Enoch Powell on The Post-Imperialism Of Britain And India

Enoch Powell on The Post-Imperialism Of Britain And India | The Dick Cavett Show

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Broadcast from London, Dick Cavett questions British politician Enoch Powell about India's independence from Britain. Featuring British presenter Jonathan Miller.
Date aired - May 14th 1971 - Enoch Powell and Jonathan Miller
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@rubster1975 3 жыл бұрын

This was a time where it was still possible for two intellectuals to fundamentally disagree with eachother, without resorting to overshouting, bullying and luring eachother into rhetorical, one liner traps, like now is the norm. Very refreshing to watch.

@andyhalstead3949 Жыл бұрын

One intellectual

@mjh5437 Жыл бұрын

@@andyhalstead3949 lol,quite.

@thecrimsondragon9744 Ай бұрын

The genes and culture have been polluted, the IQs lowered significantly. Even intelligent British youths now glorify rap/gang culture from a particular foreign demographic who are far less intelligent than they are. When a society glorifies and glamorises ignorance and violence, it begins to embody those very things. The seeds of self-destruction have been sowed.

@CardinalBiggles01 3 жыл бұрын

Good grief. Even though Miller despised Powell (maybe vice versa), look at the respect and the honest engagement they both show each other. They are both actively listening and thinking about what one another are saying. Any chance we could have that today please? Edit Miller

@tzazella751 3 жыл бұрын

you said it yourself. miller DESPISED powell. and so the seeds of hatred and vitriol are sewn.

@patrickpaganini 3 жыл бұрын

No chance. Forget about respect - we don't even get to have a differing opinion these days.

@andypeterson3070 3 жыл бұрын

I'm afraid such times are in the history books unfortunately.

@andypeterson3070 3 жыл бұрын

@K F I've just got the word axiomatic defined and I agree with your point.

@stevebrindle1724 3 жыл бұрын

@@andypeterson3070 It's self-evident!

@karmicbacklash 2 жыл бұрын

Enoch Powell was an anomaly amongst politicians not only for his high intellect and uncommon insights, but for his honesty, even when the tide turned against him he was steadfast in his opinions. I have a huge amount of respect for that even if don't have the same level of respect for his politics.

@tomhidley6763 Жыл бұрын

That’s a fair point. Seems like a nasty bloke but I respect his honesty.

@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 Жыл бұрын

english identity is literally being co-opted and dissolved right infront of our eyes. Literally listen to his full speech spoken in wolverhampton. Not snippet, but the full speech and tell me if ANYTHING he said was untrue. he was prophetic and what england is losing is the very right to call itself a separate and unique identity in their own HOMELAND.

@fellspoint9364 Жыл бұрын

Enoch speaks the truth so eloquently that contemporary politicians would faint

@notsoaveragejoe7275 4 ай бұрын

Yes, classic racism justification. Just call anything someone says that is racist or xenophobic honest, and then pretend you've made a good point

@procc1983 4 ай бұрын

You are odd as well as average. You should meet my friend Even Steven.@@notsoaveragejoe7275

@pizzaDhut 3 жыл бұрын

"I suppose every generation has to recover from what it was taught in its youth"

@andypeterson3070 3 жыл бұрын

Lets hope today's does.

@nathaneivers8700 3 жыл бұрын

*cough* *cough* Christianity *cough*

@robjazer203 2 жыл бұрын

the indians have adopted a old english culture that the true english reject, also india fought for england in ww2 enoch did not want to admit in this clip.

@weignerleigner3037 2 жыл бұрын

@@nathaneivers8700 what’s wrong with Christianity?

@TheQuiQuestion 2 жыл бұрын

Never happened with the boomers though, did it?... Shame.

@Setnja92 3 жыл бұрын

I see, that the idea "Britain doesn't need to be (part of something) big, to be great" won after all.

@ianabroad Жыл бұрын

I have never heard this insightful perspective about Anglo / India relations and then so eloquently summed up in just five minutes.

@aadamkhan5217 Жыл бұрын

Germany/India relations? Anglo lol

@heishephaestion4178 2 ай бұрын

@@aadamkhan5217 clown response.

@ThePierre58 3 жыл бұрын

A man of extraordinary intellect. He scored a perfect score at Oxford, Double first in Classics. 100 percent in final exam. Learnt languages as a hobby, ending with Hebrew in his 75th year.

@davidbamford1971 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely I didn't agree with him on everything, in particular on his attitude to Ireland. However there is no denying his eloquence, or intelligence. He started his military career as a private, and by the end of the war ended up a brigadier. He spoke several languages, and was self taught in Portuguese, and Russian.

@fossehigh 3 жыл бұрын

No doubt about it he was an intellect. My parents were in his constituency in Wolverhampton in 1950s. They said he was a good MP for the area. Always wanting to do his best for the constituents. A strong sense of duty. To be honest apart from the “ rivers of blood speech” I don’t know anything else he said.

@alexreg 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidbamford1971 What was his attitude towards Ireland, out of curiosity?

@km99999 3 жыл бұрын

He knew sanskrit and spoke urdu.

@ThePierre58 3 жыл бұрын

@@km99999 Pashtu i think...i learned phrases while working with Pakistanis...

@briantaylor7743 3 жыл бұрын

Today he'd be a breath of fresh air . he makes sense

@jacquelineithell307 3 жыл бұрын

Yes sadly some people are born too soon if he had come along 30 years later what a impact we would of seen for the good of his wisdom Jackie

@cusmaancumar7356 2 жыл бұрын

He makes nonsense in this time and era.

