yup thinking that same thing. i let her go the first time i played not any of the dozen of times after though also she has a smg behind her back that she whipped out i dont think that qualifies as defenseless

Also, you later find intel on her, she HAD killed the volus, the asari cop had been investigating that case. You get a few creds if you conclude the investigation. It was her acceptance job to become part of eclipse merc group to kill the volus merchant.

12 is my favourite

That kill was utterly warranted

Balazs Kadar Finally, someone who played the game properly...

Ditto, I also sometimes keep criminals alive so they can make fools of themselves later (Fist, lol)

Yep, same here. On my first playthrough, I made the choices that I would have made in real life (OK, maybe I stretched it a bit) and had a great game. Ended up with about the same of each with a slight bias toward Renegade and took the middle choice for the ending (this was the original ending, not the watered-down DLC version). Still my most satisfying playthrough.

I play the same way

Yeah, that's why I don't like the blue and red dialogue choices that always fix everything, those force you to go full, or at least mostly follow one path. Plus, it takes tension away because, as I said, you know that dialogue choice is going to fix it all.

Plus some renegade scenes are just too good to pass on (ex. Breaking a vase at Kazumi's mission or shooting the gas pipe on Mordin's)

Yeah honestly, I'd prefer Ruthless Paragon.

like all psychopaths they have to go up the ante^^

Hey colonial ruthless paragon here @@EhCanadianGamer

and lets not forget, shep came back from the dead. who knows what he brougth back from the other side within her soul. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."

@@RevoltingRudi cringe

awesomedogeman 2.0 Pretty sure it's a shotgun.

There's more to that story, and it clues you in. It's an ongoing murder investigation, and you learn beforehand that Eclipse members HAVE to make a kill to join the merc group. So if she fooled you, you weren't paying attention. Basically, if you let her go, you still find a log where she brags about shooting the volus and joining the sisters as the result. So she's guilty as hell, just plays an injured fawn in this scene unless you go the renegade route.

@@ashwath5733 it's definitely a submachine gun. M9 Tempest, specifically

Plus all Asari are naturally biotic, so that's a built-in weapon right there.

Sorry but it's "defenseless".

Blasto level of epicness XD

The other awesome line from that scene is when he goes “We’ll handle this... the usual way.”

"What sound will you make when you hit the ground? Think you'll hear it before you die?" That line is the reason why I never push the guy out the window.

Which game is that from?

@@notmakingcontent ME2 DLC shadowbroker.

Because you kill an unarmed man who pretty clearly states he's a non-combatant. I mean, killing enemy doctors and mechanics makes sense pragmatically, doesn't make it less of a war crime.

ech, he clearly knows he is working for ruthless mercenary clan, i would say its kinda free game here.@@KasumiRINA

@@KasumiRINA It's not a crime because it's not outlawed on Omega. Omega has it's own law system and doesn't care for intergalactic laws at all. You are stronger then the mechanic? So you have the right to kill him. But yes, under the rule of the Citadel, it would be a crime. Unless you are a Spectre of course who have the license to kill whoever stands in the way of their mission. Oh, wait... Is it amoralic to kill him? Sure, else it wouldn't be a Renegade option. But still, you make it sound as if he was a harmless civilian, only because he is a non-combatant. That's wrong. He is second-in-comand of the Blue Suns on Omega. I don't have to tell you that the Suns are not just some merchaneries, but a highly criminal organisation, involved in drug smuggling, slave trade, murder and more. And you don't become second-in-comand in such an organisation by technical skills only. That said, I always kill him, even as an almost always Paragon Player. Mainly for the same tactical reasons as Lashmer. The gunship at full hull and shield is a pain in the ass.

@@KasumiRINA Yes it's renegade because you kill an "unarmed" man who's part of a deadly gang who's repairing a ship in order to kill your friend without any remorse. Brilliant logic. lol

@@KasumiRINA He's a Batarian and a member of a gang on Omega. I don't care how much of a "non-combatant" that guy is until I see proof that he wasn't, he was a dick and deserved to die.

Every eclipse merc has to kill someone to get accepted and earn that armor. It's mentioned somewhere before the mission.

@@ravenousbasilisk5120 Yah the volus at the start mentions it.

I disagree with this from a role playing perspective. Your Shepard isn’t aware of the fact that this person ripped apart the volus. As far as they’re aware, the asari is just a defenceless kid way out of their depth. Even if the outcome is worse, the decision to spare her is the moral choice imo

@@angrymidgetlord9447 You're told that Eclipse need to kill someone to get their armor. So you can assume that she at least killed 1 person in cold blood.

