I would argue that Vegeta has gotten the most if not the only real development in Super.

As Geekdom mentioned, Vegeta's speech at the end of Z is not him stating he's giving up on his goal to surpass Goku or that Goku will always be better, despite what a lot of people say. It was rather an acknowledgment that Goku deserves full respect as a warrior regardless of the Saiyan class/social structure. We see in Super he's still angry and competitive when Goku achieves new feats, but unlike most of Z, it's because of a more friendly competitive rivalry rather than some deep seeded psychology involving social class.

Since Vegeta got Ultra Ego, it would be nice to see him dealing the finishing blow to defeat a main villain even just for once.

I just wish someone like tien gets a crazy power up in the future, the reason being that all of the z fighters have basically given up martial arts except for tien and his dedication deserves to be recognized

That’s why beerus told vegeta that he told frieza to destroy planet vegeta to simply show that his actions as a G.O.D he has no guilt for them.

People miss the point of Vegeta VS Toppo so much and I think it's the greatest instance of character development in all of DBS. Vegeta is basically fighting someone who made the same choices he did in the Buu saga. Toppo was incredibly powerful and prideful, but he gave up his pride for a power boost. Vegeta did the same thing with Majin Vegeta in the Buu saga. When he used the Final Atonement to defeat what is basically the guy he used to be, he didn't die from it. You can say it's because Blue has way better ki control or because Vegeta is stronger, but the narrative reason is that Vegeta has nothing to atone for anymore. Toppo did. Ultra Ego is such a good form for Vegeta because he's 100% true to his own pride and values and this is a showcase of it. DBZ Vegeta talked a lot of shit all the time but at the end of the day he only ever beat people weaker than him. Vegeta VS Toppo was probably the first time he squared up to someone stronger and won the fight. (Remember that Golden Frieza was a match for Goku's full power at this point and Toppo bodied him with ease)

The worst beat down to his ego must've been Android 18. Imagine gaining SS1 FINALLY. Destroying everything only to get demolished and humiliated by 18

Vegeta has literally shown more love to his family than goku ever has to his own.

What I appreciate is the fact that he finally managed to “go back to his old self.” He’s been metaphorically trying to return to his ruthless self for a long time and he’s finally achieved it the right way without losing himself in the process.

Vegeta making this Granolah arc even better, I'm loving this arc and i love the parallels between Vegeta and Granolah.

Vegeta has inadvertently become more fascinating than the original main character himself lol Goku is still awesome but I constantly look forward to Vegeta finally getting his shine

4:55 These's a genuine doubt. We see kid Vegeta not being bothered by destruction of planet Vegeta and we say that's a proof of Vegeta not caring for weaker ones and that being the reason he never revived the planet. But when Frieza killed him on namek there's a pretty emotional dialogue from Vegeta saying how he didn't choose this life and how he wants Goku to take the revenge for planet Vegeta. If Vegeta didn't care about his people why would he act so emotionally attached ? To me i always saw vegeta fighting between two personalities. That of being a caring person and that of having ego.

" It's all because of the fact that Vegeta is pure EGO. " This is 100% factual, Vegeta himself stated this. " Kakarot's body may have a mind of it's own, but I'm *all ego* , in fact, go ahead and call this Ultra Ego. "

I love the contrast between Instinct and Ego. A martial artist (Goku) controls his emotion in order to let his technique flow through him. A leader (Vegeta) draws on his pride and experience to lead his people to victory.

I'm still calling it Super Saiyan Purple.

Tien Shin Han: Its like you are believing your own hype... Vegeta: I AM THE HYPE!!

Vegeta’s story is the most compelling but the most heartbreaking. That’s why I love him. He is why I love Dragon Ball. In fact, I might not care about anime or manga if it weren’t for Vegeta. He’s that important and why toying with him or his fans can be devastating.

