opinions, exactly how Bond movies should be debated. I've even learnt from this to maybe love FRWL slightly less, though my only real issue with this film would be that the helicopter/boat scenes feel out of place as they look unmistakably Scottish. Keep up the great work!
@raminagrobis6112 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. When they board on that boat, with Connery donning the captain's cap, one has the crystal-clear impression they're going for a ride on the Loch Ness, not at all on the Adriatic!
@ALIEN-DUDE 3 жыл бұрын
I love how the bond experience always finds an excuse to flex the james bond props he has in his possession.
@paulpatterson3514 3 жыл бұрын
Top 5 Bond film for me. A proper espionage, spy thriller. I think the only times I've ever disagreed with Calvin is on FRWL and TB. Both have pacing issues but both in my Top 10. FRWL 3rd and TB 8th if you were wondering . .
@holtiehero599 Жыл бұрын
I don’t understand how you can’t like from Russia with love it’s just an iconic cold war spy thriller it’s what James Bond is all about
@ricardocantoral7672 3 жыл бұрын
From Russia With Love is the best Bond film for a simple reason, it actual places Bond in state of powerlessness throughout most of the picture. He was a a pawn in a grand scale conspiracy who was merely lucky to survive his ordeal. True, he had his moments where he was a super hero but little of his actions had an impact for his cause until the end of the film. His victory actually felt satisfying unlike most the series which had him winning at every turn. The Ipcress File would as accomplish as much two years later and in a far superior fashion.
@the11fan33 3 жыл бұрын
FRWL is easily top ten, it’s not my favorite Connery bond (Thunderball) ! But I will say I’d rather watch FRWL over a majority of bond movies. It’s a great true spy movie, and I love it for that, polar opposite of TSWLM but both are amazing!
@tripi7906 2 жыл бұрын
Same here
@seanwarren5613 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful discussion Gentlemen. For me, I'm firmly in the LOVE camp but completely understand and appreciate CD's points. Best, TRK.
@nikolaiquack8548 3 жыл бұрын
I think the moment where Tanya slowly begins to turn is the scene with the dress on the train. That's when she realizes that she's got a better shot at a free, good life if she goes with Bond.
@Tony-Down-Under 3 жыл бұрын
My first Bond films were the classics. Dr No - VHS From Russia With Love - DVD Goldfinger - DVD Thunderball - DVD You Only Live Twice - VHS On Her Majesty's Secret Service - DVD Spy Who Loved me - DVD For Your Eyes Only - DVD Octopussy - DVD Living Daylights - DVD Goldeneye - DVD Those were my childhood Bond films growing up. I did lean more towards Goldfinger, YOLT, Spy Who Loved me and Goldeneye as a kid.
@davidmccallum3879 3 жыл бұрын
You guys are great! Just a couple of notes. I thought there was a little bit of humour in Dr No, not as serious as mentioned here. Hitchcock influence in FRWL a good or bad thing is clear for all to see. The train sequence with Bond and Grant is easily one of if not the best scene in any Bond movie.
@aitornavarro6597 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite Bond films "Casino Royale and "From Russia With Love"
@unityoc 3 жыл бұрын
From Russia with Love is the anti-Bond Bond - even more so than the Daniel Craigs and Timothy Daltons. It's not bad, but it's so unrecognisable as a Bond that I'd rather watch something else in that genre. The Hitchcock comparison is apt.
@motorhead69ification Жыл бұрын
One of the best Bond films, in my top five.
@DeltaStar777 2 жыл бұрын
Love your joint videos, such great chemistry, keep up the great work guys!!
@Matt.Pattinson 3 жыл бұрын
One of my favourites for sure. So many elements for me. Connery is probably my favourite Bond. I like the mission, the train scenes, Kerim Bay is a great ally, the villains are great (provably my favourite Blofeld) I love the attache case and the Hitchcockian style really appeals to me. I am not particularly sold on Romanova though and I do think it drags a bit during the gypsy scenes. And who knew examing your hotel room could be so thrilling?
@johnhansen1501 3 жыл бұрын
It seems so weird to set this story in a friendly country. Surely such a simple story - go in, make contact, get out - should be set in a hostile or at least unfriendly country, where Bond had to avoid being caught, so we could have a little danger instead of folklore. When does Bond make a decision or a discovery that has real importance for the mission. But it looks good and great style moments!
@machtrebel 3 жыл бұрын
“Dreadful? Kronsteen was not interested in human beings - not even in his own children. Nor did the categories of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ have a place in his vocabulary. To him all people were chess pieces. He was only interested in their reactions to the movements of other pieces. To foretell their reactions, which was the greater part of his job, one had to understand their individual characteristics. Their basic instincts were immutable. Self-preservation, sex and the instinct of the herd - in that order. ” Excerpt From: Ian Fleming. “From Russia With Love”. Apple Books.
@johnmoore2910 3 жыл бұрын
The tomorrow never dies helicopter same was actually quite awful. That’s not how helicopters move
@TheAdam159 3 жыл бұрын
Watching To Catch a Thief , and North by Northwest , i can definitely see Cary Grant as Bond
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
He was asked to do Dr No, but said he'd only do that and no sequels.
@andrewwebster2598 2 жыл бұрын
I love the shot, when Bond gets on the Orient Express just in time. Then you see Grant
@jonnybirchyboy1560 3 жыл бұрын
North by Northwest was almost like a trial run for the Bond series. It was so influential on every action movie that came after, until Die Hard reinvented the genre 30 years later.
@shamrockballs1066 3 жыл бұрын
I think you'll find that was Commando.