@keithmockridge3329 3 жыл бұрын

How i would have loved to meet this incredible politician.

@richardbethell2243 2 жыл бұрын

Loved seeing Mr Powell visit my village when I was a young lad, wonderful man and one real British gent-born english and always will be-my mums teacher Ms Mary Whithouse was the same in life as Mr Powell (Britain first) as both loved chatting over nice pot of tea with some of my family back in the 70-80's Bless Enoch

@MANCHESTER.IS.BLUE.49 5 ай бұрын

The way he explained that was just brilliant...he makes a complicated subject sound so simple..

@craiglittle1437 Жыл бұрын

Lovely tone to his voice, always spoke his mind eloquently. Remarkable man.

@nathandougal9361 6 ай бұрын

I could listen to him all day

@eusebiothomas2481 2 жыл бұрын

What a giant. Feel privileged to have seen him in the 60's and 70's. Today's parasites have no comparison whatsoever in any way or form.

@kingkonut Жыл бұрын

Absolutely fascinating and impressive man.

@Emsie76 3 жыл бұрын

Serious class back then. No personal insults. Proper English. As it was. Before multiculturalism. RIP Enoch.

@jonathanharker4403 2 жыл бұрын

Multiculturalism was introduced by Blair who opened the floodgates to the entire world. You even have white Brits speaking with multicultural accents nowadays, whereas thirty years ago all ethnic groups in the UK spoke with a proper British accent.

@ajarnwordsmith628 Жыл бұрын

Multiculturalism? Ah, I see that you are a "little Englander". If you have an overseas empire, the chickens might come home to roost...

@hewen8199 3 жыл бұрын

A politician you could disagree with and respect at the same time. Where have they gone?

@jumpingjackd1487 3 жыл бұрын

Britain has good political leaders. Its a myth to say otherwise. We should avoid beating down the political leadership. brexit showed that the UK has a healthy political debate, even though at times it went a bit crazy!

@pizzaboy3946 3 жыл бұрын

@@jumpingjackd1487 Teresa May was no good example of a political leader.

@danielkrcmar5395 3 жыл бұрын

@@jumpingjackd1487 I've no idea who you've been watching our who you're comparing them to if you think we still have political leaders of the caliber of 40-50+ years ago.

@109joiner 3 жыл бұрын

@@pizzaboy3946 She seemed a decent enough person to me.

@rctube1958 3 жыл бұрын

The respect or the politician?

@archiebald4717 3 жыл бұрын

Powell was a great intellect, so wise and so precient..

@budte Жыл бұрын

The greatest prime minister we never had. And his dire predictions about unassimilated migration to the UK have proven sadly profound.

@BedlamsBluff 3 жыл бұрын

For Nigel Farage or any right-wing politician to be compared to Mr Powell is a great compliment for them, and a great disservice to him. He was the type of man with the type of convictions and ability to articulate them that we sorely lack in the present day.

@jumpingjackd1487 3 жыл бұрын

Nigel Farage changed Britain for good though his campaign against the EU. Powell remained on the sidelines watching Britain change for good, the UK join the Common Market and India leave the UK's orbit. Therefore, Farage is the better politician. He brought numbers and immigration, the EU back to the centre stage without racialist tensions.

@cyngaethlestan8859 3 жыл бұрын

@@jumpingjackd1487 Sir. Mr Powel foresaw the direction of the then E.E.C. and debated strongly and clearly against staying in it during the referendum. (there is a good clip on youtube.) No one man can turn the tide alone but Mr Powel spoke against the weight of opinion when no one else would on many subjects, (NOT just immigration or the E.E.C.) Mr Farage has his place in history as does Mr Powel, neither will be forgotten.

@samuelmurdock5767 3 жыл бұрын

@@jumpingjackd1487 he was sidelined by Heath, jealous of Powell's abilities

@tubit9 3 жыл бұрын

@@jumpingjackd1487 Without Enoch Powell , Nigel Farage would not have been able to persuade enough people to vote leave . The ignored people of the north who have suffered so much from mass immigration for the past 50 years which saw their chance to stuff the ruling classes from the southern part of this country and took it with both hands .

@ryanv3015 2 жыл бұрын

@@jumpingjackd1487 The Conservative backbenchers played a far greater role than that stockbroker.

@rangedlime 3 жыл бұрын

My goodness what a remarkable man

@subu150390 2 жыл бұрын

As an Indian, I agree with Enoch. Wish we had honest guys like him today.

@wordimobi5765 Жыл бұрын

Well said. Empires are not simplistic entities, there are positives and negatives for both the coloniser and colonised. The British were colonised themselves by Romans, Saxons, Vikings and Normans, yet they do not view this experience historically as a negative, particularly with regard to Rome. Powell appreciates this complexity, Miller's analysis is the simplistic and historically ignorant anti-European argument that dominates today, contributing as it does to Western civilisation's collapse.

@subu150390 Жыл бұрын

@@wordimobi5765 Thanks. While I agree with Mr.Powell, I don't quite agree with your analogy. The britsh Raj happened after the industrial revolution and Renaissance. Therefore the various excesses of the British can't be whitewashed by comparing it with the Saxon rule which was at a time in human history where barbarians were the norm.