@@BrianMcKee that’s not foolproof tho. Maybe by the time she realised that’s what she had to do it was too late, who knows? (from Shepard’s POV anyway.) Even if it were cold blooded, I think that she still deserves to be let go if there’s a chance she’ll leave the Eclipse and make amends somehow, but I could see why you’d disagree with that

DMC12Gauge i prefer the renegade line instead of pushing him out the window

It's such a cult classic one liner! It's my favorite in the whole series, especially when said by Jennifer Hale.

Never gonna say goodbye

Reminds me of superman doomsday where the clone kills toyman

When face expressions were a thing

He was like: "F**k, that guy is so f**king badass, how do I even have a chance beating him?"

Much better then Mass Effect Andromeda

The best part of the renegade is to be the badass.

Then you play Andromeda and they all look like that.

Somehow, Renegade choices make more sense when dealing with Krogan. They'll take it as a sign of dominance.

vlad saioc Kinky.

vlad saioc thats in their nature. They respect you more if you have the balls to take them on

The Unknown like headbutting them

slug miester exactly!

I actually felt bad at work the day after killing Mordin.

no samara can die in ME2....just choose her daughter over the justicar

And leaving David archer with Cerberus.

You can’t kill Wrex both times

Those aren't in ME2...

One of the few choices that actually reflects the traditional renegade style from ME1-i.e. more about getting things done rather than being a psychopath... :P

You don't need to max out the Renegade bar. Just need it to be high enough. That _was_ pretty funny, though.

I prefer punching him to be honest.

ALSO, if you punch him twice and hold out third time, he doesn't crack until his lawyer comes in, and, seeing bruised, beaten client, lawyer sees dollar (credit, whatever) signs flash before his eyes (figuratively), and threatens you with lawsuit, after which you either pull off a Spectre card, embarrassing them both, or, if you were not reinstated, just tell them that law won't help them after you shoot them down. There are many other options, but I liked that one the most, you got to fail on purpose though to shove it to the lawyer.

I also had it that way, yet my renegade was far from being maxed

😂😂😂 “YOU’LL LIVE”

Mass Effect 2 did Renegade options right. I tended to avoid the renegade options in 1 and 3 since they were so often either asshole or evil decisions, but in 2 I can't help picking renegade options even in Paragon playthroughs.

Mass Effect 2 renegade is Badass

In my playthroughs, I took the renegade option in maybe 4 or 5 situations. Going full renegade never made sense to me from a story perspective because by the end, Shepherd is such a vicious rude jerk that I can't imagine anyone respecting him let alone liking him.

Not a true paragon then, you're evil even in real life if you think 75% of those things were right.

Mandorle21 most of them are basically choices in which you kill someone before he kills you or someone else. For example, regarding the Asari from eclipse, if you pay attention to the game, they tell you that every single eclipse member has murdered someone, as it's a required thing to do to enter the gang. In fact, later in the game you find a recording In which she laughed about the volus she killed (which was the murder you were investigating) and not choosing the renegade option doesn't mean that you arrest her, but that you let her escape In other words, a LOT of renegade options appear when you face assassins or mercenaries that are willing to kill you, your squad, or civilians so I don't know what's all the fuzz about

cadenstew2002 That was more hilarious than shocking

But kicking his balls is much more funny than shooting him

Nooooo..... did I? (Fucking groupies.....) :3

N7Raven_ If you ask him he admits that his armor is fake.

He was so dramatic 🤣🤣🤣

The persuasion scenes are badass too, you prattle on as Liara throws a singularity...

That would be in real life too reckless as a good person, since doesn't matter how good your aim is you can easily kill the hostage (or get her killed). Normally police doesn't do this and for a reason. So I never choose it, since I prefer to play as I would handle in real life.

@@unusveritas4122 in real life you don't get a convenient blue/red option that lets you know there's a strictly better choice as to how to handle the situation.

I love the intimidate option where shepard trashtalks the asari 😂

Is there another way to play?

Well, there was this thing called the potato blight a long, long time ago where a potato in Ireland was about as common as the king's edicts of clemency.

There are potatoes in Ireland?!

@Hazardous Bill For the sake of this comment's validity, we're just going to pretend you never said that.... :3

*Watch out we got a badass over here*

Technically there were still potatoes, they just couldn't be eaten

Culprit to the ongoing investigation of all things, and you're clued in. I still kept her alive and put up a warrant.

