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Goku: Trust that it's never too late to learn the error of your ways and strive to be better Vegeta: Prove yourself, learn from your wrongdoings or be shown the path of destruction they'll set you upon

I like how Goku called Ultra Ego freaky looking when this guy has Ssj3 lol.

I love how powers in anime not just dragonball translate to yin and yang(positive and negative) via philosoph, ideology and way of life. Always so fascinating to me. Btw top tier content. 👌

UI philosophy - your body moving freely UE philosophy - moving your body freely That’s why UE Vegeta says he’s limitless and takes damage head on. Now that I see these quotes I can see some of UE’s philosophy in UI, as your body moving freely sounds like it involves some sort of Ego

That part about Vegeta making people stronger is valid. Now imagine if Gohan sought out training from Vegeta as his master.. if anyone knows what Gohan is capable of its him.

Ultra instinct just looks so cool. Ultra ego is dope as well

This was freaking good and clarified so much. It also shows even till now Toriyama is still taking inspiration from what gave this series life. I'll be listening to this one twice.

I see Ultra Instinct/Ultra Ego like this: Goku & Vegeta must both 'lose themselves' in order to obtain the power/form/transformation (whatever you wanna call it). What do I mean by this? Goku: based on what Whis said about Goku's overconfidence and relaxed nature, it causes him to leave himself open for attack. While I don't fully agree with Whis' assessment of Goku, I will say we all know Goku is the guy who gets VERY excited at the prospect of a tough opponent. I think Goku needs to 'lose' that excitement in order to clear his mind/body/spirit basically a cleansing of sorts in order to obtain Ultra Instinct. Vegeta: Beerus told Vegeta to let go of the past sins of the Saiyans and EMBRACE who he was and the true nature of his race in order to properly utilize the powers of destruction. When we saw Vegeta's demeanor as he utilized Ultra Ego against Granola (probably spelt dude's name wrong), we saw the Vegeta of old; a savage warrior who lived for the thrill of the fight and taking hits in order to deliver even bigger ones to his opponent. Essentially, 'exploiting' his Saiyan biology of getting stronger the more he fights. Something of a 'godly Saiyan Zenkai' where his strength increases the more damage his body takes on during combat instead of needing to heal/recover first (really reminds me of Goku Black in the Future Trunks Arc...). All of the selfishness, pride and ego that Vegeta seemed to have cleansed himself of from the Saiyan Arc to the current arc of the DB Super manga needed to be brought back into his mind/body/spirit in order to obtain Ultra Ego. Overall, Goku must forget about who he is in order to use U.I. & Vegeta must remember who he was in order to use Ultra Ego. Hope that made sense :)

Ultra Instinct: let go so the body can flow Ultra Ego: let me go so I can go toe to toe

Having characters have a clash of ideas is what nearly every story does

I remember that during the universe tournament saga, speculations came out about two potential divergent forms of UI. The goku's one,more based on defence, the vegeta's more based on a fierce battle style. Here each one of us got served well at last.

Ultra Instinct & Ultra Ego are not the only yin & yang. Goku & Vegeta are yin & yang IN GENERAL.

It's topics like these that shows that beyond the surface level stuff people see in Dragon Ball, there's a lot more deeper meanings behind the series.

This jordan lee guy makes great points and articulates really well. As a long time regular viewer of your channel content involving this man tend to be some of the best videos

I do have to say, even though Super is no where near as influential or as well done as Z, it has done a great job at further developing Goku and Vegeta’s characters and nature. Which is kind of surprising when you think about it because if you’d watched up to the Buu saga, you might wonder “how can they further develop Goku and Vegeta from here?”, because both of them had pretty much reached the end of their character arcs, and it’s hard to imagine that they can go further from there. So props to Super for that.

Would love to see once they master the forms, what could become of Vegito/Gogeta and what they do with the combined knowledge and experience of these forms.

after seeing Ultra Ego, im thinking the God of Destruction role is more and more fitting for Frieza in the future.

