Honestly can't blame them with the shit the imperium does.

In necromunda the squats are in an on off relationship with imperials they are paid and praised for a while for leading expeditions to rebuild the hive or retrieve tech then a generation of humans passes and the new nobles hate them for being abhuman scum lmao.

Girlboss?

Perfect fan insert faction

Well no, but actually yes?

Also I hope they games workshop takes a little from warhammer fantasy with dwarf grudges and slayers

yeyeye but they also hunt down lesser hive fleets to steal their resources! Which I think is cool

@@jonahbrenner5597 yes they actually have that

I resonate with this idea yeah! I think that the community around them is correct, that it's not exactly grimdark, but the way their society is formatted is like pre-grimdark meaning it's about to get bad fast and yes, I too resent the Space Wolves

Idk they just don’t have enough lore yet for me to make a decision, it is interesting though

you are so valid for that They are the least fleshed out faction in a universe who's known for having heavily defined factions so it's a common opinion

I mean It's pretty much the tau Treatment when they released

People are saying that? They're like the 80s high Sci-fi that 40k is missing wrapped up in funny dwarf people. Side note: I miss the tank train...

They try to be on decent terms with everyone and therefore also have to lie to everyone about just how good they actually are, I just love that

The squats 2.0 are humans that dug too deep into genetic engineering so much that they became something else entirely.

I actually think that's a terrible idea. The Imperium's xenophobia tends to be a *little* overplayed. They tolerate and even associate with xenos that they find non-threatening. But if they find you qualify as human... well welcome to the Imperium Imperial subject, your ass is property of the Emperor now. No human is allowed to NOT be part of the Imperium as far as they're concerned.

@bad-people6510 the kyn are still abhuman though, at least as far as i know. Admittedly I think they should be full fledged xenos, GW just has danced around the topic in the little lore they've put out. This could be a way the retcon it

TO THE BONE!

DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE!?

ooooh trust me, I play Deep Rock with the boys now and then

ROCK AND STONE!

FOR KARL!

When you rock and stone, you're never alone!

ROCK AND ROLL AND STONE!!!

Are you suggesting they are grimdark?

@@Va11idus There not goody two shoes. But they dont turn people into mindless cybernetic drones for thinking too much.

@@Va11idus There’s grimdark and there’s grimderp. Even so, I’ve held this opinion even with the Tau for a long while: grimdark isn’t effective if there’s no noblebright shining through. With no light in the darkness, you can’t really see just how bad it all is.

@@tfan2222 exactly, their needs to be some good guys. At least some individuals.

I mean, they could easily go Grimdark. How do you think they'd react tae someone learning at least one of their secrets?

Space marine just soccer kicks them across the battlefield 🤣🤣🤣

@@cxptainfordo275 *gets foot obliterated by DaoT hammer* *little man teleports away yelling obscenities*

The fact I was playing Deep Rock a lot when they were announced may have had an influence on my desire to start collecting

Rock and stone

"Hey, other voltann, make us a copy of your drive" "Beep boop, done" "Yay"

Which is that tiny piece of lore that says “don’t worry they won’t eventually die out naturally” as they can very slowly maintain themselves. The kin can build and operate their tech, so eventually new Votann will be able to do it as effectively as the old ones. Just unlucky it seems to be a 10000 year process of trial and error.

@@user-rs9bc4qr2s tbh i'm thinking why the votann doesn't make other STCs and deposit half their info into the new ones, thus freeing some space while also maintaining the STcs efficiency?

@@OHGAS-rt5uc Maybe they don’t have typical data banks for storage and can’t actually delete or move data. Considering they’ve been uploading their dead’s knowledge into them for 10000 years, they probably assumed it was infinite and never sore the need to prepare new ones. They’re only now just starting too.

@@user-rs9bc4qr2s but at the same time i makes me wonder, can't they ask the machines to expand their data storage,hard drive,processors,etc?

It’s fun watching Commander Farsight, one of the few people in the setting with a working brain and morales, slowly struggle with khornate corruption

The Tau sorta are. They were never "good" to begin with, but their recent lore has them becoming less principled and more xenophobic

Horuse would just mess it up to bribe the Future Dark mechanicus.

