Stating the obvious truly is an art form

Don't criticise the pain glove if you've never tried it. It's very therapeutic.

​@@Stuffandstuff974 indeed! It always leads to a revelation!

Has anyone noticed how the sons of dorn are all David goggins?

@@jpfg2713 indeed fellow pain glove enjoyer

Amd in return, the Red Scorpions dont need to worry about the Raptors taking their glory from them.

Something tells me Red Scorpions ask Raptors to help track their kill counts

@@jedidroid2000 I'm now picturing the Raptors and Scorpions to have a Legolas/Gimli type relationship. "I won't have no beaky boy outscoring me!"

​​@@RJALEXANDER777a Raptor takes out a hive tyrant who's carrying around 20 other Tyranids on his back, the Red Scorpion goes "that still counts as one!"

@@RJALEXANDER777 basically, the war of baddab

Well, that's a trait they got from their parent Legion. The RG was always about being subtle, tactical and disrupting the enemy to such a degree that the Regulars could take the foe down with as little of a fight as possible. The Raptors just go about it a smidge different than their gene-sire.

"Move over dipshit mortals, it's Marine time!" got a genuine lol out of me 😂 great comment

Don't you mean on the other end of the knife😂

I just picture some alien the soul surivor of it's unit getting away from the Catchans only to run face first into a Raptor.

Oh, I love that! What good to humanity would a Marine be if he didn't care about the ones fighting right beside him?

tbh, I've hung around a lot of professional soldiers and a lot of the core traits I've seen in them really mirror the Raptors - pragmatism, not taking things personally while doing their job, a mission-focused respect for the chain of command as a concept (but not obsequiousnes if they think the higher-ups are full of shit), and a kind of fatalism that's really hard to explain to others who've never seen it.

​@@ProfDCoyThe fatalism is easy to explain. Soldiers know that ultimately, our job is to kill and die to protect our nation.

@@ProfDCoy Is it the only thing that matter is the mission kind of thinking? Like the character Hunk from resident evil

​@@dean_l33RIP legend

​@@dean_l33 It's kinda that, but it's also a kind of fatalism when it comes to who gets hit and who doesn't. Like, "anyone could bite the bullet at any time, yesterday it was you, tomorrow it might be me, so I just deal with what's in front of me today fully accepting this might be the day I die." I'm not even sure that's how these guys would express it themselves, but it's my attempt to do so.

Yea exactly I've been playing the rouge trader game and while the space wolf is a cool companion i think a salamander could've had more story potential

@@mementomori771 A son of Rus is the only fitting spess marine considering the main villain is Tzentch

@@mementomori771 I haven't played Rogue Trader pc game but I heard that the Space Wolf companion is a bit underwhelming, is that true?

@@dean_l33 Nope, more like shallow Mary Sues who are worse than Grey Knights and Ultramarines combined.

@@dinobro4273his pre made build is underwhelming but you can just respec his stats into what you like, and it’s more of a personal thing if you don’t like his character as how for me Ufar and Abelard are my traders best bro’s. Also Ulfars personal quest is genuinely one of the best in the game.

Pretty sure if they show up bobby g would make another book just so his son's would kill themselves from holy melee

The best part is that this is exactly what they originally were, but learned their harsh lesson and changed for the better. Every other Chapter we know of would have just doubled down.

Fun fact Spartans 3s aren’t weaker than Spartans 2 they actually stronger in augmentation plus its safer. Gama company had an augmentation that basically gives them extreme durability to a point that a spartan had a portion of her brain destroyed several plasma wounds which melted her skin and some bones and yet she still lived. Reminds me of a custodian I think Ra? Spartans 2s can shrug of plasma but the Spartans 3s gama well they’re a different level.

The raptors are one of the space marine chapters I like the most, others being ultramarines and salamanders mostly for valuing human life

​@@patrickiamonfire965 A nameless Custodian basically did that too. Kept fighting traitor Astartes while everyone else around him noted that he is doing so while missing part of his brain. He then shambled unsteadily onto the dropship, and presumably was put to rest afterwards once his body caught up with the fact that he's dead. Unfortunate that Spartan-IIIs had to have that additional "Bellisarian Furnace" augmentation to do that, because the added step needed regular maintenance with chemical shots or otherwise they would go psycho.

