Omg this on steroids

This kind of hits home to me and I'm 30.

i just turned 70, both my parents died around 72-74 so i wonder at what moment i'll be popping my clogs, it is an interesting feeling. i'm an artist though and i say that i'm still getting used to being 17, i still hear mum calling up to me when i wake up "time to go to school" but these days i can ignore her and stay in bed till 11 every day. but i just took up sculpture, i still go on photographic expeditions to a new place as often as i can, i just started playing fallout 4 (level 122 already) and although my health could be a lot better, at least my son thinks i'll be around for a long time. i have been incredibly lucky in lots of ways my whole life, so maybe i'm the exception, but to me life is what you make of it, the crap stuff just has to be dealt with but the enjoyable stuff needs to be appreciated, i'm an optimist. let's get to mars is what i say, i want to draw martian sand dunes.

@@HarryNicNicholas what the f are you talking about?

@@user-fy5xn1se5glet bro cook

Fashions are better in old movies as well. No slobs in gym wear 😂

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Or it's the lack of appreciation for movies that aren't progressive enough for movie-goers who wouldn't know a good movie if it fell on their heads.

Amen!

@@paulconway384 you think micheal Douglas is dressed well in this film?

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Damned right.

That scene was an amazing exchange.

it was "remember me"

@@NoNameAtAll2 Dumb thing to argue over, but no its not. "Remember me" is from pharaoh Bender.

It wasn't mentioned, but they wear exactly the same clothes and identical tie, but he's black and Bill is white. I found that to be extremely poignant.

I went through something similar four years ago, but my daughter took my side, and I came out of 17 years of marriage with a backpack full of clothes, zero dollars, and all the love I will ever need in my life. I wish you and your daughter the best!!!

I honestly don't know how to express it but sorry about that and congrats.

Karma always comes, god chooses if you get to see it

IMO that's what this film is about.

Guess you just have to endure it. Hope everything resolves to your way in a good way and that your daughter appreciates you and that you both have a great rest of your days.

The follow up question of "How'd that happen?" also ads some serious weight to the moment as well.

He's literally me......

and he realizes there is only one way out.... so he pulls a water pistol on Prendergast

He was, in fact, not the bad guy

Totally agree. That and his pained follow up line, "How did that happen?" was just haunting.

Exactly. _He tried so hard._

The complexity of a Man's Mind & Heart while trying to over the world pinned against him.

What I've figured out in my 61 years of life is you don't have to go looking for trouble, it will inevitably and or eventually come to you!

@@froufroufeatherstone6291 This movie could have been called "Try Hard"

@@snow_tacknives2024 it's come to all of us in 2024

Why wouldn't we be rooting for him?

It is true, I was!

@@trysometruth What difference does it make that it was a burger joint?

​@@chickenlover657 because he's a psychotic criminal who smashed up and threatened a small store owner because he didn't like the price of a soda? This movie didnt just age badly, if someone likes this movie and agrees with the messaging you know for a fact they have main character syndrome

@@NeonValleys You obviously don't get the movie or the main character or the situation that brought him where it did. You obviously know zero psychology. Gimmie a call when you fix all that.

This film was designed to prepare the voters to tell their Congressmen to pass the tough-on-crime bills that came out the following year. The emphasis of the film was that this man was abusive, always was, and cannot be reformed.

@@genuineappeal3458 If thats the case it blew up in their faces immensely and has become a cultural icon directly targeting their elite motives

@@genuineappeal3458 abusive? Strange he fought against racism, classism, cronyism, all in one afternoon. And he was the bad guy according to you.

every guy who worked overtime at the office and never missed a deadline no matter how many working week ends spent without family only to be fired by the company to increase the stock value one quarter can understand this.

I think a lot of people are

Too bad he’s a douche nozzle now

It was great how you related with him until you realize he's a villain.

​@@dasboom7133 But was he the villain?

Yep, same with Jeff Bridges‘ portrayal of Obadiah Stane in Iron Man… sometimes an actor really impresses on a role so much that one starts asking himself „is it even acting, or is he just having the blast of his life bringing the character to life?“

​@@klaus1085villian of the story victim of society

Yeah especially delivered with that slight pained expression as the realization sinks in. In some ways that too could have been a subtle message the film was trying to send that if you fight the system you'll become the villain even if the system itself is far from noble, fair or just.

That was the moment he noticed he was a white man.

I love when he says "I wouldn't want you in my back yard either." :)

It's hilarious. And today i love to make similar comparisons with Facebook profiles.

That's one of my favorite scenes, along with the convenience store markups.

To be honest, it doesn't matter much to me. A cheeseburger is a cheeseburger. When I would eat a burger from, say, Wendy's, I never thought about how the food should look. My only concerns were practical: whether the beef patty was properly cooked, whether the cheese had melted to the correct consistency, etc. I never had the illusion that I was dining in a Michelin-rated restaurant.