I love that ultra instinct is like Bruce Lee's water analogy. And ultra ego is taking the darkness within you and controlling it to your advantage.

I actually really like this idea, it shows that everything is apart of something else and that there's no one right way of doing things. Thank you for explaining it to me, it does make me appreciate goku and vegeta's character more than ever. Not to sound like an ass but I never really thought dragon ball would ever go down such a thoughful route to power, at least when compared to other shows, just goes to show that dragon ball is a lot more profound if you actually bother to look beyond the screaming, well done guys!

The 'overhearing/eavesdropping' thing is SO fascinating. I hear all of the time about how Toriyama made stuff up on the fly during his initial run of the manga, but this detail in particular demonstrates that not everything was on the fly. It's so awesome to think now that he always intended and had some idea of Vegeta being Goku's yin.

The way geekdom interrupts his guests🤣🤣🤣 nah great video bro it's all love. Shoutout to jordan. Very solid points and well spoken.

I may be a dragon ball fan boy but ever since the first fight between Goku and Vegeta there has never been a rivalry/friendship that's captivated me the way theirs did. Sometimes it's subtle sometimes it's in your face but I feel that it is one of the best conflicts ever written about.

Ultra instinct= slip counter Ultra ego= let's trade blows and see who can last longer.

Nicely done boys. Old school “In Depth” at its finest.

This is an ongoing problem with me..I have both aspects of Vegeta and Goku in me but I lean more towards Vegeta..In my life I've been compassionate and merciless.. I'm naturally compassionate and warm hearted like Goku but when you take advantage of that part of me I turn to Vegeta...I can be very arrogant and humble...I guess it the Gemini 2 Faces in me😂

Goku with ultra instinct, that works for him because he's willing to put his trust in people(or his body) so MUI works for him. Vegeta with ultra ego, that works for him because he always had a hard time trusting anything but himself(especially in the cell arc) so ultra ego works for him because he can tap into himself(ego) gain tremendous power in get rewarded for it(unlike super saiyan were he trusted in himself, and android 18 kicked his butt). My final thoughts..goku has no problem "letting go" vs vegeta who "doesn't wanna let go". ultra ego works for him. Ultra instinct for goku.

This makes you wonder what could be in store for Gohan. Unlike Goku, he is an introspective scholar whom constantly analyzes. However, unlike Vegeta, his introspection is not designated towards ego. Also, let's look at the influences of the respective characters. Goku was trained by martial artists that developed instincts: Roshi, Korin, Kami, King Kai, now Whis. Vegeta was born a warrior via his royal lineage and his having to work with the tyrant, Frieza. Now, he is training with Beerus. All of Gohan's masters have been characters of deep enlightenment or gods of creation: Piccolo ( becomes wholesome, introspective, a part of Kami), Guru (potential awakened), Supreme Kai (god of creation), and Elder Kai (a supreme kai that unlocks his whole potential). This really makes you wonder what type of direction he could go....

One is about dodging and moving on instinct, while the other tanks damage and becomes stronger as the fight goes on.

As much as I love the dynamic that is being developed between Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego it also complicates the original idea that the GoDs are trying to master Ultra Instinct from their angels and that they cannot be fully realized as deities until they do. Ultra Ego appearing to represent the pure essence of a GoD and hakai energy and the idea that only Vegeta can really grasp its potential implies that the power of Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego can't simultaneously exist within the same body and mind. That would imply that Beerus and the other GoDs can't ever truly master the Ultra Instinct that the angels use and are supposedly training them to master which is a theme that has existed in Super since Resurrection F. The only way I can redeem this is if the angels are also training themselves to master the art of hakai energy that the GoDs they tend to have mastered, and the reason the Grand Priest is confirmed to be canonically one of the top 5 most powerful beings in the multiverse is because he has mastered the ideologies of both Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego within himself and can use both freely.

This was a really solid video explaining the differences between Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego.

I must say I've learned a lot from this video not about DRAGON BALL,but about the philosophy behind it.... TRULY a "Top Video"...Geekdom,best guest you had on here so far.

