Scariest Commanders to Play Against | The Command Zone 520

Scariest Commanders to Play Against | The Command Zone 520 | Magic The Gathering Commander EDH

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Some legends are truly terrifying to see in your opponent’s command zone. But they get a little less scary once you have a gameplan to stop them. Today, we’re breaking down the modern-day Commander boogiemen, why they’re so powerful, and what you can do to hold your own against them. Are our nightmare foes the same as yours? Or did we miss the legendary creature who haunts your game nights? Come see for yourself!
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:05:01 - Scariest Commanders to Play Against
00:06:52 - Chulane, Teller of Tales
00:10:09 - Marwyn, the Nurturer
00:13:28 - Omnath, Locus of Creation
00:18:36 - Prosper, Tome-Bound
00:23:58 - Kalamax, the Stormsire
00:26:12 - Scion, of the Ur-Dragon
00:28:47 - Kaalia of the Vast
00:32:32 - Satoru Umezawa
00:39:32 - Scariest Commanders to Play Against
00:41:01 - Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder
00:44:23 - Narset, Enlightened Master
00:47:53 - Najeela, the Blade-Blossom
00:51:38 - The Prismatic Bridge
00:53:20 - Jodah, Archmage Eternal
00:56:12 - The Locust God
00:58:39 - Tergrid, God of Fright
01:02:34 - Korvold, Fae-Cursed King
01:06:02 - Jodah, the Unifier
01:08:33 - K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth
01:10:57 - Veyran, Voice of Duality
01:13:05 - The Gitrog Monster
01:16:49 - Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow
01:20:36 - Urza, Lord High Artificer
01:27:11 - Outro
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@commandcast Жыл бұрын

Which Commanders are you the most scared of? Why are they so scary? How do you try to balance the scales against them?

@alpacaraider9661 Жыл бұрын

nethroi is so scary, he is almost unbeatable if they have a big GY

@commandcast Жыл бұрын

@@alpacaraider9661 Nethroi almost made the list! Definitely scary to play against.

@theaeskey2502 Жыл бұрын

Horobi death’s wail. Boardwipe tribal and can turn dorky draft chaff like liquimental coating into a continuous free kill spell… it’s scary. It’s also combo based for me. I run mindcrank bloodchief asention with syr Konrad back up. Plus you run a suite of reanimating spells and lands (Endless Whispers, Phyrexian Reclamation, volrath’s stronghold etc). Yeah it’s scary. It can even turn lands into kills spells (see maze of ith, urborg [the one from legends] Shizo, Death’s Store House etc). Also another nasty combo in the deck is unwinding clock. I’ve had games where it’s been three against one and I’ve placed in second

@shubhdhar6551 Жыл бұрын

animar tbh

@jeffreylong1478 Жыл бұрын

Things that cheat in big creatures can be scary. Rakdos lord of riots, Kaalia, Atla palani, etc. It’s not necessarily the commanders but what the commanders can cheat in that make them so threatening.

@davidmason3332 Жыл бұрын

You should do a “Game Knights” with the four scariest commanders. That would be amazing

@ertai222 Жыл бұрын

True.

@davidrosenberg9615 Жыл бұрын

Nah, the game would probably end quickly, depending on who draws the most fast mana.

@maxbodifee3263 Жыл бұрын

They are running less fast mana nowadays to make the games more interesting. Also they should be able to keep each other in check pretty well

@joshmc5882 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a Halloween special

@IgorDellaPietra Жыл бұрын

from personal experience, playing against cancer edh (cedh) is not fun nor interesting and if you had already doubts about your hobby, you will probably quit right afterwards. fun stuff!

@lore_lite_ Жыл бұрын

rachel coming onto the staff here has entirely transformed your content. these days i’m interested in every subject and find myself intrigued through the whole episode. very happy with her addition to the staff and her approach to MTG, it’s really taken your content to a whole new level. her impact is distinctly noticeable and a massive positive change for this channel. edit: kind of sad some of these replies started dunking on other people when that wasn’t my intention! stop pitting women against each other or comparing individuals to each other. everyone on the CZ team is epic. Rachel has just made some noticeable changes to the show since she joined on and that’s awesome of her. not a sleight to anyone else here. let’s keep it kind y’all ❤️

@xxhellspawnedxx Жыл бұрын

Yeah, she has revived, or at least coincided with the revival of, what I feel that the CZ has mothballed until recently, i.e. the in-depth discussion and ever-green topics, as contrasted by the product-specific episodes that have become more common in the last couple of years.

@andrueurbane7361 Жыл бұрын

Rachel is a great addition. Whip smart, respectfully snarky and has fantastic chemistry with everyone. She has earned my new sub.

@fnmeng Жыл бұрын

Rachel is the best

@timmyg316 Жыл бұрын

Really? I can't see it. She's fine, not bad but certainly not amazing. Maybe I'm missing something you guys are seeing? I miss having Jimmy and Josh together because of their chemistry. The shows become a walking infomercial for Magic anyway...

