Thank you for the effort you put in. I must say following the story as presented here; now makes way more sense. Personally the New War was underwhelming and I felt it was kind of pointless but after watching this and realising the information that came out of it, lets just say that I should have paid more attention. 😅 Now I'm kind of hyped again for the next big quest that'll lead us on this merry path of dicovery.

I need a Quest that makes me feel like The Second Dream again

In the now removed Paradox choice at the beginning of the game, Lotus said something suspicious. "Both paths will converge and you will hear HIS voice that none have heard"

Tenno: "mom... why doesn't grandpa Hunhow love me?" Lotus: "Ofcourse grandpa Hunhow loves you, he just... (thinks about all the times Hunhow tried to kill us) has a weird way of expressing it.".

I'm pretty sure the reason we turned on the orokin is clear: They were evil, terrible people and we always planned on turning on them the moment they executed margulis, it was the straw that broke the camels back. It was just that we needed the right opportunity so we gained their trust like Ordan kars and once they were in one place after the old war we launched our attack. I have no doubt the Lotus also influenced us to do so as it was her purpose.

Makes me wonder if she did indeed cut a deal with Wally (say, for example, to regain the ability to have offsprings), Wally instead made her a surrogate mother to the tenno, therefore sort of fulfilling her wish in a way? Could it be that her meeting the tenno was all part of wally's plan?

Another thing... Albrecht gets blind while encountering Wally. (The Wall also has no eyes). In the mean time, the Children make Margulis blind too...

Keep in mind that during the harrow quest, the Lotus denied the existence of the man in the wall at all.

I think there is one player in this house of cards that you have overlooked. In his cave in Duviri, Teshin Dax can be overheard lamenting of how the Tenno was tutored by a sentient (The Lotus) and not by a Dax (Teshin) Coincidentally Teshin finds finds himself as a mentor figure to an army of Drifters whom seems to share the Tenno's affinity for the warframe weapon system. What I am thinking is that Teshin is making his own Tenno to perhaps put the Lotus or the Origin tenno to Justice. Perhaps even rewriting history itelf and vindicating him and his kind of past failures. Perhaps he is doing this in the memory of someone he cared so deeply about He kept a brainwashing veil as a momento for. Perhaps a lady that named Valeria that seems to have been one of the victims of the Orokin massacre orchestrated by the Lotus and her space kids.

I've been thinking a lot about the Man in the Wall after watching your videos, and I believe that, at the start at least he was benevolent. There's another way of looking at the encounter with Albrecht, when taking into account the fact that it's the first interaction with the Void. Imagine a god, omniscient, omnipresent, but also alone, unable to interact with anyone, having a less developed personality as a result. Then imagine that someone knocked at its door, the first meeting that an incomprehensible being has with another. It tries to act human, to be understandable but doesn't know how. The place it creates is a mirror of the last place it's companion saw, hell it's linked in real time to it. It takes the form of the man it's talking to in a strange attempt to be familiar (surely this form wouldn't upset you, it's your own!), and calls him by the nickname only his mother used to do the same. The more I thought about the analogy you used in a previous video, with us not knowing what every cell in our body the more Albrecht's story fits into it

I'm very excited now.. Oh the anticipation..

And Duviri. I was getting a kind of Revan vibe with it. The moment the deal was made with the Tenno and Mr. Man, time diverged into a timeline when we came home and a parallel timeline where we are stuck in the void/Duviri... The tenno were in stasis pods so that could account for the age or time might flow differently there then here or whatever. Being that the tenno through the power of the void is connected to both realities explains most of the "hand" stuff. Remember, I think the Lotus is also in on the deal in a way that has yet to be explained. She did push the moon into the void. Great video as always.

