^ This

A pig took out King Robert. An infection took out Khal Drogo. Meanwhile, the entire Army of the Dead takes out no high-ranking characters at all.

THANK YOU! this is what i try to explain to my friends who are for random reason so scared to criticise the show like its gonna affect their enjoyment of it. This was supposed to be one of the most exciting and highly anticipated episodes in tv bloody history, atleast for me, and all it was a pile of never-ending dissapointment. The battle against the Night King and the army of the undead, and non even one major character dead, not even one. crazy what this show has become due to casual fan service.

@@alimalek559 Exactly, people are in concrete mindset now everything that comes out of GOT Gold standard, in way everything is gold standard, set/CGI/costume EXCEPT Writing has been full of shit since GRRM left

no

+1 HAHA, why isn't this the top comment? :)

But Gendry did!

Jim Myers lmao

People complaining have been watching some other show it seems, it's not like Arya hasn't been training for years… .. .

But Bran did that dudes just wierd.

Not even the fact the Cav could see, you dont charge light cavalry head on into any force. They should be used for flanking maneuvers.

Yeah when they showed the initial battle plans in episode 2 all I could think of was that the Dothraki were gonna get slaughtered and the Unsullied were gonna get destroyed as soon as the flanks of inferior quality troops retreated. I don't even know why they thought a pitched battle was a good idea. If they let the Night King assault the walls they would have had a better shot with full strength Unsullied infantry guarding them. They could of also used the Dothraki as a flanking/harassing force once the Wights began to attack the walls. And multiple layers of flaming spike pits would have immensly slowed down the Wights and allowed archers and the dragons to destroy large portions of the Night Kings army. Robb Stark would have kicked the Night Kings ass if he was still around.

Never send in cavalry without infantry support, against an unknown enemy force in complete darkness. Without support their slaughter was inevitable. Unsullied should have been stationed behind the barriers. One dragon doing napalm runs on the dead whilst they were delayed behind the barriers. The other providing overwatch. The trebuchets firing round the clock whilst this was happening also.

Bro, if they had put us Tota War nerds in charge of defense, the zombies would not have breached that castle, and we prob wouldn't have lost more than half our defending army.

Perfect battle plan

"Nono, you put the barrier IN FRONT of everyone, not behind you. And trebuchets are no meelee weapons." "Thank you for your Supreme wisdom, Mr. Tyrion." "And tell Theon and his men to bring meelee weapons. Looks cool to have some ranged combat after seeing meelee but it just makes no sense to not pack a sword."

He was on the planning committee, the scene was only a week or two ago..

Tywin Lannister, Rob Stark... all the men with a head for warfare and combat are dead. The rest of them run around like headless chickens, then charged haphazardly into death. Lol. Fucking clowns.

Tyrion must not have been on set at all either cause he might have seen some of this garbage writing and been able to stop it

That is what happens, when you let women order you around :) ... shit, they DID let women order them around.

Yeah. Good god.

@БДЯЄTH *Midway through Season 5. It was still great up until that, when Stannis and Jon teamed up, then you had 20 good men, Shireen being killed, Stannis' battle with Winterfell, that's when it all started to fall apart.

so so so bad. i wanted to stop watching several seasons ago but I'm to committed. I hate to be that person, but, the books are so much better, that fat f*cker needs to release the rest of the book. That last episode was shit

@Mad Max Rockatansky Everyone seems to have amnesia surrounding this. The white walkers won multiple battles and they won this one too. They completely stormed the castle, decimated all of the armies, at the end of it when the NK thought he won a master assassin who grew up in Winterfell killed him. They weren't stopped on the first resistance, what would have been terrible would be if the battle went Jon and Danny's way at all. It didn't, the only winner in that ep was Arya. There wasn't a shred of hope throughout that entire episode.

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Yeah no. It was done like that purposefully. It’s to accentuate death slowly closing in.

To me, it put the viewer into the scene, feeling the same confusion and "fog of war" that the characters were feeling. Well done.

There is no such thing as a "lightning supervisor". Every person in charge of lightning is part of the cinematography department, and if any bad ligthning decisions were made, they would be blamed on the DP (Director of Photography). The whole darkness thing was most likely made at the color grading stage, though. And yes, as others point out, it was probably deliberate.

Clearly a budget choice to save on makeup and whatnot to hide all the shortcuts.

@@LesPaul2006 Lighting.

Lmao the ending was perfect and if you want i can five you some arguments for that. What you are talking about is plot armour for the NK...also the NK was first seen in s4 ep4....also the NK got killed in the north 8000 years ago by ONE person which was led by the god of light like arya in this case.....

@@zydo686 This is absolute garbage. Also writers confirmed it they wanted Arya to kill him since season 7 cuz muh suprise! I bet you watch Fast and Furious and you call it cinematography :D

@@monsterboomer8051 That is just wrong. They knew that Ayra is going to kill him since more then 3 years. Jon fighting against the night king and winning the battle would be better writting ? No got is all about unpredictable moments and not jon killing him because it has been teased since 5 years.

@@zydo686 you know what I mean, we see the White Walkers in episode 1. You know damn well that Dumb and Dumber who took over the show have no idea what they are doing with the story.

​@@EyeBelieveSo You know that they have talked to GRRM a lot about the ending and that they would stick to his? If it would be publicly said that GRRM and the showrunners worked hand in hand on this season and this was his ending there would be like no hate at all even though it would be the same.