@joshuaritter7702 Жыл бұрын

hard disagree from me since she joined it feels lack luster

@bryankopkin6869 Жыл бұрын

Id love to see a video on commanders that people think aren’t threatening but end up being scary

@wayneballard5875 Жыл бұрын

Yes please! :-D

@AmberPanda382 Жыл бұрын

My #1 is Jetmir. I’ve seen people look at him and think “oh it’s 9 creatures I’ll be fine” and then I just play scute swarm and Hattie and they’re like “ah shit”

@malmasterson3890 Жыл бұрын

Top of that list for me would be the commander I would immediately add to this video; Elminster. If you hate Narset, this is Narset but more consistent & takes longer lol.

@HamSandwich-xk3om 11 ай бұрын

One that I just discovered that might qualify is Light-paws, emperors voice. Very deceptive in its power, not to mention, the "drawback" is a complete non-issue in commander!

@undinkingdragon9785 10 ай бұрын

Darigaaz shivan champion gets scary after three turns cause you get pretty scary dragons for free each turn

@stikkontakt4 Жыл бұрын

Finally this podcast discussing fun subjects again and not just set reviews. Keep it coming !

@bobross8585 Жыл бұрын

Literally the last like 8 videos aren't reviewing anything. What are you talking about?

@quintmarcelis2691 Жыл бұрын

@Bob Ross It used to feel like most episodes were reviewing sets, precons or revealing stuff for WotC, so Im also really happy with the 'evergreen' topics.

@bobross8585 Жыл бұрын

@Quint Marcelis I feel like you're just saying that because you're actually just mad that WOTC is releasing more product.

@awsomewild Жыл бұрын

@@bobross8585 tbh its valid to be mad, bcz everyone should be mad at WOTC, (not Command Zone) for their scummy practice these past months (hell even these past years). And they are not done, wait till the LotR set comes out

@bobross8585 Жыл бұрын

@@awsomewild ... why?

@rylanchampion5972 Жыл бұрын

So about Kalamax: you can't cast fork or reverberate without another spell on the stack. So an instant kill commander isn't possible without someone else casting a spell for you to target. Also harrow you won't sacrifice two lands. It's part of the cost so you copy the spell not the casting cost. So it's 1 land for 4

@gideondaniels8010 Жыл бұрын

Yes! They made him seem a lot scarier than he is (he can still get pretty scary lol)

@rylanchampion5972 Жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly, although I would say if ral Zarek the War, of the spark version, resolves and kalamax is tapped you're probably dead

@TurtleBleach689 Жыл бұрын

you can just cast a sorcery first to target, kalamax only cares about instant spells

@xXDerPuppenspielerXx Жыл бұрын

@@TurtleBleach689 But then you cant do it instant speed when Kalamax is already swinging and unblocked.

@draco4569 Жыл бұрын

@@xXDerPuppenspielerXx Hypersonic Dragon is one of the cards that can help you get around that.

@jakel3333 Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised to not see Winota. She is incredibly strong and consistent.

@WilliamAndRose1 Жыл бұрын

I was too! She is probably my strongest combat based commander, even though I don't use a CEDH level design.

@Commander_Claw Жыл бұрын

@@WilliamAndRose1 I feel like she is manageable just because its boros and you have to have a Non-Human creature.

@xxhellspawnedxx Жыл бұрын

Winota is strong, but she is also quite random. Like, for Winota to go absolutely bonkers, in a casual context, you need to have your (relatively few) nonhuman creatures in your starting hand and/or early draws and your big humans in your library, relatively close to the top but spaced out evenly so that you don't flip 5 in one trigger and then whiff for all of the following triggers. It rarely stacks up that way, at least not in a casual build. Depending on the board state, you can usually let Winota be for a turn or two at least, before she starts becoming tricky to deal with. She also doesn't come back as easily as other commanders (i.e. doesn't directly provide card draw and/or mana), and obviously her colours proclude a lot of the most broken shit you can do in commander. The bit you have to watch out for is if she drops something that can give a bunch of extra combat steps, double strike or lots of nonhuman tokens.

@Commander_Claw Жыл бұрын

@@xxhellspawnedxx See the way you explained it shows you have played a ton of games with her. I haven't been a victim yet of a player flipping over creatures with extra combat steps, double strike thats not Embercleave!!! But the randomness is what makes her manageable..

@WilliamAndRose1 Жыл бұрын

@@Commander_Claw My build I think differs from a lot of others, in that I focus on humans that synergize. Soldiers, specifically. A lot of humans that create soldier tokens create non-human ones, which just fuel Winota more. Half the creatures in the deck are hasty one drop non-humans, the other half are humans that either make soldiers, buff soldiers, or are soldiers themselves (sometimes more than one of those!). The turn Winota comes down, I usually have two or three creatures already prepared to go - or you can be sneaky and have Winota come down first, all alone, so that she doesn't look like a threat - and then bust out two, three, or even four hasty creatures the following turn and attack immediately. I've gone from an attack like that into having about 20 creatures on board at the end of the combat phase, and then closing out the game the following turn.

@robynmaag1266 Жыл бұрын

At 1:07:30 I think it's so funny that Jimmy was like "Even with a budget deck" and then shows expensive cards on screen

@Alessandro-mg9oh Жыл бұрын

Ahahaha true

@jgioeli0 Жыл бұрын

Spot on. Ah yes, my budget deck with The Great Henge and Purphoros.