Waylon Jones that guy was so shocked that he did that.

Let's be honest here, didn't we all take that fuckin' interrupt? That guy was an asshole. And I was on paragon playthrough.

Zefram Cochrane Yes. Him and that Admiral in 3.

Michael Relaford Which one was that? I'm blanking, I tend to like suppressing all memory that ME3 and Andromeda ever even happened.

Zefram Cochrane the admiral of the heavy fleet. He shoots at the Geth Dreadnaught while you're still onboard.

female version of that scene is voiced much better ... hell EVERY scene in this game is voiced better for femshep ...

@@Asghaad Nope

@@AsghaadObjectively wrong

sadegh Dark also wasn't defenseless.

The second she reached for her gun, I shot her without hesitation. For me, It's a natural instinct when dealing with people like her...

A recording you can find later confirms her as a killer.

Exactly, that why I like Mass Effect 2, it sometimes did punish you for being too much Paragon. Mass Effect 1 and 3 pretty much built for Paragon only

Mr Paine ohhhh I was wondering why anybody would do that, the first time I saw it I was like "😱😱😱 WHAT THE HECK SHEPARD WHAT'D HE EVER DO TO YOU" but I get it now

Mr Paine I agree I always did that one. Besides the "You're working too hard" line is so badass

I always go to recruit Garrus first (even the first time when I didn't know who Archangel was) because I went to Omega to follow Cerberus' suggestion to recruit Mordin and then realized that Archangel is in more imminent danger with gangs about to tear him apart. If you go in with Miranda (since I always only have Miranda and Jacob at this point), though I assume a different character will take this role if you come with a different squad later on, she suggests various things you can do to improve your odds of coming out on top when saving Archangel. Each of her suggestions corresponds with an action you can perform in the staging ground. First time I did it, I saw the renegade interrupt and drew the connection that the guy was repairing the vehicle and she'd said to sabotage any vehicles they might deploy. I took it, but I was sort of like "Oh wow, really?" because I thought he was just going to throw a wrench in the engine or something, not murder a Blue Sun. We have to keep in mind the Blue Suns aren't all murderers (like Eclipse, which requires members to perform a murder just to get in) and that this guy openly says in the preceding conversation he isn't a fighter, just a repairman for the Blue Suns - which aren't even that bloodthirsty in the first place as much of their crime is smuggling rather than killing. Effectively, yes this guy is a criminal, but only by being an accomplice. That's still bad, but murdering him outright over it? I have typically avoided using that interrupt ever since because it seems to harsh... and it makes a nice little narrative turn because I later have to pay for my bleeding heart with a deadlier aircraft in the final fight. It's one of the more interesting choices the game poses for you in my opinion. Can you bring yourself to outright kill a guy who simply does repairs for smugglers and is sort of shaking his head at how worked up his employers have gotten that they have to kill this Archangel dude... or will you have to pay the price of a much harder fight (and if we think about this from beyond game logic and in the real world, potentially losing and DYING)?

@@petersteiner6595 you should do a playthrough where you recruit Grunt first, he has unique dialogue with Blood Pack during Archangel mission (Zaeed has some with the Blue Suns). Then, taking either Grunt/Garrus, or better, both of them, gives the best dialogue possible for Mordin's recruitment. Grunt can be paired with someone else too, if you want to roleplay (I DON'T GET SICK!) but you miss out on Mordin and Garrus having an exchange on turians working with humans. In fact, most players miss out on best writing because Miranda and Jacob have the most boring, generic lines on Mordin's Dossier assignment.

But it did leave the guy shocked

Who else was expecting him to just shoot them both

Offworlder1 i know but i do some evil just because its funny to do. Like sabotaging that gun ship.

Coldboy33 same here

I did some of these options. And I felt like a complete shithead after most of them...MOST OF THEM.