LMAO and y'all talked about my favorite Roshi clip, we don't practice martial arts to beat our opponent, we do it to conquer ourselves!!!

I’ve said this before but In the Kenichi manga. There’s Two types of Ki- Sei Ki which is basically Ultra Instinct all about skill and talent and stillness While Dou Ki is the more aggressive type of Ki it’s power up is basically like Ultra Ego it’s about Ki exciting the body.

The best breakdown I've ever heard of dragon ball's Vegeta and Goku entire ideology

Goku is merciful Vegeta is merciless Goku trains with others Vegeta trains by himself Goku trains with a free mind Vegeta trains with a closed mind Goku chases after himself Vegeta chases after Goku Goku gives villains chances Vegeta tries to kill villains on the spot

I highly enjoyed this video EXCEPT Geekdom’s constant interrupting and plugging his old videos

Will we see Vegeta and Goku finally begin fighting together in near perfect compatibility? This was part of their training they somewhat failed at.

Loved this video. Honestly felt like I was listening to my own inner dialog about this topic. Great take on it for sure. Thanks for the awesome video

Very interesting discussion on the philosophy. Also reminds me why I generally do not find eastern philosophies very appealing in a real world context. Also Toriyama himself operates on the instinct principle since he doesn't do a lot of planning and yet while it's not perfect, og Dragonball hangs together pretty well.

Love how geekdom brings this guy on who makes distinct and precise tie ins and geekdom immediately says, "I put this in MY previous videos." After every point practically, like shut up and let him talk lol

This was such an awesome video! Edits were really good as well! So happy to see Jordan in a video with you Danny! I love all of the points you guys made!

Gohan should get ultra Anger. You would think his training with elder Kai would have granted him god ki. Surely there is a next level for unlocked potential Gohan.

This video was so cool, the taoist tie ins had me rushing to write down so many quotes. The sheer depth you highlighted behind this anime was incredible

That’s why I’m hyped to ever see these two fuse and perhaps utilise both elements of ego and ui to make an ultimate power for vegito or gogeta ofc the fusion timer would be 1 second tho haha

Geekdom you have no idea how long I've been waiting for this video

Love this channel. Would watch it after school all the time now I'm getting back into Dragonball at 20, life is so fast

With this video, both techniques now are much more awesome and cool drawing inspiration of many philosopical and legends eastern lores in respect of Goku and Vegeta's characters.

@Jordan Lee was spittin so much fire, Geekdom had say "hol'd up hol'd up hol'd up" too much fire bro you stealing the shine

he discussed this concept to me before and it really makes sense about everything also man, my persona is shown at your vids and im extremely humbled about it XD

I can’t wait to see ultra ego in color it’s gonna look awesome

Great video! Hearing your explanation made the forms that much more cooler and interesting.💯

14:11 The giant Goku avatar who defeated Moro. But Vegeta's avatar is a dark Great Ape

Amazing video geekdom very in-depth . That’s why you’re channel is Much more bigger than just dragon ball. It’s life in general, the correlation between the two it’s seen here. Continue with these types of videos there are great. :)

This is actually interesting to hear, people can say what they want about super, but learning and listening to the info about these types of thing is what makes dragon ball interesting, this vid really peaked my interest, nice job to you and Jordan

This is such an awesome video, loved the discussion guys. 👏🏼🔥🙏🏼

Love this video, gave me a different perspective on the series and the future.

My mind is blown with all this knowledge. Awesome video.

I've been waiting for this! On my lunch break so I can enjoy it! The philosophy of battle:goku vs jiren was a good video.

Geekdom, this is probably my favorite video you have ever done! This is right up there with End of GT Explained! Great job Jordan and Geekdom. Hopefully we could make a End of Z Explained video too lol!

I just immediately think of Satsui no Hado (Surge of killing intent) for UE and Kyosui no Hado (Power of Nothingness) for UI

This is a fantastic video. One of the best.