@OhNoTheFace Жыл бұрын

I think they are officially disconnected on cheaper decks lol

@WurmZ420 Жыл бұрын

Fr. The most budget on that list is the bored wipe 🥱

@AngelusNielson Жыл бұрын

These are the people who routinely play with mana crypts and dual lands. "Budget" is relative.

@LordRedhand Жыл бұрын

Reminds me where me and a friend did a two-headed giant EDH tournament with Tergrid and Tinybones, it goes exactly how you imagine it would. Magic as Richard Garfield intended attacking with 1/1's and 1/2's.

@AdaWongMistress Жыл бұрын

A dreadmaw commander would be the scariest. You see its teeth, it´s too late.

@Chaoslorden Жыл бұрын

Should be a legendary dreadmaw! And no, Galtha doesn't count. It doesn't say dreadmaw on it.

@johnleffler4353 Жыл бұрын

The Dreadmaw.

@malakimphoros2164 Жыл бұрын

Make it uncommon for lulz

@wykydtron Жыл бұрын

My favorite green demon

@Breviparopus Жыл бұрын

If you see it at the table it's to late

@ArtificialBadger Жыл бұрын

Jetmir has gotta be up there as one of the scariest. At the last persons end step blast a dozen tokens on the field, untap those lands play Jetmir and suddenly there's over 100 trample/double strike damage instantly. Can go from an empty board state to lethal damage to every opponent in less than one turn. White Suns Twilight, Rabble Rousing, Myojin of Blooming Dawn are all essentially instant wins with Jetmir.

@ellaser93 Жыл бұрын

It's fun having a commander that turns March of the Multitudes into a combat trick!

@Buberte Жыл бұрын

Had jetmir under a rabble rowsing recently. An attack with 7 dogs and 2 humans turned out to deal 120 dmg to the table 🙈 surprise

@alfredorivera5764 Жыл бұрын

I play Jetmir. He is awesome.

@musicalshark1812 Жыл бұрын

Run the new juggernaut that says all other creatures are 5/3 juggernauts that have to attack each combat if able

@Delwift Жыл бұрын

Krenko, Mob Boss is always terrifying to go against. Even when kicked down a few times it can and mostly will bounce back if left too idlely.

@paulszki 5 ай бұрын

A friend I play with has a krenko deck. Since he's not as experienced and hasn't played MtG for a long time, his deck and the way he pilots it isn't especially dangerous. But if he is the starting player and draws the Sol-Ring, it's almost certainly going to be a non-game if I don't have the removal right then and there. t1 sol-ring into possibly lighting greaves t2 krenko, equip greaves, tap krenko: goblin counter 2 t3 play anything that makes goblins (more than likely at least 3+ goblins) -A> tap krenko: goblin counter now at 10 If you then go into your own third turn, even if you find an answer to krenko now (or have the mana to cast it because you ramped turn 2), there's already a bunch of goblins out and you'll just die in combat in short order. But I do think, without a Sol-Ring, he is entirely fair unless it's a really low power table. The less interaction people run, the more likely it is that his board will exponentially swarm. But casting a krenko "fair" turn-3 seems entirely reasonable and gives players a lot of time to react and if nobody can do anything about krenko in a 4-player game for like two full turns, it's okay if they lose.

@GridicA Жыл бұрын

i would add Urza, chief artificer to the '1 to 2 turns' list. Phenomenal value if allowed to stick around, and scary support in that color pie

@arthurpicket3505 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the episode! I've been out of the loop for about four years so an update on the metagame as well as a breakdown is fantastic for me.

@SmashCentralOfficial Жыл бұрын

This is a list of the most strongest, un fun commanders to play against. It's not the "meta" whatsoever. Your meta depends on who and where you play lol.

@arthurpicket3505 Жыл бұрын

@@SmashCentralOfficial I use the definition broadly and to assist in threat assessment.

@anthonymarciano6050 Жыл бұрын

@@arthurpicket3505 most people do, he clearly doesn't know where the term derives from. Most Effective Tactic Available

@ColorwaveCraftsCo Жыл бұрын

The editors did a great job with this one 👍🏻

@tristancaballero5932 Жыл бұрын

Definitely! Big props to them.

@zeusalternative1270 Жыл бұрын

Niv Mizzet Parun is able to draw a bunch of cards or go infinite with curiosity like effects.

@Skellygoo Жыл бұрын

I remember I tried to build "The Fair Urza" when he first came out... Lol my friends still rib me about it. I just now embrace how broken he is and play all the stax pieces and infinite mana (at an appropriate pod/table of course.)

@zodiac3981 Жыл бұрын

prosper is one of my favorite decks and it always blows me away that my play group rarely ever deals with it immediately. usually it leads to them having to completely dismantling my board 2-3 times if they want to stop me.

@biohex7638 Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised you guys didn't mention Toxrill, decks filled with proliferate, counters and creature protection.