I dunno, I' a Paragon player myself and don't like most of these, but shooting Conrad in the foot......soo satisfying...... Still lol that in ME3 he apologises for going screwy in ME2 if you were a Paragon (he's bugged to always assume you chose Renegade, even when you used ME1 Paragon save data. Rather than fix the bug, they had Conrad apologise in ME3, saying he was going through a rough patch and wasn't thinking too straight at the time)

vc180191 same here. I only do the evil. One's when i am dealing with the blue sun. Or another enemies. Or that bartender from omag

Michael F yeah you know Andromeda isn't a bad game but Ryder can't even get close to Shepard. I mean even if you chose the "nice" dialoug options shepards still wekl pretty rude U loved that

I don't think its a bad game just different atmosphere wise. I usually played renegade first as that was the most fun and not being given the option here is disappointing. I mean they could have inserted a few harder options in places like Kadara or Elaaden where people are constantly cursing at you, you should be given the option to shut them up. I know Ryder is no Shepard in this regard but he/she is deadly and combat experienced so to have somebody say "Fuck off" and your reply is "OK" is just weak and Sam tells you not to talk to the mercenaries in Elaaden as he might be dangerous is also an anti climax to that situation. like I said its not a bad game just different, I was disappointed in my first play through but I am not doing a second play through and now that I know what the character is like also with the updates done since I am really enjoying the game.

unlike Sheppard, ryder is a green leaf the only duty he did was guarding a relay in milkyway, while for sheppards past you could have chosen multiple dramatic pasts that involve heavy combat situations one way or the other. This is what sets the atmospehre really a young grasshopper inherits his fathers legacy through sacrifice and must now learn the ropes and build his character in a new galaxy where they were sent with delusional hope. Andromeda really shines this happy go lucky feel.

Andromeda is objectively terrible.

IMO andromeda was one of the worst games I've ever played.

ME1 actually has a dialogue with Garrus about Dr. Heart, where he explains that krogans like to use testicle transplants in effort to help fertility, the punch line there was that the full set is 4x the price of one ball.)))

Alexander Romanov Same, though I do also punch the reporter. She is a bitch, even more so than Ashley

zach e why punch the reporter? She's a bitch, but if you go around punching every bitch you see you'd probably be in prison.

zach e a hero doesnt punch civilian women

I killed the krogans (Tuchanka). Many less enemy to fight. Easier to go on

@@aleessandromordasini1306 you must have been a failure ME1. The Krogan under Wrex are pretty damn helpful.

And? In reality she pulled a gun on you and pulled the trigger (yay shields) so you are in the clear to use deadly force.

She killed a Volus if that makes you feel better.

I was like “Damn!” Lit the hell up

Bring Jacob to that too, and ask about why was he poisoning people to hear some extra lines. Paragon version is brutal too, you make a bar patron shoot him.

Alexander Romanov and the shocking betrayal too

I never did it. That's too bad 😢

I always liked the renegade dialogue when you skip the interrupt. Shepard pushes them against the glass and asks "what sound will you make when you hit the ground? Think you'll hear it before you die?" After that, he tells you where they are and you can flank them.

I'm the "Good Guy" LOLOLOLOLOL

Come on. It's not like it's really evil most of the time. It's justified, and falls right into the Spectre expected background. Granted though, some of these are really fucked up. Murdering Mordin, Manipulating Jack into murder, letting Samara die and murder her last daughter, killing Samara and saving Morinth, among others. But the ones shown here ? Real soft for the most part.

N7Raven_ At the end of ME3 I was about 70-80% renegade - I think this was a perfect balance between being badass and not a mindless monster. Being a renegade in first two Mass Effects meant being badass, unlike being a cruel unjustifiable psycho in the third one. I don't know why they designed many ME3 renegade decisions differently.

Narv It is Cerberus effect! After killing 1 million brainless humans who work with Cerberus against Alliance which is trying to save humanity against both Cerberus and Reapers you become a psycho no matter what. I think ME 3 is the worst ME game including Andromeda, ME1>ME2>Andromeda>Saving the galaxy from endless spawns of Cerberus...

The most shocking and the most "incomplete" renegade decision in me2 for me is to choose to chase down the blue suns leader sacrificing lifes of the innocent workers. Choosing so didn't give me satisfying ending and the cutscene was pretty lame. But some of the choices shown here I make every time, like pushing the merc through the window 😈

Piotr Paczuski lol I'm mostly renegade but I can't kill wrex or moridan all the other shit if fair game for me lol my shepard will do whatever it takes

PolesAreEverywhere that's what I thought. He may have just sounded a hostage, but that line, "you forgot one thing. I'm a spectre too..."

Was that like a dlc or something?

@@emigdiogalvan4816 Shadow Broker

You Have To Do At Least 1 Full Playthough As A Renegade To Get The Best Experience .