This movie holds up well. Privileged white man blames everyone but himself and the top 1% for the situation he is in and hurts everyone including his family in the process. He doesn't see himself or the 1% of elites that put him in this position as bad. ** Waits for the post to get censored **

Hahaha. Nice!

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Lol funny. He emphasized with you falling down 😂

George Carlin said the exact same thing.

He was a subversive.

​@@onesong2001😂

@@onesong2001 George Chaplain said the same thing!

He is only correct retroactively.

The ending is a case of art imitating life, though 20 years ahead of time (Tamir Rice). Wonder how the writer knew? In reality, it's America that's falling down and this movie (and Chris Hedges... and Robert Reich) saw it all coming.

​@@Max14163a lot of people saw it coming. I'm no communist but anyone who studied the mechanics of capitalism could see the system of profit and using up resources was going to end up like this.

That’s exactly how I felt 😞 hit me right there ❤️‍🩹

Felt the same. Eventually every man ages to the point he realizes the future is looking kinda bleak. "Is this it?" Movies like this remind us of that fact.

Same here. I literally teared up.

Britain has had it's own decline. We can empathise.

Can somebody do a health and wellness check on Drinker? Cause, damn, felt the same way on that sign off. He's been taking arrows and grenades for us all for a long time analyzing this nonsense being put out. But I'm glad he's there shining the light and calling out the Message.

It's an important context and no doubt the movie's theme was significantly influenced by this transition or "down-sizing" to use the euphemism of deception. Excellent to see this context mentioned. Very good film also and very good film essay here too.

The divorce aspect is even more important in modern times, as divorce itself has become a racket, whereby honest family men are utterly destroyed and their children traumatized so judges and lawyers can line their own pockets.

​@@theguybehindyou4762feminist rulz... equal minus anything real...why you never marry someone morally bankrupt...easy to spot usually

​@@theguybehindyou4762the judges and lawyers is filling their pockets is just a side effect of the way the system is set up... You will always lose You leave --> you pay They leave --> you pay

@@theguybehindyou4762 excellent point. That's why you have the MGTOW movement. It happened to my brother. He's not a drunk. He's not violent. He doesn't sleep around. Works hard to provide for his kids who he loves deeply..but the mother of 2 of his 3 daughters decided that she didn't love him anymore and that was that. SHE made HIM sleep on the couch, then moved out into some dump of a flat with damp and mould and he was left heartbroken, depressed and destroyed while she got to keep the house and the kids. It's times like that that made me see the system for exactly what it is. Men stand absolutely no chance!!

I strongly agree. The drink is best work yet.

Thank you! I came to post this. The Killing Joke. Joker wanted to show that he was everyman who had "one bad day."

No offense, but something had to go wrong with your journey. You haven’t been able to get a car at 40? Even the housing market, which hasn’t been great in a long time, didn’t really go nuts until ~2017 resulting in the catastrophe we see today. And while the prices had blown up by 2020, the interest rates were a golden ticket. Now, it’s a nightmare in both categories sadly.

You never own anything in life. That's a misconception.

I understand you dude By the way, don't worry about tje other two guys that commented here, I already reported them to KZfaq for bothering you.

​@@nighthowell'no offense" the perfect prerequisite to being offensive 😂

​@gavinpowell4607 you know the reason right?

When I saw this as a teenager I assumed it was just racism. I assumed it was a guy who was denied a loan or something for his skin colour. But no, it was just the system chewing him up and spitting him out. Probably some executive gave himself a bonus for reducing headcount. Not caring about how many lives it ruins.

If you speak out against the system at best they'll label you insane, but they might just say you're 'belligerent' and throw you in prison. It's the same way abusive parents are with their children.

The part when he makes eye contact with Michael Douglas as he's in the back of the car and is about to drive away, he says "Don't forget me". I always figured he just meant, hey remember me and my story. Which I suppose he really does. However it just dawned on me that the film is basically saying to Bill, don't forget what the system did to you! As he's basically seeing it play out again in front of his very eyes, from another perspective(he obviously sees himself in the guy who is literally dressed exactly the same as he was and is also disenfranchised). So fricking cool how deep this film actually is.

It's the lie that if you work hard one day you can apply for a loan and start your own business, but the reality is that society wants to keep its working drones.

@@paulpatterson7737 He says that to all of us.

That's fucked up, man. I'm sorry that happened to you.

God speed man

So sorry mate. What has happened to you is utter shit.

everything you wrote is absolutely believable and more common than you might think. You are a good man and you did in life what good men do. You have my deepest respect.

Sorry man, we're all heading towards no longer being economically viable

Now THAT is useful information.

Bingo. And the inevitable retaliation.

the managerial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

The current state of this is the obsessive drive for us to “return to the office”. Mind you, the same people told us in 2020 to adjust to “the new normal”, so we did, now they’re not selling office real estate and the places around are dead. I’m not going back to sitting in a car or train 10-15 hours a week. Did that for 25 years.

​@@FourOf92000more of a coup than a revolution. We the people weren't anything oppressive to revolt against.