He made the classic mistake of attacking too many protagonists

Last hearth. winterfell was the 2nd

Opus he underestimated teleport moves

Well he never had a plan apparently because Danny had to give him a dragon to move the plot to capture a wight that ended up doing literally nothing. 10/10 writing

xD

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Yes endgame where only 2 people die

Better than Game of Cringe

@@mikaelmilnikov lol game of cringe? Take a look at that scene in endgame where they did that all female charge horribly. I am not sexist at all but they could've handled that so much better, took me out of them movie and almost made me cringe.

Hahahaha

The continuity of the battle was pretty bad... they decimated like 20,000 men in a few mins then were brought to a halt by a handful of the main cast... And how many times was sam wrestling with zombies he was surrounded by? At least twice lol

@@zao9256 Yea they had the wrong battle first.

Zao Exactly, Bran can see every move Cersei makes, and Arya can infiltrate anywhere, like what’s the big deal at this point?

Wow I just posted that an hour or two ago

Yeah, the "I'm lying on the floor, this is it, they swing the sword, and someone saves me from behind" used like 10 times, so baaad, you can tell George RR Martin isn't working with them anymore.

A Giraffe that would have been dope. I also thought that Jon should’ve been fire blasted only to survive because he’s a targarian

Just admit you both wanted to see Jon's pp

Thank you. Why did it have to be this bad? The things you mentioned wouldn't have made it a greater cost.

Now this I want to see.

This didn’t happen because that’s just to corny and original. All the deaths would have been good but the other bits would have just been like every other movie that has big battles

Dorne plot begs to differ

my jaw dropped when they did that.

It was an equivalent of a small fart that you’ve been holding for 2 hours.

Southpark is one of the smartest shows on TV ... it is so underrated.

They’ve already made their game of thrones episodes. Doubt they will touch it again

Vinny they cant anyway they like to do current things when they start making episodes again this wont be cutrent

Open the gates!!

George is going to be pissed there wasn't any weiners

Marc Insinga hahaha yes love it!

@@ChrisDynamo It means nowhere. You just put it in there to make it more entertaining

Marc Insinga the light came from the moon

that's the most brilliant answer XD

That's epic

No, he said Arya wasn't a Mary Sue, which is bullshit. I've counted it, Arya has been training (different arts as well) for maybe just over a year. I'm a very talented martial artist with a lot of will, but in both Judo and Muay Thai it took me well over a year to get my basics to a solid level. In short, Arya is a Mary Sue. Apparently sneaking is one of the most difficult skills for mankind to learn, and she did it in a few months like that, ON TOP of beating one of the best warriors in the Seven Kingdoms with a butter knife? Bull-shit!

Apparently you haven't heard of MauLer.

@Tim Hanselbach Oh yes, the grappling/striking combination is not only fun, but extremely practical as well. I've done BJJ to supplement my Judo ground game as well, but ironically I didn't find it worth mentioning because I've only done it for a year and never competitively. That realization just made me laugh out loud. I instinctively don't even count a year worth of training to be anything game-changing, yet that's all Arya ever had.

@@TheStraightestWhitest talented being the operative word here. "Trust me guys, im a black belt" How about no.

@Harry Cooper if thats the case, its a major asspull

proggen4fun let’s not have oil surronding the battlefield we don’t need light

Let's charge them into complete darkness with light sticks so the enemy can see where they are. That was very considerate of them to give the Night King and his undead horde an advantage.

We have high walls, let's put our infantry outside, our artillery in front of them, and have the calvary go out unsupported.

@@seanmccurdy80 I KNOW!!! What were they thinking! I think the writers have done about zero research into military tactics, The Battle of the Bastards was fun but completely ridiculous as well.

My friends were tripping out cause I was getting pissed at the battle plan. The calv sally out was just dumb. The siege out in front of the infantry who was the military genius in this fight?

@@esar71 Bastards had a plan... it was good... it got thrown out.

@@BigMikey1776 Apparently Lyanna Mormont, a 10 year old, Brienne, a warrior with no commanding capability and Jorah, a warrior with no commanding capability were the ones who were commanding everyone.

Got me as well. Lmao!

Watching Endgame

This is what happens when you take the writing out of the hands of the real writer, GeorgeRRMartin..

You all do realize that he's a cripple and can't fight in the fucking battle right?

Bran knew what was going to happen and just sat there as bait. He didn't look worried or anything because he knew Arya was going to finish him

Lol very good

They killed it a long time ago

Haha nice copy pasted comment

@El Padre con Verga Larga theon is at the lowest of a main character id even consider him a secondary character comparing him to dany jon cercei tyrion you know

LOTR, now there's a siege done right. GoT should have taken notes..

Amazing comment

"The dwarf from LOTR"

"The Dwarf"...??? Gimli you mean...

I thought same thing.

@Hrithik Ravi 😂

What was he doing? He literally just flew around with some crows, he did nothing for the whole episode.

He was watching the final battle in Endgame

Best comment ever

nah he was watching family guy

Must be climate change

Lmao so pathetic, glad I stopped watching when the sand snakes came out. Immediately realized the show was just becoming the usual Hollywood drivel full of cliches like the walking dead

One episode that took 55 nights, 15 million dollars, 750 extras.

It wasn't "one episode". It was 90 minutes, so basically two.