My favorite part of the story writing, is I feel like they are touching on every possible aspect of the saiyan race. We see a low class warrior. A prince. The primal animalistic instinct. The pure of heart. The evil/demented. And now we are witnessing the pinnacle of the race on both spectrums. Pure of heart, UI (future angel?) Egotistical, UE (future G.O.D?) Honestly the overarching story is beautiful

Ultra Ego and Ultra Instinct are probably based on Freudian's theory of Id and Ego, or more correctly it's bastardization. Ultra Instinct is a transformation that came from unconscious thought, or unconscious movement due to Goku's inherent Saiyan's battle mindset, his genius battle instinct and his countless battle experiences. While Ultra Ego came from the conscious thought and conscious movement of Vegeta, his pure enjoyment of battle and saiyan savagery directly increases his power. When Beerus was talking about expunging sins, he probably meant that Vegeta should stop his Super Ego (moral and principle) from holding back his Ego (conscious battle lust) in battle. Toyotaro probably named Ultra Ego as an antithesis of Goku's Ultra Instinct, and also because Vegeta is quite an egotistical person.

I understand the story driven aspect of the "ego" power branch. It's a way for Vegeta to finally get his moment to shine without taking away from Goku's own achievements. Having said that, I always found that Vegeta's edge over Goku is his practical-mindedness. I also always found that his Ego was always his downfall. So.... we shall see I guess?

I really like this idea of unique transformations. Transformations that fit into a certain character and not something anybody else can get. Gohan- Ultimate/Mystic Goku- Ultra Instinct Vegeta- Ultra Ego

Watching this makes me yearn for an ending in which Vegeta can truly laugh with Goku and friends. Not to say he can’t be serious when he fights, but he can learn to simply enjoy the way his friends are.

I really like the way they've transformed vegeta recently. After decades, it finally feels like he is taking his own path, stepping out of Goku's shadow and now stands beside him. The yin and yang comparison is very fitting for the two.

Vegeta's motivations have changed significantly, he's a shining example of climbing up after a fall. People can change for the better

I still think Vegeta is in an incomplete ultra ego state and until he comes to terms with what he's done he won't get a full transformation

I can’t wait till they start putting this form in games. I love the splitting paths to power for each.

Not just that, I think a main thing that held the Saiyans back was the fact they were space pirates who typically targeted worlds of weaker species. We all know about the zenkai boost that they get when they get near death, which is why Goku could match Vegeta even though he was of low class birth, because he always challenged himself, something I don’t think many people from his home world did. It was hinted in the Bardock movie as well, the doctors were surprised with how strong he was getting and he’d come back half dead from a lot of his missions. They were born with advantages most didn’t take advantage of

Another good example of Vegeta’s ego is when he transformed into his Great Ape form and was able to control it. This is similar and ties into the Majin Mark segment you covered.

“Sometimes it’s ok to destroy”- this realization for vegeta reminds me of teen gohan but its just on a grander scale and more unique being that it’s a character that still allows goku to be himself and show the duality of man and how it can still work together. Great vid

When they eventually fuse again, it will be a sight to behold. The ultimate warrior, wielding the powers of both ego and instinct.

Can't wait to see ultra ego animated, gonna break the internet.

Great way to describe "Ego" and "Pride", not even just pertaining to this, but to life. Too many people have misunderstood and misperceived, what "Ego" truly means. Great video!

Vegeta allowed himself to take to much damage when he fought granola. He got drunk on that power

*I believe just like when Goku unlocked a incomplete ultra instinct form before mastered. Ultra Ego may be an incomplete form of destruction*

Great video. Vegeta is definitely one of my favourite characters not only because he’s often overshadowed by Goku or other main characters but he has his own epic moments like his Majin form, or my favourites when he uses his Final Flash move against Cell and Jiren, both times surprising his opponents with how powerful his attack was.

I would love to see Vegeta acknowledge himself as the King. That would be epic af.

Freaky Face Mode is gonna look absolutely amazing once animated 💯

15:27 Geekdom giving us life advice was unexpected but it won’t go unnoticed ❤️

This is one of the best transformations since SSj 1 and SSj 4. There is meaning to the transformation. Glad to see one of my fav. characters getting one of the most badass transformations in Dragonball so far.