The criminal joke is: They never could. What the elite of any society at any time want us peasants to forget is that THEY live on OUR surplus and sufferance. That whole "Consent of the Governed" issue.

Bro. Unplug and go for a walk without shoes. It’s not your fault. Don’t get bitter. Today is your first day. Now go…

..,Stuck in Traffic? Hmm, if only Adam-Something and Climate-Town had videos about this

I know. It’s crazy how relatable those couple of works are now.

Problem is WHO did you decide to obey. Japanese have a saying: spend half of your life looking for a sensei worth following...

Same here, brother. Fortunately I figured out the whole system a lie to keep the cattle placated. You should do some research on Christian apologetics. Once you realize that evolution and old-Earth theory is all complete and utter BS, it'll blow your mind. EVERYTHING we were sold was counterfeit goods. And I do mean EVERYTHING. Genesis Science Network is a great place to start.

I love both his Batman movies, but you have to understand he was also under the pressure of the studio because they wanted something more family-friendly and merchandise friendly.

The films he made immediately before ( this ) and after ( 8mm ) his Batman movies not only show he could've done dark Batman films but we're also his best films. 8mm is a masterpiece film, which even features the future Joker.

@@theunknowncommenter725That’s true. Schumacher wanted to do a dark Batman movie, but WB suits overruled him. And let’s be honest, The Dark Knight Trilogy is miles better than both of Schumacher’s combined.

@@LexingtonDeville984 The Dark Knight is the only one of those three even worth watching. They absolutely bore me to tears and there is no way to take Bale seriously in those.

​You disqualified yourself with your very first sentence

Along with Easy Rider and Cool hand Luke.

@@walterjunovich6180 And don't forget Demolition Man.

@@sargatanas91 The thing that made Demolition Man so brilliant, was that it featured a person in a place and time in which he had no business being in.

Man, I just left almost the same comment before seeing this.

Why do you think it gets worse?

Absolutely. It's the movies that get better with further viewings that I look out for.

@@siege9065 Like in Fight Club, when you finally get the twist. Not only is Tyler, Jack. So is Marla.

Hear hear

Heh, I didn't even know that was a word.

Kid bashing lol, cringe.

For me it was the protestor was being arrested. He looks at Bill and says, "Remember me." Bill nods silently and as the man is taken away, it infers that something about Bill is seen by him...because he looks terrified.

Plus if you look deeply into the movie, His wife was making bogus accusations against him. Douglas might have had a temper but he never raised his hands against his wife.

So true me too. Kills me that line.

@@NinjapowerMS Yep, and that basically ruined his life. Taking away access to his daughter left him a broken man.

@@malificajones7674 The story of way too many good fathers that were screwed by a system that still thinks mothers are important and fathers a side-note.

Great interpretation of the briefcase. It also fits nicely to the moment where he handed over those basic necessities, maybe foreshadowing that this will be his last day.

Wow! Good call thanks for sharing with us!

Whoa...that's some powerful insight you've got!😮

"The Big Apple"

Id like to add to it by saying that the irony of him giving it to a homeless person, yet the homeless person throws it away out of disappointment since he was expecting money. Symbolizing the fact that the homeless man is still stuck in "the lie".

That's how police work. They apply overwhelming forces and resources to whatever is most in the public eye at the time. Used to be if you were a moonshiner running from the cops, you'd get a fair chase. Now if you run from a cop you get 52 cars, 14 roadblocks, stop sticks, and three helicopters that cost $15,000 an hour to operate. Why? To further the illusion that cops and the system are not made of human beings who do in fact bleed and can in fact be defeated and buried

A swindling shopowner, a frauding fastfood, a lying bum, a bunch of triggerhappy gangsters, a neo-nazi, a greedy city planning Basically the only 'innocent' victim that Dfense had a hand in, was the old dude

But kids or young adults with a 10 page rap sheet are always portrayed as the nicest kid ever...

Because "evening the score" goes against the plan

Might have had something to do with Bill committing about a dozen felonies, including popping off gunshots in a crowded restaurant and being at least indirectly responsible for the deaths of two people.

A perceptive man, your father. Good on him.

If anything, wouldn’t that only serve to make you MORE miserable? What IS the point?

@@denimchicken104 The point is you get to hang out with those you love while they are around. Such as his father and him sharing a movie. The point is whatever you make it. Some people would rather just cry about how unfair life is then actually make it better for themselves. Most people actually.

@@maybeitsyou1317 sounds pretty dumb honestly

​@@denimchicken104 sounds like you got shoe size IQ

What about Joker?

American Pyscho is just meh. The other I agree

@@brianaguilar8283 You could include Joker but I'd argue his character isn't really disenfranchised because he never had a chance of being "normal" to begin with. His psychosis is well known to him and he only lies to other people about his mental stability, not himself.

Don't forget Idiocracy

@@sonicdash9652 American Psycho and Fight Club use the same story structure of "it was all pointless". The only difference being in the tangible results of the characters' actions.