@justinpals124 Жыл бұрын

YOUR NOT A INDIAN..... YOUR A TWO BIT PHONY... BRITIAN DESERVED TO LOSE INDIA AND ALL OF HER COLONIES..... IT'S GREAT SEEING BRITIAN BECOMING DIVERSE BY ALL OF HER FORMER COLONIES.....

@Prometheus7272 Жыл бұрын

@@subu150390 Question who started the industrial revolution?

@subu150390 Жыл бұрын

@@Prometheus7272 That rhetorical does'nt have anything to do with what we're discussing.

@Arareemote 25 күн бұрын

I recommend to any folks watching this to go look up some of Enoch's writings on India. He was deeply taken and besotted by the country and his time there during the war. His recollections in writing highlight in him a sense of moving and heartfelt sincerity you'd think alien having heard the portraits of him painted today.

@patrickdoyle9304 3 жыл бұрын

There's no way anything as interesting and intelligent as this would be given 10s on american chat shows these days

@bradavon 3 жыл бұрын

You know Powell was deeply racist, no question right?

@janetcalderwood6385 3 жыл бұрын

@@bradavon no he wasn't he was spot on nt racist

@bradavon 3 жыл бұрын

@@janetcalderwood6385 show me a racist who agrees they're racist?

@dagdom1280 3 жыл бұрын

@@bradavon what is very interesting is that in the 1950’s Powell was one of the greatest voices about equality and the ending of British Dominance rule and theory that they were superior to others in the world. This was best described by his speech upon the Hola Camp massacre. It was even described by Lord Dennis Healey as the most stupendous speech he had heard given as the rhetorical and intellectual language flowed the speech on as an act of pure oratory genius.

@bradavon 3 жыл бұрын

@@dagdom1280 seems that's similar to many Brits views on Churchill. He's loved, particularly by the rights, despite having those superiority views.

@johnwilson-tq9gr Жыл бұрын

what a great visionary enoch was a true politician

@Incessuserro 3 жыл бұрын

We are in great need of such men today.

@chibuo4733 3 жыл бұрын

To keep would-be colonists and white supremacists tf out of their countries! NEVER AGAIN..!!

@Incessuserro 3 жыл бұрын

@@chibuo4733 Eventually the White Man will return as the dark skinned peoples are unable to govern themselves yet are in possession of valuable natural resources and strategic chokepoints. But, don't worry, the White Man is a benevolent colonizer and their countries will benefit as they did before.

@philipmanchester5095 3 жыл бұрын

Im sure you know very well that many former colonial subjects lament that their countries became hideously corrupt and inefficient upon independence and that's why so many of them wish to move to the mother country.

@elizabethannegrey6285 2 жыл бұрын

He was absolutely correct about Britain and the EU. The reverberations of Brexit are continuing to this day (year 2022).

@stevojames1813 Жыл бұрын

A man who stood on the shoulders of all those Great British Men and Women who came before him. Tragically those who followed him have not been able to able to reach such heights. All too many of today's academics and politicians are intellectual pygmies, lightweight, shallow and vacuous!

@sharnistevens1428 2 жыл бұрын

Love him or hate him, I could listen to Enoch Powell all day... he has lots of valuable ideas to share, whether they be correct or incorrect, they are thought provoking.

@SagaciousFrank Жыл бұрын

He was an intellectual giant, especially compared to the drek in places of power now.

@ShahidKhan-ke8fe Жыл бұрын

what do you think of Rishi Sunak as Prime Minister? I bet Enoch wouldn't approve.

@mjh5437 Жыл бұрын

@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe Sunak is nothing but a Tony Blair mk2.

@nicholasmartin297 Жыл бұрын

@@mjh5437 He even sounds like him. Probably deliberately.

@johkupohkuxd1697 Жыл бұрын

@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe Sunak is a posh brit lol. He and his family assimilated wonderfully. If his color or genetics is a problem then may god help you.

@billybronco4223 3 жыл бұрын

Whatever your view on his politics Enoch Powell was undoubtedly an intellectual giant. Although poles apart politically from Tony Benn they were both deeply suspicious of the European project both believing it was undemocratic.

@chibuo4733 3 жыл бұрын

A bit like colonialism and empire right? Wrong, you get to choose whether to join, on which terms and play and active role in the decision making - sounds like democracy (on an international level) to me. Colonialism and empire on the other hand, hmmm...

@adamc9058 3 жыл бұрын

@@chibuo4733 - Indian widows would still be burnt alive if not for the Brits 🙌🏻

@andrewspence7635 3 жыл бұрын

Because the EU is undemocratic they are a law unto themselves . Who in their right mind thinks the EU is democratic. The treaty of Rome is destined for failure .

@chad0x 3 жыл бұрын

an intellectual minnow, preying on the weaknesses of the feeble minded

@billybronco4223 3 жыл бұрын

@@chad0x Powell graduated from Cambridge with a double first and was a professor by the age of 25. Yes a real intellectual minnow.

@d.marques4700 2 ай бұрын

Enoch Powell is a Hero to an increasing number of British Patriots! He had the courage to say what had to be said!... This man deserves our full RESPECT!

@martinbennett9578 3 жыл бұрын

Enoch, a brilliant intellect.