@@SeanCrosser so it was a nameless custodian. The augmentation was easily maintained as far I know. They had spills for that. Spartans 3s becoming psycho was a problem because they might rush towards the battle jeopardising the operation. Spartans 3s didn’t go awol.

​​@@patrickiamonfire965only gama company are stronger than s2 but they need Anti psycho medicine to make them effective or they will just become lesser version of the crazy Assassin temple To put in simple words, S2 can operate for months with no contact to the unsc but Gama company needs to keep Contact so they operate in effective way, making them worse the others s3 & s2

Soldiers aren't typically poets and artists. Maybe they should be, but they aren't typically anything other than "follow orders, shoot good, have no morels beyond the state's own."

Emperors Children are not perfect though. That’s the issue. Their “thing” is WANTING to be perfect.

As any Slanneshi worshiper will tell you, mo' drugs, mo' power, mo' b!tches!

​@@EmonWBKstudios Check out the Warrior poet society. They advocate for exactly what you're talking about. The idea that those of us who wish to stand and fight whether it be a soldier or a civilian who stands for what they believe in. Should also be educated. Should also partake in the arts and society

You have a wild definition of perfect

They are not actually practical. They are infact rather delusional (due to being what someone who didn't think things through properly thinks would be practical). They think wasting expensive ammo they can only carry a small amount of against low level threats is practical vs melee (no expensive bolt rounds wasted) or super lasguns (cheap solar rechargeable ammo). They think they are being stealthy,l in their colours, despite still painting massive white insignias, when colour doesn't really matter as even insignificant threats like traitor guardsmen have access to handheld auspecs which means raptors in line of sight still stick out like sparklers in a dark room.

@@matthiuskoenig3378 the thing is Phobos armor does have stealth properties to help ignore detection. You’d think Auspexes would be at the top of the list of things to counter.

I actually agree, hotshot lasguns are way better than bolters for practical space marines, same damage no ammo logistics.​@@matthiuskoenig3378

​@@matthiuskoenig3378 For that first point I feel like the pros outweigh the cons. Sure you might be wasting ammo, but you're keeping yourself out of harm's way for the most part and you can stay hidden better by picking off enemies from a distance than getting up in their face with a chainsword. For the second point, I'm Raptors would paint over or wear cloaks like the ones shown in the video to give them better camouflage, and their armor is sure to have some sort of way of avoiding auspex scans. The Raptors are a successor chapter of the Raven guard, Space Marines who are specialists in stealth.

@@LordKasadoad I'm fairly certain armor color doesn't matter at all in 40k when it comes to camo because most enemies are either not human (and therefore don't see things the way we do) or have access to much better detection tech. The tradeoff of camouflage is always that the risk of friendly fire goes up because you can't identify your own soldiers. So if visual camouflage is superfluous, it makes sense that they ditch it completely and use color to identify each other. In fact I'm sure it's exactly what we would do if we faced an enemy that saw in black and white or in IR for instance; we would make bright blue uniforms to see each other while remaining camouflaged for the enemy. We already use different vision channels to identify ourselves in asymmetric warfare today: us soldiers used IR strobes on their helmets so that thermal and night vision devices could identify them, be that drones or other soldiers. Of course, if the Taliban had had the same tech, that would be a bad idea. What all this means in the end is that Raptors are either stupid or primarily fight low tech human heretics, see it as you want to. Additionally, we're quickly learning that modern warfare is not about making super soldiers and big expensive tanks but about making inexpensive munitions that can dispatch the most expensive equipment your enemy can throw at you. Destroying a modern main battle tank with a Walmart wedding camera drone and an explosive, for example. Of course, that's an issue about sci-fi, we can't predict the future so we're bound to make huge mistakes. If you want to make the most rational SM chapter here's what you do: You decide what they're currently fighting in the moment you're depicting when you paint them and choose a scheme color appropriate to that. If they're fighting Tyrannids, think of some pattern that would supposedly make them harder to see for Tyrannids while making the soldier easily identifiable by other Raptors. If they're fighting humans or SMs then it's a different story, try to give them a pattern that goes along with the base and give every marine something that shows how they avoid high tech detection (a holographic cloak, a pattern on the armor that disrupts their signals.. you could paint them stealth grey like the F35 jet). Add signs or some device on top or behind their helmet that would help them identify each other through their sensors. Give them weapons that are specific for the job. The best way to go at this is Kill Team in my opinion. And try to minimize the armor they're using and make sure it goes according to the mission. More coverage but less resistance for frontline troops that will see explosions and shrapnel and less coverage but better armor for troops that will perform raiding and stealth missions and will likely not get hit by explosives.