That was one of the things I loved about Steve McQueen's "Bullit". I used to live in San Francisco, and all during the chase through the city he is exactly where he should be everytime he makes a turn...

I've traveled and seen quite a few places where films were made and it's bonkers how wrong everything is. Like the movie Friday with Ice Cube. Ms parkers house was 2 streets over. The road that smokey, big worm, and the cholesterol spoke? Not even the road infront of Craig's house. 😂

Agree, as a lifelong Angelino this movie got LA right in terms of geography, feeling and look.

If you like LA geography got to watch Chinatown with Jack Nicholson. Seeing places like MacArthur park in a historic context is a trip and it makes you appreciate all the old LA architecture.

@@Hexadeci The biggest thing Chinatown misses, through no fault of their own, is that the movie takes place in the '30s. The Chinatown depicted should be Old Chinatown in the area around Union Station. Unfortunately, the whole area was demolished by the mid-'40s.

F'king hell mate, sincerest condolences, that's a horrible dystopian story

Truly sorry your brother is gone, my friend. Prayers for you, yours, and his. Godspeed.

Absolute fucking clown world, Jesus Christ.

Fuck this modern age. I'm so sorry.

Ii think I read the story of your brother. I'm sorry for your families loss. What they do to men now a days is a total injustice.

It really is incredible to consider how bad things were even before social media and smart phones.

People not trusting the media is an improvement. They've been lying to us for a very long time. Anyone with even a basic understanding of American history is aware that yellow journalism is largely responsible for at least one war, specifically the Spanish-American War.

I mean, every time the whole "Government gots to have more power because misinformation on social media is so dangerous" line gets brought up, my first thought is literally "A hundred years ago nobody would take the word of a stranger over what's written in a newspaper, so doesn't that mean it's legacy media who screwed the pooch?" I mean, they had everyone's trust, journalist was a respected job, and they blew it. They blew it SO hard.

@@qcriverrat Yeah, it's all been lost in a haze of pop nostalgia, but people either don't know, or have forgotten what a real dark edge a lot of American culture in the 1990s had. A post-Cold War world after decades of being gaslit by various institutions and factions that some maniac with his finger on the trigger would wipe out the entire human race in a nuclear holocaust, followed by an existential and identity crisis bathed in cynicism, passive-aggressive sarcasm, and ironic self-detachment that didn't really start to resolve itself until the decade was nearly over.

The decade started in a recession. Pensions were entirely deleted by then (started in the 80s). Tech savvy were finding BBS and Usenet that were showing them the "conspiracy nuts" weren't that far off. We just had a war and were now occupying land. Oh, and terrorism had touched us. Most of what you think wasn't there, was just starting to bubble just beneath the surface. Jungle love and "politically correct" was all en-vogue.

It's not "one bad day", it's more "you can break anyone with the right pressure on the right spot. " It's more universal than people make it out to be.

It's about misplaced aggression. He was used and discarded and his child cut off by his wife. I can't feel sorry for tradcons like this anymore after years of warning about hypergammy and his blameshifting onto the "Left and wokeness".

You may not be old enough to remember the trailers for this film before it was released in theaters. It basically portrayed a working class white guy unable to simply get home to his kid for her birthday because every Ahole in LA was in his way. _And he wasn't going to take it anymore!_ Either the director or the studio was punking us all into going to see "revenge of the law abiding white guy." It turned out the movie was about his fractured mental state and breakdown. They didn't show that part in the trailers.

@@user-sm3th7ow5w They can't have people thinking it could happen to anyone

The Game is also a great performance by him.

I never heard a "go away now", said like that before by the Drinker.

How do we have fix the America Society if we have good leader or agency against them?

I was thinking the exact same thing. Usually he utters that line as an ironic send-off. Keeping "in character" as a curmudgeon. But this time I heard nothing but weary sincerity and a "too damn tired of it all to sustain the fury" kind of anger. And that, more than anything else, is very telling. I think we all know EXACTLY what that feels like now.

I heard it as a defeated sadness... but that's me

I felt it too. The drinker is a great and insightful man indeed.

Brilliant.

We are lions in a cage. The cage is rattled and we roar or we don’t notice because we have given up. The door is opened and the wild side is let out for most.

The society we live in relatively free of violence and the lack of fear of even feeding your family is a blip in history. History shows us that the world is violent and hard. We are currently reverting to the mean.

There is an old saying: "Most men live lives of quiet desperation"

@@elLooto Henry David Thoreau, Walden. Good quote.

Oh we are on the edge more than ever right now....

It’s Carlin, no g on the end

I felt that to. It hit deep.

I hit the like button and had actually started to scroll but went back when I realized that I almost cheated myself out of the "Go away now" expecting to hear some variation of the "standard" version, but..

