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To be fair, you guys ARE a media channel. Maybe part of your KS funding should go to hiring someone to get audio & recording set for your live panels. It's possible someone in the DT crew might know someone that wouldn't charge you an arm and a leg to get a clean recording. I do enjoy listening to some panels that are recorded like this, but just a thought for future panels.

If you aren't set up to record them live, then why do you do it?

@@Manigo1743 We figure that people might want to see them, rather than nothing at all.

I appreciate you sharing, thanks DT

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And I agree with her so much. She seems to have good taste it would be interesting to see what her top 10 are

She's not wrong, just one is just a generic party game, there's nothing original or special about it

And for a good reason. That is a factually wrong claim.

😂 I blame sleep depravation. They rightfully called me out - I’ll own it.

Eldritch Horror, but yeah, that's a weird one. It's a Eurogame because you have to control your actions and control the board? Is everything a Eurogame?

​@@MillaCleghow was the con?

It’s on a map, and it is long and fiddly. So I can see the comparisons to a heavy euro.

His Ark Nova assessment is spot on!

His number 1 was a huge miss. His complaint is that people enjoy playing it on pc? Plenty of games have digital versions that are very fun to play. And the complaint about missing? One of the best things about GH is that you don't have to check to see if you hit, just to see how much damage you do.

Worst list by far.

@@anthonykuhn3792nah I totally agree with Joey. The digital adaptation is so good it has me wanting to sell my physical copy. I never want to have to deal with that setup/teardown and all that overhead again. Whereas with other digital adaptations I still enjoy playing the physical. Also pulling the x0 is essentially the same as missing.

@ThorAxiun if you're still enjoying the digital game, then the game clearly isn't overrated. It's still good, but you prefer it with less overhead. And sure, the 1 in 20 to do no damage can hurt, but it isn't the same as missing in 90% of other rpg type games. You still get all benefits of the attack including status effects and if you plan to do big attacks, you can equip your character to prepare for those moments when you absolutely need to hit. The game would be worse without the miss card.

Dice Tower West is such a great experience. This was my third year and I don't plan on missing another year.

Same. It looks so much fun. My travel options are limited, but I promise myself I'll make it to one someday.

57:43 The disbelief as he checks the screen then starts laughing about the chaos she just created was amazing 🤣

😂😂

Mikes #3 was 7th continent

Camilla’s #3 is La Havre

I'm guessing you already realize this, but the interrupt action card is not totally useless in co-op. It's free to be discarded for doing an action that costs other cards, which seems perfectly adequate for the conversion to a co-op. It's fine to dislike the game though, I just wouldn't put much weight on that reason.

Also, there's just something weird to me hating on a game like Blood on the Clocktower because fans want more people to try it and play it. This game has become popular literally because of word of mouth and people trying it, loving it, then trying to find a copy in print. This should be the type of game that, love it or hate it, is celebrated by gamers. But when Tom admits that (despite years of him hyping up Werewolf and how much he loves playing Werewolf) he refuses to even play Blood on the Clocktower because people keep asking him to play it? That really seems odd and spiteful to me. Perhaps all these fans really want to know Tom's opinion, especially after saying a year ago he was looking forward to playing and reviewing it but hasn't. But despite that, I actually like that this is mostly an attempt to rile up the crowd than anything. Kind of the whole point of doing this live rather than just another video. Tom was the only one who seemed to understand the assignment and you can see his list was the least entertaining for the crowd.

That's either a bit dramatic or a very personal impediment. Audio isn't great but you could absolutely hear them.

I don't get that either.

Tom confusing popularity or awareness of a game with quality

@@keithparker1346I don't think it's confusion, he just chose a different metric.

If you think something is overrated, don't you think it means it should be rated... lower?

Ironically, I've LONG argued that despite the "awards" Kingdom Builder has gotten, I think it is way under-rated. Because the amount of hate and bad reviews and criticism the game gets is actually very high. Meanwhile, the people who take the time to understand what exactly KB has to offer seem to love it...which is a minority. So hard to say a game is over-rated when a lot of people dislike it openly, unless you are only talking about the reviews/ratings.

Yes, good players love it. Not so good players hate it.

Ark Nova is a great game IF you are into longer, involved, multiplayer solitair-ish eurogames. Some people just hate the hype or refuse to give it a real chance. The "It's too long" argument is rubbish imo too, that is a player(count) problem.