What do you mean? It is about the Reasonable Marines

I guess they're connon now? I mean the Noise Marines started as a joke too so this tracks 👍

Imagine being a guardsman on a world somewhere and you get reinforced by the raptors, mentors and salamanders. *happy guardsman noises*

That's great to read and I wasn't aware of any of this. So cheers! Looking forward to see these guys take a step forward in the setting.

Yeah the fact that they have iconography on the main transfer sheets is just about the biggest endorsement they could get from James Workshop

I hope it won't be a disappointment.

Incroyable.

I hope they make them canonically consume crayons

Who are the slavers?

@@flavortown3781 Death Spectres

"Well I'm gonna die anyway, so what if I get my arms blown off?" *plasma pew pew intensifies*

I always imagined the Retributors as fighting similar to the Raptors but they're more urban and ship to ship based in their missions while the Raptors are more field and scout focused. Both spec-ops like but two different roles.

⁠@@mill2712not necessarily in the case of the Retributors. The series follows an Impulsor squad (beyond being a specialized kill team, it’s something the guy who made them gave em and there’s not much more to go off of). The Retributors are just grey Imperial Fists. Not specialized like the Raptors

And have that common american soldier names like: Andrew, Adam, Baker, Barnes, Bishop, Browns And weirdly also have those latin american names like: Rodriguez, Carlos, Diaz, Ramirez Its like those names are embeded in the US Military, especially in Holliwood

If you like the Raptors, check out Pete The Wargamer's playlist of his Raptors army!!!!

@@thedyingmeme6 I did, and its amazing. That made me go "i wanna"

The Retributors are more autonomous with their Incursor squads or whatever they were called: Essentially tactical marines that operate as self-contained units and venture out into the galaxy autonomously before returning to base after missions. They fight more as shock troopers than as spec ops however. Different enough I'd say.

Would love to see both these Chapters work together. The Raptors with their common sense reason in military tactics and their Spec Op style of warfare and the Mentors with their pursuit in perfecting a fusion of military science and art of war, making every Astartes an equivalent of a professors of military science and military history would be one hell of a deadly combo of Reasonable Marines.

It also kinda pointless considering the armor and weapons of space marines are about getting close and wrecking.

I mean, tanks can get a use out of camo nets as well

I took the color as more being to draw enemy fire towards the almost unstoppable walking tank and away from the more fragile forces.

That's a good take, I didn't think of that, thank you. @@thebandofbastards4934

That's the thing, most Space Marines work as knights, a custom made warrior representing a house, with all his proudness. The Raptors work as soldiers, they understood they are but a pebble in the works of war. Warriors can win battles, but soldiers win wars.

They also had some interesting rules (for one, they had Heavy 1 rending option with their bolters to represent marksmanship) and a fun toolkit character (capable of affecting reserves, creating Shrouded bubble and assassinating/ambushing something in the beginning of the game) in Badab war. Although I imagine the ambush rule was very frustrating to play against if your Raptor opponent rolls well. You could easily lose a lynchpin daemon or vehicle before the match even starts.

Check out Pete The Wargamer's Raptor Killteam!!!!

@@thedyingmeme6 been following his vids for a good while, love them!

Those words are not in the Codex Astartes

Honestly I'm a little surprised nobody's made a Red Shoulders-inspired chapter. An Astartes is basically already wearing a Scopedog. Hell, Red Shoulders even sounds like it COULD be a Marine chapter.

@@RedShocktrooperRSTMost of the VOTOMS fans are playing Heavy Gear Blitz instead of (or in addition to) 40K.

Most likely. And the Raptors like them because the Red Scorpians will run in and keep the enemy distracted while the Raptors pick off priority targets

What about the Carcharodons?

Pete the Wargamer has a pretty good kitbash series on them

Except for the mantis though... Poor guys wanted to lure the sharks into a skirmish fight Only for the sharks to B line into the manti's homeworld forcing the mantis into a drawn out fight and get butchered by shark marines

America invented a bolt gun type gun, it would launch a grenade that would explode inside the target. Of course, it was banned for being inhumane because of obvious reasons.