This movie only got made to the big screen cinema because of its star Michael Douglas, it was going to be a direct-to-cable TV movie. Plus, it was filmed just before during, and just after the L. A Rodney King Riots. Awesome movie, a modern-day Shakespeare play. We need this remade for today. As thus, thou American dream was everyone else's nightmare. Now those said bad dreams since 9/11 have become our bad dreams and an ascent into darkness for us all as well. :/

I remember watching this movie way back then and I remember him working for the defense for 30 years and after 30 years it was gonna cut and loose that's what started him to purge on what he was fed up with , And the thing is before you work for the government you have to have some sort of psychological exam in order to work for them , He left his job on a mental breakdown .

nah it was pretty vapid.

Nah. It represented his attachment to, and faith in, the system.

Or maybe just his last shred of “normal”.

@@micahrehn6273 Maybe that too.

@@simonolsen9995 That could be an interpretation as well.

he "was not economically viable!"

My moment was a few months ago walking out of a Costco. At the front was a guy my age (younger millenial) trying to sell something related to houses. He looks at my girl and I and says "You two look like a pair of young new homeowners!" I laughed and simply replied by saying "NOPE" and shaking my head. He laughed too and said "Same here, brother." What else are we to do but laugh?

I never could understand why he was arrested.

Like the bit where Alex Jones gets black bagged in scanner darkly

​​@@richwightman3044because he was protesting... Sorry, I meant being a "public nuisance" and "disturbing the peace"

I’ve noticed that many famous quotes, upon researching it, have even a better second line like -god is dead - and then the second line - and we killed him.

Seems like a story about a guy who helped to build a society but that very "society"he helped to build eventually turns against him and for no good reason other than peer based idiocy and marketing analysis.

It was the premise of the entire movie in 2 sentences: How does an average man become a bad guy?

And I'm most partial to the third line "I did everything they told me to"

"How'd that happen?" .. Super easy.. ALL plebs get pushed around, you can only push a person just so far before they break and push back _(standing up for yourself)._ Push-back is then viewed as Anger Anger is instantly renamed Aggression Aggression is immediately called Violence "Violence" nomenclature is intended to justify a Disproportionate Response _(physical attack)_ to your original complaint Disproportionate Response escalates your verbal push-back to an instinctual Survival Response to the unexpected "Disproportionate Response" Natural Survival Response is then redefined as Resisting Arrest Voila! You're now a Violent Criminal and being held down until ya suffocate _(or just shot)_ to death; your original complaint is then forever ignored. Out of nearly 3/4s of a million laws and regulations criminally enforceable, *_someone_* is bound to make at least *_one_* posthumous accusation stick well enough for the Media..

God, I miss the 90s.

What was your Psych Teacher’s thoughts of this movie?

@@toh6261 Nowadays they’d force you to write an essay about White Rage!

​@@DeflatingAtheism or how does the lack of inclusion make you feel?

Dont care We know we run things. Yall squabbling for 2nd place. ​@poeticsilence047

Indeed

"Don't forget me" guy is a lot of us. I had to work with senior citizens relying on Social Security and Medicare and they're him. Can't work anymore? We'll give you a fraction of the money you need and wish you good luck old chap.

Yea that it is real moment in the film, true!

you dont want to be forgotten

That line hit me so hard. I, for one, certainly did not forget him.

I love that part. They connect with each other without a word. By the time he says that, they were already brothers.

They're both in the same boat. They are both middle class white collar workers, educated, probably college graduates, who have become "surplus to requirements" and therefore "not economically viable." So they end up on the street. Probably their jobs still exist, but are now done by somebody in Mexico or Hyderabad in India. Their bosses do it because they CAN. A few years ago, here in France, where I live, Goodyear, the American tyre company, had a factory which they wanted to shut. I think they wanted to relocate to Eastern Europe, because of cost. The factory was efficient and productive, but being France, it was strongly unionised, and workers were well paid, with good benefits etc. When the workers found out about management's plans, they shut themselves inside the factory and took the factory bosses hostage. They looked after them well, feeding them etc, but they wouldn't let them go. There was a stand off. Finally, Goodyear management was forced to come to the negotiation table, and the factory stayed open. Jobs were saved. That's how it's done. Unfortunately, since the Reagan era, American workers have given up the rights that their fathers and grandfathers fought so hard for. Hence all the Bill Fosters of America.

@@AndriyValdensius-wi8gw American unions often have bad reputations because far too often they happen to be run by unscrupulous groups who use said unions to browbeat and steal a portion of the wages of the "union members" while doing little to actually help the average worker. The worst ones were the ones controlled by the mob, where the union really was just a legal method of extortion. So it often ends up being a double whammy of incompetence or outright malice under the guise of being "for workers rights" that most Americans would rather not have unions that be taken for a ride.

Yes, that is such a powerful scene I think. The way the guy sees him and says, "Don't forget me." In such a poignant way, followed by the nod as D-Fens acknowledges him gets me every time. Nobody wants to be forgotten.

@mrbigglezworth42 So I've heard. Jimmy Hoffa and the Teamsters, etc. It's unfortunate that there is such corruption. Once the mob / Mafia gets involved it all goes to hell. The principle of unions is good and very valuable. At times they were essential for fighting for workers' rights. But if the union itself becomes too powerful and / or corrupt, then the cure might be worse than the disease. All I can say is that a union should belong to its members, and the members should have a system of electing their representatives democratically. People who will genuinely work in their members' interests, rather than help launder the proceeds of crime.