@nathaneivers8700 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliantly racist. His speech to Parliament warned immigration would lead to the "River Tiber foaming with much blood"

@iancharlton678 2 жыл бұрын

@@nathaneivers8700 a lazy and inaccurate portrayal of a great and inspirational man. Read up on his history…. read his speech in its entirety, in its context. It was then and remains popular to hurl the term racist at anyone you don’t agree with, without a true understanding of what they said or meant. A racist wouldn’t learn to speak Urdu, Greek, Welsh and Portuguese…. fluently, if wasn’t passionate about the world and all races in it.

@jimmytwotimes2275 2 жыл бұрын

@mrogrady2227 2 жыл бұрын

@@jimmytwotimes2275 go get the papers

@plasticpaddy985 2 жыл бұрын

@@nathaneivers8700 Even if you're convinced this is what he is, he'll still have 10 times the value that you ever will in terms of his intellect and perspective.

@johnrushworth360 2 жыл бұрын

A most eloguent speaker, we will never see his like again, rest in peace

@katalac 2 жыл бұрын

I ,myself prefer Jonathan Miller

@AJR-vn2um 3 жыл бұрын

Enoch would be very popular today

@Costa_del_Artlepool 3 ай бұрын

Not in London, Birmingham, Leicester, Luton, Bradford, Rotherham etc

@scroopynooperz9051 3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating discussions between articulate, well read and historically knowledgeable individuals. Diverging views between them but no animosity to speak of. Why can't we have this kind of media and talkshows on the mainstream anymore?

@andypeterson3070 3 жыл бұрын

Because people today have a different mentality to those back then.

@jamesanthony5681 2 жыл бұрын

I suppose we could have this kind of discussion but it would have to be on a podcast. I know of two (2) individuals, both almost 60 years old and college educated, who up until 10 years ago had never heard of Joseph Stalin. How does that happen? That's an extreme, but history isn't taught like it was 50+ years ago.

@budweiser600 2 жыл бұрын

If I could give one message from 2022, Enoch Powell is right, and a hero! Listen to him, else you'll find yourself in a hellish replacement dystopia.

@mjh5437 Жыл бұрын

Too late,we`re already there.

@dixie8418 9 ай бұрын

The discourse is merely discourse and not about being right or wrong. Being right or wrong is only for the audience to decide. But their ability is sure an admirable quality to those of two combatants in world-class championships.

@whitefridgefreezer5270 3 жыл бұрын

He could see into the future, what a top bloke.

@ysaviationtrains2313 3 жыл бұрын

It was Britain's FAULT for colonizing other countries. That's why it happened. Also without us, progress from WWII would have been on an all time low.

@EJisArete 3 жыл бұрын

@@ysaviationtrains2313 So what you are saying is the the British citizen needs to pay for the bad deeds of it's elites? Cold hearted and spiteful thinking that.

@ysaviationtrains2313 3 жыл бұрын

@@EJisArete No it isn't horrible for a country that enslaved nearly half of the world. Britain was in tatters after ww2. You needed us people from the Commonwealth to help you. So stop crying about immigration from ex colonies. I know this because I am originally from Pakistan and my dad's side of the family have been here since the 1970s.

@EJisArete 3 жыл бұрын

@@ysaviationtrains2313 Civilized half the world you heathen.

@ysaviationtrains2313 3 жыл бұрын

@@EJisArete Ah yes. Typical Colonialist behaviour by using the word 'civilised'. Read up history about the empire then come back to argue about immigration.

@saltydog1944 Жыл бұрын

What I also notice, is that they are very civil. A civil conversation where they are not interrupting eachother all the time and they are not shouting. And nowadays you see what has become. People are affraid of the truth and rather hear a beautiful lie than the hard truth. People cannot accept eachothers opinion and everyone wants to be right. I see this is mostly part of the left and progressive way of thinking. Shout as hard as you can so nobody can hear what the other person has to say.

@davidmccann9811 7 күн бұрын

I agree, but it's the same on both the left and right. Both sides get hysterical if they hear an opposing view and try to silence those views with childish insults.

@suzie7573 Жыл бұрын

God bless you Enoch. A man with intelligence dignity and most of all truth for the love of his people and his country.loving your country and Your people is never ever a crime. Ever.

@trackdusty 8 ай бұрын

So true. And bless you for saying it. What a man! If he'd prevailed, we'd still have our nations.

@eddieingalls534 3 жыл бұрын

It is sad to think so many today will listen to Powell and think he is speaking an entirely different language as his ability to think so quickly and eloquently is unique - to the point he had to be destroyed because his intelligence was feared, as was his deep respect among the people, opponents and supporters alike.

@jakeb4221 3 жыл бұрын

Watch Odd One Out if you haven’t already - a Cockerell documentary on his extraordinary life. Superb

@Ernest-From-England 3 жыл бұрын

Please keep uploading these!

@Grail_Knight Жыл бұрын

I have never agreed more with a politician

@vinylisland6386 3 жыл бұрын

I like the depth of thought and the attempt by both men to find some real truth behind each other's contrary assertions.

@EthanFN123 5 ай бұрын

This brother is getting more correct every day

@sacredsoma 3 жыл бұрын

Enoch was gold

@willg.6168 3 жыл бұрын

White gold?