Yep literally been hyping winter and the white walkers since the first ever scene of Game of thrones. I legitimately can not express how disappointed I am with what the show has become, and especially this episode. To think the directors were comparing it to the battle of helms deep. What a fucking joke.

Sami Raman winter isn’t over. The night king is

@@River18223 did you see that kings landing is now a desert? When Jaime was leaving it was starting to snow

But but... He united the armies.

Sad but true

He is the heir to the throne

I think everyone would have appreciated it if the NK made it to Kings Landing, but I guess that would have been over-budget. Fans got shafted...

Thankfully the books will be much better than this shit show.

Actually I think the night king had to die In winterfell.....with his possible relation to the starks and all. They could have been more poetic about it. The insta kill was rather anti climatic.

YEahhh bran should have held the night king up in some kind of psychic standoff or something and froze the army somehow

Leonardo Datore Cersei was right then lol

yeah writers dont have the mental capacity to progress this story properly, atleast it makes us realize how much of a genius george is to make all this seem so believable.

George IS still working with them. He is a producer, and often gives them advice, not a lot, but some. George told them how the story ends years ago. So what happens here, will most likely happen in the books, if they even get finished.

@@GreenFalcon926 exactly, in an interview that he made a few weeks ago he even came out telling that the books Will have just slight changes, so what's the point in Reading them? It's a mediocre series with some good points in it and now it probably won't even see an end. The autor is already Rolling in cash and has shown many times that he's lazy and doesn't give a fuck about his readers after he made the contract for the tv show. Sad person really, talented but lazy...i'll give him credit tho, windhaven was enjoyable and pretty innovative.

@@GreenFalcon926 being a producer doesnt mean he decides what happens with the characters in the show he has no control or end word I think since season 6. www.quora.com/Is-George-RR-Martin-or-the-TV-writers-deciding-what-happens-in-Game-of-Thrones-Season-6

They go so fast some decision are taken on a rush and therefore clearly shows the lack of development of each story.

And strategic errors. Dragons trump all else. Use one to destroy the wights and when the dragon-wight steps in, bring in the 2nd dragon. Air superiority. Firepower superiority. Until the dragons have it out, there's little point in humans fighting on the ground, other than to look out for dragon-killing weapons.

Thats what i hated as we'll was the statistical problem

_'i got that refference'_

The major mistake from the get go was defending Winterfell itself, defending yourself on open plain is horrible there is no terrain to use and you can get easily flanked from all sides. Then on top of that the army she worked so hard to build up and get across the sea died in a matter of seconds. The whole thing was horrible and my final pet peeve is the build up of the Night King as this all powerful evil and then gone just like that made no sense to me.

Look at this scenario. You all hide behind walls and dig in and Night King stands there until morning while you are all deep frozen. The end

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Legends say that only Arya Stark can kill Chuck Norris.

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It's been established that she is a master at sneaking

I didnt like that at all. It was dumb.

@@Night-rage While I understand that and love it, her screaming as she flies through the air eliminates that entire aspect of being a sneaky assassin, lol.

@@byronsmith3152 good point

@@Night-rage Establish It all you want, that shit takes years to master. I've counted it, she's been training for barely over a year, and about six months of that was just blindly living on the streets. And don't tell me that strengthens someone because it doesn't. It detracts from training she already had, a setback.

They defeated the embodiment of death and his entire legion of undead warriors, now they can face the true threat! A drunk middle aged single mum w an incest baby. *Stolen Comment*

@Leman Russ 3 episodes left, and all the cunning charecters dead. There's no politics or plots anymore, just the final battle.

Mikethedude22 , Because its 2019 and "me too" is here, before that people expected actual story telling.

I'm terribly disappointed by this episode, it was a total let down. But it makes sense that they fight for the throne later because the show is called Game of Thrones. It was never avout the night king.

@@el_prestos which is an adaptation of the book series "A Song of Ice and Fire"

Underrated comment, facts

The Helms Deep scene was fucking unbelievable. Battles at night can definitely be done.

hmm, that's true

Also the the death of the night king almost exactly the same as witch king evil dude gets chucked from his dragon beast and then confidently thinks he's invincible but gets killed by a woman with a magical dagger but in lotr the hobbit stabs the witch king with said dagger and the warrior lady finishes him off.

@@mattygee37 they thought subverting expectations would work like it did for lotr. Big mistake

Usless..."The Song of Roland" explains that.

Theon's a good man, if you forget about when he murdered those two children to make people think they were bran and rickon.

Lots of charchters in this show have either killed a child or tried to kill a child. Some of which are main characters.

@@jeffm5991 Yeah Bran's line wasn't well written. We all know the characters are grey in this story, not black and white good or bad. Yet they made the NK completely bad w/no back story to give us, probably so they don't spoil the prequel to come which is idiotic as the only reason they want to put money into a prequel was due to this show and now they're ruining the ending because of it, and then telling Theon he's good is just not the right words. He redeemed himself somewhat by saving Sansa and then wanting to come back to fight to protect Bran, but he's not a wholesome good character still.

The last line Bran said to him was great. The way he died though was lame because he did a major thrust in slow motion so he (and everyone else) knew he was dead. It was cliche. Would've been more interesting if a bad-ass sword fight happened between Jon and the NK and Theon came and stabbed him instead. Theon IS A PRINCE so it would've made more sense. His father was king of the Iron Islands. Unlike arya who is neither prince or princess.