@mibbzx1493 Жыл бұрын

Yea toxrill can also be played in the 99 and show up outta no where and slap face 🤣

@mindhackz Жыл бұрын

Ninjitsu Toxrill out of nowhere with Umezawa

@Shane16784 Жыл бұрын

Also cloning it can be really toxic…..pun intended. And cards like Dictate of Erebos pretty much keeps the board clean permanently

@tristinhays9870 Жыл бұрын

@@mindhackz bbbhhjhhhjhhh

@lisaparker271 Жыл бұрын

you all are too pure, when i made toxrill, it was basically kormus bell + urborg and ways to tutor for them. I just ld everyone everyturn.

@user-ye2ug3fm3u 10 ай бұрын

rachel and jimmy = best on-screen chemistry

@Creeper201217 Жыл бұрын

Shorikai, genesis engine. That card is insane. If you don’t get rid of it the value you get from that card becomes too much

@jodylester9118 Жыл бұрын

As a Prosper main, I can confirm he pops off REALLY hard. If people aren't careful, he can have 30 minute uninterrupted turns that just never seem to end. Woe to all if Etali also gets going on top of that. Edit: I was being hyperbolic with the "30 minute" figure. My b. Somehow didn't realize it would be taken literally. Lol

@MaleusMaleficarum Жыл бұрын

That sounds miserable

@mindhackz Жыл бұрын

Why are you the way that you are.

@CristianFernandez-dh2lf Жыл бұрын

As a Prosper main, I agree without question. And we can aristrocrat our way out of a game

@cristianvaldez-ramirez3618 Жыл бұрын

Will respectfully scoop as i would like to play.

@WilliamAndRose1 Жыл бұрын

I play my Prosper list very differently. I have him built to specifically use my opponents' decks - by exiling their cards to play with. He has no real way to win on his own, and thus becomes as weak as the other decks at the table. I find this a really fun way to play him, and he doesn't take as long of turns usually (maybe 2-5 minutes once he gets going, but never 10+).

@thriftypsgr 10 ай бұрын

I am loving these videos. It really helps a new player like me. I bought a precon in March/April and used y’all’s budget upgrade for it starting out.

@kitcoakley1357 Жыл бұрын

I'm very happy to see that none of my commanders were mentioned, but even more glad that I have a sense of what my next one will be right now I'm working on getting all of the four color commanders out of the way I've already got atraxa and Breya it's nice to know that guy is a good bet as well

@CF-hy7nk Жыл бұрын

Sad miirym isn't here

@Ruvikon Жыл бұрын

Loving Rachel's input on the format and watching her play is always fun too. Def a great choice adding her to the staff!

@ashbell5240 Жыл бұрын

Edgar Markov. Eminence is always a higher degree of scary, and while you might be able to board wipe a few times to keep him down, black draw and any white protection means his army of vampires keeps coming back and swarming players down.

@bradlanigan9286 29 күн бұрын

I love the podcast, appreciate everyone on it and those I don’t see. Love that you always show the card you are talking about. Thank you.

@loopyt6205 Жыл бұрын

Been a big fan of you guys for years. Can’t thank you enough for all the videos!

@kitcoakley1357 Жыл бұрын

Nor can I

@chaelsonnen1 Жыл бұрын

keep these podocasts coming! theyve been great

@mastablasta6222 Жыл бұрын

Chulane being first is so appropriate. Before I knew how insane he was, I threw a Chulane deck together from random creatures I had sitting around and boy did it work. Not only does the deck play itself, but it tends to build itself too. I went into a fugue state and tuned it up, now its not one I really play lol

@alexanderl187 Жыл бұрын

Fun and educational! Loved it. And I got to see my boy Prosper! It's an often underestimated card. But I've put a stipulation in my deck where I ONLY exile from MY own deck. I use a healthy (probably too many) amount of single target removal spells, and basically get through my deck via exile/tutors and eventually cast Torment of Hailfire ftw

@SnowFoxWithAGasMask Жыл бұрын

I actually believe Garson starn belongs on this list, with just one pinger and a few spells he can kill players insanely quickly, and being able to pay 1 or 2 to do 3 damage to each creature your opponents control gives him a edge over decks that rely on cheap creatures in early game or hordes.

@DarkanOmegamu Жыл бұрын

As someone who plays this commander, I can confirm. Games are ended quickly if no one takes out the pingers.

@dimitricardoso7334 Жыл бұрын

@@DarkanOmegamu do you have any list ?

@DarkanOmegamu Жыл бұрын

@@dimitricardoso7334 I have one on Moxfield but it's currently outdated with what I'm playing now. I can post it up here later though

@mexftplaya Жыл бұрын

I made a spellslinger / Storm deck with him and yes. The game will end quickly if not dealt with. Not only does it do direct damage but it also can function as creature removal effectively

@TheComicBookJoker Жыл бұрын

@@mexftplaya Let me guess. Grapeshot doing its best Lightning Bolt impression thanks to Starn?

@bernie9817 Жыл бұрын

LOL at the fact that they didn't include Krenko, Mob Boss.

@xxhellspawnedxx Жыл бұрын

He, and many other commanders, are powerful, but not usually KoS scary. Like, he doesn't directly provide mana or card advantage. If he's knocked down a couple of times, he usually stays down, and without a very specific set of goblin combo pieces, that deck is dead in the water. This sits in stark contrast to the Golos wannabe's who provide unrivalled card and/or mana advantage pretty much as soon as they hit the field, i.e. Chulane and Korvold.