I’m so relieved to see content like this. Not only defense of Vegeta but explanation of the character development in its pure complexity. ❤️🔥

Glad to see Geekdom doesn’t think Vegeta has regressed anymore. You’re awesome my guy. We want more Star Wars Theory collabs.

Geekdom finally seeing that Vegeta has progressed massively not regressed as a character. I wonder who convinced him. He thought the ultra ego chapter with Vegeta Vs Granola was awful because at the time he didn’t understand the undertone and meaning. Behind Vegeta actions in the chapter and the chapter as a whole. Good analysis

Vegeta sort of deserves to be the best. He’s grown so much as a character and overcome a lot of the trauma of his past. I think it’s about time that Toriyama sheds the plot chains off and gives him more free reign to truly be the man he’s become

I feel like Vegeta and Goku are like those pokemon that start off the same but have a branch evolution😂

Curious to see how Ultra Ego fares against the Heeters compared to Granola, seeing as Vegeta definitely won’t have any guilt holding him back this fight. Maybe we can hope for a transcended form similar to Mastered UI?

One of your best vids yet bro, been a Vegeta fan since I was in elementary school. Ultra Ego is definitely something that fits him well!

You broke this down like a G my guy, good work 😎👏 Vegeta will forever be my favorite character.

This video makes me want to see Ultra Ego in the anime so bad!!! You explained everything so well!! And this transformation does certainly fit Vegeta so well

This is one of the best videos you’ve ever done geekdom.

Man you hit the nail on the head. Vegeta is my favorite part of dragon ball, all it's incarnations. Much love and support, and great video.

I’m so happy this video has a million views. You deserve it bro. Long time fan!

Ego is also the synonym of Pride, Ultra Ego/Ultra Pride which is suits him, he is the sigil of Pride A balance of willpower and stubbornness 🙏🏾💪🏾

going through Therapy myself for my ptsd and learning about ego and watching Vegeta heal his own. its definitely a new experience for me personally. but a welcome one seeing things like this highlighted. especially when broken down and explained so excellently. thank you for the video Geekdom101

Modern Vegeta has become a true man; he can be considerate when the situation calls for it, but knows that sometimes you don't have the luxury of a peaceful resolution and need to be ruthless and confront things that refuse your attempts to de-escalate.

the Freeza at 14:49 pic is epic! love the vid too bro!!

I'm glad Vegeta didn't get Ultra Instinct, when people were saying vegeta would get UI I hoped it didnt happen and instead he got something better for himself which is UE, I don't understand why everyone has to get UI we saw what happened when everyone got SSJ so why do the same thing with UI? If he would gotten UI you would have seen UI get violated even more than it already has or will be in the future so at least he has his own thing instead of following goku's footsteps 24/7.

15:15 this right here very well said. It was the first thing i thought of when Vegeta said sorry to lord Beerus. Granolah is not the right opponent for Vegeta to unleash this full power of ultra ego on or at least not the right opponent to help him reach full power in that state. He fighting Somone who home world the sayains destroyed. In some way the guilt is there. Now if you put him against Gas if Gas proven to be too much for Granolah then maybe we get a full powered ultra ego Vegeta. Great Video.

Vegeta is my favorite Anime Character of all time, I relate to him more than any other, He has reached the point where He can turn on his power Full Blast, and separate his life from outside influences when needed, instead of always carrying his Pride on the Outside all the time

Dragonball is deep when it comes to Vegeta he has the best character arch I love the guy

Fun fact: Yin is actually the representation of negative whereas yang is the representation of positive. So it would actually be Vegeta the yin to Goku's yang.

I figured that for Vegeta a form that was focused on offense would be coming because it made more sense for him than UI which is about primal intuition and firstly defense.

I don’t comment or interact very much on this channel outside of watching the content and dropping a like but just wanted to say thank you for this channel and the work you do for your videos!! The content is quality! Your work and passion is appreciated dude

Honestly bro u make me love dragon ball more n more everytime I keep watching your videos

I love psychology/philosophy and I love Dragon Ball. Thanks for bringing the two together and showing me how awesome Vegeta's story is and how you can apply Ego to your own life without feeling guilty, if done in the correct situation. Don't let it go to your head, but this IS the best video ever lol.