What about you don't have to pay for what you don't see

@Matejko108 She did THE SAME THING that Rey did.... coincidence? XD

You hate realism too it seems if you think Oberyn's death was realistic. He got an arm-only pat on the back of his knee... No matter how strong you are, you can't trip someone with that, only make them bend their knee slightly. Then Oberyn falls straight down on his back without rolling. Waits like 2 seconds before the Mountain casually grabs the back of his head with *one* hand. In that time he is being grabbed, he does nothing to escape, as if he's paralyzed. So the entire kill on Oberyn is complete bs. And people like you buy it because "his arrogance was his demise." No, bad choreography and directing was his demise.

@@michaelmiky11 Dude you can do this with every battle, I'm an mma fan i see a lot of flaws in fighting on screen but you can't get stuck up with such extremely minute details, it's entirely possible that the mt. could have done what he did and oberyn wouldn't have been able to do anything about it. Plus you're using this nonsense to throw shade at "people like me". You don't know anything about people like me. I thought alyosha was kind, smart and humble

@@neversurrender6112 I didn't throw shade, I just argued about Oberyn's death, which I think is the worst scene in GoT. I didn't attack you personally, but then you roasted me by saying I fall short of Alyosha's greatness... That hurts you know.

@@michaelmiky11 Yeah i overreacted im sorry my man

A Valerian steel knife trick. It's like people are intentionaly ignoring the lore!

@@punisher00109 Your point? There's a difference between gas/temperature and a solid, sharp object.

Guard Passer valarian steel kills wights, have u not watched the rest of the show?

@@punisher00109 Dude, clearly the night king can control temperature, as we've seem him do. That's why fire itself doesn't work, but solid objects do.

"Guard Passer21 minutes ago Balinux lol source on sharpness needing to be a factor? Sounds like denial to me" Season 8 episode 3. We see it take dragon fire to the face, we see it fall 10000 feet. We then see it die to a sharp object. Source provided... Could go further back to show you where sharpiness showed effectiveness, but I cannot go back to show you where a dragon breath is effect, neither can Bran.

2 seasons?!!??

she didn't even completed her training

At this point why even bother to fight or besiege kingslanding just send arya to kill the queen and you’re done

Hazzmati fr man lmao

MaxDeliringTV yeah she began in season 5 and stopped in season 7. Also somehow her half a year of training was enough to kill the Wraith who had many years of training. Just bs laziness

Vince Gilligan? What HBO show did he do?

and when Melisandre used magic to make the barrier go ablaze why was that necessary??...........Why didn't they just coat the barrier with a flammable substance, hell we already know that they had alcohol in westeros!!

I've never complained about the show, I've loved it even when it's not been at it's best. That said, I knew what we were in for the second the dothraki started charging and it switched to Jon and Dany's view up top. I knew all that fire would be extinguished, and the only reason that scene is there is because some idiot said 'hey, wouldn't it be cool if. . .?'. This episode was so bad that I pretty much consider the show over now. Sure, I'll probably watch the remaining 3 episodes out of curiosity, but they shit all over the show's legacy in less than 90 minutes. All those years of subtle build-up done away with for some snazzy special effects and 'cool' scenes. I actually turned the show off about 15 mins before the end and didn't find out about Arya until today, and I've never considered not watching the whole episode first time round.

@@KBrown-fw1gu So he does nothing? People should stop defending things that make no sense just because of their attachment and start thinking critically.

@@phillipsmith3102 This episode wa a shitshow but alcohol in that case would not have worked since it's quite volatile, it wouldn't had last if put prior of the battle. Tar would have been a much better choice, or some kind of cheap oil.

John Bull Yup, they sacrificed battle realism entirely just for one “cool” looking scene. Who advises these morons? Only soy drinking Hollywood people could look at that and go “yeah, let’s do that”...

It doesn't matter about tactics, they have a magical, teleporting teenage girl

The battle plan totally sucked, was expecting crazy booby traps and flammable material spread all over the battlefield but nothing. They kinda deserved to lose seeing how under-prepared and overwhelmed they were, but they got really lucky and won.

@@grantbaker7062 so... let me get this straight? You are complaining about things you See as errors of the Show and charakters.... because you are to blind and dense to see that the "errors" were no errors but circumstances (!!!) The charakters had to live with? They WERE undereprapared. They WERE overwhelmed. They KNEW it will gonna be like this. Because they KNEW from Tormund and others that the dead were only one Day away. They had little to NO reccourses and food. THAT is why they used Bran as bait to lure out the Night king. Because they HOPED that if they kill the King, they kill everything else. There was never the intend to defeat the undead army. There was never the chance. And there was no time for more preparations. But yeah... it's better to complain then to pay attention and to think. Same goes to mr. Shapiro and his analysis that is as dimm as the episode was

@@grantbaker7062 Yep, definitely expected the battlefield to be covered in tar so the dragons could light the entire wight army up.

They had like one or two days to prepare. They made like 1000 dragon glass weapons pretty click

The first season that question came from the audience not being used to TV depicting reality that well. They loved it and were hooked. The second question came from the incredible lack of realism and now they are not so hooked.