@bernie9817 Жыл бұрын

@@xxhellspawnedxx I play with a lot of protection for krenko and ways of doing his ability multiple times per turn. Sure Krenko is susceptible to board wipes, but what commander isn't? I don't play my goblin deck much because its not fun for my meta or my LGS meta. All i really need to win in for this deck is card draw and protection for krenko. Obviously supporting goblins go a long way, but to say Krenko is not a KoS commander is an L take for you and the command zone.

@bernie9817 Жыл бұрын

@Bong Water Alchemist so does deflecting swat and red elemental blast and reverberate.

@ajgunter8932 Жыл бұрын

I have a Kaalia deck and i can confirm it is absolutely terrifying to play against.

@brianrowe5624 Жыл бұрын

Most recently I built an Ovika deck and that thing is crazy powerful...mana rock tribal with a few card draw and payoff spells...game over man

@BrodyTwice Жыл бұрын

Kalamax still needs a legal target for the first fork you cast so it's not as easy as attack and cast fork

@TheComicBookJoker Жыл бұрын

No, but it is as easy as cast a Sorcery, hold priority to cast Fork targeting the Sorcery, profit. Or have a way to give something Flash, just so you *can* attack first.

@BrodyTwice Жыл бұрын

@@TheComicBookJoker yes it's just not as simple as attack and cast fork which is what they made it sound like. You either have to wait till post combat, do it precombat, or have a way to cast a sorcery during combat or bank on an opponent interacting during combat

@andrewpeli9019 Жыл бұрын

Negan, the cold-blooded is another strong treasure commander that wasn't mentioned.

@deathstrokear1483 Жыл бұрын

I came here to comment this. I have a Negan deck that revolves around blinking Negan, sacrificing opponents creatures and making multiple treasures per creature that gets sac’d and nearly every game I play, I have the whole table gunning for me from start to finish, and I win more often than not

@andrewpeli9019 Жыл бұрын

@@deathstrokear1483 I call mine “The bad guy deck.” A villainous character, from a hated set, doing things that makes the table groan.

@naythangoosling1697 Жыл бұрын

all i have to say is we have a friend in our group that his playstyle is always "i just combo out here" id love to see a spot light on like maelstrom wanderer or arcum dagson or something on how you guys work around annoying combo decks

@SqueezeBurger Жыл бұрын

This is a fantastic review of threat assessment in general. Great content!

@RyanMahurin 10 ай бұрын

I feel like Atraxa(both, but more Praetors Voice) is a pretty scary commander. I do run her for my poison deck, and it is pretty good.

@sebastiendouilhet5890 Жыл бұрын

I'd like a video about the ones the make the game more fun while remaining powerful!

@Mr_B_251 Жыл бұрын

I liked your take on Yidris. My Yidris build was a "Cast from Exile Matters" deck with a lot of "Steal Your Stuff" deck vibes, so it wasn't as consistent as the video mentioned, but nobody allowed Yidris to connect if they had the power to ensure it couldn't! Nobody wants a Stolen Goods to steal their stuff cascading into a Praetor's Grasp to steal more of their stuff!

@GoldenSpartan007 Жыл бұрын

It sucks living in a small town where all I can do is live vicariously through KZfaq because there is no play groups near me

@ertai222 Жыл бұрын

No kidding. Or a community that tries to force you out because someone there doesn't like you.

@hiddenleaf414 Жыл бұрын

I like how there are so many “Scary” commanders now. You can easily play a pod where everyone plays a scary commander and those can be some of the most fun swingy games to play. My friend group normally closes the night out with the strongest commanders vs each other. Koma, Chulane, Prossh, Yuriko, Xenagos, Sythis, Urza.

@-8h- 11 ай бұрын

I dont think I'd group yuriko with those others. Scary yes, but not like those ones.

@summerflare2321 Жыл бұрын

Another point I've seen that makes Omnath just so damn good is Mutate. You can mutate a non-legendary creature onto Omnath and make copies of it and it copies the abilities acquired from Omnath, so you just have a metric crap-ton of Omnaths and just super out value your opponents.

@ShotensGaming Жыл бұрын

That deck idea was popularized by this channel with Jake's omnath deck.

@lightfut Жыл бұрын

My playgroup has a Bruna, Light of Alabaster player that is a kill on sight type. Bruna costs a lot, but if she hits, boots go on, and a lethal unlockable commander swing is coming.

@ellaser93 Жыл бұрын

"Oh, you're playing Tergrid? My commander is Trostani Discordant! Wait! Where are you going?"

@philippniemann8842 Жыл бұрын

5:07 the Podcast starts here

@josephharty5048 Жыл бұрын

I totally thought this was a game of the scariest commanders against each other lol

@Oopsall Жыл бұрын

The thumbnail really does put that across lol

@Ingvar_the_Red Жыл бұрын

I literally had a table full of those scary commanders from your list and a cedh player refused to play with me because I brought Sen triplets, which he were more afraid of, than Urza, Yuriko and Najeela combined.