@@miles2378 I don't think the emperor would delegate an alliance like this to a primarch. He would most likely keep the votann hidden until absolutely necessary. And seeing how they only recently started appearing in the galaxy it wouldn't be hard. Plus even if the mechanicum got uppity about it the emperor did have a contingency plan to subjugate them.

The LoV are more LotR than Waryammer Fantasy, which it just a poor executed plagiarism of LotR in the first place.

Well real dwarf proportions wouldn’t be effective. These guys are just compact bulky boys. Bunch of 5ft islander weightlifters

Honestly they are no more 'good guy' then the Craftworld Eldar are. They are willing to talk and trade with you if the benefit is in THEIR favor, if they determine you are a problem (or problem later down the line)and the manpower and resources expended in dealing with you outweigh later benefits they will do so without hesitation. They seem more like the cold impersonal 'corporate' kind of evil if that makes sense. Less the zealous 'BURN IN RIGHTOUS FIRE.' evil and more the 'You're nothing but a problem to be removed' evil. (God forbid when they got a Grudge with you though, THEN it is personal and they will extend whatever resources, manpower and do whatever it takes to get you..)

I agree with the first half but the second half just sounds like personal opinions

​@SCHMALLZZZ how exactly?? They're closer to the grineer than warframr

You mean the Space Wolves? The Luna Wolves are now the Black Legion.

This is how out of touch I assume the average space dwarves fan to be: Thinking the Luna Wolves are a current space marine chapter.

​@@Va11idusyeah just keep drinking that Imperium propaganda and forget about the best chapter

​@@beowylfen Luna Wolves are still a legion dood

⁠@@SCHMALLZZZ They absolutely 100% are not. Even if you ignore they became the Sons of Horus the legion died on Maeleum when the 3rd completely wrecked them and stole Horus’s body. The black legion see themselves as entirely separate from the SoH something completely new especially since they comprise of marines from all the original traitor legions and even loyalist ones. The closest you’d get is the warband the True Sons and to say they are Luna Wolves is a huge stretch. As of right now in 30k the last Luna Wolf is Garviel Logan and he is most certainly dead in 40k.

yeah, I remembered a bit more recently too? I think if you count slightly older models, you have the Swarmlord, Deathleaper, old one eye, the Parasite of mortrex, and the Red Terror. Just to kinda name the ones that have had models

@@TheBoneZone40k jeez, and we only got cawl on tabletop. Did the nids eat the other ad mech characters wtf?

Yeah, it's just that the mechanicum are such a niche faction that making characters is a bit tough me thinks.

It is so freaking funny, holy moly

I am actually doing my own custom league! (I am likely going to run them mostly with Ymir Conglomerate rules) most of them are painted, and I have a little booklet to write down their lore in. I call them the Ratataskor Mining Corporation. they are mostly Deep grey armour plating with white cloth, unless they have exo-armour then it's a navy blue highlighted with a neon blue.

OK

The theories are out there, there is a good chance they will be a thing in 10th edition!

Honestly my head canon is just, the Kin never asked it to

It seems implied these things were created by Dark Age of Tech humans on earth so they were not build on site. The Votann were on the colony ships that were send into the core with the Kin. Personally I think it may be the case the Votann were actually meant to study the galactic core and were suppose to send the data back to Earth but then Age of Strife happened. Their programing prevented them from deleting data or stopping the data gathering, the whole process developed sort of to religious significance for the Kin and so have been collecting data for 10000 plus years for what is in essence a obsolete task. Also all that data have caused the Votann to slow down significantly. Ask it a complex question in its peak years you had all the data you could possibly need in seconds. Ask a complex question currently and it can take years, decades or even centuries to get the data cause it has to shift through so much of it now. (amusingly sometimes after all that waiting it may just ask you to be more specific, imagine hearing that after waiting close to a century.) I know new Votann do occasionally pop up from a developed Fane but they have made clear the Kin have no clue how this happens due to how random it is.