I got a theory on it... If the void is a domain where the man in the wall lives or better yet the void is the man in the wall, the story is FAR easier to understand. He wants to invade our world. He has two allies, tenno and the Lotus. At first, the Orokin may have wanted to tap into that power but quickly changed their minds after the kids came home. The Lotus might have sought that power at some point to complete her programming (to end the warframes and the Orokin). Now she wants to play mom to the very same kids under contract of the man in the wall. That's right, we made a deal and so did the Lotus hence why she was so overpowered, she also has some void power as well. I dont buy the children aspect of space mommy but they did tell us that ultimately it makes sentients barren. That must be important on some level to Lotus. It's a question of why she is doing all she can to KEEP mr. man trapped in the void since he has obviously kept his promise. I am wrong tho.... I cant wait to play that part. Enough with all the Prime stuff and distractions. Lets go!

I think it's interesting that everyone assumes that what we saw at the end of the new war was from our player character's perspective. What if what we saw in the cutscene (the man in the wall) was actually what the lotus saw? That whole scene was framed to be from her perspective, at least that's how I've always interpreted it. Our character during that whole thing is either out of frame or shoved to the side, meaning that we're not the main focus, which is obvious, but wouldn't that also mean that what is shown is also not what was focused for the tenno? Just something to think about.

I thought the flaw that Sentient's become barren after exposure to the Void was something built into them from the very beginning? If so, then that wouldn't explain Natah's motivation to turn against her race, especially since it's already super confusing on whether she truly desired the Tenno as her surrogate children, or if this was something the Orokin had implanted on her. There must be something else that she bargained for with the Man in the Wall. Also I never realized that the Lotus's hand literally peels back the Drifter's own hand during that scene. Gross... Now I'm really curious as to what the future of Warframe's story is going to be. I'm still depressed that we never got a full-blown war, but now with the Man in the Wall sowing his hands through every faction in the game, and with every single faction crippled save for the Tenno and maybe the Sentients (still have no clue what the hell is up with Pazuul and what his end goal is gonna be, or Hunhow's), there's really nothing else the Tenno have to really worry about. So who else is left for us to fight? The Man in the Wall never seems to be antagonistic towards us, the Grineer have lost a Queen, Parnum seems to want nothing to do with the Corpus of today, which is constantly in in-fighting, and the Infested just... exist. Will the Sentient's make a come-back, or will there be a new enemy faction we'll have to deal with?

I think the Man in the Wall has a deal with the Tenno, lotus, Drifter, Granum, The Worm, and a certain Orokin that disappeared saying that they were unsure of whether they returned of it did. The abilities of the Lotus, Tenno, and Drifter, the creation of the Liches/sisters after a schism in those factions happening in the story and the new powers and knowledge the remaining leaders suddenly gained after Lua reappeared. makes one think he is playing everyone probably even Erra and Ballas, he probably is even the one that is allowing Vor through the key to access the void and Duviri.

Back to back bangers, lore discussion for warframe is scarce so I'm happy we have someone this great in the arguably ever shrinking lore community

It seems that when natah acessed her void powers during the new war prologue it allowed her to break free of the mind control. Also The man in the war doesn't "smile" he grins, I don't believe that there is anything significant with the lotus' smile rather than it being a show of relief that everything is over and ok. I definitely think you're right that the lotus has void powers though.

This was an amazing theory I think lotus has seen the man in the wall twice now. Once on her first tau trip sacrificing her procreation and again when ballas drops her in the void but this time she try’s to battle him knowing his evil intentions which is why the drifter finds her near-death and defeated

This is the definitive "story so far". Sending this to nubs when they ask what the hell is going on after they finish all of the main series quests.

Can we really trust what Lotus is saying from the sacrifice to the new war? She's being gaslit and lied to by Erra and Ballas.

Drifter is ok with his hand because its different from being executed

Bet you all never look at you're drifter's hand in Duviri the same ever again, lol....

Thanks for another awesome video, you ask many excellent questions that we all want answers to

Every time I watch your videos I am amazed at the depth of the warframe story

The hype is unbearable. Goodnight

You could make a video about the choice between Lotuts/Margulis/Natah and what it means for the future

Really glad your posting content again! Keep it up!