I’m “black” lol stop it you white 😂

This could prove to be quite an expensive night of drinking. :) Nice comment, well written. 👍

I agree with all you said except “the tide will turn one day.” The pattern has remained for as long as history has been recorded that the next generation of kids will be worse in every way than the last. And its exactly how it always plays out because parents suck. They never seem to want a child to grow up to be their own person. Maybe you’re right and if you are, big ups on your optimism, but I’ve seen plenty to tattoo the idea in my mind that people don’t deserve what we’ve been given, but since we will eventually kill our own kind and self destruct our own species right out of existence, whatever we have been given and taken advantage of will end up benefitting whomever comes next.

Cringe comment

Are you ECONOMICALLY VIABLE!?

No you're wrong That's not how it was marketed when it was released I know I was there I saw it in the theater.

I always saw it as the latter.

@@GrandCrusader That is not what I meant. I meant the attitudes people had towards the film that Drinker outlined. I found it interesting how such attitudes changed with time.

I saw it as a man broken by the system he was trapped in.

and thsoe that still holds on to the lie or doubble down on it are even more hostile to this movie

I never stopped to notice that detail before. Thanks for pointing it out!

Totally agree the script was amazing. New films lack strong scrips

That happens in Macbeth, too

I'll keep that in mind once i gave my 2nd watch, thank you!

It's not just the half way point of the movie, it's also after his first murder. He is no longer just a man defending himself, now he can never go back.

You're not a coward...

Listen, I did 4 tours overseas in the Corps, 2 in Iraq. You are not a coward.

Bro…you’re a social hero. Personal sacrifice for family is what everything hinges on. We all got here by generations of sacrifice. They all felt the same way. You’re doing them all proud.

You always have a choice to do something else. It's your decision not choose to work as slave but something else what you like and what gives value to the world. Also what you do shows always a pattern to your kids. So if you stay in slave work, there is a high chance they will do the same.

You’re not a coward, you know it’s not the right way to deal with things, it makes you strong that you do what you need to do for your family, that’s a strong man in my eyes & a family man, don’t ever feel weak for providing for your family, don’t ever think that. Sacrificing your own time & even your happiness for your family’s wellbeing and growth is what makes you a good man & don’t let society make you feel any less of a man or provider, as men we do what we must and do what we can & expect nothing in return and no recognition, sometimes that’s hard to cope with but just know every other man on this planet especially fathers will never see you as a coward but a hero.

It is still like that in LA. LA has changed in some ways, but it is still the pit of artificiality that hollywood (hollyweird) is built upon

Did you leave?

@aliciabell6688 I've been living in Thailand since 2013 where most people are very approachable, friendly and often complimentary even with their limited English speaking ability.

Today, America Is A Complete Sht Hole... You Were Right To Have Left, I Would Of Loved To Have Left In 2016, Heck Even Jan 1st 2020... But The System Just Hates You Enough That You Can't Get Out If Your Not Born With Money... I Had Just Started Turning My Life Around In Late 2019, & In Jan 1st 2020 Was When All This BS Started Happening, :( The Thing Is This: America Isn't The Problem, It's Not, The Problem Is Politics... And No Politician Is Willing To Admit This, Not Even Today As America Is Ripped Apart Into Pieces, Politicians Are Still Refusing To Admit That Politicians Are The Problem, ~_~ They Bicker Over How We Will Live Through Our Future, & We Are Sitting Here, Like Thinking That We Have The Most Rediculously Stupid Dum Shts Running For Office, ~_~ 1.) We Need Someone To Run America, We Need Someone, Because America Can't Run It's Self, People Are Too Stupid... ~_~ 2.) We Need Law & Order Handling America, Police, Because People Are Again Too Stupid, & Consealed Carry Is Driving People Into FEAR, Causing People To Want Guns For Bad Reasons, Not Because They Enjoy Them, & I Don't Like That, ~_~ 3.) 70% Of America Want Someone Younger, With Newer Fresher Ideas, & A Younger Mindset To Run For Office, Yet Neither One Of These Crazy Politicians Are Willing To Give Up Their Political Stance In American Politics Today, & Their Conflict Is Killing America, Not Them, It's Just The Conflict Between Them That Is Killing America... 70% Of People Don't Wanna Vote At All, & Because Of How Crazy Things Are Getting, Someone Is Gonna End Up Being Voted For, & It's Gonna Be The Guy Who Wants To Send America Right Back Into Where This Movie Took Place, Falling Down, Basically "Trump"... But If We Vote For The Other Guy "Biden", He's Letting Satanizm, Cults, & Death, & Bloodshed Ramp Down Our Streets, & Destroy Everything, Which Is Far Worst Then What We Would End Up With If We Voted For "Trump", ~_~ Somehow The Freedom People Of America, Decided They Didn't Like Human Life Anymore, & We All Started Turning Our Attention To The People Of Republicans, Like "Trump"... Con Man, Lies, Whatever You Call It Today "Trump"?? There Is No Way, I'm Funding Someone "Biden Nomic Supporters" To Spill Blood In The Streets Of America, & Think That Is How We Build Better Countries, Especially For Stupid Reasons, ~_~ Soooo, At The End Of The Day?? Even Though 70% Of America Doesn't Wanna Vote, Someone Is Gonna Vote, & People Are Suspecting Trump Will Win The Election, Simply Because Joe Biden Is Turning America Into A Sespool Of Disgust, & Death, & Joe Biden Is Even Attacking His Own Supporters Now... Mind You, The Very Guy "Joe Biden" Was The Only One Who Ever Mentioned, & Admitted That America Had Issues Like Racism, & ECO System, & Society Issues When He First Came Into Office... It's Just Too Bad His Solution Was Just To Have The World Exterminated, & He Would Laugh As Peopled Died, & That Joe Biden Wasn't The Answer We Needed To Solve, Fix, & Deal With These Issues, ~_~ You Living Around People Who Care, Treat You Better?? America Was Great Until 2020 Kinda, That Is When America Fell Apart Really... Good Thing You Don't Live In America Anymore, ~_~