@jonnybirchyboy1560 3 жыл бұрын
@@shamrockballs1066 Nah, Commando was too similar to what came before, it is almost the same as Rambo first Blood Part II. Basically a spaghetti western/Sam Peckinpah style shoot em up involving waves of baddies being gunned down. But Die Hard was different, it had a more Hitchcockian approach with a vulnerable protagonist being trapped in a confined space with bad guys and having to use his environment (and guns) to outsmart them. It influenced just about every action movie that came after, from Speed to Airforce One. Raiders of the Lost Ark is another example of the evolution of the action genre, but it was still basically following the same Bond formula. Die Hard was the final form.
@shamrockballs1066 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonnybirchyboy1560 Absolute nonsense. Die Hard wasn't a 'final form' lol It was just an action movie in a building. First Blood was in 1980, Part 2 was 1985, but was more like a war movie. There were numerous action movies in the 80s, including war movies that were claustrophobic, tense and even Hitchcockian long before 1987. Die Hard just changed the setting from a jungle or street to a building. It wasn't really anything new. It was another in a long line of over the top action movies in the 1980s that initially jump started with Rambo and Commando, one man taking on an army of bad guys to survive and achieve an objective. Commando was just more tongue in cheek. But the bottom line is this narrative has been about for decades, whether it be a western, war movie, spy movie, cop movie or action hero. Its all the same formula, its just the setting and era that changes. I understand it may have set a 'trend' of movies that followed into the 90s because of Die Hards success, but in no way is this a 'final form'. Hollywood is the epitome of trends. Its whatever is popular at the time they will try and sell.
@jonnybirchyboy1560 3 жыл бұрын
@@shamrockballs1066 I think you have a poor interpretation of the lineage of action movies. Commando and Rambo are indeed “one man army” action movies, but they’re not too different from what came before. For one, the protagonists seem nigh-on invincible, and mow down waves of bad guys with ease. This is not at all dissimilar from spaghetti westerns, or even propaganda films from the 1940s (eg Sgt York). What makes Die Hard different is it took Hitchcock’s formula he created in North By Northwest and transplanted it into a high octane action thriller set in a confined space. Die Hard had the tension of our hero being an ordinary, mortal man trapped in a place with vicious and deadly enemies. It’s like Rambo or Commando but reversed. In addition, the Rambo movies and Commando feel like cheap B-flicks, entertaining, but they do not have the Hitchcockian or Bond-style suaveness and class that Die Hard has. Die Hard was far from “over the top” like the other films you mentioned - if anything it feels grounded and realistic, and shot like an epic, which differs highly from the pulpy drive-in quality of something like Commando. Die Hard combined its various cinematic influences into a melange of high octane action-thriller-suspense, together with high production values and a “serious” or realistic story. It was a grounded action film in the way most Schwarzenegger or Stallone vehicles weren’t. In this manner, Die Hard was an evolutionary culmination and perfection of the genre film. In fact, Stallone himself would end up trying to replicate Die Hard (far less successfully) a mere 5 years later with Cliffhanger.
@shamrockballs1066 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonnybirchyboy1560 I think you are over rating Die Hard. Have you even seen First Blood? That movie is more realistic and human than any action movie that followed, and as I said that was released in 1982 (I correct myself here as I originally said 1980). Please don't lump it in with the inferior and out right silly sequels. First Blood is a classic and by no means a b-movie. Commando was a tongue in cheek over the top action movie released in the same year as Rambo 2. Commando knew what it was doing and was very much self aware. Before that no one had really seen that kind of action movie or action hero. Action movies have taken different forms over the years, depending on the era and what the audience expects of the time - the Bond Franchise is a prime example of this! Look at the modern Bond movies, they are more in line with the Bourne movies than what you would think a bond movie is. Then there's Nolans Batman/Bruce Wayne which was in part like Bond with his gadgets and surrogate Q in Morgan freeman. The best Die Hard done was create a sub genre for a time in the 90s were hostages where taken aboard vehicles (Under Seige) , or trapped underground (Daylight) and the hero had to save them. But again, this was nothing new, have you seen the taken of pelham one two three? Die Hard just took the 80s action hero and put him in a hostage situation. It certainly wasn't the only action film or movie or director to be influenced by Hitchcock. Movies evolve decade to decade and trends arise where studios jump on to exploit. As for claustrophobic Hitchcockian direction, plenty of movies done it in the 1970s and 80s and we're action orientated. As for Die Hard being realistic, it's far from it lol
@SpydyrUnlimited 3 жыл бұрын
Ironic for this video to be released as I just purchased the survival rifle, all stars align!
@nslayton5 3 жыл бұрын
This discussion actually made me rewatch the film, with two friends who had never seen it or even a Connery Bond. They loved it! Even more so than Brosnan or Craig. I forgot just how smooth it worked. I remembered the post-Orient Express scenes being a bit slow but this flowed so well. The most Hitchcockian Bond and Connery was never better. I prefer spycraft Bond and this is better than Thunderball or Goldeneye by a mile.
@nickbode5211 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta say, I agree with Calvin on this one. I’ve always hated this film’s multiple different endings after the train climax with Grant, and I find the story a bit slow in the middle. Love these debates!
@Chopperwocky 3 жыл бұрын
The best Connery Bond film by far
@rocky-o 3 жыл бұрын
you guys have to do a casino royale debate soon.....
@henryhammond7393 3 жыл бұрын
I was of the Brosnan generation growing up with Bond movies. This was my first Connery film. You would expect that coming off the more cinematic larger than life action flicks of the 90s this one would have bored me but no, it pulled me in... probably thanks to ‘Dr. Evil’ being in it 😅
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