Nice video!! So many questions and direction I. Warframe. I love it. Keep up the good work.

After watching Video I now must go deep into a rabit whole on what family means in warframe

The Lotus is definitely one of my favorite characters in Warframe. I wonder if teno can become sentient hybrids similar to the amalgams?

I actually havent even made it to the zariman yet, (still stuck on getting helminth and necramech,) but i think the man in the wall is going to be the next main antagonist. I, for one, despise feeling like im being used, like a pawn. And its alluded to that being one of the reasons the tenno overthrew the orokin. So if wally really is palpatining the universe as we know it, and is where our power comes from, i believe the next chapter will.be about taking that power back for ourselves and doing all it takes to regain our autonomy.

Hunhow & Erra both sound so sick dude, most badass voices ever.

I just got back into Warframe from about a 5 year hiatus. I was SOOO shocked and awestruck about how amazing this quest was - which I did last night.

The Tenno would lose their life, so Wallie offered them the power to survive the jump, or maybe even countless deaths if gameplay is canon. Natah's jump from Tau would lose her her fertility, her potential future family. What if Wally gave her a family? If Wally needed a family for the Lotus, why not pick the point in time where he could manipulate its events to create orphans for Natah to take care of? Orphans put in a moment of need for him to exploit too? What if Natah's need for a family of her own is the root cause for the 10-0 accident? After all, time is not linear, certainly not in the Warframe universe. Child's play for the representation of the Void.

You can turn on content creator mode when replaying quests to have the original Lotus in the transmissions instead of the purple one.

27:50 I was so used to expect something of an analysis that just naturally reacting "wtf" this way made me laughed xD

Space Grandpa may hate his adopted grandkids, but he'll help us when needed.

man, haven't seen a villain/eldritch entity this interesting since Gaunter O'Dimm

I remember when I was doing conclave teshin mentions that every one has oro and it can be taken away, then if you replay mirages story quest lotus says that a high level sentient absorbed her oro instantly killing her and since balis was kinda half sentient he was able to take most of natahs light/oro

I always thought it was Lotus's hand that was wrapped around the Drifter's hand. Didn't expect it to be the other way around. Gross....

Although I loved The New War, the animation feels so strange in stark comparison to the Chimera Prologue. I wonder if they have the animation team that worked on Chimera Prologue's cutscenes working on some newer projects, or maybe they are working with Soulframe.

Speaking of warframe, broader picture and something about upper body limps, there might be a wider pattern there. one that might span from dark sector ad might even expand into soulframe 😁

I've recently had a few conversations with a few people about where we are headed and I have like 4 theories fully fleshed out. Only 1 that seems extremely plausible and will likely be more probable once we see Hunhow again. I believe that Hunhow is holding back some greater threat, recently felt this was a God of Entropy, aka the god of death and nothingness. Mannie is a God of Possibility, hence why the void can affect Eternalism, all possibilities at once. Lotus was remade through a deal with said God of Entropy creating the birth of Eidolons and the Archon Shards. At the end of the New War both gods have been released from their bonds in some way, reason we get Pazuul. Also believe there is a 3rd god, the god of Life itself, the Unum, she who can affect the flow of all. However I never really looked at our Tenno eyes in the cutscene with Erra vs Lotus, and I think it might bring up a bigger point about Wallie later. I however don't think Wallie is a villain, pretty sure he is a God who is just using us to help in his war with another god. Pretty sure the Narmer faction and it's Archons will be the enemy he is fighting. But I could very well be wrong on this. Can't wait for this years Tennocon to see where this story is headed. Thanks for the video TheDsIEGE! Always enjoy your lore dive content.

We're approaching a real end game for Warframe and I hope its as good as I think it will be.