@@mikechonburi7976 hi from Chiang Rai 👋

Strangely, I just watched a really good deep dive into Basic Instinct. Seems like I'm in a Michael Douglas Vortex today.

His dad's favourite role was in Lonely Are The Brave.

Completely agree!

I would have thought it was basic instinct, who wouldn't want to be naked with a young Sharon stone, ? Lol

But then again they would have to make something original for that to happen. It's like we're stuck in a time loop where they keep making the same thing over and over again because they can't get it right, or just simply lack creativity and are in their positions because of nepotism.

I hope you found someone better. She sounded like a bitter lemon dead weight.

You’re better off without her

That's because men submit themselves to this drudgery for their wives & kids, and women get uncomfortable when that reality is laid bare.

Some people could never truly understand this movie.

Its impossible for women to conect with this movie, because women are loved for being women. Men are the only thing in society loved by condition.

Line would've been better: "They don't want us to know... but it's a lot."

And they are over his heart…….

That's a good observation about the pens, thanks for pointing it out. Makes me wonder what other details I've missed out on. What about the hole in his shoe? What do you think that represents? EDIT: I'm going to take a stab at answering my own question and say it means the bottom has fallen out.

@@rrice1705 shoe= not quite. Its the sole of his shoe. His soul. has a hole. missing his family, his daughter, his "normal" life... This is something that is hard for normies to get, but once you've been through an ugly divorce, been deployed overseas and seen how much opulence we have here in USA... and he was losing all of it. This is my interpretation of it. It is just one more step in his downfall.

It occurred to me that he has 3 pens and "not economically viable" guy only had one. Seemed to me like it was a suggestion of military rank, like he'd put up with this shit for years, and the other guy was just getting started. Or maybe they only had 4 pens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And how might I ask does it feel looking back now? I'm 36 today, feel the world is going to sh*t. Trying my best though.

​@@alexanderpetrenko539Never give up trying to be a good person.

@@alexanderpetrenko539 I am sixty now and its felt like the world has been going to shhh..you know what many times in my lifetime but it always gets better.

@@stephennenadov6709 How is it a good person that works as a slave in this society? Were slaves good people for following their masters authority? Stop telling people to be good and start asking capitalism to be good to people.

@@alexanderpetrenko539 I'm 53 and have known no politician that has run this country who wasn't a scumbag other than Jimmy Carter, who said his best accomplishment was that he started no wars.

That's how most straight white dudes feel these days

He definitely was a bad guy

*RIP Frederic Forest* His (Army Surplus Store owner)character in this movie,said nothing wrong

@@LordofDaggerfall To be fair I don't FEEL that way despite being told constantly by morons that I SHOULD feel that way.

​@@chalkandcheese1868 No he's a guy that made bad decisions. Prisons are full of guys who made bad decisions, reality is rarely so black and white.

Yeah it was also a polar mirror opposite of D-Fens, it was brilliant how he was dressed the same too, and told D-Fens to remember him. It was a surrealistic moment, but basically that was the branching bifurcation moment for Bill, where he would either be carted away for standing his ground, or fall down standing his ground. He chose to fall on his own terms.

“Don’t forget me now.” And D-fens won’t.

It always reminds me of that twilight zone episode with Burges Meredith, "I am not obsolete, I am a man!'

The other side of this scene is that they are dressed similarly, the white guy outside of the bank walking away and ignoring the black man with the sign is also dressed similarly. It's a scene that shows skin colour doesn't matter and that we are all just automatons set on a path of life by other peoples expectations. The major difference between the three men is that the black guy has found out the lie and is raging against it in a futile attempt to wake people up, Michael Douglas is just beginning to wake up to the reality and the anonymous guy outside the bank...he's still suffering through the delusion and believing the divisions and lies fed to us by the mainstream media. This is why the police arrest the protestor, the powers that be can't have him triggering critical thought among the general populace or the whole system will start falling down.