Another great breakdown I love vids like this kind of AAM vibes with the explaining giving this a 👍

This was such a great video. You guys did a really good job on it.

This guy is good. Have him back. This yin and yang with Vegeta and goku two sides of the same coin is amazing

This was cool man. Glad you found this guy. Im gonna watch his shit now too

Love the philosophical stuff. I’ve learned the concepts of both forms. Very interesting.

Just Awesome Explanation Bro

Love the Beerus shirt, bough one for myself and a friend during its first run. Online store is awesome bro keep growing your brand!

Man, I fucking LOVE this video. Great job fellas!

Great Video Guys @Geekdom101 @Jordan Lee This was Very Deep Stuff And Talking in Depth About Eastern Philosophy and How it Ties to Dragonball!!! Wow!!!! Incredible Stuff!!!

Excellent breakdown that was a master piece you two.

Journey to the West has been on my reading list for some time. This video helped inspire to start it. 24 chapters in, 76 to go. Appreciate the encouragement Geekdom.

I personally didn't want this vid to end 20 outa 10 guys keep rockin please ✌

Great video guys one of your best bro bring Jordan back for another video

Thanks for letting Jordan speak on your channel Danny. Super thumbs up. We know that geekdom could of explained this as well but he let another person do it. ✊🏻

Bardock acted on the same instinct his son had which saved Goku & Vegeta in the future(when granolah hears the truth) the way Toyo connects to Toryiama ideas🔥🔥🔥

Please bring Jordan back on, his knowledge really makes this conversation go to a great place.

Keep up the good work geekdom.

Awesome video, loved it

Amazing video. Thanks guys!

Really good work guys! I always thought like @Dragonlee, i just never had the words and deep knowlegde to say it as cool and wrigth as he did. Keep up 💪

Love this guest speaker. Very knowledgeable

This was amazing the interpretation of. Vegeta was beautiful and I even had a better appreciation for Goku as well imma look up this book that is historic to see what it shows very interesting keep up the good work geekdom

Wow this was something else. It never came across my mind that these forms had such a holistic approach to them. I did, however have the idea that these forms are a personification of their beliefs in life. Top tier video.

I still love you breaking down all aspects of DB but I do miss your Super anime breakdowns. Keep doing your thing Geekdom

Another awesome video Danny !! please Keep it up 😃

ultra instinct: your body moving freely ultra ego: moving your body freely UI is your body moves on its own. and UE is do as you please.

Ultra Instinct is the selfish within the ultimate selflessness. Ultra Ego is the selflessness within the ultimate selfishness. Ultra Instinct is becoming so absent of self that your instincts are in full control i.e. you’re being moved by your deepest ego. Ultra Ego is becoming so given over to your instincts that that your ego transcends yourself i.e. you’re being moved by your most impersonal instincts.

Danny, do more videos with Jordan, bro! It was great vid!

14:55 Hold on Geekdom. Toyotaro deserves some credit too you know. He did make Ultra Ego.

So the question remains: How powerful would a hypothetical fusion between Goku and Vegeta be these days? Could they even still fuse, because they´re SO contrasting? OR would the fusion actually be EXTRAORDINARILY stable BECAUSE of the ying and yang?.... Interesting questions imo.....

Combining theese two philosophical ideas could be the ultimate egocentricual instinct of fighting

I´m so desperate to finally see the official colored Toyotarou design for Ultra Ego...... Can´t wait!

That pic of goku and vegeta in their own Susanoo looking thing is phenomenal

Love the video bro.

I enjoy your videos, decided to subscribe. good work ^^

My boy geekdom need some christmas money with all the content much love bro

This was really good I've learned quite a bit from this video 💯

Ones they master these forms i hope they truly becomes equals. Equals like if goku and vegeta fought without killing goku wins but if its a fight to the death vegeta wins so it shows the danger of both characters on two different ways of fighting. Goku shows he is a true martial artist while vegeta shows true ruthlessness. Thats the only way the can be equal make both technique be dangerous on their specific battles. For tournaments mui should flourish while a life and death battle UE should also flourish.