I feel like if part of the plan was to wipe the field of major players immediately after the old war would have been the best time. Both the sentients and orokin were defeated, the grineer were not a faction with any pull and Granum was gone(unless the man wants him around) with all the tenno awake and more or less at the height of their power and organization (not scattered or sleeping like now) that was the best time to make a power play.

THIS IS A NEW VIDEO ?! I literally just asked this question

I wonder if mabye she'll end up dying, causing us to evolve even further with the void.

The "gross" and "what the fu-" got me 😂

I may have a feeling that The Lotus might have struck the same deal our Operator did with "The Man in the Wall" as it would probably explain her power. We struck a deal with the Void Eldritch being in exchange for the lives of our other selves that exist within Eternalism and the Lotus must have struck the same deal but in exchange for her ability to reproduce.

Ive missed your content siege!

Wally seems to be some sort of geni. They grant wishes but always with a twist and like the devil always with a price that furthers their own ends.

wow. cool lore video, also you have a nice voice :D

Cant wait

So another great video but I strangely disagree on how Wally role is exactly played. While the Lotus does take on the role of the mother I think Wally is more like an uncle filling in the role of the father. While he does help us out, he also has his own plans he wants to in act within the real world by using us. Which the Lotus does realize and now is causing a "spat" with Wally to some degree. Though in all honesty we still need to wait and see what all DE wants to do with everything, I hope they do a wonderful job and just as good a job on their other projects as well.

My biggest question is: What was the Lotus and Wally doing and scheming during the centuries of our cryo sleep? We've seen Wally's ability to view, witness or foresee the potential pathways someone takes so I don't think it's far fetch for him to see all of the Lotus' paths. I mean, that is a very long time to find the ideal outcome of events.

This is the way

I noticed that during the transference cutscene with Umbra that the man talking sounds a lot like Drusus from the Leverian. I wonder if theres something there...

2:00 so I never saw her as an enemy or not an outright enemy, I saw it more like basically do you know when someone gets earm is in a cult and they managed to escape from that cult (their free and star a new life) and then years later the leader of that cult comes and finds them and re-kidnaps them and re-brainwashes them that’s basically what I was seeing this as. So it was our job to try and save her from the cult and herself, this is why I dislike that her choice at the end is made by the player, personally ied have liked it more if she had chosen who she wants to be or maybe picked a whole new identity heck the Tenno are old enough now (some older than others) that we can live without her needing to watch over us so maybe she could have gone off to find out who she wants to be.

I feel like theres 2 void entities at play like we got the man in the wall but if feels like theres another less known and more hidden. but its just somewhat a theory.

Right on the money friend. The sun and moon dial global average would be an interesting statistic.

Hopefully this helps me decide between lotus and natah

I think you're onto something with the recurring motif of a severed appendage. I'd wager that DE Steve is drawing once again from classical mythology, using symbolism to make a thematic point and/or establish some loose unity between disparate characters. Consider: Tyr, the Viking god of war, lost a hand when he and the other gods while subduing Fenrir, the world-destroyer. Lotus/Natah was the Sentient field commander who lost her hand to Ballas, also a world destroyer. Ai Apaec, a god of the Mochicas (pre-Incan) missing an arm mid-humerus, was the "son" of an ultimate "sky" deity who despite being the creator god, was "remote, almost indifferent". The glyphs in Entrati's lab look suspiciously similar to those of ancient Colombian peoples. Lastly, it is no secret that DE Steve holds other famous SF creators in the highest esteem., drawing inspiration and giving nods of attribution in a variety of ways. Orokin architecture would be right at home in Frank Herbert's Dune. Entrati's lab right out of Jules Verne and HG Wells. The severed hand of the Lotus right out of George Lucas' Star Wars. Or is it from "The Monkey's Paw"?