The first question is a compliment. The second one isn't.

a swartzx you said realism you gonna trigger the dudes / gals this is a fantasy show.. like fantasy shows don’t have rules. Imagine Harry Potter not needing a wand a uses his dick.. yeah doesn’t follow the rules

Exactly, they should have made it down the kings landing in a final stand

They literally made it like 40 miles from the wall lol, barely got into 1 of the seven kingdoms yet alone the whole world

I dont agree on what you said. They were hyping Ned stark and he came to a stop in book 1 after the first major hurdle. They were hyping up Stannis who failed time and time again in single episodes. Lost black water, lost winterfell. All of them in single episodes. Same with Ramsey. Hyped up as a big bad to fail at first battle. So the white walkers fall in line with the common theme. What i dont like is all the investmemt in the lore of the prince that was promised, Azor Akhai, legends of the sword ... bla bla bla only for the knights king to get killed by an ex-machina. Also the battle was the worst managed battle in history of fairytale books

Chelsea Fan thats what i thought at first too, that NK would be the final villain they would have to face. But i guess bitch queen and jack sparrow is more fitting for a final battle apparently

@@StefanStoykov I know it's one of the most popular references for cynics, but Arya killing the NK was far from a Deux Ex Machina.

Coding in Flow remember the night king controls all the wights and white walkers. He knew she was coming but didn’t see the trick. He underestimated her because he doesn’t know who she is and who’s she’s trained with.

@Lics Norgi pretty close

You are one of them who hate things to feel cool. Looser Anyway I didn't appreciate the ending I wished to see that fucking show down between night king vs brain

@@asadhollow6477 *Bran not brain. Spell right, he was actually one of the most powerful being in GOT (god tier) until show writers and directors ruined it. Btw i wanted to see night king's fighting skills against Jon Snow and then maybe be some mystical help from Brandon Stark and Arya could then kill him. They wasted everything. 5+ fucking years of my life building the hype for the final season. I feel betrayed, showrunners are cunts. I'm now leaving show and going to start reading those books of GRRM.

@@Azraeel11 GRRM is never going to finish the books, at least they're going to finish the show.

@@asadhollow6477 I hate you, just like all the cool people. Great use of grammar too, loser 😎

Mine too *sight*. This could have been the greatest episode ever but then it wasn't even good. I'm disappointed of the lazy writing

No, the episode was just awefull.

My expectations were not that high (after eps 1-2, and, in general, narrative downfall since season 5) and I was still disappointet, so I guess it was not Your fault.

Nah they build this shit up for 7 seasons

I had low expectations and i was still dissapointed.

Kek. Have a like.

Shuaaaat uuuupppp. The whole cast is white as hell. You’re as fragile and easily offended as the snowflakes...

"You disagree with me therefore you must be trolling trololo" nah, you are right... Nobody bringing up "its a tiny gurl" except people like him... He makes it relevant, nobody else cared about that specific bit.

@@TravelWithBradley *_wooosh_* wight male => white male

Yours and admthrawnuru's comments win the internet.

Ikr, it’s like a movie

That’s what I did lmao. I just watched it with my roommates who love the show and enjoyed the action.

Was actually hoping for that ending tbh Ben Shapiro is Azor Ahai!

He said he’s fine that Arya got to do it not that he was fine with the way she killed him

You think identity politics is not stupid and free speech is bad?

Jeff M lol

@@jeffm5991 Ben says some things that makes sense but most of it is right wing propaganda

@@Monochromicornicopia - Yes

I have no military expertise, but even I was mentioning to my wife, "Why is the infantry and calvary IN FRONT of the trench???"

Because it was too dark - nobody on the battlefield saw what was going on.

wino0000006 But if they had their cavalry doing their job in locating the enemy before the surviving guys from the Wall telling them in the afternoon, they could have done something with to help them with the visibility like setting the whole damn forest on fire.

Right? They also could have pulled back closer to where Danny and Jon are. Then when the dead are pilled against the trench or against the spears have the cavalry come in and hit them in the back or on their flanks

The fact they only gave themselves enough time to use 1 damn round of artillery was beyond comical to me.

Yeah and what kind of assassin approaches their victim silently from behind and then screams before striking giving them time to react 🤦‍♂️

@@sprittel The wights heard her single drops of blood falling 2 feet onto the concrete in the library. So you're telling me that she can run past hundreds of wights AND white walkers without being noticed?? It was stupid writing, in an episode filled with it. If she had taken the face of a wight and subtly approached, fine, fair enough, it would've made her training worthwhile, but she didn't. It was dumb.

@@ChrisDynamo 'so what you're saying is...' lol! please don't put words in my mouth I never 'told you' any of that! Maybe she did take a face, maybe she teleported, maybe she old fashioned snuck up, we don't know and none of that is relevant anyway all we know is she somehow got to a clue of feet behind the night king and then stupidly completely lost her edge and the element of surprise

@@sprittel I'm not putting words in your mouth, you said that she approached silently, how? How did the wights not see her? If she took a wight's face, why wasn't that shown? 'Maybe, maybe, maybe', what's the point in presuming anything, why don't we KNOW? Why wasn't the writing clear?

@@ChrisDynamo I did NOT tell you that she could run past hundreds of wights and white walkers without being seen and so you 100% did put words in my mouth. Please don't do that and then lie and say that you didn't do that, I actually agree with everything else you say but that's a completely different point entirely! Thank you and much love ❤

This. I've been coming across a lot of selective memory regarding Arya's training. What bothers me the most is the people claiming this is what she's been training for when that's not true. Ah well!

