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Who REALLY killed Asmodean? EVERY Wheel of Time Fan Theory!

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SPOILER FULL LIVESTREAM! Come vote for the best "Who Killed Asmodean" fan theory! Considering Robert Jordan changed his mind about the killer, let's discuss EVERY fan theory, and pick the candidate with the best motive and opportunity. Plus, which ones did Robert Jordan explicitly reject, and we'll cover how we know Robert Jordan changed his mind. Join us this #WoTWednesday at 9pm ET for a live theory discussion, where we'll cover all of the facts and all of the speculation. We'll chat with our expert panelists, and you'll have the opportunity to share your own theories both in chat and by giving us a call.
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@TheDustyWheel
@TheDustyWheel 3 жыл бұрын
Starts at 2:54! Did you know that RJ changed his mind on who killed Asmodean? And, if you couldn't choose Taim, Demandred, or Graendal, who do you think is the best suspect as the killer?
@bryanjturner21
@bryanjturner21 3 жыл бұрын
Why not Verin, she's practically the Keyser Soze of the whole series; always unexpected, diabolical string puller, blind sides the Dark Ajah and presumably a Forsaken in the process so there's no reason she couldn't have figured out a way to nail Asmodean (while collecting Spores/molds/and fungus like Egon from the Ghostbusters). Telling you man, after that one book where Verin had her Swan Song I just decided that when in doubt, Verin was probably the reason, doesn't even have to make sense man that woman could have taken out the Dark One while he wasn't looking while taking notes in the corner of a room.
@thesmuli83
@thesmuli83 3 жыл бұрын
I can't be sure, but I think Asmodean was killed by Aldieb and Mandarb.The plan had been honed since Rhuidean. The order came directly from Bela. PS. The post office today brought a nice surprise(2 WOT t-shirts)🤩
@anitkythera4125
@anitkythera4125 2 жыл бұрын
But Bela (The Creator) doesn't interfere directly even to order things be done or not. It's obvious that Aldieb and Mandarb were acting on their own and sought to blame Bela if they were discovered.
@MarisuSedai
@MarisuSedai 3 жыл бұрын
Fifteen years ago, saying Taimandred killed Asmodean was the WoT equivalent of being a flat earther.
@TheDustyWheel
@TheDustyWheel 3 жыл бұрын
Lol. So true. Lol.
@thomasthompson3227
@thomasthompson3227 3 жыл бұрын
I think that Jordan ran out of time and never got to finish what he had in mind for who killed Asmodean, and in the end, it didn't matter. My opinion is that it was Slayer. After being wounded by Perrin, the payment Slayer received for killing Asmodean was healing and his life. Slayer would have spent time stalking such a dangerous foe, and probably found out about the block. Also, Asmodean was never good in the dream world. Therefore, all slayer would have to do was appear before Asmodean, surprise him, and then pull him into the world of dreams. Slayer would then have the advantage. Another good name for Slayer is death. With Slayer as the actual weapon that killed Asmodean, any of the Forsaken could have sent him to do it. Ultimately, the Forsaken that sent Slayer would be held responsible for Asmodean's death, not the type of weapon used to kill Asmodean. The time spent trying to stalk and kill Asmodean could be a good explanation for Slayer's long absence.
@michaeldavid1961
@michaeldavid1961 3 жыл бұрын
Revealing the killer in a glossary was one of the biggest letdowns and most baffling decisions from this series.
@TheDustyWheel
@TheDustyWheel 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, and if my love and focus and comments like, "Brandon, I'm going to make A Memory of Light all about Asmodean," had anything to do with it, though I've been told it didn't, then I apologize. :)
@anitkythera4125
@anitkythera4125 2 жыл бұрын
You misunderstood her question about “Is Lanfear petty enough to kill Asmodean?” Yes, of course. But you didn’t hear her follow up. “If so, would she use her kill wish on Asmodean as opposed to Aviendah?” The answer is of course not. First, she can kill Asmodean without needing a aelfinn wish to do it. Second, Aviendah is much more dangerous than Asmodean. Third, she hates Aviendah and know Asmodean is just a doomed pitiful wretch. Bella did it.