@TheComicBookJoker Жыл бұрын

I kinda get why. Sen Triplets stops a player from having the opportunity to interact at instant speed on the Sen Triplets’ turn. More than one if there’s ways to copy the trigger or get extra Upkeep steps in play. All the others mentioned at least allow for the illusion of agency still being maintained.

@TalonAires Жыл бұрын

I would love to see the full list! Great Vid!!

@sum_dum_dragon4759 Жыл бұрын

Sad to see Yidris on this list, but he is insane normally. I will say I do love my 4 color dice rolling deck. He's just there for the colors I swear!!!

@Blacklodge_Willy Жыл бұрын

I have him built as a value mill deck to get more bang from my mill spells 😅

@markuskoivisto Жыл бұрын

I don’t believe you

@solsticepride3302 Жыл бұрын

I'm glad korvold is this high lol. Been playing him since he came out and he's insane. Built everything from treasures to dragons

@virx227 11 ай бұрын

Just rewatching this episode. Jimmy and Rachel have a great dynamic! Love these 2 together

@michaelroy1175 Жыл бұрын

I've really enjoyed the content between spoiler season! I'm glad you got a break for passion projects

@nerd2death899 Жыл бұрын

So i just wanna throw one that seems niche up until you really play against a good brew for it (mainly because my friends hate this deck). Liesa, Shroud of Dusk from Commander Legends. She has, quite consistently, out valued in a unique way where simply trying to remove her would be too punishing and dangerous, and she can quite easily control your opponents ability to play the game with juat one or two spells from you. And she can almost never die, due to her command tax being replqced with life loss.

@epyon6712 8 ай бұрын

can you share your list? I'm trying to build a liesa deck but been failing with it.

@nerd2death899 8 ай бұрын

@@epyon6712 I can, but it's expensive-ish. What's your budget, I do have some budget based ideas/replacements.

@epyon6712 8 ай бұрын

@@nerd2death899 Thanks man! No worries, I'm all for expensive decks. If something is expensive like out of question I'll ask for a replacement if you let me.

@nerd2death899 8 ай бұрын

@@epyon6712 Do you want a link to the decklist on Manabox/EDHreq? Or just a list here in the comments?

@gerardoramos3179 Жыл бұрын

So then the question becomes, what commanders do you like playing against? A lot of these cards will make you think you're in for a bad time, but how do you know you're in for a good time? 😬

@fdtori Жыл бұрын

You are in for a good time if you can at least foresee that the game is winnable, that hope is sustainable and prolonged, and if all players can take part in that feeling of hope, then everyone can have a good time, even the ones who eventually lose... losing isn't always that bad if the game was close.

@jolteon345 Жыл бұрын

Honestly the answer is fairly easy - anything that isn't played that often and isn't in the scariest list. The best games are the games that surprise you, and agreeing on jank with your playgroup (usually keeping your budget below $60 or $75 including the commander) makes the most fun games.

@williamkeiser7562 Жыл бұрын

My playgroup has quickly added Vadrik, astral archmage as one of their must kill commanders after they saw him storm off and kill everyone by turn 3 and 4 the third time. He discounts all my instants and sorceries to just one colored mana after only one pump spell or one day/night cycle before he's ripping through the deck with draw spells and spells that untap lands or ones that create treasure while building up large storm count going into mind's desire multiple times. He's has a lot of those 20 min turns that end in game.

@cteal2018 Жыл бұрын

Scary commanders in my area, Ruxa, mono green token deck that can win with commander damage. Kennerth the Returned King : Goes infinate with a ham sandwich. OG Atraxa both superfriends and proliferation variants.

@jelledemaeyer7329 Жыл бұрын

Every Time I play my Zacama deck is when i notice people counting my lands the most. The one I am most scared of in my playgroup is probably Merieke Ri Berit. she just evil.

@alexrogall4543 Жыл бұрын

Im building him now its a blast

@Tae_Grixis Жыл бұрын

@@alexrogall4543Him who? Zacama?

@alexrogall4543 Жыл бұрын

@Matthew Hancock yeah thats the giant dino right that untaps your land. It was my first custom commander since i cane back to the game. I broke it down and have been meaning to rebuild it

@Tae_Grixis Жыл бұрын

@@alexrogall4543I did the same with my Breya deck. Got back into the game and rebuilt my deck. Now I play it a bit differently and it is even better. I don't rely on my commander to solve all of my problems and I play a bit more aggressively. These news sets are great for my deck. I have been playing artifacts since 2013. It is home.

@DoubleOhSilver Жыл бұрын

What about Koma? Or Vorinclex? Maybe that one's more scary for me since I run a Ghave deck

@CHEFPKR Жыл бұрын

What's interesting about these commanders, especially one like Tergrid, is they do ONE thing but they do it really well. I actually play Tergrid in my 99 of a dimir deck, but she's just one of the threats versus what the entire deck is based on.

@kirkebel2194 Жыл бұрын

Great video as always. I have a Bruce tarl/Sakishima deck that’s a “secret”narset commander deck. I also run fun toys like the red white dragon from Strixhaven (velemacus). Nothing feels better than 2 of those baddies with lifelink double strike

@DuzaRed Жыл бұрын

Imprison in the Moon is a great card against Yuriko.