OMG - Arya is a clear example of Odysseus character whose personality becomes stronger and wiser during his long journey. So in fact Arya's character developes and becomes more mature for all the seasons after the death of her father.

Mystery Man Arya is a disgrace to game of thrones.. I can deal with a few dragons and magic as long as the rules stay consistent.. BUT WHEN ARYA TELEPORTS PAST THE WHOLE CIRCLE OF WHITE WALKERS AND THE GREAT GENERALS AND THE ONE AND ONLY NIGHT KING UNDETECTED that is when it’s bullshit

Papa Emeritus yep she’s undetected but then she fucking screams as she jumps at the night king, so retarded

Arya ex machina

Or “Plot Armour - Deus Ex Machina”

Agreed, I don’t know what their obsession is with her these last 2 seasons.

yep

yeah lol

Absolutely agreed. My god they were supposed to bring the apocalypse that threatened everyone, including the petty squabbles of the kings and lords playing at war. They were supposed to bring an unending night. Magic, resurrection, even a *god* played a role in this. Nope. Turns out they were kinda stupid and not that dangerous at all, really.

@Joel Smith Well we'll never know since he's fucking dead

Same. The only way I see this going is: 1. That Cersie see's the pyric victory and marches north despite her telling joffree it couldn't be done in season 1. and/or 2. We see the alliance of the north crumble much like the Allies after ww2 with nazi Germany gone. Sansa and Danny will go at it and Tyrion, Jon as well as the rest will have to choose. ---- Given how the series has gone, bringing the white walker back to kingslanding was an utter and complete waste of a dragon. Cersei should have been dealt with first while Winterfell could have been split in two. Second half of last episode being a kind of epilogue with an elderly Tyrion (or whoever), telling a group of young children the stories of his youth.

Winter is coming (as far as the characters are concerned) refers to weather, not walkers.

@@Monochromicornicopia Than it is not but a silly truism. A weather forecast. Obviously it is loaded with tons of symbolic meaning. Even the characters have some unconcious knowledge of this, and we as the omnipresent viewers know its true meaning from the very beginning.

@@KleenerBro That's all its ever been. The fans transformed it into a meme that has no bearing on the show itself.

That's right, a show that they have dumped money into for 7 seasons, which has increased its viewership for every single one of those 7 seasons, has now decided to skimp on lighting as the show comes to a close, just to save a little lira.

And don't forget they will not have the elephants for the finale battle

Yep... you don't have to pay for the VFX that you cant see!

Also partly because the castle was surrounded. Everywhere was deserted. Leaving them out in the middle of no where in a camp to 'flank' was retarded. Also partly because even in SEASON 1... They explain how the Doth'raki do not know how to defend. They are renowned and known for never losing a charge. They are undefeated. They charge. They win. Also the fact that their only plan in any way was to lure the night king in, not to win with superior tactics, but to stall. This plan failed when Danny got emotional seeing them get slaughtered, as opposed to the proper 'hit and run' they wanted to achieve. But I mean aside from all that, it must 'just' be the money.

@@TravelWithBradley I'm leaning towards total underestimation of their enemy. You are correct that the Doth'raki are only an offensive force but they work well since people will feel fear and have some self-preservation and eventually break. The dead have none of that, they will just mass and rip them apart, as they did. I think they figured they could hold them with a battle line as well... nope massed undead wave wins again and normal tactics fail.

Assassinating Cersei and living happily ever after as an assassin for hire. Jon should have killed the night king.

Shes still here and theres 3 episodes left. What makes u think this is how her story arc is finished

She is going to sit on the iron throne, that's my prediction.

Exactly. Arya's whole arc was on surviving and taking vengeance for those that wronged her family. She had nothing to do with the Night King storyline until this episode. They chose her to be unexpected and because they know fans love her.

It's fucking infuriating watching the "behind the scenes" segment and they literally said they chose arya because nobody would expect it(also she's the clear fan fav). D&D value playing favorites over writing a competent story. SLAY QUEEEEEEEEEN

Cock Merchant She trained to be a faceless man assasin and they spent forever with Arya and that side plot. In the game of thrones world the faceless men are the deadliest assasins that exist. So it’s not illogical for the girl who’s trained to be one of the worlds deadliest assasins to kill a super important character. But the episode should have done it in a better way though, I wish they at least had a nice sword fight between Jon and the night king

@@williamhammer9649 They are the deadliest assassin's but that episode was so unsatisfying, I still find it so hard to accept the way she flew out of nowhere when Bran was surrounded by hundreds or more of the dead.

Them Rin Yeah I agree. They could have done it in such a better way. But my point is it’s not automatically messed up that they choose Arya to do it, I think that choice is fine. It’s just the execution wasn’t

I'm not sure it's clear he disagrees with it. I think if he did he'd be finishing up those books to set the record straight, not walking around cons looking like he doesn't have a care in the world.