@cmoorejr11
@cmoorejr11 3 жыл бұрын
Avi was ALWAYS my favorite suspect. I swear I thought it was her for the longest.
@TheDustyWheel
@TheDustyWheel 3 жыл бұрын
I love the idea, and always will, that the Wise Ones knew what was going on, tasked her, and she did it.
@lisacook8235
@lisacook8235 3 жыл бұрын
I've always thought Wot was a murder mystery in disguise. Doesn't the name Telamon contain a concealed Sherlock Holmes reference, and wasn't Seanchan named for Charlie Chan's brother Sean?
@ramspencer5492
@ramspencer5492 Жыл бұрын
I think Jordan had it right the first time Taim definitely should have been Demandred and would have been most likely forsaken to have killed him. Moridin could have done it after Demandred. Slayer could have worked, but it would have been on orders of either Demandred or Moridin. Shaidar Huran is also a very strong candidate.... The argument against is that he tended to let many things play out. That and that no one of the forsaken recognized him upon first meeting. Not moraine. Inconsistent with the letter and her character. Not Lanfear... Even if she actually had a realistic motive, it would not be a priority for her. Why not wish to kill Rand or Avienda?
@senpapi4511
@senpapi4511 4 ай бұрын
Rand was on the balcony , Aviendha was in front of the fountain , Asmodean was nearby If saidin or saidar was used they both would've picked up on it Therefore Moridin(using Ishamael's face so As recognizes him) killed Asmodean since he makes his debut in the next book ( I think )
@huntermullins1261
@huntermullins1261 2 жыл бұрын
Spoiler warning for up to book 11! There is a problem the size of callandor with Lews Therrin killing Asmodean. Whenever Lews Therrin takes control like we see at dumais wells or the trolloc attack in knife of dreams. Rand remembers it all. That’s why he can remember how to weave death gates. He doesn’t go into a black out state, he is just an observer to his own body and what Lews is doing. Therefor if Lews killed Asmodean, then Rand would have remembered.
@anaiyasgarden
@anaiyasgarden 3 жыл бұрын
Chriiiiiiiiiis!!!! Good to see you fighting the good fight!! You laid out some pretty convincing arguments, but surprisingly the Innkeeper turned me onto Team Lanfear on this one!
@TheVorran
@TheVorran Жыл бұрын
In my heart it will always be Demandred
@CCC-qy4rq
@CCC-qy4rq 2 жыл бұрын
All of these theories assume that the killer was there specifically to kill Asmo. It reads to me more like Asmo opens a door and sees someone who didn't want to be seen, and is killed to keep their cover. If you go to a palace to assassinate someone, waiting in a random hallway in the hope he comes looking for a pantry seems a poor methodology. For this reason, Taimandred makes sense to me. Bashere has just told Rand he's sure Taim is in Andor then, early in LOC, Taim presents himself. I think Demandred was there, ready to present himself as Taim, and Asmodean saw him when he opened the door and Demandred knew he couldn't play his Taim card with Asmo at Rand's side... ergo: "One step, and he stopped, the blood draining from his face. "You? No!" The word still hung in the air when death took him him."
@shauntempley9757
@shauntempley9757 2 жыл бұрын
Rand would have felt his saidin energy, whether or not Taim had both his channelling and weaving both cloaked, since any weaving being performed while cloaked would be sensed. Even when I read FoH, I knew it was Graendal, because of Asmodean knowing where she was. She always made sure her location would be secure, which is why she hid at Natrin where she did. I also really like one of the reasons Taim and Demandred were separated was because of Cadsuaine and her ter angreal disrupting channelling by either source. Particularly when she mentions capturing Taim.
@benbutler9282
@benbutler9282 3 жыл бұрын
on Original reads i considered Moridon using TP but how was he recognised - slayer was everywhere for me so was a possibility - Gholam came later re Harid fel and maybe Balthames? but was retrospectively considered but i decided RAFO for sanity alone
@TheDustyWheel
@TheDustyWheel 3 жыл бұрын
I like the Gholam for the answer. It makes sense to have the Gholam take out a Forsaken.