Not to mention that the length problem really does get better the more you play it. It's always going to be on the long end but there are games that feel really long and games that ARE long but don't feel that long. AN is the latter for me.

Most of the games I love are long but they feel like the time pay off is worth it. That's definitely not the vibe with Ark Nova. It's too solitary to run as long as it does.

I find it too long and too random. I also don't like the mechanic it borrowed from Terraforming Mars with cards you can't use in certain parts of the game. So I get past 20 appeal points and I can't use a bunch of cards? Why? I also am not a fan of the subtracting one point value from another. Why would I want to play a game for 1-2 hours just so I can get negative points at the end? I'd rather play Underwater Cities. In fact I had Ark Nova, played it a half dozen times and sold it.

Just got it last year, it's awesome

I get why people like it. For me, it just slogs too much, and I think it works best as a solo game.

​@@KissellMissile It's my favourite game of all time but even I will admit it's only good solo.

Do you know if this has similar mechanics to the original Mage Knight or Mage Knight Dungeons?

The idea that something can't be overrated unless something is similar to it is a fallacy.

I love this game, but yeah, it is weirdly high on BGG list. It is a niche game and has clear flaws, but it does create a very unique experience that can in some cases fall flat.

For a game that lucky it just goes too long for the amount of decisions you do. I bought the expansions and they make it more strategic but also longer and at that point of complexity there are just better games. In the base game all decisions feel like a no-brainer because after you bought your first couple of ingredients you are more or less set on a path. Depending on the recipe-books there are certain combinations that you can try out, assuming that it's all balanced by the designer, and then you just kind of do it. -> the game more or less plays itself. There isn't much sense in "switching strategies" by the end somehow. If your orange and red chips are highly synnergistic, you're not suddenly going to buy a blue chip in round 5. Na, it's still going to be orange and/or red. I enjoy Tavers of Tiefental much more because despite also being really lucky you have way more room to make decisions with the dice you place. I'm not exactly hating Quacks but there's just better games around.

@@PaulSzkibik I have Taverns, but I didn't have a chance to play it yet. I hope we can play it soon!

@@markusbiewer2756 On that note, do consider to play with all modules right away, if not in the first game then definetely from the second game on. They're all very easy, don't add too much extra upkeep but do enrich the game greatly for me. (including varied starting deck per player instead of everyone starting with the same cards) While I like Tom Vasels reviews, he kind of underrated the game because he only ever played the very basic "family version" with the reason being, that he doesn't like it when the designer/publisher asks the players, what should be in the game "the modules" and so he skipped the modules on principle. I find the basic Taverns a bit bland and the modules feel like the actual game (a bit like "advanced" boards for Rajas of the Ganges, if you've ever played that one.) I think the decision for the modules was made, because it was the follow-up game to Quacks of Quedlinburg and the designer and/or publusher were afraid that lovers of Quack would bounce off Taverns because it's more complex so they made it more accessible as a "base game". It's definetely a flaw of the game, that it's not sure what kind of experience if wants to be, but I also think that Tom Vasel was too harsh on it because he didn't review the "actual game" in my mind. But in the end, it does depend on you. Taverns with all modules kind is meatier experience and maybe you're just not looking for that. In any case, do actually try out the modules. They are super easy to grasp and integrate.

@@PaulSzkibik Thanks for the advice, I will add the modules after our first few games!

It's too long for what it is, there's no player interaction, it's got too many fiddly in between round rules to make it an elegant family game. The production is nice and for some people having no player interaction makes it easier for them to play, but there are many better easy to play push your luck games

And that's why it's still going strong after 30 years, because it's a bad game design.. ;)

@@1AngelAlita Or it's going heavily based on its own momentum. Monopoly is going strong after nearly 100 years; I wouldn't call it good game design.

No, they need better audio. They all have mics, no reason a far away camera is recording the audio.

CC

It has captions…just tap CC.

Even the CC couldn't hear Camilla over the crowd at the end. 😂

​@@EfrainRiveraJuniorgreat comment

Underrated if anything in my opinion.

"Hmm...that's odd usually the blood gets off at the second floor"

Eldritch Horror

It's a pretty fun game, but I don't understand why it costs 150€. It's just sheets and tokens.

@@GrandElemental Lots of components, small-ish print runs.