@@Billy-bc8pk I also love that the two men are essentially identical despite notably being a black man and a white man. The way in which they have been crushed transcends any race or identity politics, it's a symptom of the state system they bought into.

For unknown reasons, Bill allowed his anger to lead him to insanity. As the Duvall character says to Bill, “Is that what this is about? They lie to everybody. “ Real men understand that. They recognize that the world owes them nothing. They make a difference one encounter at a time without violence. Duvall is the hero.

@@miguelservetus9534And yet Duvall kills the hero of the movie. That seemed violent to me…

@@marianmoses9604 Bill pulled first. Prendergast had no way to know it was a water gun and suicide by cop.

@@miguelservetus9534That’s easy to say if you still are allowed to see your children. Sometimes people’s children are the only reason people feel life is worth living for besides all the violence he used was in self defense

@@StMichael7 Notice that the movie does not explain why he is not allowed the access to his daughter. We are informed that he is delusional, heading to work when he is unemployed. Clearly he was mentally deranged. Courts, as a general rule, want both parents involved. Nowhere in the movie does it suggest that the ex wife did him wrong. Let’s assume she did, and got a PDA restricting his access. A sane man goes about behaving to convince the court he is safe with his child. Courts do not reverse decisions when you break their rules. We note that he drew on Predegrast. So all his violence is not in self defense. And the scene with the grocer was not justified. It is not how normal people behave.

A little easier to see when you aren't mired in it. I'll bet a lot of people around the world think we are morons.

Sadlly the world we live in today is the same, only magnafied times ten.

​@@dustman96 Sure, while succinctly American, the overarching idea rings true for most Western countries. United States' issues are not exclusive to the United States.

I fear Europe is in a far worse condition demographically especially.

The UK is in the exact same situation. In fact, the west is dying and has been for a very long time.

Although afaik that's missing the point, at least according to the director and the lead actor. Both of which iirc said that they wanted the main character to be relatable to some extent, but not glorified.

"more poignant ......today than ever". It will become more relevant because it's true. 1993 was a relatively early stage in the unwinding of American society. During the interim period, the process has gone much further. The United States 🇺🇸 is based on what James Burke called Social Darwinism. The devil take the hindmost. The survival of the fittest, for which read richest. Corporations have no responsibility for their workers and can hire and fire at will. Bill Foster is a victim of the system. His skill set, whatever it was, became superfluous, or else his corporate employer could replace him with cheaper outsourced workers. Skilled technical workers can be hired at one tenth the price of an American worker in India ir elsewhere. That's why I'm a socialist, or at least a Social Democrat. A government must have some RESPONSIBILITY for the welfare of its people, and legislate for employers to treat their people responsibly. America doesn't do that.

Holy crap same story for me. I knew the dude wasnt guilt free, but a victim of the changing world, which was changing for the worst. And of course, the virtue signaling critics of the day were critical of it.

It's also good foreshadowing too, considering what happens to Douglas!

Don't forget about occupy wall Street

Phew... You're not kidding. The entire movie is riddled with such intense, emotion evoking scenes but that one always stood out to me. It's such a pivotal point in the movie too. It's almost like D-FENS is finally moving past that point in his life and moving on toward his inevitable end but the kindly stranger reminds him, "Don't forget me." almost as to remind him that he _is_ a good person and what his actions were motivated by. Sometimes, it's all just too much..

I doubt you even saw it in the theater, there sure are a lot of liars in the comments. Pretending they have some deep insightful connection to this movie, suddenly now that this review is out lol

@@BudFuddlacker @BudFuddlacker Dude, you're late! Where the _fuck_ have you been!? You were supposed to show up with the "You never even saw it, blah blah blah, ambiguous bullshit, followed by your generations call sign, the 'lol' " comment right after the _first_ comment, not the third you dunce! I'm paying you good money to not suck at trolling but _this_ is all you can come up with!? You're fired. At least you don't have to worry about paying rent at your parents house.

Did you know that in the 19-teens there was an oil spill in LA that wasn’t stopped for years on end. There’s tons of oil wells hidden inside big buildings Some of them adjacent to residences

@@fastinradfordable Yeah, oil is another dying industry in Los Angeles. I don't see it last much longer, especially with the new regulations on offshore drilling.

Great edifying comment!

I appreciate this breakdown so much. Born 1997 so I need this kind of context that isn’t often talked about

My mom and dad worked at McDonnell Douglas, all their friends did too. We lived in Santa Monica near it, and nearly every homeowner in the area worked there. I remember. They were all skilled, educated and living the dream, growing families under the hot overcast Santa Monica skies.

Pos movie that wants to make white males look bad

It's one of those movies you understand more as you get older.

Falling Down hot takes. 20s: This man is crazy!!!! 40s: I understand him.

It's an anti white film

@@AKeyearea8 It's not