@@Big_Denney If you don't think he disagrees with the good vs evil narrative you haven't read his books or you have a hard time analyzing things you've read. That or you are blinded by your own preconceptions and biases. For example. Walter Frey was betrayed by Rob Stark and an oath was broken. In response he allied with the Lanisters and killed Rob, his wife, and his mother along with a few dozen in his militia. Arya Stark in revenge killed all of his sons, fed them to him, then invited all of his extended family to a banquet to poison them and have them choke on their own blood. Whose act was good and whose was evil? Which was more malicious? Which was justified? This is one of hundreds of examples throughout his literary work where good and bad are a matter of perspective. The hero of one side is the villain of the other. Another example is you have the virtuous paladin Ned Stark a man of principle stick to values and he is beheaded in the first book while little finger lives near to the end. People who's loyalties change and maneuver themselves to serve the realm such as Varis and Tyron do so much more for the book as a whole. Or as Varis put's it when talking to Tyrion, "he plays the game". Martin clearly is lampooning the archetypes and tropes that litter fantasy. Meanwhile, the narratives that survive the story illustrates the complexity of reality. This is why so many GOT theories have been wrong and baseless. They follow the same idealized fanciful thinking you find in the religions he shows in the book. They seek deeper meaning from a lack of understanding much like the religions seek deeper meaning in their lack of understanding a world with magic and magical creatures. I know this is a long winded response and I could go on for days while putting much more thought into this rebuttal. In the future I suggest you put more thoughts into your own.

and endless: "YAY!!! Girrrl power!"

Did HBO change George R. R. Martin's content or vision?

@@Big_Denney he already finished the 6th book. He is waiting for the series to end to ride on the wave of its popularity. He will release all the books again("new editions") with the 6th. Dont get me wrong. I think he is way too greedy, but he is being rational.

I was thinking "did they devise a plan to lose as many people as possible before winning?"

You should be ashamed of yourself

Dowhat Iwant “Flappy Ravens”

Kim jong Un they could have put dragon glass on their beaks and feet. Then bran controls them - picks the night kings skull away. Bird simulator 2.0

Bran warged into the Infinity War rat to get Ant Man out the quantum realm

Nepafarius i agree, but this while season had been terrible...you cant wrap up 10 years in 6 episodes....

Sad but true. I tried to block out the slight lameness of 6 and 7 but it's more of the same 20 to 1 impossible win scenarios, but miraculously everyone survives. They must have employed someone from the terrible hobbit prequels. They were first responsible for this daft rubbish.

Thank you for posting this comment. It is very well written and explains the point that I, myself was trying to convey.

They shouldve pulled a fast one and had the night king fly to kingslanding and taking the iron throne. That wouldve been epic.

It was difficult to see because there was no way they could actually film 500,000 soldiers fighting with practical effects. They all had to be digital. They had to be careful or it would look like that matrix sequel that turned out to be a joke as opposed to a serious battle scene. I disagree with the killing of the Night King. Came out of nowhere which is how it had to be. Arya didn't "learn to fly". Remember all her training as an assassin. There was plenty of time for her to make her way across the battlefield on foot, undetected using her skills she learned in that monastery thing with all the faces on the wall.

they didn't even show his face when night king died.kind of how Sam killed the first white walker. sad to say im disappointed.

I thought it was fine, because the real tragedies are about to be hard to watch. Like Arya most likely getting killed by the Mountain. Don't forget the statues that were shown before in the trailer. Her statue is young. Plus I think most people for some reason give the wights pure free will of their own. They work in sync to the Night King's commands. He was sure the resistance was over, he was savoring the 3 eyed raven's death. He caught her because he noticed her with the extension of the wight that noticed her running at him. He turned and caught her.

Most important thing of all: She is physically weak and small. Melee weapons require strength and reach to use effectively. A tiny little girl like that shouldn't be cleaving 10s of undead with one move like butter...

Ha I bet you thought this comment was clever zero likes

@@Monochromicornicopia Joke's on you, I had my friends like the comment Who's the loser now B)

I can't believe Ben actually supported this...he's being sarcastic, right?

Would of been great to if seen Ayra and Jon combo attack the ww King. I didn’t mind ayra take the kill, just poorly executed.

Arya Ex Machina... TBH, I do not mind that it was Arya. I have issue with when and how. But still, compared to the fact that nothing during that battle made any sense from strategic and tactical point of view, it's a lesser flaw for me.

How was it deuu ex machina? Arya killing the night king was prety well set up. We knew melisandre and arya had some unfinished business from season 3 and they would meet again. Mel stares down arya when she is entering winterfell. Beric dies saving her seemingly the reason he was being resurrected, AND melisandre brought up the brown eyes, green eyes, blue eyes thing again. It was extremely clear that would happen and was far from out of nowhere.

I don't think Deus Ex Machina means what you think it means... .. .

They finally found a good use for those trebuchets.

Yeah just like all the chuck norris memes.

One punch man. One stab girl.

Holy shit..... GET ALDO JONES ON THE PHONE

How could you tell she flew out of nowhere? I couldn't see _anything._

with FACTS and CINEMATOGRAPHY

He came south to get Brand. If he got Brand everyone one would have been fucked pretty much

@@Jimmy-Fart-Pants that's not true Jon and team brought an undead to Cersei in King's landing and it was still very much active. And the Night King's generals could have directed the army.

@@harrison777ify2 He didn't need to do that personally, He could have had his Generals bring Bran to him if he wanted to kill him.

EasyP Network maybe. I think he need to be there to absorb his power or some shit. But he could have got his generals to capture him and do it later

@@harrison777ify2 yeah. Use your generals. Which was another disappointment. The only thing his generals did this whole episode was walk around. they didn't even fight!!!!