I believe Parvos Granum was manipulated by the man in the wall too. He described a voice that whispered to him the ideals he embraced. Perhaps Vor was manipulated too. I’ve always wondered why he chose to try and capture a Tenno for *us* specifically? Before the events of the game Vor was going around killing Tenno before they could wake up, but he suddenly decided to bring one to the queens, and he made that decision on our character. Why? I don’t think it was random coincidence that he chose do try and capture us

One question I've always had not so much about the Lotus but the Tenno during the Old War era. Then they first developed transference, were the Tenno able to "leave" their Warframe's like they can after the War Within? And in top of that were they aware that they were in their frames at all? Or did they just get immediately get put into the dream and during the entirety of the Old War?

good video still wait for quest to play as veso the corpus tech boy need some love and story

I've also wondered what Lotus saw because Albrecht saw himself, we see ourselves, who does 'Lotus' see *herself* as? Natah, Margulis, Lotus, or, all 3 'selves'. She does say something like, 'I'm not one'

This statement might be a push, but 3 years ago you posted a video about Ordis and what/who he really is...remember when he said he was broken down by thw orokin as he walked amongst corpse...could he be the "man on the wall"? The one pulling all the strings and convinced Ballas and create the illusions of our 2s? If I recalled Cephalons can go onto the void space and time itself - like how we saved Cephalon Suda

I definitely think Natah was in control until Ballas found a way to revive Erra.

3:05 it’s simple lotus went *execute order 66* on them

I think the man in the wall is making a body for himself since entrati may have failed out of fear

Absolutely loved the analysis, but i do have a question: if Erras was destroyed in Lua, how is he still alive in the New War? If we manage to decode that enigma from the story, we might have an idea of how is Pazval , ( the goat head guy), leading the sentients

What version of This Is What You Are is playing in the background? It sounds really good lol.

the only thing strange in the lore quests is how easy is to enter in contact with the tenno and know what they are doing...

You can not do that to us. End the video with " did you escape or the other" But awesome video ❤

I think all three are in charge, the mc tenno, the man in the wall, and the lotus. These three are the key to something we just don't know yet

14:04 - That he's merely a faun

It's a good theory, my only issue is that the hand we shook when accepting the void deal was not the lotus' hand. The only similarity is that it emits the same green energy, but it is very clearly not the same hand. If you look the index finger is uncovered on the lotus hand but the void hand is fully gloved and there isn't another hand that's peeled back like a banana around it like when the drifter gets the lotus' hand

I got this weird feeling that the man in the wall is the first ever Tenno and either he snapped or Margulis locked him away in the wall and he is finally strong enough to make his comeback and "The Lotus" doesn't remember him

Yet man in the wall is missing fingers on his RIGHT HAND

Holy shit this might actually be a cohesive theory!

I was wondering if there's more to the Void and Duviri and if maybe they are the same, because surely either Duviri is an exclave in the Void or a mirror of either the universe of our main story or the Void. And the Void being some kind of mirror entity seems kind of obvious - or maybe a super entity. Although it's never explained like that. It's just in Duviri there is a graveyard and on the biggest monument there it says something along those lines: "In the mirror of oneself, behind the portal of becoming, nothing exists, what your own self didn't bring." (Roughly translated) So I was wondering if the mirror is the Void and we cause the Void to exist through our doings or existence. And Duviri is filled with mirrors and broken mirrors that sometimes lead into the Undercroft, which is either a passageway for the Void Angels to Duviri or an echo of something, like the inscription on the monument says, something that became real because it's the mirrored reality. Or everything at once. Also, there's Archimede Yonta who sometimes says that she dreamed of Albrecht Entrati and in the end he ripped himself in two. So as if the one that escaped the Void portal, either himself or the other, is still himself, no matter which one escaped. I know, I sound confusing right now, but what if the void is us (our characters) all along. And your theory is that Rell is either the lighthouse warden or Dominus Thrax, right? But if the man in the wall is Dominus Thrax, then it means we're all being played more than we already think we're being played. I'm maybe overthinking it, but I have the feeling that the ones who write the story for Warframe want it to be confusing 😅 Oh, by the way, I kind of already accepted your theory that Duviri is the Dream. And the Dream being the Void because that's our power source isn't too far off.

he is totally ok with it... wtf... this part got me hahaha

I honestly think the Lotus and Tenno are being controlled by The Man in The Wall, remember, he is always watching from the walls, so it is only natural to assume that he has been manipulating everything from the start.