@benbutler9282
@benbutler9282 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDustyWheel thanks for reply -Wotoholic australian - if i can ask - it's irrelevant but always bugged me who put the gray man in sheriams bed - do the notes say anything - did i miss a intuitive clue - Help and keep having linda/tevez/todd on notes
@pamelasierla6262
@pamelasierla6262 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome episode, top tier discussion👏🏻
@TheAmyrlinSeat
@TheAmyrlinSeat Жыл бұрын
17:43 it's possible that this actually is correct, the glossary just says graendeal is responsible for asmodean's death, and she was partially responsible for finding the stasis-box with the gholam in it
@minibro73
@minibro73 3 жыл бұрын
The fact he could change killers, seems to indicate that there was not enough info in the books to figure it out. Doesn't reflect too well on the writer when you setup a mystery that has no real answer.
@Hesoprimaltho
@Hesoprimaltho 9 ай бұрын
"doesnt reflect well on the writer when you setup a mystery that has no real answer" lmao, and in reference to robert jordan nonetheless? puh-leese.
@StephenOwen
@StephenOwen 2 жыл бұрын
What are the wishes you're referencing here?
@FutureOverYou
@FutureOverYou 2 жыл бұрын
I can't remember which is which, but one of the Finns answer 3 questions, the other grant 3 wishes.
@aprils9178
@aprils9178 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought it was a forsaken that killed Asmodean. I just couldn't figure out who. Of course I know now.
@rogerhuggettjr.7675
@rogerhuggettjr.7675 5 ай бұрын
Graendal or Demandred.
@SimplyCookingToo
@SimplyCookingToo 3 жыл бұрын
Can we get an episode on how the show will present the prophecies of the dragon!!!??
@MrT115
@MrT115 3 жыл бұрын
One thing that talks against the Gholam that you didn't bring up was that RJ said we could work it out by the end of book 5. The Gholam was not known by the reader until later books. We could go back afterwards and tribute kills to the Gholam. Example Barthanes.
@TheDustyWheel
@TheDustyWheel 3 жыл бұрын
I did bring that up: we weren't following Jordan's rules, because he didn't either. :) That's the premise. Jordan changed his mind after the end of Book 5, so that quote doesn't hold up any longer. So, suspects didn't have to meet that requirement to be a good suspect.
@MrT115
@MrT115 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDustyWheel That's true
@j-jackquinn5540
@j-jackquinn5540 3 жыл бұрын
luckily the show won't have a glossary and will need to answer the question so maybe they will actually do a bit of a murder mystery with it since I've always hated the Graendal answer
@kathryncainmadsen5850
@kathryncainmadsen5850 2 жыл бұрын
i like the idea Graendal did it.l so he would out her. She goes around killing Forsaken. Whats not to like?
@Sw4lley
@Sw4lley 3 жыл бұрын
I still hope for the show that Asmodean and Thom are merged into one and instead of killing Asmodean, he burns him self out fighting off the person trying to kill him. Makes for nice sparks between Moraine and Thom. Aswell as it gives more reason to Rand actually accepting him as a teacher. Even further, it makes more sense to have Moraine and Thom being a couple in the end too, because they actually spent time together in Tear and the Waste.
@not-a-person
@not-a-person 3 жыл бұрын
That's pretty good actually Id be down for that.
@Sw4lley
@Sw4lley 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChristmasLore Thom Never really does anything when he is with mat, except sitting in a tavern and listening to rumors, that’s stuff the thief catchers can do alone, julin or what his name was. I rather have Thom play a more major role than just waiting for damsel in distress rescue late in the series and sitting silently in taverns the rest of the time.
@kathryncainmadsen5850
@kathryncainmadsen5850 2 жыл бұрын
Aviendha would be my second choice.
@Haxerous
@Haxerous 3 жыл бұрын
Why would Moiraine want to kill Asmodean after she went through the doorway. She knew what was going to happen to her so why would she not kill him before that? Especially if she is supposed to be so risk averse according to this theory. Also seems kinda stupid that she would waste her wish on this.
@TheDustyWheel
@TheDustyWheel 3 жыл бұрын
I like her for this, with future knowledge...if not for what she left for Rand letting him know she knew.
@qboz23
@qboz23 Жыл бұрын
bela the horse killed asmodean ? lol
@natenichols9569
@natenichols9569 Жыл бұрын
Unnamed maiden of the spear dark friend.
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