​@@GrandElementaldare I say it, the makers know how to fleece nerds

​@@GrandElementalseems very easy to bootleg over a nice arts n craft-ernoon.

Yeah, i've already said this elsewhere in this thread but its odd to me Tom has spent years talking about his love of werewolf and hyping up werewolf and yet is spitefully refusing to play BotC because other people keep asking him to play it? Very odd attitude from one of the biggest and best know game reviewers out there. Especially one who has openly expressed their love for this very type of game.

I think the first two games of Great Western Trail kind of also didn't click for me at all. But then I just sorta started loving it. I think a game should grab you on the first time and if it doesn't... that's more the designers fault than the players. So that's a flaw of the game maybe, though obviously plenty of people are loving it. I think what "I" love about it is that everytime it's your turn you have to make very crunchy decisions that feel very different and will shape your next turns. I also love that you have to pay attention to what other players are doing because their decisions have a big impact on your own game but at the same time there isn't a lot of mean "take that" in the game. You CAN hire the cheap cowboy some else really wanted, sure, but it never feels mean, because you probably also need it and it's just on theme with the cutthroat nature of these businesses. There's also a lot of satisfaction in it for me, to hire a bunch of cowboys, conductors or builders and get extra stuff. I find the game offers a good amount of "tactility". So if you get to play often with friends, it's worth a shot to just give thise one a couple more tries to see if it suddenly clicks. But if every game night is precious and you only get to play more complex games like every two months or so, then it's absolutely understandable if you don't want to give games second/third chances. PS: The train is really important. Not sure what's confusing about it. The train is a marker for how well developed your own rail infrastructure is. If you leave it underdeveloped (read: you're never moving it forward), you're not investing into "infrastructure" and you'll always lose a lot of profit/money on your cattle sales because thematically you're having to pay extra to ship your cows to, say, New York.

Maybe people have long "forgotten" about it? May be a good thing if ya ask me.

I don't think it's over hyped though. It's properly hyped as a gateway game. I never really heard anyone raving about Catan personally.

You are aware of this thing called time, right? And what the word "Overrated" means. If you look at other videos they've done, 2012 was the first year they did a "top 100" video after he played it (his 2011 version was made before he was able to play Mage Knight for the first time) - and on that list it snuck into the list at #94 - with TEN other 2011 games ahead of it. For context, only 1 of those 10 games was still on the list in 2020/21. On top of that, of the 93 games ahead of it at that point, only 21 stuck around by 2020 (with 5 falling off the list in 2021 and another 2 in 2022 - so only 14 games of the 93 that would still be considered good enough to be top 100 material). By the next year, it had fallen out of the top 100 (along with about 10 better games) - and never got close again. in 2016 on the podcast they did a top 10 from 2011, and it was not on the list for either of them; he then did another one in Sept with a couple of differences - again, no mention (although he did at least say he knew other people really liked it). Then in 2021 they did another version, this time with Mandi - no mention again. So thats across the 3 lists, 16 games from a middling year (1 of his top 100 of all time in 2021 was from 2011; thats now 0) that he thought were better from 2011 with more time to think - a good game, sure, but not a great game Then you look at the bgg ratings - dropped to #34 now but was as high as #7 - doesn't really tally with someone who never thought it was anything other than a good, but not great, game from a middling year; definitely the word "overrated" seems to be more than justified

It's an okay game, not a great game. And it's U G L Y.

I'm mostly heavy games player and Kingdom Builder is top 10 all time game for me. It's basically as close as you can get to Go, but with less depth and quicker. If you want to hook people into playing Go, I would give them KB every time. So much game with such a simple premise. A masterpiece.

How do you reconcile that opinion with the draft format? Or using pre-made decks like Jumpstart? Buying pre-made commander decks with your friends?

MTG is a legend, the best proof that the game is good is that it's going strong as ever into 2024 after almost 30 years...

except Nemesis

I haven't watched it yet, but Res is one of the best games I've ever played. Haters going to hate

Don’t worry, if you like Race/Roll or San Juan, you’ll like Res Arcana.

I love it. Don’t let others spoil your fun without trying it yourself.

Furnace kinda does it better

@@realjon4220 apples and oranges, but both are amazing

I generally don’t like party games, but I like Just One. Would I prefer to play a “real” game, yes. But will I happily play Just One with my family? Also yes.