@Quickxphos 3 жыл бұрын

@@willg.6168 That's a word for cocaine

@Quickxphos 3 жыл бұрын

@Rocknrolladube Amazing point

@Bhead69 3 жыл бұрын

Clever man

@hughcalder6156 3 жыл бұрын

This conversation would of been better if it was done in Urdu (with subtitles.) Then we wouldn't have to listen Mr. Miller as Enoch could speak it effortlessly and his love for India is well known. All the facts about Mr. Powell are impressive. His mother taught him Greek when he was twelve.. double first from Cambridge.. Volunteered for the army in WW11 .. joined as a Private and left as a brigadier, his list of achievements goes on .. Just imagine where we would be today and if he was our PRIME MINISTER then and if we never joined the EU ..

@jonsimmons4150 2 жыл бұрын

100% the downfall of the uk was not having enoch as prime minister

@vcs00railway84 3 ай бұрын

My father, who was Indian but moved to the UK shortly after Independence in the late 1940s, wrote to Enoch expressing support of his views regarding India and its independence

@somethingyousaid5059 3 жыл бұрын

He looks a lot like the late actor Robert Shaw in the face.

@wetlazer 3 жыл бұрын

"He looks like Robert Shaw, in the face." As opposed to ... ? Lolls.

@somethingyousaid5059 3 жыл бұрын

Wth? There's no "as opposed to" to it. He looks like Robert Shaw in the face. It begins and ends there.

@wetlazer 3 жыл бұрын

@@somethingyousaid5059 Jesus! OF course if he looks like SOMEONE, ANYONE he looks like them, in the face. Sorry you're too slow to understand the point.

@somethingyousaid5059 3 жыл бұрын

@@wetlazer I understand that a human being has more than just a face. That's why I specified his face (as opposed to his hair which doesn't look like Robert Shaw's did when he was alive).

@wetlazer 3 жыл бұрын

@@somethingyousaid5059 My my, you're a humorless fellow, aren't you? Still, thanks for UNDERLINING my original comment. Hahaha.

@azadrasheed497 3 жыл бұрын

I've had the fortune to listen to some great debates in The House of Commons.When it became known that Enoch Powell,Michael Foot,Tony Benn,would b speaking the House quickly was soon full. The Hansard is a treasure of brilliant oratory.Heath's anti hanging speech,Enoch Powell's exposure of the horrors committed by the British Army in Kenya,. Looming is the great man himself is Churchill..Hansard is not boring.Some libraries do have them.

@philipmanchester5095 3 жыл бұрын

Powell's speech on Kenya does not fit with how the left portray him...

@georgemorley1029 3 жыл бұрын

Right on Europe, right on immigration, right on Post-imperialism.

@andypeterson3070 3 жыл бұрын

Enoch you tried your best pal...there was no more that you could have done. RIP old friend to the indigenous British people.

@startmakingsense2071 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry other races upset you

@andypeterson3070 3 жыл бұрын

@@startmakingsense2071 It's not about them upsetting me. It's about not wanting millions coming here to live and our cultural identity being lost. London is not recognized as being the capitol of England any more in appearance and it shouldn't be like that. I'm talking about sheer numbers that don't appear to be slowing down. Ask anyone from Poland, Pakistan, Nigeria, China, Brazil or Russia if they would like the same transformation with immigration that we have had in our major UK cities and I bet the far majority of them would say no.

@billmitchell1955 3 жыл бұрын

Monty Python Life of Brian. "What did the Romans do for us?"

@jumpingjackd1487 3 жыл бұрын

Did you read up on the painstaking research done by economist Angus Maddison and the counter arguments Tim Worstall ?

@joshmccollen700 3 жыл бұрын

I had the same thought.

@andrewjacks2716 3 жыл бұрын

What the British did for India was completely remake the Indian economy into a structure built specifically for the extraction of resources for export to the UK. India's present status as an "underdeveloped state" is due to their under-development by Britain.

@joshmccollen700 3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewjacks2716 No. Britain introduced an entire canon of modernity to India including modern economics.

@andrewjacks2716 3 жыл бұрын

@@joshmccollen700 Yeah, the British introduced modern economic thought to India. That's not the same thing as actually benefiting the Indian economy, or the lives of those in India. Just to give a quick and dirty example of how British rule completely destabilized the Indian economy, take the destruction of Indian handicrafts. Without the patronage of the old Indian princely courts, and with the competition from industrially produced goods from the UK, Indian artisans were thrown out of work very rapidly. This destroyed the production of manufactured goods in India, a process supported by British economic policy as it was seen as beneficial to treat their colonial subjects as a source for raw materials and as a market for finished goods, the net result of which was the mass transfer of wealth from the subcontinent to the Britain. Further, the masses of Indian people thrown out of work with little other options created a substantial pool of labor to employ in the production of raw materials (e.g. cotton and indigo) and luxury goods (e.g. tea) for British commerce. This came at the expense of food production, as it was more profitable for landowners to produce non-food agricultural products than it was to produce food. As a consequence, massive famines became a widespread and common occurrence in India. The cumulative effect of all this is that India at the time of independence was a poor agrarian economy highly dependent on the export of agricultural products, and subject to the economic instability that entails. While India was obviously already an agrarian economy before British rule, British rule created and exacerbated conditions which caused the mass impoverishment of the subcontinent.

@davidashley4386 3 жыл бұрын

Just WoW ! A very interesting man

@stevehazam9991 3 ай бұрын

WHAT A BRILLIANT ORATOR AND HIGHLY INTELLIGENT STATESMAN, IF ONLY PEOPLE HAD LISTENED TO HIM 50 YEARS A AGO WHAT A COUNTRY WE WOULD HAVE TODAY . SUCH A SHAME HE WAS DISMISSED IN SUCH A CRUEL MANNER.