I remember how you said he regressed🤣. Glad you came around to understanding vegeta

"Power solely derived from instinct is unbounded." This would mean that his tail is needed to reach his perfect form.

To add to the whole observation of vegeta character. When the chapter that ultra ego first came out of, there was a translation I saw that said something like, “Kakarot has autonomous ultra instinct, I have Conquering ultra ego” and truth be told the conquering part of that always stuck out to me

I'm a Goku fan but even THIS video I've been looking forward to. Ultra Ego is truly fitting for Vegeta's character. I love that Vegeta is going towards the god of Destruction while Goku is going towards the path of the angels

One of the best videos you've ever put out, Geekdom. Amazing work, enjoyed every second.

It's interesting that they chose ultra ego as the name. If they are bringing psychology into this. The Id it's the boundless part of your persona that is impulsive and guiltless (Old Vegeta). The ego and superego are there to keep them Id in check. The difference is the superego goes into extremes to keep Id in check. Superego goes into such extremes it can become just as destructive to your persona as Id can become. It fills you with guilt and anxiety ( Vegeta between DBZ and Super) The EGO is the balance. Ego meditates the impulsiveness of your Id with the insane premeditated and calculated guilt driven aspects of your superego. It's the buffer. Ego allows you to come to terms with both aspects of your persona and choose which aspect is appropriate for the situation (New Vegeta). I love this. If you think about it, this is a vision that has been planned for his character over many seasons. Dragonball can be so deep when it wants to be.

In a way these new forms are about mastering each person's biggest weaknesses. Vegeta's pride was continuously his downfall. Ultra Ego represents him mastering that pride/ego and harnessing its power to motivate him to become better. Ultra Instinct then probably represents that Goku is often soft on his enemies and has a tough time trusting his instincts to just finish a dangerous enemy that is a threat to the universe because he assumes everyone has a kind heart like he does. Maybe that's not exactly "instinct" but then maybe these form names aren't exactly accurate to what is being represented, but these themes are deeper than words anyway so it's kind of irrelevant what they are called, what matters is what is being represented through these forms and the storytelling elements being presented by them.

I always love these deep psychological explanations of Dragonball seeing these characters change little by little into their best versions and overcoming adversity always gives me motivation

I'd also argue that Ultra Ego has almost nothing to do with destruction. Can Vegeta tap into destruction and apply it to his new found power? Of course, but it could also be Vegeta applying the principles of his lessons under Beerus( destroying any stray thoughts and recreating himself from scratch. Focusing only on destruction, or in this case, his love for battle) to his Super Saiyan transformations and thus Ultra Ego is born. This could just be my own headcanon, so don't mistake it to be a fact. I just think it's a nice thought and that Ultra Ego is so much more than just destruction. You touched on everything beautifully.

Powerful video man, love your DB content and how you flush out the lore and characters 🙌

This is a great vid it gives Vegeta's backstory a bit and his path to ultra ego.

I don't think you're getting it right about Vegetas early life. Vegeta wasn't coddled all his life. Maybe as a child before his planet was destroyed. Most of his life he was bullied by the Ginyu force and Frieza.

This is the best explanation of the form yet. Hands down. Good job bro and thank you

This is a good analysis overall. I think there is a key aspect that you didn't really touch on though. The main lesson that Vegeta learns from Goku is the source of his power. Vegeta had always sought power for his own sake, but true power can only be obtained by fighting for something greater than yourself - fighting to protect others. Even after having this realization, and even becoming stronger by doing so, he still struggles to fully integrate this philosophy into the core of his being. This is why Ultra Ego is so interesting - it is presenting Vegeta with a contrasting paradigm, one that is more suited to his character. He obviously sees the parallel with the Majin form and is reluctant to go that route again. I think he will only truly master Ultra Ego when he finds a way to incorporate and balance both concepts.

Incredibly well made analysis video man. Sub and liked for sure.