@@bagpuss121 I dunno, I always play mixed alignment, Mass Effect 2 just didn't reward you for killing people in ME1, usually you had guys like Fist or Helena Blake simply disappear unless you go out of your way to save them, in which case you got funny scenes as a bonus. Ditto with council. Killing them or Wrex doesn't help you in the sequel... Hell, even Balak reappears in 3 and you hear broadcasts of Terra Nova survivors glorifying Shepard. That said, I want to replay the trilogy with killing Wrex in 1 and sabotaging genophage cure in ME3, also maybe wiping out the Geth, definitely will kill heretics next time as that saves a lot of quarian lives.

@@bagpuss121No. You need to go paragade to get the best experience xD. Renegade just isn't shepard for me.

Kasumi gaming. Killing Balak over saving the hostages is totally the right choice. If you Don't you'll learn in ME3 that Balak has killed a lot of people sabotaging thing.

@@hapdf hes also the last senior officers in the batarian navy. So If you kill him his people end of leaderless.

OMG, I wanted to stick it to Aria so much, and the only two ways you can go against her will is helping Patriarch in the way she disapproves (like being a krantt) or during Omega DLC. I made her spare russian guy only to shoot him myself in front of her face.)

varthelm satan is it you?

Corsades - nope :)

varthelm you realize this is a completely different game right? >.>

Shepard is a legend

Not really lol.

I just have to do it, even on my paragon playthrus!

Iron Fox Same

Why wouldn't one do it? It's got all the right conditions for even a Paragon main: Member of a mercenary group with few/no moral restrictions, benefits you later in the mission, lacks other beneficial options and gives you free renegade points. Anybody who doesn't do it is either challenging themselves or foolish to a suicidal degree! :3

Personally, I always preferred to let the turian to shoot him.

Filip Frymark don’t know if you’re question is hypothetical or are you actually wanting to know: but we all know the reason is is because paragon is way easier to do than renegade, especially in me 1 if you decide to save that feros colony. Paragon just shoots up

The dialogue wheel choices. Dont just look at blue and red. Bottom wheel choices typically give you renegade and the upper wheel choices give paragon. atleast on the right side. Left usually means questions and stuff

Same , renegade interrupts are the best

if you stop garrus from shooting harkin garrus then will head butt him

I've always played paragon femshep and renegade maleshep just to see different actions and romances, testament to how well Bioware made these games

Roger Norris I never stopped Garrus from shooting Harkin, I always felt like it wasn't my choice to make, and I liked Garrus too much to ruin his one chance at revenge.

Most of them just let the characters keep talking if you don't interrupt them. Sometimes you even get a chance to do paragon instead, and vice versa.

The Moa Goddess same

I guess it's a Terminator 2 reference when the T800 is told to not kill anyone and few moments after he shots someone in the leg and says "he"ll live"

@@baronnuuke7821 I was more reminded of "Speed".

Some may be justice, but most are excessive use of force. You were made a spector to replace and hunt down a corrupt specter. By going down the renegade path, you too become a corrupt specter making you replacing Saren pointless.

There's a vast difference between excessive use of force and betraying all organic life.

"Shocking... Positively shocking." was James Bond's one-liner after shocking someone to death, I think Shep got his/her N7 from the 00...)))

@@TheZombiesAreComing no the end justifys the means, always

@@wabakin7700 No, it really does not and that is a dangerous mentality to follow. While force may be needed in SOME situations, most situations can easy be solved without force thus it is excessive and not justified, 6:30 especially.

well that depends, you know there is an option to take control of Reapers ... meaning Shepard not only lives, but also is immortal overmind of unstoppable armada ...

you are a bitch compared to Shep, ryder

Same goes with shooting the gas pipe under the definitely unfriendly krogan. It's just seems like the exact way they do things on Tuchanka.

Actually, on Tuchanka, they just shoot them in the face.

That batarian is a non-combatant, he makes it quite clear, and killing unarmed mechanics is a war crime. Even if they work for enemy.

@@KasumiRINA Aren't they basically mercenaries/criminals though? Which would be in the realm of an "irregular". Also, we all know how deadly engineers can be in the world of Mass Effect, I'd hardly consider him a non-combatant. If he was a civie then yeah, but he is wearing the Blue Suns uniform.

Too

Yes. The gunship has full armor if you don't do it, so it is a harder fight. Of course Armor Piercing or Warp Ammo make it a bit easier, it is still harder when you have to go against the gunship with full armor.

@@cmwinchell and since it's an early game stage, you don't have much in a way of skills so unless you brought a rocket launcher, it's a pretty hard fight too.