@FordTransitvan 5 ай бұрын

Brilliant man. Sadly right about the UK's future.

@crayzmarc 3 жыл бұрын

Miss this guy. He would be shocked at what this once great nation has become!

@tubit9 3 жыл бұрын

He knew very well how the future would pan out and it has all come to pass and is already far worse than Enoch envisaged , but it will not end until this country is completely destroyed , the choice is take it or leave it and so many will take the latter option over the next few years , I know I will .

@andypeterson3070 3 жыл бұрын

@@tubit9 Yeah it's such a shame that the traditional UK has gone forever.

@crayzmarc 3 жыл бұрын

@@tubit9 it would be wrong and misplaced though to direct our anger at those who have come here from abroad to seek a better life as well as to contribute. Those who do though come here just to play the system and take advantage of it should be punished but the mistake we have made is let consecutive governments take power that haven't had a clue or even deliberately created the environment we now live in. The straw that broke the camel's back obviously was Blair. But while we are too busy fighting one another it just allows those in charge to take even more power. Scary times.

@MeinemLeben Жыл бұрын

He would now probably say "I warned you, however no one listened"

@trackdusty 8 ай бұрын

@@MeinemLeben Plenty listened and acted but they were suppressed by the cowardly majority of the ruling elite.

@doctorsocrates4413 Жыл бұрын

Enoch was correct about the french colonies imposing french on those colonies...most north african nations today have french as their official second language and even place names are of french origin.

@senianns9522 Жыл бұрын

An interviewer that actually listens to his guests replying to the questions that have been asked! Those were the days!

@user-zd7nr7ez1t 3 жыл бұрын

Wow!

@frankienamosaki7547 3 жыл бұрын

I am not questioning his sincerity (that much) but its still a very romantic view of British colonialism...

@md-nv4rg 3 жыл бұрын

i seriously doubt he holds that view in his personal life. Here it works very well for him because ,using it, he can tip toe around all the criticism that he couldn't otherwise address directly when talking about this subject

@frankienamosaki7547 3 жыл бұрын

Haha not. Married her mom, married her dad lol! You get the point...

@tgrahamandrews5679 3 жыл бұрын

We need a person like him today

@jonsimmons4150 2 жыл бұрын

It will never happen. Enoch was the benchmark that all politicians should be gauged.

@pamclarke6785 Жыл бұрын

Agree

@PabloCruise1 Жыл бұрын

He would be cancelled.

@nutsbutdum 3 жыл бұрын

Enoch Powell was opposed to British imperialism(i.e. conquering and subjugating other countries and cultures) and still he was called xenophobic and racist. Are you starting to see the lie now?

@yvetteloach8617 3 жыл бұрын

If only they had listened to what he was trying to say. It’s still the same now, perhaps even worse because there is literally no hope, the damage has been done and there is nothing we can do about it.

@startmakingsense2071 3 жыл бұрын

@@yvetteloach8617 I have much hope. You sound bitter

@yvetteloach8617 3 жыл бұрын

Probably but there is nothing I can do about the situation.

@raymarsh5455 Жыл бұрын

I have witnessed court cases, and the pity is that KZfaq never gives you both sides. It edits out anything that threatens the interests of big money... "Every child has to recover from what he was taught in school." - Great quote.

@OnlyDChannel Жыл бұрын

Best Prime Minister we never had.

@mikey2363 3 жыл бұрын

Ahhh conversation. I miss this.

@adambulewski165 5 ай бұрын

Definitely. We need that now.

@jazzkatt7083 4 күн бұрын

These two gentlemen elevate the English language and civil discourse to an art.😊

@markmorrid8144 9 ай бұрын

The greatest PM we never had.

@mjh5437 Жыл бұрын

Powell always looked immaculate,nothing like the slovenly slack-jawed ineloquent goons who pass for politcians now.

@davidmccann9811 7 күн бұрын

Why vote for them then?

@dineojennifer8233 3 жыл бұрын

The point he makes about the British eagerness to join the EEC is beautifully discussed in one of the episodes of the now defunct but once popular and intelligent sitcom called Yes Minister/Yes Prime Minister, where one character explains the strategic intent that informed the move, which was to stop the emergence of a strong European power by simply keeping the continent divided and distracted. The same reasoning, he went further, lied behind that amophous thing (my words, not his) called the UN. Mass participation there means greater opportunity to keep countries bickering over false issues. British Empire dead? No sir. On the contrary...

@petersinclair8718 3 жыл бұрын

Nice to hear a politician heard. Sadly the reporters now won't let the politicians speak on their shoes thry shout them down instead. They would do well to learn from these interviews.

@adsie79 3 жыл бұрын

He was right about the EU. "Refuse to be merged into something." These people were so right and yet they were ridiculed the whole time.

@donaldduck7461 3 жыл бұрын

The E.U is a Zionist organisation

@donaldduck7461 3 жыл бұрын

@@edwardgeorge401 Excellent, at last someone who’s aware.

@patrickdoyle9304 3 жыл бұрын

Early days. Let's see where u are in 5 years

@toast2610 3 жыл бұрын

"Refuse to be merged into something." but then to continue the thought... "force others to merge with your something." In other words.. make colonies of others, don't join someone else's empire. The sheer hypocrisy is so utterly brilliant.