“Babe wake up, TheDsIEGE posted a video”

The thing with Ballas absorbing Lotus's power, could the Jade Light be Literal? I know it's not a deep jade but the kiss is Green and it seems to end her, I saw the clip while replaying the Second Dream and its something that I've not seen brought up, I know it's a VERY Vague connection, but if the Jade Light does infact absorb one's power, could it be a way to at least weaken the man in the wall

It's me or the Man in the Wall could be an entity kinda like Tzeentch from WH40k Universe? It feels like the Void and the Warp are quite similar places!

I just completed the second dream and the war within didn’t start for me right away instead I got mail and some red triangle telling me about the sentients coming or working and how I need to build a Railjack a weapon from the past. Am I not suppose to be doing this now or somehow skipped head or something? I didn’t know the War Within was suppose to start right away after the second dream

what is the ost at the beginning???

I'm with Lotus, I don't buy that Margulis kicked Rell out because he was "different." This woman went to her death to defend the Tenno, she protected and raised them when everyone else wanted to cast them out or kill them (not that they could have succeeded, but the point stands), I don't buy that she would toss Rell to the wolves for being a autistic. Besides, Rells comic somewhat implies he wasn't rescued when everyone else was, I find it more likely she never knew about him or he ran away than that she would willingly abandon a Tenno.

Maybe the lotus has the power the man of the wall?? That’s a good question (maybe)

Who was laughing on the head of man in the wall? Was it Lotos or Wally with her mask on his(her) face?

The lotus is the Darth Vader of warframe. I refuse to elaborate further

Why the tenno rebelled is clearly stated in the game.

chains of harrow wowie

I think it's funny that Hunhow calls himself the destroyer of worlds but he never really did the thing.

Is your character supposed to Dick Grayson in that one Batman movie with Poison Ivy?

I have a theory I'd like to share: I don't know the whole timeline but what if Margulis, Natah and Lotus are one and the same person??? Just follow me; We know that Kuva provides the means to overtake death, right? And there is nothing (that I know of) to say that it is impossible to, for instance, continue living in a Sentient body, so, what if, Margulis, knowing that she was about to be executed, drank Red Kuva, but, due to the surprise of her repentine death or through more nefarious means, she ended up trapped inside Natah's body, ever in conflict with the sentient's original... sentience? That would mean that the Natah we see in the New War is a result of Ballas and Hunow interference and that Lotus is the result of Margulis finally taking over Natah's body and resuming her duties as the Tenno's Kinda, sort of Mother, right??? That would also explain why she refused to tell what she saw when confronted by The Man in the Wall, she saw the mirror of Margulis last body before becoming Natah and that would also explain why she can become "Full Body Margulis" if the player chooses so. Perhaps the Man in the Wall, ally, villain or something in bewteen, found a way to fully realize Natah, Lotus and Margulis inside Natah's body or perhapes He/It showed Lotus her past self in order, for whatever reason, to remember her of what she meant to the Teeno, what she means in the present or what she could be and it falls on the player to choose who We want her to be!!! I can see no other reason why this choice has the Ligh/Neutral/Dark result and I think this choice will be one of the key choices to influence the Endgame we might get in the not so near future!!!

K this is driving me nuts Her left hand was cut of right because I can’t tell with the decaying body That’s why it’s missing in the oporator chair But tmitw gives us her right And the her right hand lands in divuri So I’d this just a problem with my eye and she regenerate her right but the decay took her left or what

damn like 90% of this is all different lore from when i played pretty much lmao