@TheComicBookJoker Жыл бұрын

Yep. Imprison in the Moon and Song of the Dryads are both great ways to deal with Yuriko. Also Humility if you’re feeling particularly cheeky.

@dave_eagle2787 Жыл бұрын

Surprised Miirym, sentinel wurm wasnt mentioned.

@commandcast Жыл бұрын

Miirym was on the original list! Just barely didn't make the cut.

@dave_eagle2787 Жыл бұрын

@@commandcast im just surprised cause the LGS i go to, most people react to mirrym as though someone announced theyre playing kaalia. And there are more powerful commanders at the LGS like korvold or prosper, so i feel like it shouldve made the list. I do agree with all the selections that made the video though

@DoubleOhSilver Жыл бұрын

@@dave_eagle2787 So much of a threat, we played a game at my LGS where Miirym's player was mana screwed for like 10 turns and was close to losing next (one player already lost by then). As soon as he had enough to cast him, he already had 2 other cards on the field to boost him for his next turn, He used an instant before that turn to deal lethal to the other player, and all he did on his own turn was cast one dragon to deal 90 damage on me. He wasn't even at the table most of that game because of how mana screwed he was, yet he still won. Miirym definitely belongs on this list.

@chaoscultist5679 Жыл бұрын

Beat a Prosper, Tome-Bound deck with my Scarab God deck earlier today actually, it was one hell of a fight, game went on for an hour and a half.

@finnthehydra622 Жыл бұрын

I have a Jodah, Archmage Eternal deck that runs with cascade cards. It has Omniscience and a few other high CMC cards like Stormherd bc I also run Maelstrom Nexus and Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty that can give those cards cascade as well. The deck regularly takes off once I get access to WUBRG. With the ramp I run in it, I can usually get all my colors out by turn 3, and then cast whatever I want, which is usually a big cascade spell

@michaelcollins4534 Жыл бұрын

I always find it so odd that people are so terrified of the front half of tergrid when the back side is half on an infinite combo. Y'all know they've been taking it easy on you right lol

@egoish6762 Жыл бұрын

I just closed a game out with a top decked torment x=43 but to be honest i could have just cast lantern.

@michaelcollins4534 Жыл бұрын

@@egoish6762 exactly. It's literally torment of hailfire in the command zone

@egoish6762 Жыл бұрын

@@michaelcollins4534 i'm also surprised with the 2 hour games thing, i don't run land hate in my build anyway but i rarely get a game over 45 mins. I either get battered because i'm archenemy, get looked at for board control against the archenemy or close the game out with coffers/muck/crypt/caged sun big mana.

@SuperAmaton Жыл бұрын

One card I have nightmares about is Atraxa, Praetor's Voice. One of my friends has this card. He thought it might be fun. To comine this card. With dozens of Planeswalkers.

@juancaicedo2007 Жыл бұрын

From the commanders you guys mention I have 7 of them that I play… I love bringing the salt to the table and deal with multiple people at one time… love the challenge…

@user-ds2nw8fn6h 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for talking about Saruro Umezawa:)

@rontrezbeaugard8212 Жыл бұрын

Obligatory 1st

@arthurpicket3505 Жыл бұрын

You're a twelve year old

@hackzicuackzicu1421 Жыл бұрын

@Arthur Picket they ain't even 1st lol

@enriquemeza5291 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely loved this video. Great job on this guys!

@BriggsMullen Жыл бұрын

I'm building a tap/untap changeling deck, and was thinking about making a combat-based version too. I saw Najeela and my first thought was using her for this deck. Funny that you said "Oh, it's a changeling deck"

@kylehershman2288 Жыл бұрын

I 100% agree with Omnath lol. I had a game *last night* where by T4 i was dropping 2-3 lands per turn, had a felidars retreat + ancient greenwarden out and was buffing my entire board and doubling all my triggers.. The deck goes brrrr

@hellstocker7707 Жыл бұрын

Cascade is my favorite ability and you just made me realize how good it was. Jodah, the Unifier and The First Sliver. Going to make a Zhulodok, Void Gorger deck when it gets released too😅

@lorchenakumnarth6456 Жыл бұрын

Still riding the high from my last game with Tergird before I took it apart. t1 Swamp, Sol Ring, Jeweled Lotus, Tergrid. t2, Swamp, Dark Deal. She became Yawgmoth, which was very same every game and too combo-y. Currently, Braids, significantly more fun than the previous two!

@ayties5113 Жыл бұрын

Two examples of our playgroup: Meren is scary as she gathers the experience very quick. The other was the one game for fun 2 of our group asked if we wanna play a 2 vs 2. We lost so badly because the one Player played Ivy, Glamerous Thief as an Aura Commander, his Partner played his Ivy as a Mutate Commander. Ne had no chance against them.

@TropicPigeon Жыл бұрын

One thing I’ve found that’s good to use on urza that if found is a transformation spell, kenriths transformation, imprisoned on the moon, darksteel mutation, anything like they actually shuts it down for at least a turn or 2

@mexftplaya Жыл бұрын

My friend has a Beledros deck and it's gross once he has a board set up for it. It literally goes to work on each player's turn.