@donaldduck7461 3 жыл бұрын

@ENGLISH KNIGHT Ashkenazi- wake up you plum! They rule us

@stockgorilla4999 Жыл бұрын

As an Indian I agree with powells statements

@yidfromfive9783 3 жыл бұрын

This man was right about our Country! Time to take it back!

@startmakingsense2071 3 жыл бұрын

From whom? The Huguenots? The Normans? The Anglo-Saxons? The Beaker Folk?

@matthewbrooker 3 жыл бұрын

Such important context reaching out across the generations...cheers Miller, Powell and Cavett all!

@robertburke2246 7 ай бұрын

Mr Powell absolutely adored India, i have been there once, what a beautiful country.

@joshmccollen700 3 жыл бұрын

Powell is supposed to be one of the "bad" guys of history. But he seems terribly reasonable in hindsight.

@inco9943 3 жыл бұрын

... how about his rivers of blood speech that incited countless instances of violence

@emperorleachy6435 3 жыл бұрын

@@inco9943 Very based

@danielkrcmar5395 3 жыл бұрын

@@inco9943 He didn't call for our incite any violence. You can't blame him for something someone else did of their own volition.

@inco9943 3 жыл бұрын

@@danielkrcmar5395 ... stupid idea.. that way someone could be blameless for something they caused.. e.g. trump recently with the storming of the capitol. Powell knew what he was doing

@danielkrcmar5395 3 жыл бұрын

@@inco9943 He didn't call for it, incite it or infact go outside the limits of the 1st Amendment. He repeatedly said to respect the police and follow the law. He put a statement out which said to go home which was taken down for "incitement to violence"... a statement saying respect police and go home was incitement!? People have their own agency, if you say one thing and someone take it as another way and does something it's not the fault of the speaker otherwise we're going to end up in a place where no one can say a thing because it will incite someone somewhere.

@sidhartharaj9852 Жыл бұрын

It was Indian's virtue to assimilate with british not the other way around.

@shellsbignumber2 3 жыл бұрын

Enoch the visionary.

@mjh5437 Жыл бұрын

We don`t need a crystal ball to see how mass immigration from uncivilised countries to civilised ones will end....Neither then nor now.

@dartharpy9404 6 ай бұрын

Thanks

@2catchapred 4 күн бұрын

Sadly a wonderful person we do not have now

@marcotee709 3 жыл бұрын

Miller was disappointed he couldn't get Powell to disagree with him so he can shout 'racist'. He had to just sink back in his seat, gently nodding his head.

@jumpingjackd1487 3 жыл бұрын

nonsense...

@maxwellfan55 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant comment, you are quite right. Powell was too well informed through experience and learning, and highly articulate.

@ethancoffey3491 3 жыл бұрын

Am I missing something? He seemed to make a good point about how the Indians aren’t appealed to in the same way

@maxwellfan55 3 жыл бұрын

@@ethancoffey3491 Yes, you are missing some, if I understand your question. Read up a bit on Powell, you may be surprised.

@donaldduck7461 3 жыл бұрын

Miller was part of the little hat brigade & that brigade invented the word Racist.

@suzie7573 Жыл бұрын

Loving and patriotism for one's country and people is never a crime. God bless ya Enoch. X

@suzie7573 Жыл бұрын

God bless all those of our Beloved Britain and our beloved people who know the truth that have the heart and furious fighting ancestry to agree with the TRUTH. MAY GOD GUIDE YOU FOR EVER. AMEN. XX

@delmanpronto9374 10 ай бұрын

nazis would wholeheartedly agree with your statement.

@Random_Blip 9 ай бұрын

@@delmanpronto9374But cômmies wouldn't.

@Random_Blip 9 ай бұрын

Agreed. Patriotism/Loyalty is a virtue.

@delmanpronto9374 9 ай бұрын

@@Random_Blip But nazis would.

@mythicaltears 2 жыл бұрын

Why are not today's politician's anywhere near this? I mean the eloquence, the intellect etc. Today's politician's are not politician's. They are self centered prime who care about nothing but themselves.

@jgrantsf 4 ай бұрын

Would like to see that show with the British school children.

@tzazella751 3 жыл бұрын

at first i thought powell was the english actor, brian aherne lol

@ifragpsn6431 3 жыл бұрын

Yooooo this dude predicted Brexit before Britain even joined the EU: "... or at any rate, be all the time refusing to be merged in it. And there's not much future in that." And that's exactly what happened even though it seems like this guy got basically savaged by the media. Makes you wonder which current popular movements will fail the test of time.

@harmlessdrudge 3 жыл бұрын

06:46 Miller talks about government by consent and demonstrates his ignorance of Indian history. Did the Indian people ever choose a government before the Raj? Democracy and representative government was completely unknown in India before the British scheme of educating Indians produced an Indian intelligentsia. Clement Attlee made this point when he said that when educated Indians criticised the Raj and demanded democratic self-government, they were articulating Western ideals that the British had taught them. Before the British created a liberal intelligentsia in India, no Indian thought autocracy was wrong.