Suyash Gautam Well no, Winter was officially announced by the citadel in S6, and the events from S6-S7-S8 are relatively close to each other. Also, it’s a huge disappointment to see that the White Walkers, who were supposed to bring apocalypse to the point where there were prophecies of foreign religions talking about it, die in a single battle in a single hour by a stupid Deus Ex Machina ending and some bullshit about “if you kill the Night King, you kill them all”. The Night King doesn’t even exist in the books. White walkers were supposed to be a species of their own, and were literally going to bring continent wide war. Terrible writing there, despite a visually satisfying episode.

Exactly. Arya is definitely a Mary Sue. She is fighting 1000X better than seasoned 2m tall warriors on armor, just because she trained with sticks. I am sorry but i am not buying it, in fact, i believe she is more of a Mary Sue than Rey.

If so, truly the night is dark and full of terrors...

More like Uwe Boll. At least Rian made Brick and Looper...

and like 5 archers on the wall

And using torches for signaling instead trumpets.

And the dorthraki were uselessy killed

literally everyone has noticed

The trebuchets would have been useless anyway. Projectile was very small, not explosive (not sure if explosives are known in GoT world anyway) and it takes time to fire each shot. In that time the army of dead would already reach the perimeter. Trebuchets would have done very little damage no matter where they were placed. So their only use was to lighten up the battlefield just a little bit so that dorthraki could see where to go. And this was achieved - although they did not stand a chance anyway.As for frontal charge - in GoT world they had every right to assume it would be a successful strategy - such charges worked before for instance in battle with Lannister’s forces. I cannot imagine flanking maneuver in those conditions presented in the episode. Flanking maneuver works if you can surprise your enemy. Not sure if that was possible considering that the Night King had a dragon and could take a look at preparations to the battle. And in complete darkness it would have been impossible for cavalry to actually go around and not run over each other. Remember - trebuchets were in the front, not on the flanks, to lighten the battlefield. And any lights at the flanks would have been visible from far away, and there goes your element of surprise. The trenches were behind the army so that they were able to retreat and catch breath. If the trenches were in the front, they would have been useless. If they were not on fire, then the dead would run over it, look how easily they have climbed over the walls. If the trenches were in front of the army and on fire, then the dead would simply wait until the fire is gone. At least the trenches behind allowed some time to be bought. And remember, there was never a possibility to actually win this battle just by killing wights, there were too many anyway. Plan was to survive until opportunity for killing Night King occurs.

Commando Master so she teleported? I thought she used her skills as an assassin to sneak past the white walker and attack NK

@@wq198mnr She used a trampoline to jump into the circle of hundreds of the dead to kill the NK She was probably also taught in the ways of trampoline travelling in those six seasons of her training.

By this point the entire gathering of the dragon glass was useless Sam learning about the secrets of all Walkers was useless Hodor's backstory, the entire 3 eyed raven and different timelines were useless The 8 year long talk about the long night was useless, because we had a teleporting Super Mega One-Hit kill Arya. Could have spared us 7 seasons if she just teleported to all the Lannisters in Ep. 1!

BRO SKI nah no skill teleport. You ain’t sneaking past thousands

Kyra Sam was useless asf. It should say in that book fk becoming a master become a faceless man an you can easily kill the Nk

Really? I find them to be extremely ridiculous

@Samwise the Brave no they are crap

@Samwise the Brave link to some of them plz. The ones I come across are trash.

Thats probably why you didnt enjoy this episode, anyone who watches the stupidly complex theories that will never see the light of day with surely be disappointed with the shows conclusion . GOT was always about the iron throne.

@Samwise the Brave i hated the plot armor in this episode, but i was by far shocked when Arya was the one who ends it all. I would've groaned if it was Jon or Dany. This conflict dragging into a second episode would've made me groan as well because it was said repeatedly beforehand that this was it, either they win or lose. I can't think of a way any of them could've possibly escaped to stretch it out . Like ben stated, the politics of the throne was ALWAYS infinetly more interesting than muh zombies.

that and the phrase "winter is comming" has been drilled into us for 8 years & in the got universe for thousands of years well winter came and went in 1 night

yeah the show lost its integrity. show started by a freak then normies took over and turned it into a soap with swords.

@@qwertyuiop-ke7fs this shit happens whenever anything goes mainstream, it's awful. I doubt that going mainstream is as much the cause in this case though since they had book material to follow, then they ran out and didn't know what to do

@@devjk1 they pretty much ran out by choice. Ignored so many shit from the books, just, why...

They should hire some of the fans that write the fan theories.

@@devjk1 They didn't run out of material. Book 3 was huge and made into 2 seasons (with a lot of stuff cut out). Then they squeezed book 4 and 5 into one season, even though the latter was almost as big as book 3. If they had adpated at the same rate as the first 4 seasons, only this year would we be overtaking the books (assuming a season every year). They rushed the shit out of this series to get to the big epic action sequences, all because they thought the new mainstream audience would be bored by political intrigue and weaving plot threads. And they were probably right.

Oh yes, we did see her jump - you know, after she was stabbed in the stomach multiple times (injuries that would've been an instant kill for any other character), jumped into dirty dock water, swam a considerable distance and was magically back up and running two days later, murdering an assassin that unlike Arya had decades of training behind her in an off-screen scene. But no, totally no Mary Sues here.