@EvolutionSTUD10S Жыл бұрын

Might be a hot take, but Chatterfang. If that player gets a turn or two with their commander, you generally are facing an army of squirrels and then the game ends. I also play a Ghyrson Starn list that gets targeted whenever he hits the board.

@benjaminrichard7741 Жыл бұрын

I’m new to commander, so I love this video for teaching me what the meta might look like 👍 😊

@joshtalbot8224 Жыл бұрын

As a tergrid player I completely agree and enjoyed your thoughts on tergrid! Great video!!!

@voltcorp Жыл бұрын

Editing is top notch in this one from the start.

@nickleewright Жыл бұрын

"Elves have so much redundancy when it comes to mana production." This is why I prefer the payoff in the command zone (with Ezuri) rather than the engine (the nurturer).

@jaredkemp8659 Жыл бұрын

I know this is an older video, but I just built Jhoira of the Ghitu and she is monstrous if not answered. Favorite deck I've ever had with it's ticking clock of doom. 😅

@ThisIsCarta 7 ай бұрын

My current rotation includes Najeela, Kaalia, and Prosper. My retired cEDH was Marwyn which flew under the radar at a lot of tables even though my average win was by turn 5. My Kaalia deck gets a lot of recognition at tables while Prosper almost NEVER gets removed. Surprisingly the two decks that got the most outright hate didn't make the video which was Prossh food chain and Edgar Markov. Just the fact that I owned food chain was enough to have a kid waste a combo to kill only me in a pod instead of waiting for a table kill.

@kevinbutterfield6906 Жыл бұрын

Glad I caught this so early!

@MrWh33lz Жыл бұрын

I took the teferi pw deck, put urza in the command zone and it always felt way strong in just that before any modifications

@jeffjew5356 Жыл бұрын

One card effect i have not heard you guys mention on this show very often that tends to stop alot of scary things that people fear is the stifle effect. Theres stifle, tales end, disscontinue(i think) all of these cards stop urzas ability, khalia's ability, ninjutsu, narsets ability. Its a great card for 1 blue you can stop even fetch lands if youre trying to stop jodah from having wubrg

@Crabhand Жыл бұрын

A friend of mine does not have Skithryx in his Scion of the Ur-Dragon deck, but he does use Scourge of Valkas or Dragon Tempest + Ancient Gold Dragon to otk the table if he rolls well enough. He won on turn 4 the very first game he played it.

@dennisyoung6122 Жыл бұрын

There are cards that can shut down Urza, though they often don't see play for various reasons. Often because they are "stax" pieces or hate cards that the "social contract" say not to play. Reminds me to look into a Llawan deck that turns everything blue

@vengray8055 Жыл бұрын

People like to play the game. If you're playing casual then good chance there will be little to no stax because casual players don't like it. Urza isn't a casual deck in anyway so why would a person running a casual deck prepare for a cEDH lvl commander? The power disparity is already so huge it doesn't matter.

@empurress77 Жыл бұрын

A relevant rule zero our play group uses is: Commanders cost at least 7 to cast. Commander tax applies to that restriction as well. If a commander costs less than seven it requires a further cost to make the cost be 7. *Converted mana cost is still whatever the normal cost would be. This has allowed a lot of great games between very diverse deck styles to get played. Most importantly it's led to a lot more really fun and entertaining games.

@captcharisma02 Жыл бұрын

20:20 Joline in Gruul is nuts with treaures. Snowballs fast

@bazrin Жыл бұрын

I want to see a gameknights episode with these commanders!

@xxhellspawnedxx Жыл бұрын

I know from playing it that Kodama of the East Tree is a massive filthmonger. All it takes is one or two creature-etb-draw permanents on the board and you can storm off, have near-infinite mana, draw into more lands and creatures to drop, and finally give this huge board haste with Crashing Drawbridge, Concordant Crossroads, Ulvenwald Oddity or Finale of Devastation, and/or pump them with Craterhoof, Unnatural Growth or Defiler of Vigor (other options are available, those are just the ones I run in my deck). To sum up the result of this deck: The last time I played it, and facing staunch resistance from my opponents, by turn 6 I attacked for over 18000 trampling damage per opponent (thank you 256 scute swarms), while having a 40 card hand and a measly 10 cards left in my library, and several protection spells in hand. Basically, once Kodama hits the field, barring a really bad hand, the player can just start dropping extra lands, willy-nilly, and as long as there's a card draw engine on the board they will basically play all their lands and creatures in short order.

@hannahblair3810 Жыл бұрын

I like Rachael's attitude to commander, very down to earth but keeps a fun vibe, her and jimmy work well together

@claygillman9351 Жыл бұрын

There were a few of these that I haven't played against. So I am glad to add thm to my kill on site commanders. 🙂

@thejaybacho 22 күн бұрын

And this is why I have so many protection spells in my Korvold deck, I already know he'll always be the target when he comes out. BUT he's also not the only wincon in the deck cause after my Korvold was stolen by another player in a game, I had to adapt and have a second commander built into the deck :D