@jumpingjackd1487 3 жыл бұрын

yes, correct. Britain introduced European liberalism in to India, and India was not a democratic state of any form before Britain either. You are also right that Indians were not familiar to the modern form of government and common law which Britain introduced. However, the question isn't that. The question is how Indians felt being connected to England in a way that British foreign policy goals in Asia and Africa could be achieved whilst the economic conditions of the large part of the population worsened between 1870 and 1947 [in 1870 the US overtook India as a bigger economy]. For example, Britain declared war on behalf of people who had no political dispute with Kaiser Willhelm II. Its like India declaring war on Oman or Burma today, and then declaring war on behalf of Britain and taking British army in to Burma or Oman for Indian policy goals. Also during Imperial times, cheap raw materials was sent to Britain from India and those products was sold back to the Indian market at a profit. Its also very well known that Indian tax payers paid for projects like the railways based on triple market value of goods so that the manufactures in England could make huge profits. Moreover the best example is that Churchill could never have been able to take grain from famine hit Bengal (a decision which killed 3 million Bengalis in a matter of months). India was nothing more than a cash cow for Britain's products and services. Prof. Angus Maddison had done a lot of research on global GDP which you can take a look at if interested.

@histman3133 3 жыл бұрын

@@jumpingjackd1487 In regards to the Bengal Famine of 1943 I hope you aren't suggesting that Churchill had in anyway orchestrated a deliberate genocide of the Bengal peoples because if so then that is completely inaccurate. Yes I would go far as to say that Churchill had perhaps exacerbated it but the issue of the Famine goes far beyond the simplistic notion that it was carried out because the Indians were brown and then The End. The issue of the Famine was a direct result of both natural disasters and corruption taking place on a local level as well as the fact the Japanese had submarines operating in the Bay of Bengal and in that made the topic of food shipments that much more difficult.

@histman3133 3 жыл бұрын

@@jumpingjackd1487 Because it is my understanding that the crisis in Bengal was discussed at home and that shipments of food such as wheat and barley were to be deployed from all across the Empire including Australia and Iraq and......Canada if I'm not mistaken.

@jumpingjackd1487 3 жыл бұрын

@@histman3133 Genocide can never be attributed to a famine, so no I would say no to that. However, the prime minister of Britain was the de-facto prime minister of Bengal as well, and had direct moral and legal responsibility for the citizens of Bengal like they did with Scotland or Northern Ireland (Bengalis were subjects of the King-Emperor) . The causes of the famine is a debate and requires further analysis before any conclusions can be drawn (if any can be at all). The Woodhouse Commission and also Prof. Amartya Sen argue that War conditions led to the famine like you suggest, but there is a growing pool of research, highlighted by Dr Sashi Tharoor, who have discovered that famine hit Bengal was was devastated by policy. Think about for a minute what you just said "I would go far as to say that Churchill had perhaps exacerbated it" Would any british prime minister have been able to treat Yorkshire or Northern England in such a way? Not a chance is my argument.

@histman3133 3 жыл бұрын

@@jumpingjackd1487 Well famine technically can be attributed to genocide if the famine is deliberate. Meaning that if the policies that led to them were implemented with the intention of destroying a group of people slowly through the process of hunger. If a naval port is blockaded or if a city is surrounded by an enemy force with the express desire of killing those inside with both disease and hunger then I would agree that there is a degree of truth to the fact that genocide can implemented under the guise of a famine. The Holodomor was a policy of extermination through famine and Soviet collectivisation. The Third Reich's Generalplan Ost with the intended victory over the Soviet Union was to enact a policy of deliberate famine against the Slavic peoples with the hope of depopulating large swaths of Eastern Europe. Yes that is true that Bengal was an imperial possession and that Churchill was the Prime Minister as well I do agree that policy had played an important role in famine also. To what extent is a matter of debate. As well the statement that would any British Prime Minister would have been able to treat any other possession in such a way? Well it depends on what you mean by this. Does this only extend as far as England and Scotland? The Irish had a potato famine in the 1840s. Now this wasn't a deliberate policy set out by the state to kill Irishman but when the opportunity for say the Ottoman Sultan Abdülmecid donated £1,000 to famine relief the British administration allegedly attempted to block the ships. I mean in this case the Irish are just as white as an Englishman or a Scot. I wouldn't boil issue simplistically to the notion that because they were brown they were somehow mattered less.

@heishephaestion4178 2 ай бұрын

Truly in awe of a time past.

@lifelongbachelor3651 3 жыл бұрын

a great man.

@zofe 3 жыл бұрын

In every society the feelings of identity and belonging are being manipulated nonetheless in the military.

@RockyStJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Now try to imagine this conversation happening on Stephen Colbert.

@MrLee-gj2jz 9 ай бұрын

1:32 Indo-British Empire? Really? Powell lost his mind when the Empire ended prematurely and his dream of becoming Viceroy got gunned down.

@charlesmaximus9161 3 жыл бұрын

3:30 Spot-on.

@nstix2009xitsn 3 жыл бұрын

What an amazing, excellent man. You know, he was a classicist.

@jimjiminyjaroo300 3 жыл бұрын

It’s very interesting to hear the opinions of a British imperialist. Growing up in Britain in the late 70’s and 80’s I was taught nothing of empire. There’s much ignorance, hence Britain being the mess it is in now. We brushed it under the carpet.

@cyngaethlestan8859 3 жыл бұрын

Mr Powel was an Anti-Imperialist

@jdlc903 2 жыл бұрын

What mess are you referring to? How is it caused by your ignorance of the British empire

@vizveebee Ай бұрын

That guy on the left said that he wasn't giving the view from the Indians side, but that is wrong, he started off by saying it was not a British empire it was an Indo-British empire, or words to that effect, and was highlighting the great input of Indian knowledge and heirarchy.