Agreed! The inclusion of self development in relation to Vegeta's power upgrade was so amazing. Great job!

Not sure if you remember this Geekdom and everyone else, but do recall that when Vegeta did instant transmission, he mentioned that he could probably only do it "once" and lamented it was not a preferable technique for him when speaking with Goku. This video you created Geekdom compliments that entire moment to the "T". Ki or spirit, is governed by the mind, body and spirit. Yes, fighters can learn many techniques if they wanted to, nothing is exclusive "unless genetically so like Granola's eye", but, whether or not they can effectively use it or even master it is a whole other story. Using a technique requiring a calm focus, designed to to evade or teleport, isn't combat or mentally compatible for Vegeta, hence why he could not master ultra instinct nor "keep" instant transmission within his arsenal.

I thought ego in this context was Freudian. As the counter to Goku's ultra instinct (id) where he has no thought, Vegeta is supposed to be consumed by intention (ego).

What a great video! You are the best Geekdom💯

Another example of Vegeta’s ego is when he fought semi perfect cell. Instead of killing him when he had the power he let cell achieve his perfect form because he wanted to test out his ascended super saiyan strength (he was the 1st in the show to achieve this form) and let his ego get in the way of thinking he can’t be beat even after trucks warned him of cell’s perfect form strength and lost when he realized cell was only playing with him.

What a great video! Being a Vegeta fanboy you really summarized why I love his character so much! Fantastic job as always Geekdom!!! You are #1

Low-key the best video couldn't explain it better my self

In dbs ep 122 of the T.O.P the foreshadowing of Ultra Ego Vegeta was done as Jiren mentioned that Vegeta has pride and ego, which is one of the reasons why Vegeta lacks Ultra Instinct.

_All Hail Vegeta: The Saiyan Prince of Egos._

THANK YOU. I’ve been saying for a minute that Vegeta showing these seemingly “regressive” character traits of wanting to surpass Goku wasn’t him going backwards, but rather tapping into that old part of himself to progress him forward in that aspect of life. This was well done, and I love how you injected a little bit of your own Ultra Ego at the end. ~_~

I love your dedication to one of the best animes of all time. Love the content bro, keep it up

I love the fact the Destroyer Gods need to be above good or evil, as this job is more akin to a force of nature, and that's one of the reason Beerus took an interest in Vegeta for teach him his technique and potentially being his successor. Vegeta had the Saiyan destructive instinct and the ruthless needed for the job, while also went through a hell of character development, going from a bad guy to a good one. That makes him a fitting candidate, because while he's ruthless, he also learned compassion, which it translates into a sense of pragmatism that fits really well for a God of Destruction. Destroy the potential menaces or what's required for the greater good while let live those things that has the potential to grow into something better 👌

That does makes sense..."he needs to have that ego he had prior to super" but that very thing he gave up to EVOLVE he's ego, now he needs to tap into it. He needs to forgive himself. In last.. like geekdom101 said..he needs to treat the "villains like that" using destruction on them. Had to watch the video twice to understand that point.

Goku bears no pressure to be the best, he makes it due to the circumstances and love he gets from the universe, whereas Vegeta is just following the path in the memory of his saiyan reign.

love this channel, great content dude!

I love that you said you wouldn’t get too much into Vegeta’s backstory, and then that’s like the whole video LOL! I love it. Vegeta is too good a character, this is the shortened version 😂

Amazing video i can tell you worked hard on this one thanks Geekdom.

Love how you referred to Vegeta as “the king”

"The reason he takes all the sins onto himself". I am sorry sir, but you immediately made me think of Vegeta as "Saiyan Jesus" with those words lmfao. Keep up the content, man!

Wow that was a phenomenol explanation man.👌

you deserve to be proud of this video, i’ve been watching you for the past few years and constantly watching these breakdown videos even tho i already fully understand it. it’s better to hear someone else talk about it that has way more knowledge than i, and UE was def a transformation i wanted to hear your opinion on. i felt good and bad things about the form, but it def does fit Vegeta perfectly. i really hope they make this form look way more viable in the future